Is America Targeting Only the Muslim Community?

[Anonymous]

Oct. 31, 2017: Truck rams into cyclists, pedestrians in New York City
Sayfullo Saipov, 29, from Uzbekistan, allegedly drove a rented truck into a crowd of pedestrians and cyclists on a bike path near the World Trade Center in Manhattan while shouting Allah hu Akbar. The attack killed 8 people and injured at least 12 others.

US officials quickly labelled it as a Terrorist attack in which only 12 people were killed.

Attacker was identified as a MUSLIM.

A month ago, In Las Vegas a gun man named Stephen Paddock killed about 58 people and leaving 546 people injured by open fire from a hotel room. The number of people killed by Stephen Paddock is 5 times that of killed by Sayfullo Saipov. But in this case Attacker was identified as CHRISTIAN.

And up to this day, irrespective of the number of people killed, It isn't considered a TERRORIST attack.

Recently, (Yesterday) In Texas, At least 26 people were killed in Sunday's church shooting in Sutherland Springs, Texas. The suspect was identified as Devin Kelley. The number of people killed by Devin Kelley is almost twice as that of Sayfullo Saipov. Again, In this case the suspect was CHRISTIAN.

I'm not saying non Christian attacks aren't happening as ratio in my examples is 2:1. I chose these examples as they are the most recent.

After all these attacks on America, the question arises if America itself is discriminating against the Muslim community as each and every Muslim attack is labeled as TERRORISM and on the contrary, attacks by Christians with higher kills are labeled as just VIOLENCE.

My answer to this question is a big NO. The reasons for these labels is hidden in the definition of Terrorism itself.

The most common definition is: It is the use of violence or threat of violence in the pursuit of political aims, religious, or ideological change.

Definition by UN: The unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social OBJECTIVES.

One thing you can find common in all these definitions is terrorism should have Political or Religious Motives. All attacks by Christians were having personal motives. Stephen Paddock attacked on a crowd as a result of frustration. He lost his money in gambling and got frustrated.

All attacks by Muslims were for political or Religious motives. That makes Muslim attacks terrorism and these Christian attacks as violence.

[lyannamormont]

You cannot say "All attacks by Christians..." rather recent attacks by Christians. Especially when we know that, for example:

1) South Carolina church shooter Dylan Roof Storm had a racial agenda with a complete manifesto, and he was labeled as "domestic terrorist", and he was white Christian.

2) Timothy McVeigh was a domestic terrorist because his political manifesto was against the then-foreign politics of the US, and some other reasons.

3) Charlottesville violence was a terroristic act because it had a white supremacist agenda. Racial tensions or ethnic tensions are always political.

4) Robert Dear's acts against Planned Parenthood in Colorado is also terror acts because it stems from "prolife" "no abortion" doctrine of the religion, as well as political agenda of right wing extremists to limit people's freedom and life choices.

You also cannot say all Muslim attacks are political and religious.

On this link:
www.independent.co.uk/.../...s-study-a7805831.html

I have read in this article that between 2008-2016, 63 radical Islamic terror acts happened in the US; while it was 115 for white supremacists.

Also, in this article:
reason.com/.../do-muslims-commit-most-us-terrorist-atta

Georgia State University's study about 89 terrorism related attacks in the recent five years quotes that:

"For those five years, the researchers found, Muslims carried out only 11 out of the 89 attacks, yet those attacks received 44 percent of the media coverage. (Meanwhile, 18 attacks actually targeted Muslims in America. The Boston marathon bombing generated 474 news reports, amounting to 20 percent of the media terrorism coverage during the period analyzed. Overall, the authors report, "The average attack with a Muslim perpetrator is covered in 90.8 articles. Attacks with a Muslim, foreign-born perpetrator are covered in 192.8 articles on average. Compare this with other attacks, which received an average of 18.1 articles."

The article also states that several non-Muslim attacks had received white attention as well. However, media reporting is still badly skewed towards Muslims.

There are also Muslim attacks stemming from violence without any kind of religious motives, which I won't be giving examples due to character limit.

(To be continued)

[lyannamormont]

My two cents is that whether a person identifies himself or herself as Christian or Muslim or Jewish, if the person is violent his or her religion and agenda will be violent.

Note that i have read several more articles, personal reflections and scientific studies regarding attacks in Europe as well. They also had similar findings.

I think the reason for this general outcry is obviously the media reporting, and the need for us to label others with something we do not like and divide the nation.

It is kind of sad that we tend to rationalize for a longer period of time when it is a non-Muslim perpetrator and looking for various mental reasons behind the terrorist attacks. While the first thing we do when we hear an Arabic related name and a face with beard on the screen is to immediately label him as terrorist without much further need to see if there is no political reason behind it.

[lyannamormont]

(LASTLY)

Another sad thing is to blame 1.5 billion Muslims around the world, a handful of whom I know in person that very modern and peaceful and working at big tech companies or doing their PhDs and other higher education, and they work for the betterment of the society. Yet, we box them into one category on the media acting like because of 5% mentally retarded extremists' actions all other 95% is to be blamed.

We think that Muslims don't do anything to stop these 5% nutjobs, but actually I have seen reports (not being able to find the links right now) stating that most police reports regarding Islamic terror attacks in the US came from Muslims.

I am sure you would not be happy if you were categorized as "white supremacists" terrorist as with all other whites after Dylan Roof Storm's actions. Imagine how you would feel if you were put in this category when you in fact an ordinary person minding your own business.

[Izumiblu]

Very well put together. Battling nonsense with facts.

[lyannamormont]

@Izumiblu Thanks but I am not sure why the take owner downvoted me, which kinda makes me laugh. Clearly we cannot argue even though I did not attack, neither did I say something hurtful.

[Izumiblu]

You know as well as I do he is interested in pushing forward and agenda that can't afford to be bogged down with reality.

[Nanaki000]

@lyannamormont This is awesome! :)

[myTake Owner]

@lynnamormont I wasn't me who down voted you. If you look at your answer, you'll find +1 right at its start. That means I've upvoted you. I couldn't read all of it before so as a sign of appreciation I just upvoted it. Also there are different types of view point. What you wrote, I couldn't think of it before. I'm thankful for your opinion and explaining your opinion.
PS: down vote you see isn't mine I don't know who did that

[myTake Owner]

@Izumiblu Thanks for your great judgment.

[lyannamormont]

@Political_dude

Huh? Dude, my bad, I just noticed it is someone else, who downvoted. I thought it was you, and I was thinking "I did not even say anything bad, I was trying to argue with him in a constructive way, why the fuck did he downvote and not even write a reason so i can learn from him"

I mean you really don't need to upvote, but if someone downvotes, i don't know why i expect to hear their opposing views. lol

[Izumiblu]

Agreed, my comments were really directed towards the person that down voted. If that wasn't you then my apologies.

[myTake Owner]

I do wishi to argue but problem is argument is fun when simultaneous replies are there. We live in different time zones, in my country it's 1Am so I'm way too tired to argue with you 😅

Anyways no body can dare to argue with lady Lyanna of house Mormont 😅

[madhatters4]

i agree that we seem to emphasize and as a society seem to ask for drastic changes in legislation or label Muslims in a certain way after terrorist attacks compared to attacks of non-muslims. it is unfair and pretty discriminatory. we shouldn't downplay the events in NYC but it is a fair enough point to ask why our president calls for the death penalty of a person who kills 12 people but says nothing of the sort a person who killed a person in Charlottesville

but in labeling it as terrorist attacks i think that the media and society is correct. Las Vegas and this most recent attack in Texas were not terrorist attacks. they were crimes of passion (in the sense that they were based purely on the emotional state of a person) rather than crimes with any political which constitutes a terrorist attack.

[madhatters4]

thanks for MHO

[DonkeyRick69]

Islamic terrorists committ acts of terror in the name of Islam, Mohamed and Allah hence why they are called Islamic terrorists because they do it in the name of religion.
To date there has been little to no acts of terrorism committed in the name of Christianity. But the mass shootings you mention are obviously targeted at Christians. The Texas church killer was a militant atheist. Here in Europe we are having a serious problem with Islamic terrorism, in fact a few months ago a man came from Libyia and blew up an Adrianna Grande concert full of kids which if we had a version of Trump's ban could have been prevented.
We are also having a problem with rape by Muslim men which is disproportionate to demographics. Also acid attacks on women are rising too as are honour killings. This is in a country with so many different religions races and ethnicities yet Muslims are always a problem.

[btbc92]

These people aren't Christian by standard. It is just a label they have of themselves. And it makes others who are indeed Christian look bad. Now the world thinks every Christian or the premise of being a believer in God is corruption; which is the tactics of the Devil at it's best.

However, with Muslim religion in general, it is quite militant and radicalized with the idea of 'god' and Muhamed. This whole thing is more than something not psychologically correct in their heads, or just them being demon possessed. Current news just disclosed that this guy did attend that Christian Church, was in jail and charged with assaulting his ex-wife and child. Was in the military at that time before that happened, in a facility, so-called escaped at 2012. Somebody knew something. And when your not prayed up and doing what you have to do as Christians, this is what happens also. And it's sad. Both accounts to multiple losses of life. I look at the individuals. Not whose Christian or Muslim. These are people who take things from scripture or Koran, or whatever they got those ideas from and twist things around. And it's bad enough some Athiest do the same thing, besides some of the preachers in certain churches. But you are right though. That they are targeting monotheistic believers. Mostly Christian. It's just that those who profess as Muslim are getting headline news because who are considered as that, are making it known what they are about. Smart people and Christians know's better. Just like some people and Muslims also know's better.

[FakeName123]

It's about relations. When a demographic is a minority, yet is high up the statistical likelihood of certain violent crimes - then something is going fundamentally wrong.

There are 75 times more christians than muslims. There are more than 15 times whites than middle easterners. Are there 75 times more christian terror-attacks than there are muslim terror attacks? Are there even 15 times more terror attacks by whites than there are by middle-easterners?

You have to understand that there are reasons why nations have borders. Why in the past castles had walls. Because even if there are thousands of friendly people coming in - there will ALWAYS be violent people coming along the way. Even moreso when it's from a religion that is religiously and culturally fairly quite a lot more violent than our own.

Does that mean all muslims and/or middle-easterners are ticking time-bombs? No. But their cultural and religious background (which is a whole different topic altogether) provides a way bigger breeding ground for extremists than our own. The reasons for that are complex, but the complexity of that doesn't negate the truth to it.

[jacquesvol]

en.wikipedia.org/.../Oklahoma_City_bombing
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dylann_Roof#Motivation
en.wikipedia.org/.../List_of_United_States_presidential_assassination_attempts_and_plots
en.wikipedia.org/.../List_of_assassinated_American_politicians
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence
As long as Muslims aren't named, it's never considered terrorism.
Never.

[zagor]

Actually Tim McVeigh's act was considered domestic terrorism. So you are WRONG.

[DonkeyRick69]

@zagor yeah just look at the recent atheist terror attack on Christians in that church in Texas.

[jacquesvol]

@DonkeyRick69 Cernovich and Alex Jones ao extremists call it that. They're yelling without proof.

[DonkeyRick69]

Texas church shooter Devin Kelley was a “creepy” atheist “outcast” who never fit in and berated religious believers on social media, according to former friends and classmates.
“He was always talking about how people who believe in God we’re stupid and trying to preach his atheism,” wrote former classmate Nina Rose Nava in a Facebook post, according to the Daily Mail. “I legit just deleted him off my fb cause I couldn’t stand his post.”

[jacquesvol]

@DonkeyRick69 "... wrote former classmate Nina Rose Nava in a Facebook post, according to the Daily Mail..."
An unknown former classmate, Facebook and last but not least , the Daily Mail, a British gutter tabloid. Great sources. As good as any conspiracy site.

[DonkeyRick69]

You sound like trump "fake news" lol

[jacquesvol]

@DonkeyRick69 Comparing me to TRump is a serious insult. Trump you self!

[DonkeyRick69]

Lol they you practically said his "fake news" catchprase. In britain when a paper reports something thats untrue as fact it has to retract it.

[jacquesvol]

@DonkeyRick69 The Daily Mail only retracted a story when it accused Melania Knaus of prostitution and got a lawyer's office and an enormous claim over it's head.

[jacquesvol]

@DonkeyRick69 One former classmate, who couldn't stand him and on Facebook. Not much proof.

[Water_Bottle]

Yes. ( www.politifact.com/.../ )

Yes America is targeting foreigners and specifically Islamic terrorists.

You want to know the largest Terrorist issues today? The riots in Charleston. There is enough hate speech and enough violence erupted to cause even the President to stutter. You have to think about this; you want to talk about political dissent you have literally people who are more than willing to kick all of the non-white individuals out of the country.

The number of actual terrorist attacks that take lives and are underreported or just not reported at all are extremely high meanwhile of course there's media focus on a man who kills a few people but happened to be Islamic.

How do you control people? You corral them around an ideal and the ideal that white people are superior and everyone else is a problem, Hitler's ideal, since I can go ahead and Godwin for the win, isn't unpopular. Virginia isn't something new and yet it is something that people sort of shirk off looking at mass killings instead for entertainment.

If the death count is high enough or the person is the right color it'll be in your newspaper guaranteed.

[BrittBratt2416]

Of course it is, Muslims and brown people are the enemy in this Country cause America is racist. Once again, another shooting done by a white guy and what excuse did Donald trump and other people give this man? Mental Illness. The same thing was said about las vegas shooters. White men can't be terrorist in this country, they can only be mentally ill but everyone else, if you're Muslim or brown you're a terrorist/threat to society. I made a post about this topic and every white guy came running to my post with their capes on for the las vegas shooter before Gag took my post down cause they know it's true.

[BrittBratt2416]

Also is it said they were even Christian or are you assuming they were?

[myTake Owner]

Can you send me its link? I'd love to read it
PS. I'm not white

[BrittBratt2416]

link to what?

[myTake Owner]

link to your post

[BrittBratt2416]

yeah, i said gag took my post down.

[BrittBratt2416]

honestly my post was a response to a guy who made a post basically saying that we don't need to worry about mass shooter who are white men and that we the main focus should be Muslims. Of course this upset me cause America already lets us know about radical Islamist, they beat us over the head with it so we already know. The point that he was trying to deflect attention from Los Vegas shooter, we're not talking about radical islamist right now we're talking about these shooting that are getting out of control right now but it seems whenever someone is white and happens to be man, they don't want to talk about it cause it puts them in a negative spotlight. I even showed a chart that showed how many mass shooting are done and majority were white and that America refuses to acknowledge domestic terrorism in this country. The only time they want talk about terrorism is when it's tied to brown people and Islam.

[BrittBratt2416]

O course everyone who came running to my post came to tell me i didn't know what terrorism is and was just be intellectual dishonest. I know what terrorism is, but the pattern we constantly see in America is brown/muslim person harms someone: automatic terrorism. A White man shoots up a crowd a people: gets automatic sympathy, assumed mentally ill, is often excused and people/media try to look into their past to see if anything traumatic to place when he was younger that could have set him off. When they don't find anything, everyone is puzzled and shocked. Black people? Tries to find a criminal record, doesn't post pictures of them looking happy, friendly, or with family but gets the most homely looking picture plastered everywhere across social media. This is what America does and people don't see or often denies it.

[TheSpartan]

Why are you conflating "white people" with "Christians"?

[BrittBratt2416]

@TheSpartan do you mean me or someone else?

[TheSpartan]

I’m talking to you

[BrittBratt2416]

@TheSpartan Why did you assume that I only conflate white people with Christianity? I mean Christian as a whole considering anybody can be Christian. I'm black and a Christian so.. what are you getting at here?

[TheSpartan]

I misread your comment, but you’re also using the words “Muslim” and “White” as opposites, when we both know there’s hundreds of millions of White Muslims (including the Uzbeki trick terrorist).

[TheSpartan]

Truck*

[BrittBratt2416]

@TheSpartan you're assuming again that I think only Muslims are brown or middle eastern people

[TheSpartan]

Then why use the terms “White” and “Muslim” as opposites?

[macix670]

I know that you're dying to label American Christian shooters as terrorists but it's just not the case. Stop being dishonest. Officials still don't know the motive behind the Sutherlands shooting or the Las Vegas shooting and we can't just label them as terrorists to be politically correct.

Whereas, the truck ramming in New York was clearly a terrorist attack because the guy had a religious motive. He is an Islamic terrorist.

Should we throw out all reasoning and logic to be politically correct?

[blondfrog]

He actually didn't. You clearly didn't read his whole mytake. He said those Christian attacks werne't terrorist attacks.

[myTake Owner]

Whoaaaaa. Thanks for your Great opinion. I guess you haven't read even 50% of take and then you're replying.
Should we throw out all reasoning and logic to earn 5 xpers?

[macix670]

You're right. I didn't read the entire article and jumped to my own conclusions. It was a knee jerk reaction but I agree with your take now.

[DaniaMQ]

Oh cmoooon. Are we trying to justify what the jerks did? We all know that terrorism is when some person or a group goes and kills innocent people like crazy. For whatever reason it is. All the people you mentioned are terrorists. No one goes and kills 58 people coz he's "frustrated". That's just some lame excuse. All terrorists are mentally sick people. I don't care what reason they had behind it coz it doesn't matter. They are still terrorists.

It's obvious that Muslims are "enemies" in America (and other countries like France also).

When the terrorist attack in LA happened, first thing they tried to do was link it to Muslims. Once that failed, what excuse they gave the guy? That he's mentally ill. -_-
So white people can't be terrorists. At all. That's just Muslims, and like @BrittBratt2416 said, black people also.

I'm happy to see some comments here from people that actually also understand what's going on.

[Berethor]

Did the "christian" yelled 'deus vult' while he killed all those people? I don't think so. Basically in islamic killers actually tend to do it in the name of their religion.

www.thereligionofpeace.com/.../...me-of-allah.aspx

www.thereligionofpeace.com/.../jesus-muhammad.aspx

[front2back]

Sure in Europe Muslims are destroying things left and right like every other week but because it doesn't happen as much in the United States (due to their much lower Muslim population), obviously we no longer can criticize the very real threat of Islam and it's DUH CHRISTIANZ (even though there isn't ever any evidence they're Christian, like the Vegas and Church shooter) that are the real problem.

[myTake Owner]

Oh boy. Did you just speak ultimate truth? Cause I can't face it

[DonkeyRick69]

Maybe the reason Islamic terror is so much lower in the US compared to Europe because they have a travel ban on terror States and only let in highly educated middle easterns.

[front2back]

@DonkeyRick69 Whoa now, don't you start speaking logic. Obviously if we start importing boatloads of Muslim 18-40 year old children male *women & children* "doctors" our countries will improve dramatically.

[DonkeyRick69]

Educated people yeah rather than doing what Europe has for the last 30 years of taking in millions of uneducated middle easterns and bunging them into giant poverty stricken ghettos which breeds radicalized islsmist 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants that hate their country and want to turn it into a version of the country their parents fled.

[zagor]

Whoa, dude, who says either the Las Vegas shooter or the latest Texas shooter were Christians? Just because they were white, native-born Americans you are assuming their religious affiliation? Have you seen any statement attributed to them, or any record of church attendance or anything of the sort that has been identified with one or both of these individuals?

The guy in NY was identified as Muslim because he said that is why he carried out the attack.

[myTake Owner]

Apologies! Tho christian word isn't appropriate, we still replace it with 'Non-Muslim'

[HamAndCheese]

Paddock has no disclosed motive, furthermore being religious doesn't necessarily mean you did it because of your religion. As for the guy from Texas, where did you hear he was a Christian? The guy in New York was an avowed member of ISIS an Islamic terrorist organization. That's a far more direct connection.

[myTake Owner]

Apologies! Tho christian word isn't appropriate, we still replace it with 'Non-Muslim'

[HamAndCheese]

Well until you know the motive then you really can't make the determination. All signs show that Paddock unpredictably snapped and didn't really have any major personal issues or particularly strong political convictions. As for the Church shooter, information is still coming in so... it's difficult to say.

[myTake Owner]

Alright. by the way I think I wrote sane things in take. You were supposed to know that unless you're commenting just after reading the title.
We've found the motive.
Man from Texas was a psycho path ex military ( just google it)
And man from Last Vegas had family issues and lost money in gable that day. He was frustrated

[HamAndCheese]

I haven't found anything saying the Texas shooter was mentally ill. I know he was dishonorably discharged from the military. As for Paddock, there were reports like that but those are disputed, plus he was used to moving large amounts of money gambling. He did it regularly.

[myTake Owner]

The first sentence, it was found yesterday (a day after I wrote this take) so it isn't included three

[COCOCHANEL]

i don't know why you are trying to downplay it by saying ”ONLY 12 were killed” it'

[myTake Owner]

When it comes to comparisn, 58 is far bigger than 12 so I used only

[Berethor]

@Politicial_dude and how many people, muslims was able to kill in 9/11?

[martyfellow]

Both these Christain killers are dead, so we can’t possibly know their motives. Apparently the Texas one didn’t like religion.. apparently, the Las Vegas one didn’t like the type of music, so one could say their motives were at least partly religious or political.

[TripleAce]

I just think you don't fully understand what is categorized under terrorism and what isn't

The answer is clear and you already stated the definition of terrorism... what's confusing?
The one that ran into bikers was clearly a terrorist based on his connections to ISIS and murdering based on religious hate

The Las Vegas, yes killed more, but doesn't exhibit any of those aspects... so it's a violent crime but terrorism...

simple lol

[NerdInDenial]

Islam is not a race. I do not understand why a religion has become a race. Just stating this because several people state America is racist for "targeting" Islam. Technically, it's war. Several sects have declared Jihad on the West.

[myTake Owner]

I don't think anywhere in this take I've mentioned Islam is a race. It is a community and religion. You can refer to title itself

[NerdInDenial]

The comment is not towards you; it's just a common trend that I'm observing.

[myTake Owner]

OK! .

[genericname85]

America has one of the highest violent crimes per capita and one of the highest weapon counts per capita thats naturally not a good combination with pretty loose
gun laws... However I think you understand the difference between a religiously motivated terrorists attack and some but case loosing their shit right?

Why would a Christian attack a Christian society? It makes no sense. Besides there's no Christian terrorist organization so there can't be Christian terrorist attacks.

[blondfrog]

I disagree with you. That Devon Kelley guy was threatening people and was a Christian using violence and threats to kill those 26 people. He was a terrorist. By that logic terrorist kill their own people all the time and when they do are still labeled as terrorists. A terrorist is anybody who using violence to get what they want.

[Chris0012]

Islamic terrorists align themselves to foreign powers and hate preachers. These powers and hate preachers are following a terrorist agenda.

The mass shootings are the work of deranged individuls. The same result, but not part of a wider terrorist agenda.

[RolandCuthbert]

I just want to correct you. No one knows why Steven Paddock did what he did. And I don't think we ever will know what was going through that guy's head.