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Feminism is bad but whose fault is it? (Page 2)
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Feminism was created by and has always been run by Jewish Communists as part of a multi-faceted plan to destroy Western Civilisation.
The Communist Manifesto and the Protocols both specify that the family must be destroyed and that men and women must be turned against each other.
Feminists are either evil-to-the-core Communists, or people who Lenin described as “useful idiots”.
Read the Communist Manifesto, the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion and the United Nations document Agenda 20/30. Much of what you see happening about you will come into focus and be understood.
I also recommend a book called None Dare Call It Conspiracy (Graham Allen, 1972).
Basically you are saying that protecting women from abuse, giving them an equal chance at life and acknowledging them as human beings who do not only belong in the kitchen and bedroom causes destruction of family values and will bring doom on the society. You know the west is doing fine right? That is just a bs excuse made by men who are afraid of their power being stripped away.
@morimeme1
I see that you have believed all the lies that were fed to you in the gender studies lectures.
Western women are the most priveleged people to have walked the Earth.
Not more priveleged than men, stop playing the victim. The west has reached the state of gender equality.
I support feminism and we need to create awareness because women still suffer some brutal crimes including female infanticide, honour killings, domestic abuse, forced marriages, acid attacks and flesh trade. Anyone who condemns these acts is a feminist. The sad thing is that most crimes happen at homes like female infanticide, honour killings, domestic abuse and forced marriages.
pretty clean cut. it's the fault of uneducated, entiteled morons. not much more to say to that.
exposing societal problems and suggesting ways to improve is not bad. but doing so at this point takes at least a masters degree in politics, sociology, psychology or similar. that's not what the average feminist has these days.
tose that are smart and offer solutions aren't heard anymore. the morons that shout their idiocy the loudest are the ones that create the biggest following. sad but true.
by the way "gender studies" is in my opinion not a credible degree. it's an idiology that has not much to do with "science".
In my opinion feminism in the beginning was pretty awesome but soon it became something that pushes men down and pushes women over them in importance in the popular version of feminism. I more identify with humanism movements because yeah the women in lots of places have awful rights but guys need to be helped too. I agree totally that we are naturally attracted to radical attention grabbing crap. I just wish they would just stop and try to just help everybody.
Feminism was never 'awesome', it always faced backlash and still does. No one ever found feminism amazing or welcomed feminists with flower garlands. That's just the harsh truth of life. Only because people don't welcome it doesn't mean that they don't need it.
When I said awesome I mean it fought for ideals that I believe are very important. I'm sorry if I offended you or misspoke.
The fact is dear, when feminists advocated women's education, in those days no one thought that it was an awesome cause, they were leaving against those basic things too. It's been centuries since then and it is because those feminists could make a difference that today we feel they did an amazing thing.
Okay, yeah. I was just trying to say that I agree on what was said in the beginning but I feel like it has evolved to people just being rude and instead of trying to help people live better, they aren't focusing on what matters.
I just want people to not be so rude to people about what they believe.
Me neither.
Coolio
feminism isn't bad in my opinion, thats just women who agree on making things equal but there's women out there that take it too far and try and out rule men on everything and in my opinion thats not feminism anymore, i call those women feminazis, being a feminist is fine in my opinion
I agree that there are feminists who care about the wrong things and go too far but I feel like you chose a bad example. Making breastfeeding mothers go feed their baby in the mall bathroom while you see practically naked women on any other ad is ridiculous. If a woman breastfeed her child on the bus she gets angry stares or comments, if she does not and her baby cries because it is hungry - again angry stares or comments.
I will give lovely stare myself 😍 will a mother be comfortable with it? I don't think so.
I did not get what you were aiming at, sorry
The point wasn't public breastfeeding being a bad movement, the point was something controversial and scandalous. You can have your own opinions but my only point was that we make viral what we find controversial or scandalous or whatever. I personally don't advocate public breas for several reasons (I'll happily write a myTake on it someday.
My point is @morimeme1 if the women want the right to breastfeed in public, we men want the right to stare without any action taken against us! No matter how creepy the stare is, the man should not be done any harm! Trust me, the women will get so creeped out by it, they'll stop doing that themselves or we'll reach another low in Human civilization! Either way it'll be a fun experience 😄
@Twenty2 We are both talking about two separate things because my point involves men being decent human beings, you talk about men's rights to be creeps and then complain that women think badly of men...
@CubsterShura I would gladly read a myTake like that. But to be honest, it often may seem like we are the ones making something viral when in reality the media is controlled by one or another political movement who choose which things to actively shove down our throats and which not to advertise further.
Decency is covering your breast in public and not putting it as a public display! You can't expect men to be decent while being indecent yourself!
Then again, why are female breasts doing what they were meant to do by nature considered indecent while fat men can walk around shirtless and not be shamed for it? Why are you discriminating nipples?
It's not nipples. It's breasts. Men don't have breasts, they have chest and fat (if they are fat). Women, on the other hand, have breasts and fat (if they are fat). Human breasts were developed as a sexual attraction. Only Human females have breasts for ever! All other mammals lose their volume after the job is done (providing milk to the newborn)! Human females don't! They still remain full even after job is done and do it's function that is attracting Human male. Hence, I am just stating facts and not discriminating.
Before I answered your comment I did two things
1. Googled some polls regarding this issue.
They were British , American , Malasian and Ireland.
The results were that 75 to 87% of the people polled had nothing against breastfeeding in public , few had no opinion and rest was against it.
If í remember correctly, Ireland was the most conservative.
This shows us beyond any doubt that there is no problem at all.
It is very rare to find a issue in the western world that is so much consensus on.
I would think there is more people against eating hamburgers than this.
2.
I went to YouTube and watched some videos about public shaming of such breastfeeding.
Some of them are obviously fake.
Others are genuine and it is interesting that in some cases at least people who witnessed the harassment defended the mother fiercely
That is a good thing.
I also saw a video where the mother or her husband , that shot the video,, constantly complained that someone was looking. Some of the people was not even looking.
In those cases most, most of the time, the people looking was not the problem. It was the couple that was breastfeeding that was hyper sensitive and looking for trouble.
Everywhere you go people will look at you. If you are doing unusual things, people will look at you more often.
About third og UK mother are uncomfortable breastfeeding in public. I would think that their insecurity is more problem than the onlookers.
This breastfeeding thing is so obliviously a way to stir up trouble. There is nothing to it.
Once in a while someone will be harassed, but that is live. Get used to it.
People are harassed all the time for all sorts of things.
Not least for being a man.
women have formed a group to fight for their own rights and they can care less what happens to men in their society. it's basically women fighting for women so why should i, as a guy, care about feminists in general regardless of their personal beliefs? i say let women do whatever they want but these very feminists who deal with real issues and feel entitled to have their own movement are against other movements like Men's Rights. so according to any feminist women can demand their rights but men can't. that's the most clear definition of sexism which is what feminists "claim" to be against
Much of the feminist que see in the media talk about American issues and not issues goin on across. the globe for women.. The elites are spreadin that women are superior rather than fight for equality.. And the fact that women in the west have some advantages over men don't help shine a bright light on feminism much at all..
You can't blame. Media always gives more attention to things happening in America. Before all states in America legalized gay marriage have you seen any other news of any other country getting the same attention even though many other countries did it before? When the al-aqsa mosque got destroyed did it gain even half as much attention as the Cathedral in Paris? People changed their profile pictures to flag is France during the attack there so how many people are making their profile picture blue for Sudan now?
Wait, it sounds like we actually agree.. The Media gives attention to whatever they want across the globe.. Does anybody know about the flood that happened in Mozambique, that killed over 1000 people? If that happened in Europe they would have a field day.. Same wit the mosque..
A part of it could be because of lack of media coverage, I believe.
Yeah, that's definitely part of the reason.. They cover the things they want across the globe.. 😂😂..
No like, actually lack of access to information in many war zones. Especially countries where they try to censor the media.
I mean I guess you can attribute it to that.. But the media will get to where they want, if they really try.. But, the point is that the media gives more attention to the things they want, they how to manipulate facts and people.. I know we can't always blame them, but in today's world much of the time it is the perception they put out...
True. It's a complex situation. Media is heavily censored where I live and many journalists get killed so I can tell that it's not so easy.
Of course.. It is.. But the American media is pretty powerful, and can get into many places.. Not sayin that media is bad.. Cause a lot of it is good though.. Many parts of it are still selective though, and just want a good story and to keep people watchin..
Nah American media couldn't even enter here when a lot of shady stuff were going on
Lol.. I see.. Well, yeah that happens too..
The government literally didn't give Visa to any Americans and some other Nationals when they said they wanted to come here to monitor our elections.
And there are good reasons. The election was forged.
Aw damn, that's crazy.. But, there's YouTube and we can see coverage from the media there.. 😉..
> Feminism is bad but whose fault is it?
> makes veiled implication that it's media's fault, who's [at least the biggest ones] overwhelmingly liberal left-leaning; a media can, if would want to, make anything the biggest trend.
> who owns that media?
> men and ((()))
> can't blame ((()))
> men are to blame that feminism sucks?
Am I accurate in the logical chain I've noticed?
No.
Let's make it simpler.
> Who are most influential in present day?
> Those who have greater reach/influence online, on social media platforms.
> How do you have greater reach on social media?
> By getting more engagement/publicity/going viral.
> Who gets the most engagement/viral?
> Always the controversial radical ones.
> Who makes them viral?
> Us.
> So who is responsible for radical feminists getting the spotlight?
I think you can answer that one.
So fault of feminists and other liberals? If yes, then:
1.) It requires them to have a brain (functional one is preferred) to comprehend their errors.
2.) In case of #1, pretty much their whole movement would collapse if they would realize they're the problem and are fighting over imaginary issues they've made up in order to compensate the void in meaning of their lives.
It is absolutely futile to expect them to give a shit about 3rd world countries (expect for some hype and/or "donations" that end up in someone's pockets), as hypocrisy is core root of their whole ideology.
Besides, while their degeneracy doesn't concern big business that much, thus they can affect domestic policies with their retardation, but when it comes down to international politics, their opinion doesn't matter at all -- I'd love to see USA/Canada barking at Saudi Arabia over their misogynistic policies and how quickly (yet not publicly) big companies would interfere to keep things the way they are.
You realize that hate comments and anti-feminists giving views to their videos also increase engagement, right?
These are realistic, not "hate" comments.
You realize that these feminist pages also get a lot of shit like rape threats? That isn't a realistic criticism.
Considering it's a leftist/neo-liberal movement, I highly doubt the legitimacy of receiving so called "threats".
For example:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=fake+rape
It isn't limited to feminists though:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=fake+swastika
I follow enough feminist social media posts to know what it's like 😂
The biggest mistake in history was granting women suffrage.
They actually lost political power due to it (I know this seems contradictory but its true)
The 2nd biggest mistake was allowing all women to enter the work force, We essentially doubled the work force which has decreased wages and increased competition!
3rd biggest mistake was sexual liberation of the 1960s. which turned western women into floozies
Its totally mens fault for allowing women to do as they please.
I can’t tell if you’re serious or if you’re just a troll.
You make the mistake of assuming that the feminists mindset that have the most attention are a minority. But in fact, those are the people who get attention and have influence and power. And as a result those who identify themselves as a feminists naturally agree with these public figures.
Because you know what? You can be for womens rights without being a feminists. Feminism has only been a singular movement for womens rights, but it doesn't have monopoly on it.
They are only influential online and not much in real life, even the ones who are prominent in real life depend on their online publicity. And like I said, we give them publicity and more women are influenced to be like them.
So being able to speak infront of the UN, being constantly covered in media and such things aren't influental? You are naive at best, if you believe that.
Like I said, they mainly get to those platforms BECAUSE of being famous online first. They still depend on their internet fame. And we are the ones who give them the internet fame. No one will hand you the mic if you're just some random person that no one knows.
You keep repeating yourself like a broken record without going into detail of what I say.
It simply doesn't matter what the feminists do that hold no political power. It matters what those do who hold said power. Because they are the ones influencing the public image, recruiting new faces AND making policies. Especially since feminism is a MOVEMENT. Meaning its aim is to create political change.
You can try to downtalk that all you want, but it doesn't change this reality.
Whether or not a group has power doesn't change the fact that you can support the cause that you believe in. There are plenty of people doing great things without politics and others are donating to them to support them. And the more support these helpful organizations get the more they will get the spotlight.
"Whether or not a group has power doesn't change the fact that you can support the cause that you believe in."
Are you even reading what I am writing? Let me quote myself in my original statement:
"Because you know what? You can be for womens rights without being a feminists. Feminism has only been a singular movement for womens rights, but it doesn't have monopoly on it."
So 'duh. You can believe in womens rights and still be critical towards the shitshow that feminism has been since the 60s. But then you aren't a feminist, you are an advocate for womens rights.
People won't donate to feminist causes because feminist are known to misappropriate funding.
Would you donate money to the KKK raising money to help feed starving children or would you rather find a group you can trust to give similar donations too?
That's your stereotype that every feminist will scam your money.
No, it's my understanding of the facts that most feminist lie and use political bullshit as a scapegoat to get money from stupid government groups and social fundraisers.
If you believe the majority is bad then support the good minority!
What I take issue with is the framing of the issues. Its wrong to frame the issues according to feminist academia. They don’t know what they’re talking about.
You can (and should) tackle issues in practical ways without the feminist lens and that’s what I want to see.
I don't believe in charities.
Cause first off I can't actually see what they're doing with my money. If I'm giving you my money I see it as an investment. And I want to see results.
Not to mention there's so many charities out there claiming to help people that are less fortunate and are starving. And so far those problems still exist so... clearly donating to charities is more like a bandaid rather than a permanent solution.
You can donate offline to organizations near you that you think are really helping. And just following/sharing a page, signing petitions help too. The example I gave for Noura was saved from death penalty after enough global protests. Her punishment was finally reduced to only five years of prison which couldn't be reduced unfortunately, but it's far far better than the death penalty they were supposed to be giving her.
If you don't believe on charity then you can support in other ways.
Well again that's the thing helping one person get released or a reduced sentence doesn't solve anything. Rape victims will probably continue to get jailed for adultery. You're going to need to get to the root of the problem, which could mean changing the laws in those countries. So... Donating to help the people there I feel is just a waste of money.
I do think there's better ways to help. Like teaching the people, cause you know education is power.
Then give charity to organizations that volunteer to educate underprivileged women
Again how do I know they are going to actually use my money to teach them?
And I was talking in a much bigger scale so that the government there change the laws.
You start an organization yourself that will be 100% honest and reliable.
That would require a lot of time and money. Which I don't have yet.
Do it when you have money.
Sure thing
B is some what better, but neither would get my attention to sign or donate. Photos are the attention getter and neither are amazing. I read them because of the asker the idea of the message sucked. Was feminiam a great idea yes, is feminism still great yes, BUT a few spoils the whole concept of the movement.
You can't really blame anyone because when it started Feminism was good but that changed quickly
If Feminism:
1. Changes it's name to equalism
2. regulates it's extremists
3. Actually helps both men and women
4 Realises men have problems
5 Doesn't hate it when men try to get equality for themselves.
6. Helps remove sexist traditions ( even those that benefit women)
Then I may change my mind on the idea but I won't get involved in any way if these things don't happen.
Who are you, again?
Why does that matter?
Because I want to know what makes you think that you can make these decisions for feminists. FYI, every feminist I know of is supportive of men in terms of body positivity, sexual harassment, LGBT and mental health. I rather find men being very hostile towards other men regarding such matter.
Why did you assume I'm forcing these things apon Feminism.
These are suggestions, no forcing at all.
But I'll never support them if they don't.
Many Feminists I see only help women which would be fine if they said Feminism was a women's equality movement and let men have a men's equality movement but they don't.
Many Feminists I see on the internet don't respect men and will never help them.
They barely help themselves always arguing and never doing.
Women always complain about impractical clothing. Example fake pockets, way too short skirts and tops, impractical shoes.
If Feminism was an action based movement then there would a international practical women's clothing brand.
Don't say there isn't a big wanting for this, because there is and yet Feminism hasn't helped.
This just demonstrates why terms like "feminism" or "feminist" aren't really that helpful. It's why I refuse to answer questions like "what do you think of feminism" or "are you a feminist" unless the person asking defines the term as they understand it and is able to provide 3 or 4 policy positions.
I generally agree.
In summary: FMG is worse than "manspreading". A rational human being should be able to tell the difference between a real serious issue and utter BS.
American feminist only “fight” for themselves. They don’t care about what’s going on in the next country.
q pink. What exactly are you fighting for?
@boggij I’m not a feminist. I fight for what I believe in. I’m passionate about a lot of things that I’m currently working on.
@ Pink. That is good.
Young people should be passionate , but it can be difficult to find out if the cause is worthy.
@boggij everything I’m passionate about is worthy.
feminists are now mainstream so they have to adjust strategies from resistance against establishment to being an actual establishment movement. Also now we see the limitations of the idea of equality. Its very limited and many people dont want to be restricted by it, feminism needs to become more right wing instead of left wing for it to function and serve society.