Why Asians do better than Blacks

[Apope16]

Why do Asians do better than Blacks in society economically? Is it because they are born rich computer geniuses? Is it because Blacks are lazy.

None if this is true.

1. Black people in America have lived in Depression level economic conditions since slavery. Much of that time, 50% were unemployed. These families were unable to pass down generational wealth. Whether it was slavery, or Jim Crow from 1865 to 1968. It destroyed families.

2. The only solution for many was an underground economy of crime or drugs. Between 1970 to present, there was the rise of the jailing of Black men. This destroyed the family nucleus.

3. Because so many Black men were jailed, most families have been raised in single parent households, in poor communities with bad school. These mothers face job discrimination, are denied promotion, and have no income to leave bad neighborhoods. Plus there's red lining etc. It has destroyed opportunity for children.

4. Asians have been whitened and assimilated into white culture. Due to racism, lighter skin defenses are assimilated faster than dark. Europeans before Asians, then Latino, etc.

Asians have worked hard but have typically been raised by 2 parents, never faced the same suffering in Jim Crow or jailing. Assimilation has given them positive stereotypes like being smart, etc. Stereotypes for young Black children in media and movies are negative.

[Anonymous]

Asian communities in America were never destroyed by white mobs like black communities and were left alone to prosper . In the early 20th century, Blacks had many prominent communities in Tulsa OK, Durham NC, and communities in Florida , Illinois, California Georgia during the reconstruction and Jim Crow eras Complete with business districts insurance companies and well to do blacks and these areas became very prosperous which caused the whites to become jealous and resentful. The success of these once prosperous and prominent black communities was what led to their ultimate demise , so next time you have someone say that blacks need to pull their bootstraps up , don't value education show these articles. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwood,_Tulsa
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweet_Auburn#History

[MrNameless]

Oh they definitely wore when they first came here in the 1800s and came to work on the rail roads.. Also Japanese Americans in the 40s faced a lot of discrimination.

[Opinion Owner]

@MrNameless Don't ever try to compare the Japanese and Chinese immigrants to what African slaves and their descendants went through with chattel slavery, reconstruction , Jim Crow and redlining what they went through in America is a walk in the park compared to what my ancestors and my fellow black people in the slavery, reconstruction and Jim Crow eras and even the present day went through.

[hellionthesagereborn]

That's incorrect. Also "chattel slavery" is slavery, that's a redundant term, do you think that when Africans enslaved other Africans it wasn't chattel slavery? When north Africans invaded the coast of Europe and took whites as slaves that it wasn't chattel slavery? When the ottomans invaded Europe and enslaved whites it wasn't chattel slavery? When Aztecs and native americans took slaves it wasn't chattel slavery? OF course it was. The irony of your statement is actually that Europeans actually where the only ones who DIDN'T have chattel slavery, they had indentured servitude for most groups. After that transitioned to slavery they still had laws that regulated how one treated slaves unlike literally every single other group in the world. So that is incorrect on an epic scale. Further more as my previous statements allude to, your going to claim that every single other group in the world (like whites and Asians (and their various ethnic groups like irish Italian and greek all of which experienced descrimination ("Irish/Italians/asians need not apply" was a common sight for early twentieth century)) where able to overcome that descrimination but blacks where not? Doesn't that strike you as a little racist? Why where blacks not able to bounce back from descrimination that happened before? I mean even jim crow laws didn't exist every where in the US, and even if they did they ended in the 60s. Blacks got the right to vote before Asians did, Asians where descriminated against during and after WWII. So what are you trying to say? Are you seriously going to argue that blacks are just so weak that they can't do what literally every single other group in the entire world has done? That's a stupid argument.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Also as your own argument shows, blacks where doing well despite descrimination and only started failing recently so your argument invalidates your argument. The issue was the destruction of the black family thanks to welfare programs that directly required the home to be broken for people to have access to those programs. So it was in the sixties as fatherlessness went up that we started seeing increased rates of academic failure, criminality, substance abuse, poverty, unemployment, and promiscuity (which just ensured that the situation would continue to get worse for the next generation).

[zagor]

You forgot the peer pressure in the Asian communities to excel in school. Whereas some black students are mocked by the peers when they work hard at academics.

[zagor]

Plus, for those in poor communities, there is the stress of crime and violence.

I worked with a black kid who had not considered going to college until he visited his cousin at U and was surprised to see there weren't a lot of gang members hanging around. From his experience, he associated school with fear and intimidation.

[Babygirl_S]

African immigrants in my country aren't shamed by their peers though. May be lack of education is mocked in the USA.

[Babygirl_S]

*is shamed

[zagor]

@Babygirl_S African immigrants here generally do better than those who grew up in long-time American black communities.

[AvaMorales]

Totally agree. I am in 10th and every third person gets 95% above in the national board examination. You want a good college, min marks are 98%. So... pretty tough to stand out if you want to.

[Babygirl_S]

Due to racism against dark-skinned people. That is the simplest answer.

[mfundi]

Point of collection please we are not lazy

[Babygirl_S]

I like to keep it concise sometimes.

[mfundi]

Bad gorvners

[Babygirl_S]

Huh?

[mfundi]

All our problems are man-made , I wish you my country and see by yourself.

[Babygirl_S]

Whom are you kidding? Lighter skinned black people are accepted in the USA. They are seen as better human beings.

[mfundi]

But that is not the fact

[mfundi]

Baby girl racism will take us to nowhere but whe have accept it and move on it's started long time ago , Africans are catching up slowly. watch out.

[Dog20]

That and the fact that a lot of black women have no standards for dating. People were surprised when I said that I would date a guy who was broke and unemployed. I know that as a black woman this is almost expected of me to have no standards but when I look at other races of women you wouldn't see a Asain woman with a high school dropout who is broke and living off of her, her parents wouldn't allow it but as a black woman you see women dating bums everyday...

[RolandCuthbert]

It is like a very uninformed thread. Let me help you out.

I guess you identify as being "Black" or African-American. I don't know. Just guessing.

So, let start with Points 1.2.3. African-Americans have historical challenges to economic success, stability. We all know the deal, racism, discrimination, etc., etc. But you can't avoid the obvious factors of African-American culture. As you can see, I am not a racist. But there are elements of African-American Culture that just do not cherish education and intelligence. To be honest, that is an issue facing American society as a whole, as we seem as a nation to only place a real value on ignorance. But the fact is, that if African-Americans want more economic success, we will have to figure out how to educate "Black" people better and create more economic opportunities for ourselves. No one is going to do this for us. As for your obsession with looking at "Black" people as a race, you neglect to understand that African and Caribbean people immigrate to the U. S. also. And if you look at their ability to get an education and find economic success, you will see it roughly corresponds to what most immigrant groups experience. Immigrants are simply better educated and enjoy more economic success than the average American, "Black" or "White".

4. This is just flat out ignorant and false. Asians immigrants are not assimilated into "Whiteness", hence the name Asian or Asian-American. Asian immigrants like all immigrants create communities in the U. S. where they can find help, economic assistance, and stability so they can start their own businesses and enjoy economic success. Just because racism grades us in magnitudes of "Whiteness" does not mean the lighter skinned experience no racism or even less racism

Your obsession with race and lack of ability to understand culture leads to very uninformed and nonsensical conclusions. "Blacks" not having fathers? Tell that to Nigerian immigrants.

"Today, 29 percent of Nigerian-Americans over the age of 25 hold a graduate degree, compared to 11 percent of the overall U. S. population, according to the Migrations Policy Institute. Among Nigerian-American professionals, 45 percent work in education services, the 2016 American Community Survey found, and many are professors at top universities. Nigerians are entering the medical field in the U. S. at an increased rate, leaving their home country to work in American hospitals, where they can earn more and work in better facilities. A growing number of Nigerian-Americans are becoming entrepreneurs and CEOs, building tech companies in the U. S. to help people back home."

www.ozy.com/.../86885

[hellionthesagereborn]

Well that's entirely incorrect. The first black millionaire was a woman, she became rich in the early 1900s i. e. fourty years after the end of slavery. We had the first black US marshal, Bass Reed who had been an escaped slave, the first black governor was in I want to say 1880s as where the first black US congressman. In fact we know for a fact that what your stating is incorrect because blacks actually where fairing far better economically and socially before the sixties with a higher probability of graduating highschool, graduating college, of having their own business and with higher rates of being employed. In fact these rates dropped after the sixties when single mother homes became increasingly more common.

your argument is not only incredibly racist towards whites its also racist towards Asians and blacks. We know what the problem is and we have known for decades and that is fatherlessness. 80% of inmates are from single mother homes, we know that fatherlessness increases the probability of academic failure, poverty, increased rates of criminality, increased rates of substance abuse, and increased rates of promiscuity (which perpetuates the problem) all of which we see in the black community and most of it starting in the 60s after the introduction of welfare and more specifically it being actively targeted towards the black community (welfare programs that specifically called for the woman to be a single mother before being able to be accessed).

So you saying that because 150 years ago something bad happened to some one that modern day blacks NEVER knew, nor knew the children of nor the grand children of, and that's why they are in this current situation is incredibly racist. What, do they not have free will? Do they need the white man to come in and do everything for them? Obviously when you tell an entire group that they are perpetually helpless and nothing they do matters, they are going to stop trying to fix the problem. What you have said is entirely inaccurate (FYI slavery existed in all places of the world, every race was enslaved and every race enslaved yet every other group managed to move on from it and to do so very quickly, within only a generation or so).

As for Asians, Asians where descriminated against in some parts of the country as well (just as the Irish where, Italians where, Hispanics where, blacks where, native americans where etc. etc.(the idea of a multicultural society had never really occurred before so it was definitely a learning curve and not every one was able to keep up sadly)), yet they managed. As for them being "accepted into white culture" that is inaccurate. Yes its true that they assimilated in some ways, and that's a very good thing (why would we demand that an entire nation of people assimiliate to the smallest percentage of people? That doesn't make any sense and shows a complete disrespect for that culture and society), however being in a two parent household was a trait of their culture too. So was working really hard to get into college. You'll also notice that their is actually less intermingling in many Asian communities with whites, they tend to stick together more (I personally think their should be more assimilation) etc. So again, everything you said is entirely wrong and is nothing more then trying to make an excuse for why one group is failing (primarily due to their own choices (and partially as a consequence of their parents choices i. e. fatherlessness was not the fault of the one without a father but they then go on and perpetuate the problem).

[hellionthesagereborn]

Blacks are just as capable as any other group and suggesting otherwise is rather racist and disgusting, along with being inaccurate. If you look at media blacks dominate the music industry right now, we also have plenty of rich black academics (Thomas Sowell who managed to become successful in the sixties and seventies and is a professor at cornell. Also Larry Elder who was a lawyer, etc. etc.), why where they not held back? My great grandfather came into the US with nothing and had to work on the railroad, his son worked in construction. Where is my inherited wealth? Oh yeah, I don't have any. In fact the majority of people don't have inherited wealth, they worked for it like every one else. I mean are you counting the poor coal miners when you talk about "inherited wealth"? Oh no, you forgot about them huh? Most of them where of Germanic and welsh decent. WE have far more poor whites then any other group in the US, just look at Appalachia. How is it that you would dismiss them? Because its not convient for the argument your trying to make. Stop making excuses and start providing solutions. You want to fix the problems in the black community? Here is the solution, stop having children out of wedlock, stop dropping out of school stay employed. That's it, that is all we need to do and we basically solve all the black community problems right their. Don't enable bad behavior.

[Gavyn]

Dude, you hit the nail on the head! Nice work.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Gavyn Thank you.

[Burtonfan]

Lol the music industry? This crap they are calling music is not. Its unintelligible and no instruments are used. Maybe a drum I don't know.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Burtonfan I never suggested it was good or well done, only pointing out that claiming that blacks are descriminated against despite dominating "music" and main stream culture is idiotically stupid as that requires by default that the majority of people consume that culture and product.

[JDavid25]

@hellionthesagereborn Dude all you are doin is tryin simplify a problem as if it's that easy.. You keep talkin about how 70 years ago "Black" people did better because "Oh 2 parent households".. Why did there stop bein majority 2 parent households, what stopped "Black" people from success? You seem to think you have ththe solution but you don't.. If you did, could go and implement those solutions right now.. But like I said you are just an outsider lookin in.. You really don't know much about What's goin on in the "Black" community except what you see on the news and internet.. Gettin a job doesn't stop you from livin in a rough neighborhood.. Expensive school don't help that either.. What about the news reporting more on "Black" crime to help lower property taxes in those areas? What about the constant lack of resources provided to schools in rough areas? What about the 50 schools that were closed down in my city Chicago? Most of them school with majority "Black" kids? People always name a few successes, and think we got it all good.. But that could be further from the truth.. You don't know the life of an average "Black" kid.. So I suggest you don't act like you do..

[Burtonfan]

@jdavid I'm not black but grew up in a predominantly black neighborhood. I'll tell you why black kids dont do well in school, it has nothing to do with lack of funding for resources. I went to the same schools. I tell you what I saw. If black kids tried to learn, paid attention, did homework. They were ridiculed by their peers. "Why you tryna act white"
So its its basically racism.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@JDavid25 Their you go making excuses again and trying to force the white man to come in and save the day. I don't have the solution, society figured this out thousands of years ago and the data just keeps confirming it. Fatherlessness is the issue, do you want me to provide you links to blacks saying it? WIll that give it more weight or will you just make pathetic excuses for why that doesn't count? Your the problem, you, not "evil racist" white people, not "the system", YOU. You are defending bad behavior, you are covering for people not owning their actions, YOU are demanding that every single person in the world EXCEPT you and those in the black community fix YOUR problems. YOU, are the issue and every one like you is the issue. As stated we know exactly WHEN this issue started and it pretty damn recent, we know that its not because of descrimination because EVERY SINGLE OTHER GROUP IN THE WORLD has managed to overcome the obstacles you and most the black community is getting stuck on. We know for a fact its not systemic racism or oppression or lack of opportunities or what ever excuse your going to give so you can be lazy and not do anything to fix your situation or the situation of your community because literally every single other group, groups who are actually at more of a disadvantage then yours, has managed to succeed and flourish (again, Nigerian americans are coming from a different culture, different language with fewer resources then what you have and they are flourishing while you who is given every opportunity, who has the rules bent or broken to give you every single advantage society can give you are failing miserably).

[hellionthesagereborn]

@JDavid25 So again, instead of demanding that I fix your problems for you (because if that is the case, their will be no sex before marriage, punishment for not getting As, punishment for not getting a job, punishment for smoking weed etc. etc. and then you would turn around and bitch and moan about how I (and every other white person) is racist for making you actually act like a god damn adult). But again your a perfect example for why the black community fails even though the top highest earners in the nation are all minorities, even though blacks from other nations (most of which are impoverished and near illiterate) fair far better then you, its because they own their shit and don't demand for the white man to come in and save them from themselves, they instead take responsibility for their life and their actions and act accordingly. You want to succeed, you want people to stop pointing out how the black community is anti education, how its pro violence and how most are hoodlums and gangbangers who are statistically responsible for OVER HALF OF ALL CRIME DESPITE BEING ONLY 13% OF THE POPULATION? You want to stop that? Act like a fucking adult, take responsibility, don't abandon your children, don't drop out of school, work hard, problem solved.

[Burtonfan]

Slow clap cascading into thunderous applause.
Oh I forgot. It is kida racist to accept less from them. So let's just stop that and demand they perform like everyone else. I get tired of seeing the low expectations employers have for black employees.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@JDavid25 @JDavid25 As for the closed schools they closed because they where not doing what they where suppose to be doing. What about the free bussing for black students in Chicago? Free phones? Free school lunches? All of these are paid for by every one else but used by the black community (these are all in Chicago. In fact the irony here is my friend had his girlfriend and her son move in with him to get him into a better school. She was stunned to find out that white people don't get anything for free (she has started to drop her previous views, the ones you have, after realizing that only blacks get this many handouts and this many redoes (her son sleeps in class, doesn't do his homework yet the teachers are buying him launch despite the fact that he has one already made for him by his mother, they are practicaly taking the tests for him, giving him an entire semester to get his homework in when all the white students have to get their homework in the day its due and still he is failing and making the same bullshit excuses your making (I'm from Chicago too, so I know your bullshit really well)).

[hellionthesagereborn]

@JDavid25 What about how universities actually lower their standards for black students? They give blacks what is the equivalent of 200 additional points on their SAT when it comes to acceptance into universities and colleges and a -180 for white students AND BLACK AMERICANS ARE STIL FAILING! You have nothing but excuses, its absolutely pathetic. You keep arguing "you don't understand" because its all you have, of course I understand I have done nothing but throw out all the statistical data in the world to show that what your saying is wrong, its not that I don't understand its that your so patheticaly weak that you cannot bring yourself to admit that your the problem because that would mean that you would have to actually change yourself. That's the saddest part about this, your pathetic making all of these excuses but you DON'T HAVE TO BE. You could have the life that others have, you could be successful you could be respected but because it takes work and personal responsibility you have chosen to be less. This is why the black community is failing, nothing else. Fix yourself and you fix a small part of the problem and maybe within a generation or two the black community can be just as well off as all the other groups who have managed to flourish here. Or keep wallowing in self pity and excuses and have people look down on you, its your choice.

[Burtonfan]

Uhhh. You killed him bro. he's not coming back.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Burtonfan Yeah its horrible. The irony is I've worked dead end jobs for my entire life (never could figure out how to talk to management to move up (to blunt I guess)), so I'm working these same jobs, I came from an abusive home (I was starved, beaten and stabbed in the head as a child), yet they act like they are the only ones who ever suffered. I've moved multiple times with next to no money and they act like they cannot move out of the ghetto's they have created. They saddest part is that if you talk to hard working blacks, they say some of the most racist stuff about blacks. I've worked with several black managers who have stated outright and have made no attempt to hide it that they would never hire a black person because of this self pity attitude and complete lack of personal responsibility. Multiple times. You would think that they would see that things are bad and try to change it but instead they just make excuses and blame every single other person for their actions but them. I think the root of it is this racist attitude, the idea that we have to pamper them and just give them what ever they demand and pretend to go along with their victim mentality. That's what is holding them back and that's why they hate people who tell them otherwise, because they know its true.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Burtonfan Well maybe he will start to think about this after he cools down. Lets hope.

[JDavid25]

@Burtonfan I grew up around majority "Black" kids too.. Never once did I hear about any "actin "White""... In fact, a lot of the kids got on me for ditching school, and not doin work.. The teachers used to make me feel bad, and whatnot.. Yeah there were kids who didn't give a damn, but there were plenty of kids who did do good.. I went to just about only "Black" schools growin up, most of them urban school in Chicago, and not once did I hear "you actin "White" tryna learn in school".. 😂😂.. But yeah keep goin with that narrative from a few kids..

[JDavid25]

@hellionthesagereborn Honestly, I don't wanna read all of "woe is me", "I've been through stuff too" ish you are talkin about.. Nobody said only "Black" people go through stuff.. You are talkin about you as an individual, while we are on "Black" people as a group dude.. Stay on topic.. Also, nobody wants the "White" man to save the day.. I actually would love for "Black" people to do what they did back with "Black" Wall Street, and all the other prosperous neighborhoods.. And nobody is blaming you dude.. "White" people in general are not to blame for the perceived state of "Black" people.. The system is. Discrimination goes a long way, and things can span centuries.. Also, there are more "Black" fathers involved in their children's lives than what people believe.. Its just that a lot of the parents ain't together or married, but "Black" fathers are in their children's lives more times than not.. Enough with the fatherless stereotype you are throwin out.. That's not the reason.. Well part of it, but far from the main reason.. Discrimination is what broke a lot of the "Black" family..

[Burtonfan]

Because you were in an all black school I guess they didn't see what white kids do. My school was 50% black 25% Spanish 20% white 5% Asian. My neighborhood mostly black, in NY. Just my experience. No narrative no agenda.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@JDavid25 I did stay on topic, their was no "woe was me" bullshit, its rather hypocritical that you would make that claim even if it was true, considering that every single thing you talk about is "woe is me". I pointed out that every single group in the world has had to over come the SAME GOD DAMN THING, so you bitching and whining is utter bullshit, its not an excuse. You know damn well what we are saying is true because again, EVERY STATISTIC SHOWS IT. You know its true because your own experiences yet here you are trying to blame the entire world because your to much of a fucking pussy to own your shit. The black community is destroyed because blacks destroyed it, not whites, not the system, blacks, black people like you who keep trying to defend and deflect justified criticism, people like you who blame everything in your life on some one else. Suck it the fuck up princess and take some god damn responsibility. You have more opportunities more handouts then ANY ONE so don't turn around and blame the rest of the world because your to weak to own your actions. Again, the most sickening part about this is your are so pathetic BY CHOICE, you could fix the problem but you choose not to and that's what makes this so absolutely disgusting. Stop being a racist, stop making excuses, stop being a pussy and act like a fucking adult and own your actions. The black community is in its situation because of you so fucking fix it. Don't tell me to fix it, don't demand white people come in like jesus and fix it, just fucking step up and fix it or at the very least stop being a bitch and making excuses for it.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@JDavid25 As for black fathers, again, no. Over 60% of black children are raised by a single mother period. 72% are born out of wedlock, period. You've clearly never spoken to a single fucking black person in your life because even they joke about how they never knew their father. Almost every black person I've worked with doesn't live with their fucking father. So statistical data and anecdotal data both show fathers are not in their children's lives in the black community. Again, STOP MAKING FUCKING EXCUSES! We know the problem stop being a pussy and fucking deal with it. Your not descriminated against, no other group in this fucking country has this problem that's INCLUDING ACTUAL African AMERICANS. So we know its not descrimination, I just listed off a shit ton of hand outs that only blacks get a absurd about amount of advantages not available to any other group. Every group in this country is held back so that people like you can get ahead and you still fuck it up. Its not descrimination your just a pussy to weak to fucking step up and act like an adult. All these handouts and excuses have just made you so pathetically weak its practically ensured that your going to be a failure. Suck it up princess, and start acting like a fucking adult.

[JDavid25]

@Burtonfan I don't think that's the point.. The point was that "Black" kids are claimed to say that line all the time.. They had an idea of what "White" kids do.. In fact some would probably automatically think a "White" person was smarter..

[JDavid25]

@hellionthesagereborn Dude you put in so many ad hominem attacks and strawman fallacies it's Ridiculous.. And I didn't insert any "Woe is me" type attitude into what I was sayin.. I was inserting the reality of ththe situation in America.. And if you actually read what I said instead of reacting to whatever reply U post you would see that I said I want "Black" people t build up our communities like we did with "Black" Wall Street.. Stop makin assumptions about me and what believe cause it makes you look ignorant and like you are constantly puttin words I clearly didn't say in my mouth.. That's why I don't like dealin with people like you because of that chip on yo shoulder towards "Black" people you have.. I recognize we have problems we need to fix.. I experienced it throughout my life dude.. I ain't makin excuses, I'm statin the reality of discrimination, and hardship in the "Black" community.. And not only the "Black" community, anybody not "White".. Indigenous people go through many of the same things "Black" people do.. Most "Black" fathers live with their children. There are about 2.5 million who live with their children, and 1.7 million who don’t, according to the CDC.. And they are the most involved in their lives.. I will actually post links also.. m.huffpost.com/.../us_11109876?test_ad=readmo_test So yeah that absent "Black" father thing is a myth.. And I don't really need to address half the other stuff as it's just you ranting and cussin me out.. 😂😂..

[hellionthesagereborn]

@JDavid25 No I haven't, I have called you what you are, you are a weak, that's not an argument, I am not saying you are weak because I can't rebut your argument, I already did that over and over again and you keep whining that the fact that your community is anti education because they are less likely to read, more likely to drop out of school, less likely to go to college, etc. etc. and your rebuttel is nothing more then an argument to purity (the no true Scotsman fallacy (see I know my logical fallacies too). You then used appeals to the anecdote to argue against STATISTICAL FACT. Then when that didn't work you tried to blame society blame "the system", at which point I pointed out that this was not the case and then you bitched and whined some more about why you being pathetic is perfectly acceptable (its not) and is every one elses fault but your own. I didn't argue that your arguments where wrong because your pathetic, I argued against your points and then told you after the fact that you where pathetic because instead of admitting you where wrong, admitting that their is a problem that you need to fix, you instead demand that white people fix your life for you because you think every black person is as weak and pathetic as you (which is racist as hell, blacks are just as capable as any other group) and thus needs white people to be their savior. Again, that's not an ad hominid argument, I made my argument, I then told you what kind of man (or lack their of) you are. Don't like it then fix it. Sack up and take responsibility or keep being pathetic and wallow in self pity for the rest of your more then likely miserable existence blaming the world for shit you could readily fix yourself. Either way I'm done because quite frankly I cannot stand weakness and you exude it.

[JDavid25]

Okay you are goin too far really.. Just cause I disagree witchu doesn't mean I'm weak.. I believe I am the enabler of my own problems, and blame nobody else for those.. And the fact that you can't bringin me into this conversation when clearly I'm talkin about the "Black" community as a whole.. Also yo statistics are outdated really.. Like that 70% garbage you keep postin.. You aren't really sayin anything new or outta the bag that I can't easily debunk.. You keep talkin aboit "White" saviors and whatnot when I never even brought that up, not to mention you keep assumin things about me just cause I don't wanna vilify the community I'm apart of, and bring actual nuance to why things are the way they are. Frankly I should have been done with you honestly..

[englisc]

Average Asian IQ: 105
Average African-American IQ: 85
Average African IQ: 70

Average IQ scores by country:

IQ is 80% genetic, and if you look at average IQ scores you can see patterns. Patterns which you're not supposed to see. The things you're saying about the conditions in America don't make sense when comparing them to Africa. I'm not saying that slavery was a good thing of course because it was terrible, but African Americans are smarter than Africans living in Africa, 15-20 points higher.

Then look at IQ scores between men and women:

There are more women around the average, more men at the extreme ends. This is also true for positions in society. More men at the top in leadership positions, and more men at the bottom with 90% of the homeless being men.

People prefer to avoid talking about this.

[mattdzz]

First, off, your postulations are bullshit.
Having said that, I'll explain why.
1. Asians, including those in the first China towns, were in poverty, as much so as blacks (and were further prevented from intermarriage, nor were they accepted into white society), but they were far more industrious and entrepreneurial; so, did far better.
2. The only solution my ass.
3. The war on crime/ drugs doesn't explain why 20% of black kids were born out of wedlock prior to it, and 73% are today. That's a lack of responsibility. Same thing with the incredibly high rates of herpes in the black community. You have not been able to discriminate against single moms in hiring since the depression, and most subsidized housing is meant for single moms.
4. Asians have been whitened because they do so damn well in school, show success in business, and are intelligent, civilized people who are not violent. We've accepted them because they've shown they belong in civil society, including Western society. They had to overcome cultural and language barriers, and still did so within a generation.
Once again, Asian people are responsible, graduate from high school, college, THEN have kids while married, and are almost guaranteed a place in the middle class for doing that bare minimum. Further, they haven't developed a gang culture, their own sloppy vernacular, nor a persona of being aggressive and violent. And what's worst is that black kids fully embrace the worst stereotypes, then are surprised when they're treated like the thugs they look/ act like.

[JDavid25]

You sound mad and ignorant.. "Black" people didn't just become like that out of nowhere.. Also like he said.. There were prosperous "Black" communities.. And you can thank suburban "White" kids for makin gangster rap popular.. Apparently "Black" men rappin about killin other "Black" men was appealing to them..

[the_face_of_god]

Wait? Are you pushing the blame of negative black cultures onto whites? "Blame white kids for making gangsta rap popular." At some point the black community has to own it's failings. Instead of coming up with excuse after excuse to why they keep fucking up. Sort out your own group or another group will, and it won't be pretty.

[JDavid25]

@the_face_of_god But... That's what happened.. Back in the mid 80s early 90s they was a lot of intellectual rappers, but corporations saw what was sellin, and since "White" Suburban kids made up a lot of they consumers, they went with what the majority liked, and what sold.. Should makes since.. I'm pretty sure we own up to our problems all the time if you actually look.. But a lot of what we are today was because of the system, and right now we are tryna "sort out our problems".. Thank you..

[the_face_of_god]

So black people create a aggressive form of music. Whites buy the music, so it's their fault?

[JDavid25]

@the_face_of_god Not solely "White" peoples fault.. But the system in which they created.. Because corporations support more gangsta rap, that's what hit the airways.. And then ended up glamorizing the lifestyle, whereas before there was more of information from the outside on how the system created what was/is called the "ghetto"... Dude people don't just become born and make themselves outta violent criminals, or drug users.. It's a product of an unfair environment..

[JDavid25]

@the_face_of_god From the inside..**

[mattdzz]

@JDavid25 There are still prosperous black communities, and none of them ascribe to "thug" culture. This was your own doing, your own response, and tbh all-black communities in Africa don't typically do any better; so, good luck blaming whites, even in places without a history of colonialism.

[Starrk]

"Africa don't typically do any better; so, good luck blaming whites, even in places without a history of colonialism."

Why are you bringing up Africa? Most of the countries in Africa are barely 50 years old. I don't think anybody expects them to be world-class locations considering they're still infants in relation to other countries.

[mattdzz]

@Starrk They've also had 5-6000 years of history since the first civilizations in Mesopotamia to do something, and they haven't. This doesn't bode well to any assertion of equivalent intelligence.

[Starrk]

They did. They built various Kingdoms/Empires. Ancient Egypt was a prosperous Empire when Europe, the Americas and most of Asia was still a backwater cesspool.

But I'm not talking about 6000 years ago. That's irrelevant in 2019. I'm talking about modern Africa which consists of countries. The concept of "countries" which include a centralized government within a sovereign location, common laws, common culture, a standing army, and other properties is very recent to Africa. Prior to WWII, the majority of Africa was divided up into colonies. It wasn't until the 1950s/1960s that these African colonies were free from their oppressors and allowed to run as sovereign entities.

So like I said before, it's no surprise that Africa is in the state it's in. Majority of the countries there are simply too young. You don't expect a newborn to be able to drive a car like an adult. Well, guess what you also shouldn't expect a country like Mozambique, which is 44 years old to be on the same playing field as the UK which is over 300 years old.

[mattdzz]

@Starrk Egypt wasn't black, period. We're talking sub-Saharan (i. e. black) Africa.
There were no notable kingdoms in Sub-Saharan Africa. Moving on...
I get you're talking about modern nation-states, a la the Treaty of Westphalia (1648); so, thank you for dumbing it down for the bystander, but I'm beyond educated in the matter.
Lastly, the United States was founded in 1776, add 44 years and you get 1820, where we already defeated an invasion by the Worlds Superpower (i. e. Britain), population went from 2.5 Million to 9.6 Million; New York, which had a population around 30,000 jumped to 123,000; we invented in that time period the Cotton Gin, suspension bridge, and an early refrigerator (among other things); Benjamin Franklin and other scholars/ philosophers were changing the paradigm of governance, which was to transcend to Europe, etc etc...

[Starrk]

"Egypt wasn't black, period. We're talking sub-Saharan (i. e. black) Africa."

No, we were talking about Africa in general. Stop trying to shift the goalpost. Egypt was a mixed civilization that was ruled by various North African ethnicities including the Black Nubians, who reigned over the 25th Dynasty of Egypt. Also, there were notable Kingdoms in Southern Africa. Just because they weren't at the level of the Roman Empire doesn't mean they weren't significant for that region.

As for the subtle comparison between the US and Africa countries, you're comparing apples to oranges.

So I guess we're going to ignore the fact that Britain had been colonizing the US since 1607 slowly turning it into an extension of Britain. By the time the US became it's own country in 1776, it had been growing tremendously thanks in part to Britain's influence for the past 169 years. The countries in Africa (with the exception of South Africa) were never intended to be a livable secondary location for Europeans nor was it meant to be an extension of Europe like Canada, New Zealand, Australia, and the US was.

Europe saw Africa as a location that was wealthy in resources. Displacing the population in Africa and turning it into Europe 2.0 was never the intent because there no way in hell they could displace the entire African population. The only plan they had was to subjugate the population and steal their resources and get the hell the out of there.

[JDavid25]

@Starrk 😎👍.. Right on..

[mattdzz]

@Starrk I'm not shifting the goalpost; by your logic Europe is Asia, not a distinct region. Moving on.
We're speaking of BLACK people, not just anybody from the continent of Africa, which entails a focus on SUB-SAHARAN Africa.
It's certainly an understatement saying the assorted "kingdoms" arising in Sub-Saharan Africa don't reach the level of Imperial Rome... Just like saying a rusty tricycle doesn't reach the level of a Bugatti... Were there "kingdoms" with ruling families? Sure. Did they have large, for ancient times, population centers, metropolitan urban areas, structured bureaucracy, wide-spread resource allocation, economic design, philosophy beyond animism? No, in each and every regard.
So, it's not a stretch to postulate they (i. e. black societies, as it would be a misnomer to claim they were "civilizations") were extremely primitive, with no indication they were even within a millennia of the development elsewhere (e. g. the Ganges river valley, China, Mycenae Greece, Minoa, etc...).
So, I guess we'll ignore the fact (eye roll) that South Africa was "founded" by the Dutch in 1647, and administered well until the transition to the British, who created the one light in the dark continent until the ANC (i. e. black Africans) took control of the country, and summarily ran it into the ground. Please ask me for various socio-economic indicators on the fall of this former BRICS country, because I've written about the self-destruction at length.
Selective memory much? Well, South-Africa provides a perfect test cast on the capability of black people to administer their own nations, even after being technologically and politically modernized by European nations, and the results are telling.
Perhaps you have greater insight into which colonies the imperial powers wished to make a "part" or an offshoot of their own?

[Starrk]

It is shifting the goalpost. You originally said Africa which last time I check was a continent. When I challenged your misconception, you backpedaled and said: "Oh no I was talking about Sub-Sahara Africa". And then you have the audacity to chastise me because of your error in conflating a continent with a region within said continent. Also, your analogy was a strawman and it was trash.

"We're speaking of BLACK people, not just anybody from the continent of Africa, which entails a focus on SUB-SAHARAN Africa."

It doesn't matter whether or not we were speaking about Black people or not. You originally brought up an entire continent [Africa]. I responded appropriately to your assertion.

There's an old adage that says "It's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt". You sir with this previous post of your just showed how uninformed and ignorant you are about a topic you swear you're an expert on. First of all your definition of what makes an advanced ancient civilization is highly subjective.

Second, you diminished the importance of various African civilizations simply because they did not adhere to the vision of western ideologies of what makes a great ancient civilization. Well, let me be the first to tell you that your cultural relativism is not only blinding you, but you are also incorrect. First of all, Sub-Sahara Africa has had many prosperous civilizations. Among these were the Aksumite Empire, Ajuuran Sultanate, and the Ethiopian Empire in East Africa, as well as the Ghana Empire, the Mali Empire, and the Songhai Empire in West Africa.

[Starrk]

As for South Africa, I have no idea why you're trying to change the subject to a country that was flawed from the beginning in an attempt to prove your point. This shows me your reaching for a lifeline.

South Africa is a country with so much historical emotional baggage that I'm not surprised it's in the state its in. South Africa's fate wasn't sealed with the ANC. The ANC is just like Trump's election in that they are both symptoms of a greater issue that was caused years ago (In South Africa's case, decades ago). South Africa's fate was sealed the moment the Dutch/British decided it would be a good idea to build a country on top of a system were you subjugate and oppress a demographic that makes up 80% of the population (on the basis of their race) simply so the quality of life of the white 20% remained exemplary. This system was flawed from the beginning, but its success was propped up due to the support of the international community. Once that support ended, the facade of prosperity ended quickly.

The US is still dealing with the residual effect of Jim Crow which was outlawed almost 60 years ago. So I'm not surprised that South Africa is still struggling in dealing with the effect of a flawed system that just ended 25 years ago.

[mattdzz]

@Starrk Now you're just kicking up dirt, and trying to make a rudimentary attempt at calling bs due some logical fallacy, via the nomenclature I used. The ORIGINAL argument was in regard to how blacks do (which is why it matters), and I pointed to Black Africa/ Sub-Saharan Africa, etc. (if I used a colloquialism, i. e. Africa, god forgive me). Everything you said in the first response is simply arguing semantics.
And it didn't take you long to turn ad hominem (e. g. "uninformed," and "ignorant"), which is what your type typically does when someone doesn't ascribe to the (false) dogma of: European countries hurt them; so, now they have an excuse ad infinitum. Because anyone who doesn't think like you must be somehow UNINFORMED, of IGNORANT of some fact/ knowledge you "enlightened" people are privy to...
So, let's talk expertise here: you used cultural relativism incorrectly. That would entail that I believe each culture deserves to be measured by its own standards. The opposite, ethnocentrism, begins with a model with which to measure; in this case I used Europe/ China/ and South-Asia (certainly not a small sample set).
You also used strawman incorrectly, but if I were to point to all the lapses in the attempted eloquent prose on behalf of a novice I'd be here all day... But one more is worth discussing:
My assertions are Eurocentric (i. e. ethnocenric, not relativist), and the rationale is that in measuring city-states/ the polis/ or civilizations, subjectivity gives way to effectiveness. Europeans created more effective (arguably more impressive) civilizations as they were able to conquer even peer civilizations, let alone the primitive people of SUB-SAHARAN Africa.
Regardless of that flailing you did, you can make all the excuses you want, but it doesn't help black people any.

[Starrk]

"Now you're just kicking up dirt, and trying to make a rudimentary attempt at calling bs due some logical fallacy, via the nomenclature I used."

I'm not kicking up dirt. I said what I had to say. You insisting on defending yourself is why this topic keeps getting brought back up. But like you said, it's all semantics.

Calling you ignorant and uninformed may be an example of ad hominem, but guess what? it's rooted in truth. Calling a KKK member a hateful person would also be an example of an ad hominem despite it being 100% true. Your attempt in discrediting Ancient African civilizations was trash and I rightfully called you out on it and challenged it. If you have an issue with that, then go educate yourself and stop pretending to be knowledgable in something you clearly are not.

As for my usage of cultural relativism, yes, I did use it in the wrong context but as far as calling you out for employing a strawman, I was correct in my usage. Your analogy was a strawman. Surely you did not forget saying the following "By your logic Europe is Asia and not a distinct region". Which makes me wonder, what logic of mines are you referring to because I stated nothing that would produce such a conclusion.

"Europeans created more effective (arguably more impressive) civilizations as they were able to conquer even peer civilizations, let alone the primitive people of SUB-SAHARAN Africa."

And this proves your position that Ancient African Civilizations were not advanced in their own right because?

[demonics]

1. Prior to Jim Crow blacks were fast approaching parity with whites regarding economic productivity.
2. Citation needed.
3. Black women dominated secretarial, filing, and clerical work starting in the 60's. If anything the individuals most likely to put a black man away were black women. The face of the company, the person who's recommendation determines whether you get hired or not, more often than not... was a black woman. Jailed for what? Were jobs illegal for black men to get?
4. Lighter skin tones being seen as superior predates modern civilization. Prior to the discovery of caucasoids, Asian cultures valued pale skin, as tan skinned individuals didn't have the luxury of biding their time indoors, taking in the arts and literature. Blacks have the highest rates of in group preferences, followed by Asians, the hispanics, THEN whites. In fact a significant majority of whites in recent years have developed an out group preference

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[Guanfei]

That's just simple: most Asian communities have a work and merit culture. They aim for the higher status, the best job, and they know the best way to achieve it is working hard. It's not just a mentality, it's really a culture. Also, when they fail, they don't just blame other people, cry for any reason and wait for others to give them stuff. They just work harder. And finally, they're integrated, not because we integrated them, but because they did it themselves.

Black communities, and not just in the US, have both a victimization and a gang culture. They're doing worse because they think that they'll just have to cry about a made up racism and people will give them shit for free without any effort. They also over represented in crime stats everywhere, And for many of them, succeeding in a "white country" is just kneeling before white people, and they're rather do bad than letting their community think they're "whitening" their minds.
The stereotypes you're talking about are negative, yes. But they're true.
And that's the thing, black people are responsible for their own situation, but refuse to admit it and they prefer to blame evil white people and ask for free stuff.

Truth is, your take is wrong, because again you're trying to make up excuses to blame other people for black people failures. You're actually perpetuating the exact same thing that bring down black people in the US. Instead of push them to work, get what they want by their own will, what you do is saying "yeah people are mean and racists and that's why we can't succeed and will never succeed".
The stereotypes about Asians are positive, but true. They're hard working people. And this is why they do better than not only black people, but any community too. And if, instead of shitting on them and crying, you'd follow their example, you'd have much more success.
But judging by you whiny take, that's not gonna happen soon.

[flowers70]

Mmm like the above user said black americans and Africans have an entirely different work ethic just like most foreigners compared to any American. White American kids are spoiled and rich with a silver spoon. Mean while foreign caucasian kids are scholars in school because the opportunities in their homeland is much scarce. Instead of making it a black vs Asian issue you need to address foreigners vs American citizens. Sounds like you're picking on a specific racial group and profiling. Very ignorant I may say.

[lokooo]

Have you ever been visited to malls

[flowers70]

Africans are highly intelligent @apope

[flowers70]

@Pink2000 white people start so much unnecessary drama. How can we get this removed

[flowers70]

White people are so messy😩and obsessed with black people.

[Kavya190]

When I lived in the US, I had African classmates who were very intelligent. A Nigerian classmate of mine would always get top grades. However, African Americans lacked the same drive. There’s a big cultural differences between Black Americans and African immigrants from Africa.

[Apope16]

I think the lack of drive is both cultural and parenting. Asians both in parenting and culture emphasize hard work and achievement. But you need 2 parents to bring that home. Blacks often dont have that.

[flowers70]

@apope people from africa are highly intelligent and scholars. You're just being a racist and nitpicking on a particular group due to your ignorance

[Apope16]

@flowers70 first, I am Black and native American. Im not racist. Second, you can bring up other exceptions all you want but numbers dont like. Almost 1 out of every 3 black men in America wind up in jail. Mother's are raising children, fathers are in jail. Not all. But statistically thats real

[Babygirl_S]

That could be true because the African immigrants in India are very hard-working and intelligent.

[flowers70]

Yes a lot of foreigners are highly intelligent. you're black and this ignorant? hmm concerning I dont believe for one minute you're black.

[Kaazsz]

It’s called capitalism. And every time a group of people install enough elements of capitalism they flourish. It wasn’t long ago the Asian countries were poor and suffering too.

The African countries suffer from a hatred of the idea of a free market. They believe in socialism because that’s what they were taught is right. And they will continue to suffer until they reverse that mentality, just like every country that has implemented some form of private property and at least somewhat free market.

But for some reason nobody wants to admit it. We all hate capitalism because we are ignorant and stupid. And when capitalism raises us out of poverty we vote to get rid of it because we are idiots. The race of the people doesn't matter. It’s the ideas implemented that matter.

[Nzojkah]

Amen and thank you

[sageevalentinee]

I live in the UK, where conditions are different. I have a very positive opinion of my black peers who are smart. I know a Nigerian girl who is so clever. I don't want to generalise, but, people with Asian mums, like mine, or even russian mums, struggle a bit. Every girl needs an economics/medicine degree, play grade 8 piano/violin, cook like a masterchef, be slim and sufficiently beautiful. Marry a rich good looking husband, have cute babies and buy a big house and a yacht. Only then will my mother be somewhat proud of me.

Even then she might say when you were 13 I remember you fcked this up blahabalhaab. It's a blessing a curse to have such a mother. I appreciate all her good guidance, I'd be lost without it. But will also be slightly easier on my kids. I will have high expectations, but I won't be picky to the point where they want to jump off a cliff. (She is picky to the point of what kind of underwear I wear and how long my nails are) urggghh still adore her though! <3

[hahahmm]

Don’t agree with your 4th point. There are black people who moved straight from poverty in other countries & into the U. S. who became multi millionaires after only 5-10 years.

As to your other points, maybe. I grew up in a part of the county where a lot of black people are successful. These black people don’t encourage/celebrate/glorify the kinds of activities that hold people back.

But ultimately if a person wants a better life they have to stop listening to the people telling them that they’re helpless victims & focus more on doing things for themselves.

[VikingBlood86]

It's more about culture than anything. Asians were put into internment camps in America back in WW2. Most Asians weren't allowed to be citizens or vote more recently than blacks. So they saw their "fair share" of discrimination.

The harsh jail punishments for black drug offenses were pushed by black leaders at the time to dissuade blacks from using drugs.

The percentage of single parent black families is way too high to be accounted for simply by jail. The single mother household skyrocketed (for all races) once the government started telling mothers "you can get more money if the father isn't in the home" and it hit the black community the hardest.

At this point, it's a culture issue, not a race issue.

[ronaldo75]

Asian communities have the following

-2 Parent homes.
-Masculinity
-Frugal, thrifty spending
-Family-owned small businesses
-Kids that have homework finished before dinner and are in bed before 9pm
-Parents that help with homework and check grades
-Little drug use
-Family loans for businesses and college
-Zero teen pregnancy or teens more concerned with fucking than with school grades
-Property ownership
-Very little victim complex against whites
-Strong habit of saving money for years

[White-American89]

Generally Asian have a greater emphasis on their children's education and push them to do better in life than they did making major foresight and sacrafices.
The Jews are pretty much the same as are middle easterner Muslims ( the ones that get green cards proving our immigration policy is correct compared to Europe's). Another immigrant group to watch is Nigerians who do very well when they come to America.

[SueAnon84]

In California, Asians USED to be more popular. Now I think it's the other way around since there are a lot more Mexicans here due to anchor babies and illegals being allowed to stay here! They used to probably be equal but now it's more Whites, then Mexicans, THEN the Asians and Middle Easterners (including Persia), THEN Blacks! I wish it was back to the way it was in the 80s and 90s when Asians were the "it"! But I don't know! For some stupid reason (which makes me VERY angry!) Mexicans became more popular! I think like I said, it's our neighbor and due to births - a lot of them through the years AND the Mexicans hiring other Mexicans thing!

[MrNameless]

Asian culture is very different from African American culture. Asian culture tends to be very family oriented and puts a big emphasis on education and succeeding from school.

I say African American, because a lot of African immigrants come from educated backgrounds and really prioritize education when they imigrate to the states or other countries. They don't take it for granted.

Honestly it all comes down to how educated your parents are and how they raise you, as well as the environment you grew up in. If your parents are educated and push you for college, especially something like STEM, and they take you to decent schools/neighboods, you're likely to be more well off in the future.

[BattleKitten77]

Simple they dont call criminal shit their culture. They dont blame all their problems so their race. Boo fucking hoo. Everyone body hates me nobody likes me so i will just go eat mud.
Lastly they bust their ass for their kids to be educated not act like assholes and break the law. Being educated in the black community is shamed.

[jayden888]

Is being educated in the black community shamed, really? Where are you getting that from?

[Babygirl_S]

They don't shame it. They even go to different countries for education (even India) and have to deal with racists.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@jayden888 In the US it is. I've heard many blacks mention how if you speak proper English or try to get good grades you get accused of "acting white"(which apparently is a bad thing. Of course it would be racist if you accused a white person of acting black but for some reason the inverse is acceptable).

[BattleKitten77]

@jayden888 Black people. Listen to Candice Owen Larry Elders or Tommy Sotomayor

[BattleKitten77]

@hellionthesagereborn yep

[BattleKitten77]

@Babygirl_S Bullshit. Name one person. This sure as hell is not common

[Jersey2]

@jayden888 blacks do shame others for getting educated and bettering themselves. They are jealous and are afraid of being left behind. They say “your’re acting white”. Some say it is the crab syndrome in which if a crab is climbing out of a basket, other crabs will attach their claws and pull it back down.

[Apope16]

@jayden888 I've personally experienced scapegoating and shame for being a book nerd or not a brotha. The girls dont think its hot until later in life when money is needed. Before that most black chics gave me so much hate. Now that I have a graduate degree they are all up on me.

[jayden888]

Hope that changes. I think race is so deeply woven into the identity of Americans that blacks don't find enough examples to live by.

[JDavid25]

"Black" people criticize other "Black" people the most.. We realize our shortcomings, and always look to correct them.. A lot of "Black" people do value education, and providing for them family.. You sound like a person lookin from the outside on in, and listenin to some ignorant people like Leslie and Tommy who just sound like disgruntled "Black" people who grew up feelin rejected by other "Black" people..

[hellionthesagereborn]

@JDavid25 Well statistics actually back that blacks don't value education as they have a far greater probability of dropping out at every level then any other group, far less likely to get a college education (with the exception of black women who are more likely (probably due to several different factors (like having the greatest access to scholarship, grant, and loan programs)). They are also slightly less likely to read books then whites are etc. So yes we do know for an absolute fact that the black community does not value education in any significant way. Instead of trying to defend the bad behavior perhaps you should try changing it, because pretending like its not happening is not going to fix the problem it will only worsen it.

[JDavid25]

@hellionthesagereborn "Instead of trying to defend the bad behavior perhaps you should try changing it, because pretending like its not happening is not going to fix the problem it will only worsen it." You say I was tryna defend it and then that I was pretending that it didn't happen.. 😂.. Which is it? And I did say that "Black" people criticize "Black" people the most.. You seem obsessed wit it, so why don't you try to come in and change things since you seem to be so into the topic? Change takes time when you are a group that has been put down by the system time and time again..

[JDavid25]

@hellionthesagereborn But at the same time change is happenin.. There's always people from ththe same neighborhood havin back to school block parties, and whatnot.. But people don't pay attention to that because y'all too busy lookin for ththe outside in..

[BattleKitten77]

@JDavid25 Fuck you lazy sack of shit. I am sick of the system keepin me doen lie. No other race on the planet has received as much help free programs and passes on criminal behavior than blacks. This is ehy you dont have shit and you never will. You are last place and yet everyone literally everyone is trying to help.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@JDavid25 You are defending it by denying it, you are trying to downplay it and suggest that its at the very least of equivalent occurrence to blacks valuing education (it is not as the data pointed out which is why you tried to argue the symantics and my phrasing instead of the argument presented). Yes you did say blacks criticize blacks, you also tried to dismiss any one else from pointing this out which is again, you trying to defend the people that do this by shutting down outside criticism. As for trying to fix it, who says I'm not? I just told you it was a problem, I gave you the statistical data, I am arguing for you to step up and admit their is a problem so it can be resolved. I do that for every one, I do this for my friends son who tries to make excuses for why he shouldn't bother with school, make sure he knows how stupid it was that he tried to belittle some one for getting good grades (because that is also a very common thing in the black community, tear every one else down because you can't be bothered to build yourself up). So that is precisely what I am doing, I am doing what I can to remove any excuse the black community has for its failings because that is what is destroying them, excuses and nothing else.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@JDavid25 That's why you blame the system never mind that blacks just seventy years ago where far more successful then blacks today. They where far more likely to graduate school, far more likely to go to college, far more likely to own a business, far more likely to be employed and far more likely to have an intact family (which is the issue within the black community, intact families are far and few in-between). Its not the system that currently affords you more opportunities then any other group, its not slavery that every single group in the world experienced and ended over a 150 years ago, its not jim crow that ended almost 70 years ago, its not secret racism of today (despite the fact that a black man was voted into the highest office in the country and arguably the most powerful position in the world, twice by those same people you claim are trying to oppress you (yet have no actual proof of such occurences (because its not happening)), its nothing more then your own excuses. You have an excuse for everything and that's what's killing the black community, how can you take charge of your lives when your to busy handing over power to every one else? Your constantly making excuses for why every single other person in the world needs to fix your community and your life (and if you don't believe me just look at your comment demanding that I fix it for you (and sadly I've probably done more then you or many other blacks have to do so)). Blacks in the US are anti education (Nigerian and ghanian americans flourish because they are very pro education, that's why they out earn most other ethnic groups including most white ones, in the US. Same goes for Asians.), fix the problem and you fix your communities, its as simple as that but for that to happen you need to admit their is a problem instead of trying to stop people from "airing the dirty laundry" of the black community.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@JDavid25 So stop looking for your white savior and start owning your own shit because that's the only way to fix your life and your community. I mean if you want me to be your daddy I can do that, I can treat you like a child if that is truly what you want but when I give you a curfew, when I demand straight A's when I demand that you get a job and you bust your ass all day every day your going to claim I'm a racist for it (because that's your only defense). So suck it up step up and take responsibility because white people are not magic, we can't just make you start acting like adults, we can't just give you the lives you want you have to actually make those lives your self. And don't bother with the "your racist/privileged white /every one is out to get me/us. . . etc. etc. etc." arguments, they are utter bullshit and quite frankly they just make you look weak.

[Curmudgeon]

Except that you have #2 and #3 exactly backwards. The destruction of their family nucleus, and thus fatherless children more prone to crime and promiscuity, began *before* 1970. And so, in spite of discrimination being much less than it was and practices like "red-lining" being banned by 1964, and even "Affirmative Action" introduced, they have fallen behind.

[jainsharma]

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निकलते है जब कभी
सच्चा दिल लेकर
दुनिया के बाजार में ।
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खरीद दार जमाने में
एक नही मिलता
मगर खिलवाड़ करने के लिए
लोग खड़े है कतार में ।।
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तो क्या समझे हम 🤔🤔
प्यार रहा नही दुनिया में , ,
या दम नहीं रहा, अब प्यार में ।।
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🚩 डॉ राधे शर्मा आचार्य
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[Curmudgeon]

I did my Hindi to English translation, and:

Whenever you leave
True hearted
In the world market.
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At the time of purchase
Don't get one
But to mess with
People are standing in queue.
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So what should we understand?
Love is no more in the world,
Or can't stand, now in love.
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Dr. Radhey Sharma Acharya

[Apope16]

Thats just not true. Before 1970 most black families were strong 2 parent households who wore shirts and ties. They went to church.

[Curmudgeon]

Check the stats. Yes, since 1970 it has gotten worse, but 1960 had significantly *more* strong 2 parent households who wore shirts and ties and went to church.

[Apope16]

Lets accept your argument. So what?

[Hypnos0929]

The war on drugs is one of the reasons the post Nixon black communities got worse. People still are in denial that the war on drugs was a racist front to arrest black leaders (despite the fact a Nixon administration worker went on record to say it was used to attack black people and hippies).
Prior to the Civil Rights movement "crime" included loitering, false crimes made up by the police, and EWB (existing while black). I'm not saying black people committed no crimes but crimes could include small things like being in the wrong neighborhood, walking in the wrong store, self defense from evil mobs, loitering, just being around police, etc.

[Liam_Hayden]

I suggest that you watch Walter Williams: Suffer No Fools. He talks about his life and how government intervention has destroyed the Black Family.

Also, your #4 is not entirely accurate. The Chinese suffered great prejudice in the United States. And of course Japanese-Americans were put in concentrati... internment camps during WWII.

[NerdInDenial]

Asian men are emasculated and Asian women are fetishized. There were many laws against Asian immigration as well. So, it's not as if Asians have not faced adversity. Also, the worst stereotype for Asians, especially Asian men, is the reputation of having a small penis. So, do blacks honestly have it worse than Asians?

[Babygirl_S]

Since their women have it better than black women so the damage is halved.