And why this is bullshit: 1. Cat-calling will always be a thing since its expected for men to reach out and approach women, whike they are supposed to be passive (discrimination against men, but who cares). Some guys simply don't know a better way to get a girls attention, so they do this. You fix this either by making women approach as much as men (impossible), or by raising young boys in a better manner. 2. While I do not support rape, those points are legit. I don't support murder either, but if you wear a gold chain and an expensive iPhone and flash them around in the ghetto, chances are you are gonna get stabbed and robbed. It doesn't make killing ok, it just admits the fact killing exists, always has and always will. Sad but true. Same for rape. 3. Women are awful leaders. Its not natural for a woman to be a leader. There are a few exceptions, but generally just no. Just like kindergarten teachers are usually women, because we suck at handling small children. We aren't warm and nurturing, and women aren't tough, logical soldiers. Gender roles are natural 4. Sexual harassment stops, just like the first point, with raising gentlemen and men with manners. Same goes for those catcallers. You will never see a decent, educated man do this shit. Im talking about real harassment, because feminism fucked up society in many ways, and one of them is calling any interaction between men and women "harassment". 5. Yet another point achieved by education. This is present at more rural environments. And while I don't support it, after all, everything about the fetus is entirely parent's decision. We need to raise awareness, but also not poke our noses in somebody's personal shit. Abortion is everybody's right. Some use it for bad reasons, well guess what? The world isn't a wonderful place. People are assholes. Get used to it
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*clears throat* *Fixes bow tie* first of all, not just women get "cat called" yes it is much more common for it to happen to women, but it does not just happen to them! Every 6-10 women get cat called, but every 4-10 men get cat called by women! That's only a 2 person difference! Next, it's not just women, in fact I'd say men have it WORSE when it comes to rape, why? Well so many people are focusing on stopping women rape, half of them don't even realize men are ALSO getting raped! I have YET to see a sign agenst men rape! Next, I really can't say anything about, that is the only one that is technicly right, so +1 point for that I guess... After that, workplace harassment, even if lightly is still a big issue, if it's happening to ANYONE, they need to got strait to the boss, if they do nothing, then go to the board director next! If still nothing is done, don't hesitate to go to the police If You have to! Even if it's not serious, they will understand your paranoia, and will 100% do something about it Lastly, sex selective abortion, failed to say the most important thing: "just because more girls are getting aborted, does not mean men are not getting aborted as well" I think that quote is all I need to prove my point!
And if you don't believe me, look no further then directly at me. I was raped at 7 by a girl no less, and the only one who seemed to care was my sister, who comforted me through the several months of night terrors that followed my return home.
I agree and disagree with the MyTake in the same time One side i agree we need it, but i don't think it needs to be feminism, honestly i don't get why they do call it like that, when some of it is said to go beyond just females Is it not suppose to change to Equalizer or something like that now? I mean if what we want know if equal to all, why is it yet feminizem is something i never really got, if we are not fighting for woman rights beyond others just to get the ground fair and beside that, i wonder if we keep femazim going too long, if we not need a malizem in some years to get them to equal rights to females, and so on
Ooooh shit here we go. Why dont the non-men hating feminists stop calling it feminism? The name has different ties now, so why not say "egalitarian" for equality of both parties? Why do people INSIST on a name that is already destroyed/infamous? After all, the ideas & concept is what's important, not the title or high ego.
If you want to preach equality, use a different word now.
Are you talking about "feminist"? Because thats what im saying. doesn't answer why they dont stop with it, thats all the more reason to. Unless you mean "egalitarian", which is untrue for places i know. No one really uses egalitarian. Merely was an example anyway, as long as "feminist" isn't the word, it's fine.
If we back down in the face of the lies and slander of sexist they will just be embolden and do the same thing to what ever we we identify as. If we just use the most general terms it makes it easy for sexist to claim they do support equality. And please stop giving credence to that bullshit "Man hating" label pushed by sexist like Rush Lumbar!
Feminism does have its warrants but the way they do it, especially in attempt to belittle and how easily it is hijacked just makes Feminism as a whole so unlikable. To some people, the way they are represented from their own 'group' literally overlooked all the 'good' they done and only seem them as an atrocity. But yes, valid points you made there, but I think the bigger concern isn't whether we 'need' feminism or not. Feminism will always stay much to the annoyance and joy of people. What matters is how Feminism can conduct itself to accomplish their goals without self-sabotaging every three or so seconds.
First of all, hats off for this take. It takes a lot of courage to do so.
One little point though, in #3 if it is simply because less women take part in it then there is nothing to be mad about it. However if it is because of social pressure or work discrimination then it is an issue.
And you forgot female education. And trafficking. Both are major issues as well.
We'll always want more despite already having everything. We'll always clamor for equality despite clearly having and pushing our advantages. We still complain that "it's not fair game" but we've been abusing the "equality card" we've been playing for so long. I sincerely apologize to the guys. I'm sorry that we're going too far!
Wow! I never thought I'd hear someone with enough sense from other side admit going too far! Thank you for having an open and fair mind. You clearly have a different, unselfish heart. Thanks again.
Equal rights are certainly needed, especially outside the Western world.
But honestly, when the media is full of female journalists writing hate-filled propaganda against men, I'm not okay with that. I'm not okay with being a poor dude working a minimum-wage job, and some entitled bitch who has a degree and a job at a newspaper and is in her early twenties is telling me that I am a privileged abusive POS. Just not okay.
And I am sick and tired of their lack of scientific rigor. So much of what they say is just BS. Total BS. Made-up BS.
It's an ideology promoted by a special-interests movement. I have about as much respect for it as I have for the MRA dudes on Reddit.
Feminism is cancer. It's set women back a lot more than it's ever lifted them up. No one needs feminism. Not the Muslim women in the middle east suffering under the oppressive heel of Islamic regimes, not women in the west or the US who have it better than any women have ever had it in history, and not the women in the Congo where rape is a tool of war. They can all do without feminism. Human rights has always been and will always be a superior cause to feminism and it is also directly contradictory to feminism, as it should be. As all things should be. Feminism is cancer.
1. Yes catcalling is demeaning and shouldn't be done, but what can we do about it? Surely not some draconian, freedom inhibiting policies as some feminists propose, right? 2. This is freedom of speech and shouldn't be infringed upon. 3. Women have every opportunity to get into leadership roles, they just choose not to go that path. Stop advocating the forcing of people to do what they don't want to. 4. Saying 'hi' to a female coworker is sexual harassment these days. Don't count on those statistics. 5. Abortion at the stage of pregnancy when you can determine the gender of the child shouldn't even be a thing.
i mean there's always going to be problems, but i think for the most part we're pretty set and on equal ground. in regards to cat calling and being blamed for being raped, hell i even got followed home a little while back after being cat called so now i'm antsy as fuck to walk even in the daylight to work, let alone the dark. for rape most don't blame the raped person though yeah, there's fucked cases. as for leadership roles, i don't know, it's mostly male dominated lines of work where the women aren't common, since they tend to chose others. i don't think just because there's still issues it means it's still in itself an issue. regardless we should all be game for equality, for both genders. feminazis i agree aren't supporting this, they're big ole cuntzillas
Try sending out two identical resumes for leadership positions, one with a man's name and one with a woman's name. I guarantee you the first one will get far more call backs. Most sexist men have wizened up enough to hide it well in front of women, but often let their guard down around other guys. If you heard half of the kind of crap I hear at work you would wizen up real quick. The same applys to the racist crap I hear.
see that's not called feminism, it's called the most basic of natural law rights, the right not to be mutilated against one's will is not a woman's right, it's a human right
like FUCKING DUH lol it's so obvious, who gives a shit about walking around braless when little girls are being cut down there? It's fucking brutal too, different degrees exist but the most common form of clittorectamy removes the entire organ! It is extremely painful and I've seen it on video, the kid is screaming like I've never heard... utterly horrifying. Fuck these feminists straight to hell they don't give a damn about the little girls, conservatives and religious folk generally do
What about infants who have their penises mutilated in those same countries and in the US (and Australia, and in many other countries (far more then women who get circumcised)? Or the boys who are murdered because they got their hair cut in a western style? Or the boys who got burned alive because they attended a western school while all the girls where let go? Those countries don't need feminism, they need removal of corruption and industrialization.
Stacking the courts against women's reproductive rights is not a minor issue. One political party almost devoid of any women in power is not a minor issue.
All good points aside from the last one, in my opinion. If a person would prefer to have a son (especially for their firstborn, which is often where sex-selective abortion takes place) it's pretty anti-feminist to say that person shouldn't have a choice whether they want to abort the child, or not.
"Cat Calling Is Still A Thing" Have never done it and cannot do anything unless I actually hear , which i have never. "Blaming Women For Is Still Common" The points tend to be that women should still take care for their safety, such as drinking normal amounts of alcohol to stay in control of themselves and their safety, again, for their own sake. "Lack of women in leadership roles" I don't see how this is important. Leaders are chosen because they can Lead, not because they are men or women. That's why Clinton had a good chance at winning, because enough people liked her ideas, and interestingly enough because she's a woman. No Trump supporter than I know supported him for the simple fact that he is a he.
"Sexual Harassment At Workplace is Still Common" This is true and women need to take a stronger stance against real harassment.
"Sex-Selective Abortion Is In Favour Of Men" Women are the ones in control of the abortion, thus, it's sexism from women towards women.
Sexual harassment is actually at an all time low regardless of what Hollywood will have you believe and what constitutes as sexual harassment has been pushed by new ridiculous boundaries.
While I'm not a fan of catcalling people need to get over it. Douchebags are going to be douchebags.
There is no excuse for rape. Regardless of how slutty she is, rape is not acceptable.
More women are in positions of power then ever before, all around the world.
Yikes, this is a really touchy subject. I myself am not a feminist. 1st and 2nd wave were needed, and I am thankful for those ladies. However, now? It is not needed in the west. Those points you made in the article are so minor meanwhile woman are being slaughtered for driving in the middle-east.
Chose your battles wisely, because these "problems" in the west pale in comparison to the atrocities happening elsewhere.
Do you also believe LGBT rights are a done deal here just because no one is throwing us off buildings any more? Reproductive rights are under more of a threat than ever before!
"Sex-selective abortion is the practice of aborting the unborn infant because of its sex. It takes place if one of the genders has more advantage over the other."
If abortion is a good thing and women's right, why does it matter which sex they abort more? It's women's choice. Unless you secretly think abortion is murder and you just want to balance the homicide.
#5: Not true. Most states restrict to 14 weeks, though some go to 24. Average time is between 12-13, so most are done within that window. Medical risks of abortion skyrocket after 14, hince why the ban in most states.
You learn gender normally between 16-20 weeks.
Sooo, no, gender selective abortions are not really a thing. In most states, that would be illegal. On average, the numbers just don't support that.
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And why this is bullshit:
1. Cat-calling will always be a thing since its expected for men to reach out and approach women, whike they are supposed to be passive (discrimination against men, but who cares). Some guys simply don't know a better way to get a girls attention, so they do this. You fix this either by making women approach as much as men (impossible), or by raising young boys in a better manner.
2. While I do not support rape, those points are legit. I don't support murder either, but if you wear a gold chain and an expensive iPhone and flash them around in the ghetto, chances are you are gonna get stabbed and robbed. It doesn't make killing ok, it just admits the fact killing exists, always has and always will. Sad but true. Same for rape.
3. Women are awful leaders. Its not natural for a woman to be a leader. There are a few exceptions, but generally just no. Just like kindergarten teachers are usually women, because we suck at handling small children. We aren't warm and nurturing, and women aren't tough, logical soldiers. Gender roles are natural
4. Sexual harassment stops, just like the first point, with raising gentlemen and men with manners. Same goes for those catcallers. You will never see a decent, educated man do this shit. Im talking about real harassment, because feminism fucked up society in many ways, and one of them is calling any interaction between men and women "harassment".
5. Yet another point achieved by education. This is present at more rural environments. And while I don't support it, after all, everything about the fetus is entirely parent's decision. We need to raise awareness, but also not poke our noses in somebody's personal shit. Abortion is everybody's right. Some use it for bad reasons, well guess what? The world isn't a wonderful place. People are assholes. Get used to it
*clears throat* *Fixes bow tie* first of all, not just women get "cat called" yes it is much more common for it to happen to women, but it does not just happen to them! Every 6-10 women get cat called, but every 4-10 men get cat called by women! That's only a 2 person difference!
Next, it's not just women, in fact I'd say men have it WORSE when it comes to rape, why? Well so many people are focusing on stopping women rape, half of them don't even realize men are ALSO getting raped! I have YET to see a sign agenst men rape!
Next, I really can't say anything about, that is the only one that is technicly right, so +1 point for that I guess...
After that, workplace harassment, even if lightly is still a big issue, if it's happening to ANYONE, they need to got strait to the boss, if they do nothing, then go to the board director next! If still nothing is done, don't hesitate to go to the police If You have to! Even if it's not serious, they will understand your paranoia, and will 100% do something about it
Lastly, sex selective abortion, failed to say the most important thing: "just because more girls are getting aborted, does not mean men are not getting aborted as well" I think that quote is all I need to prove my point!
And if you don't believe me, look no further then directly at me. I was raped at 7 by a girl no less, and the only one who seemed to care was my sister, who comforted me through the several months of night terrors that followed my return home.
I agree and disagree with the MyTake in the same time
One side i agree we need it, but i don't think it needs to be feminism, honestly i don't get why they do call it like that, when some of it is said to go beyond just females
Is it not suppose to change to Equalizer or something like that now?
I mean if what we want know if equal to all, why is it yet feminizem is something i never really got, if we are not fighting for woman rights beyond others just to get the ground fair
and beside that, i wonder if we keep femazim going too long, if we not need a malizem in some years to get them to equal rights to females, and so on
Thanks for sharing your opinion and upvote. It is nice to see a opinion actually explaining disagreement instead of cussing to OP and moving on
Well I don't think i seen many bad replys here so far, most seem to be working for a real discussion or simple agreement
Because most comments are removed
Really? O. o
GaGers love feminism lol
Ooooh shit here we go.
Why dont the non-men hating feminists stop calling it feminism?
The name has different ties now, so why not say "egalitarian" for equality of both parties?
Why do people INSIST on a name that is already destroyed/infamous?
After all, the ideas & concept is what's important, not the title or high ego.
If you want to preach equality, use a different word now.
Simple: that name is infamous in West for being overrated and supremacy and infamous in East because it demands change
Are you talking about "feminist"? Because thats what im saying. doesn't answer why they dont stop with it, thats all the more reason to. Unless you mean "egalitarian", which is untrue for places i know. No one really uses egalitarian. Merely was an example anyway, as long as "feminist" isn't the word, it's fine.
If we back down in the face of the lies and slander of sexist they will just be embolden and do the same thing to what ever we we identify as. If we just use the most general terms it makes it easy for sexist to claim they do support equality. And please stop giving credence to that bullshit "Man hating" label pushed by sexist like Rush Lumbar!
Feminism does have its warrants but the way they do it, especially in attempt to belittle and how easily it is hijacked just makes Feminism as a whole so unlikable. To some people, the way they are represented from their own 'group' literally overlooked all the 'good' they done and only seem them as an atrocity. But yes, valid points you made there, but I think the bigger concern isn't whether we 'need' feminism or not. Feminism will always stay much to the annoyance and joy of people. What matters is how Feminism can conduct itself to accomplish their goals without self-sabotaging every three or so seconds.
First of all, hats off for this take. It takes a lot of courage to do so.
One little point though, in #3 if it is simply because less women take part in it then there is nothing to be mad about it. However if it is because of social pressure or work discrimination then it is an issue.
And you forgot female education. And trafficking. Both are major issues as well.
Well, you can write global version of this take
Well maybe I will. Maybe I won't. You know how lazy I am.
We'll always want more despite already having everything. We'll always clamor for equality despite clearly having and pushing our advantages. We still complain that "it's not fair game" but we've been abusing the "equality card" we've been playing for so long. I sincerely apologize to the guys. I'm sorry that we're going too far!
Wow! I never thought I'd hear someone with enough sense from other side admit going too far! Thank you for having an open and fair mind. You clearly have a different, unselfish heart. Thanks again.
Cheers. I feel like it's complicated, but appreciate your comment as an antidote to some of the more hate-filled feminist rants.
I guess I should apologies for the shitty things men admittedly do. Not all men, and not all the time.
No, no, and no.
Equal rights are certainly needed, especially outside the Western world.
But honestly, when the media is full of female journalists writing hate-filled propaganda against men, I'm not okay with that. I'm not okay with being a poor dude working a minimum-wage job, and some entitled bitch who has a degree and a job at a newspaper and is in her early twenties is telling me that I am a privileged abusive POS. Just not okay.
And I am sick and tired of their lack of scientific rigor. So much of what they say is just BS. Total BS. Made-up BS.
It's an ideology promoted by a special-interests movement. I have about as much respect for it as I have for the MRA dudes on Reddit.
Feminism is cancer. It's set women back a lot more than it's ever lifted them up. No one needs feminism. Not the Muslim women in the middle east suffering under the oppressive heel of Islamic regimes, not women in the west or the US who have it better than any women have ever had it in history, and not the women in the Congo where rape is a tool of war. They can all do without feminism. Human rights has always been and will always be a superior cause to feminism and it is also directly contradictory to feminism, as it should be. As all things should be. Feminism is cancer.
1. Yes catcalling is demeaning and shouldn't be done, but what can we do about it? Surely not some draconian, freedom inhibiting policies as some feminists propose, right?
2. This is freedom of speech and shouldn't be infringed upon.
3. Women have every opportunity to get into leadership roles, they just choose not to go that path. Stop advocating the forcing of people to do what they don't want to.
4. Saying 'hi' to a female coworker is sexual harassment these days. Don't count on those statistics.
5. Abortion at the stage of pregnancy when you can determine the gender of the child shouldn't even be a thing.
i mean there's always going to be problems, but i think for the most part we're pretty set and on equal ground. in regards to cat calling and being blamed for being raped, hell i even got followed home a little while back after being cat called so now i'm antsy as fuck to walk even in the daylight to work, let alone the dark. for rape most don't blame the raped person though yeah, there's fucked cases. as for leadership roles, i don't know, it's mostly male dominated lines of work where the women aren't common, since they tend to chose others. i don't think just because there's still issues it means it's still in itself an issue. regardless we should all be game for equality, for both genders. feminazis i agree aren't supporting this, they're big ole cuntzillas
Try sending out two identical resumes for leadership positions, one with a man's name and one with a woman's name. I guarantee you the first one will get far more call backs. Most sexist men have wizened up enough to hide it well in front of women, but often let their guard down around other guys. If you heard half of the kind of crap I hear at work you would wizen up real quick. The same applys to the racist crap I hear.
Feminism in the US is for minor stuff. Bring your feminists to fight for girls whose clitorisses are cut, or 9 year old child brides.
see that's not called feminism, it's called the most basic of natural law rights, the right not to be mutilated against one's will is not a woman's right, it's a human right
@Goochbreaker and it should come first before the freedom to walk around braless
like FUCKING DUH lol it's so obvious, who gives a shit about walking around braless when little girls are being cut down there? It's fucking brutal too, different degrees exist but the most common form of clittorectamy removes the entire organ! It is extremely painful and I've seen it on video, the kid is screaming like I've never heard... utterly horrifying. Fuck these feminists straight to hell they don't give a damn about the little girls, conservatives and religious folk generally do
You know about the cut clitorises too huh... i dated someone with that... cut clit, sewn shut.
What about infants who have their penises mutilated in those same countries and in the US (and Australia, and in many other countries (far more then women who get circumcised)? Or the boys who are murdered because they got their hair cut in a western style? Or the boys who got burned alive because they attended a western school while all the girls where let go? Those countries don't need feminism, they need removal of corruption and industrialization.
Stacking the courts against women's reproductive rights is not a minor issue. One political party almost devoid of any women in power is not a minor issue.
All good points aside from the last one, in my opinion. If a person would prefer to have a son (especially for their firstborn, which is often where sex-selective abortion takes place) it's pretty anti-feminist to say that person shouldn't have a choice whether they want to abort the child, or not.
"Cat Calling Is Still A Thing"
Have never done it and cannot do anything unless I actually hear , which i have never.
"Blaming Women For Is Still Common"
The points tend to be that women should still take care for their safety, such as drinking normal amounts of alcohol to stay in control of themselves and their safety, again, for their own sake.
"Lack of women in leadership roles"
I don't see how this is important. Leaders are chosen because they can Lead, not because they are men or women. That's why Clinton had a good chance at winning, because enough people liked her ideas, and interestingly enough because she's a woman. No Trump supporter than I know supported him for the simple fact that he is a he.
"Sexual Harassment At Workplace is Still Common"
This is true and women need to take a stronger stance against real harassment.
"Sex-Selective Abortion Is In Favour Of Men"
Women are the ones in control of the abortion, thus, it's sexism from women towards women.
Sexual harassment is actually at an all time low regardless of what Hollywood will have you believe and what constitutes as sexual harassment has been pushed by new ridiculous boundaries.
While I'm not a fan of catcalling people need to get over it. Douchebags are going to be douchebags.
There is no excuse for rape. Regardless of how slutty she is, rape is not acceptable.
More women are in positions of power then ever before, all around the world.
The Definition Of Feminism And My Proposed Revision ↗ Feminism to me is defined by the belief in patriarchy theory as patriarchy theory as defined by such works as "The Second Sex."
Yikes, this is a really touchy subject. I myself am not a feminist. 1st and 2nd wave were needed, and I am thankful for those ladies. However, now? It is not needed in the west. Those points you made in the article are so minor meanwhile woman are being slaughtered for driving in the middle-east.
Chose your battles wisely, because these "problems" in the west pale in comparison to the atrocities happening elsewhere.
Do you also believe LGBT rights are a done deal here just because no one is throwing us off buildings any more? Reproductive rights are under more of a threat than ever before!
"Sex-selective abortion is the practice of aborting the unborn infant because of its sex. It takes place if one of the genders has more advantage over the other."
If abortion is a good thing and women's right, why does it matter which sex they abort more? It's women's choice. Unless you secretly think abortion is murder and you just want to balance the homicide.
While feminism can still be useful it would need to be actual feminism. Not this man hating crap feminists do now...
Man hating feminist primarily exist in the minds of people stupid enough to follow sexists pieces of crap like Rush Lumbar.
#5:
Not true.
Most states restrict to 14 weeks, though some go to 24.
Average time is between 12-13, so most are done within that window. Medical risks of abortion skyrocket after 14, hince why the ban in most states.
You learn gender normally between 16-20 weeks.
Sooo, no, gender selective abortions are not really a thing. In most states, that would be illegal. On average, the numbers just don't support that.