A Student's Opinion On The UK's New Immigration System

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A Law Students Opinion On The UKs New Immigration System

Brexit date has passed, we've now entered the transition period, and home secretary Priti Patel has introduced a new points-based immigration system to the UK.

The new immigration system, focuses more on allowing "high-skilled" workers to come to the UK, and it will help cut drastically "low-skilled" workers coming to the UK. The new system will be based on points and in order to enter the UK an immigrant from any country will have to score 70.

To accquire 70 points an immigrant could have any of the following:

A job with an approved sponsor - 20 points

Appropriate skills to match that job - 20 points

The ability to speak English - 10 points

Secure a salary at least £25,600 - 20 points

Secure a job with a labour shortage - 20 points

PhD in a science subject - 20 points

My Opinion On The New Points-Based Immigration System:

On the surface this new points-based immigration system may look like a good idea. For example, right now, we have a shortage in the cyber secruity sector, so with this system we will be able to obtain more cyber secruity workers. But under the old immigration system, we could have done that anyway.

Priti Patel states: "it will mean we will have a global immigration system, that doesn't discriminate between EU and non-EU"

But the thing this, the immigration system we had before didn't discriminate against non-EU immigrants. People from all around the world were still able to immigrate to the UK even whilst we were apart of the EU. Sure, we had "free-movement" meaning that anyone from an EU country could come to the UK without a visa, and anyone from the UK could go to any EU country without a visa.

But overall, this new points-based system is more discriminatory than our old one. Because it's discriminating against the poorer people of other countries that could still contribute to Britian.

We have a shortage of 10,000 fruit pickers, a shortage of 120,000 social care workers, and a shortage of truck drivers. The UK unemployment rate is at 3.8% meaning, most people in the UK are employed. Priti Patel states that there are 8 million economically inactive people in the UK who can fill those places but those 8 million economically inactive people are students, full-time carers, pensioners and disabled people. Can we really expect a student to do those jobs? Students can only work part-time if they work, so that doesn't completely solve the problem. Full-time carers, well the clue is in the name "full-time" they're unemployed because they have to give all their time looking after a disabled person, how can you expect them to do those jobs? Pensioners have served their time in our country, they've retired- should we really expect people to come out of their retirement? And disabled people, can we really expect disabled people to do such physical and stressful work?

Migrants usually did jobs like fruit picking, and social care jobs because nobody else wanted to do them. By doing these jobs they benefitted our economy- now who is going to fill these positions?

Not to mention, Priti Patel is mainly responsible for this points-based system. Well this system would have prevented her own parents from coming to the UK had it been in place when they came. So if this system was always in place, chances are, she wouldn't have been born here and she wouldn't be where she is today. I just find that really ironic.

Conclusion:

To be honest, I'm just thinking about how many of these working-class people who voted Conservative in the general election and are unemployed and/or retired are going to be happy working in fruit picking jobs, or in a social care job.

Anyway I hope you enjoyed this MyTake and...

Thank you for reading :)

A Student's Opinion On The UK's New Immigration System
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  • Waffles731

    "Can we really expect a student to do those jobs? Students can only work part-time if they work"

    Speaking from personal experience, as for the fruit pickers, if you can get to the job, College and University students are perfect for that kind of work.

    Honestly I think in the U. S at least, the shortage of Farm Laborers could be mitigated by employing college students, cause it was perfect for me when I did it.

    As for the other things,

    Yeah Brexit clearly fucked you guys over hard
    Is this still revelant?
    • True, may be able to- but there's still not enough of us to fufill that whole and every other market at a shortage.

    • Waffles731

      Yeah completely true

    • A labor shortage can mean higher wages. Take where I live, my parents pay a pittance to some Mexicans as gardeners, housekeeper, nanny etc and they do it because they need the money and there's a que of other Mexicans looking to do the same jobs possibly for less. So I guess if we have stricter immigration controls my parents will have to clean their own toilets lol.
      https://youtu.be/1iYp0X3wXdc

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  • Don't worry, all those people who voted brexit because foreigners are taking their jobs are queuing up to pick fruit. Seriously though as a farmer I've met quite a few foreign workers (mostly shearers) they see working abroad more as a bit of adventure more than anything else. Often they're only hired for short periods and paid cash in hand. I doubt brexit will stop them.
    Is this still revelant?
    • "Don't worry, all those people who voted brexit because foreigners are taking their jobs are queuing up to pick fruit."
      I know right, then when they see upper-class immigrants being invited into the country who are richer than them, they'll cry about why immigrants are richer than them.

      " Seriously though as a farmer I've met quite a few foreign workers (mostly shearers) they see working abroad more as a bit of adventure more than anything else"
      Oh you're a farmer? That's pretty cool I didn't know that. So has Brexit really affected you in terms of workers or not?

    • Not yet, we don't hire large numbers it's more one or two at shearing time and they can come from any where not just eu.

    • I suppose that isn't bad.

      My teacher knew a farmer and he said that Brexit affected the farmer he knew negatively because he employed lots of workers from the EU.

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  • NearlyNapping
    Well, I don't want to comment on the specifics of these points and their relative weight. However, the idea behind it is how many many countries do it. You are somehow making a determination about how valuable and needed a particular person is. Look at your commonwealth countries to see similar.

    "this new points-based system is more discriminatory than our old one"

    That's exactly what it's supposed to be. It's supposed to discriminate between people who fulfill a purpose, and people who don't. That's exactly the same thing that happens in the normal hiring process itself.

    "Can we really expect a student to do those jobs? "

    You are cherry picking. Students are not the only ones who are not working. Plus, there is nothing wrong with students doing those jobs. It's good for them.

    "Migrants usually did jobs... because nobody else wanted to do them"

    This is an old argument, but it's like a self-fulfilling prophecy. Migrants do certain unskilled jobs, and they do them cheap since there is an abundance of unskilled labor. That keeps the labor cost down low enough that others might not want the jobs. But if the migrants don't do the work, then the system will adjust until those jobs are filled by others. If that means higher wages and benefits, then that's what happens.

    The overall process is self adjusting. The original point system doesn't have to be set in concrete. It's a starting point that can be adjusted as needed. Even as-is, it's partly self adjusting without changing the point system itself.

    approved sponsor
    skills to match that job
    Secure a salary at least £25,600
    Secure a job with a labour shortage

    The above are all self-adjusting. If there is still a shortage of fruit pickers, then it will fall into one of the above categories.
    • "That's exactly what it's supposed to be. It's supposed to discriminate between people who fulfill a purpose, and people who don't."
      You eat fruit right? If not people you know eat fruit? You're 48 in 30-50 years you may find yourself in an elderly home. Those 'low-skilled' workers picked our fruit, drove our trucks, looked after our elderly.

      "You are cherry picking. Students are not the only ones who are not working. Plus, there is nothing wrong with students doing those jobs. It's good for them."

      No, you're the one cherry picking because note I said: " Can we really expect a student to do those jobs? Students can only work part-time if they work, so that doesn't completely solve the problem. Full-time carers, well the clue is in the name "full-time" they're unemployed because they have to give all their time looking after a disabled person, how can you expect them to do those jobs? Pensioners have served their time in our country, they've retired- should we really expect people to come out of their retirement? And disabled people, can we really expect disabled people to do such physical and stressful work?"

      And I only said this because Priti Patel stated there were 8 million economically inactive people yet the people she was talking about consisted of students, the disabled, pensioners and full-time carers. Migrants can do these jobs much more efficiently than all the demographics of people I listed above.

    • "But if the migrants don't do the work, then the system will adjust until those jobs are filled by others. If that means higher wages and benefits, then that's what happens."
      That may be so but the question is 'how' and will it be as efficient as when the migrants did so? Or will it collaspe or will it thrive? We don't know. You're 48. You've got another 17 years until retirement. Think about it- imagine you're an 80-year-old pensioner, would you really want to be called out to do fruitpicking jobs? Or social care jobs? You will have done your time working in this country And (god forbid) but imagine your health takes a turn for the worst. Would you want to be called out to do fruitpicking or would you rather a young strong able migrant does it?

    • You ignored everything I said.

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  • Catlover1999
    I think it’s way more sensible that the EU’s open border policy. It’s more secure, it delivers on the Tories’ & the leave campaign’s promise to reduce the number of people coming into the country and prevents companies exploiting migrants for cheap labour.
    • But who will do the jobs that migrants who were considered to be low-skilled workers were doing before?

      They paid migrants minimum wage because that's the minimum wage the Tories put in. Had Labour been voted in after the election, they would have been getting £10 an hour, thus, not being exploited.

    • People who already live here will probably do some of those low-skilled jobs such as students who need a first job. And the Tories have said that living wage will increase to £10.50 but that’s not the same as minimum wage which is currently at £6.15 for 18-20 year olds.

    • "People who already live here will probably do some of those low-skilled jobs such as students who need a first job"
      And which people living here do you think would be willing to do those jobs? That's the whole point why we invited immigrants over because people who already lived here weren't willing to do those jobs.

      "And the Tories have said that living wage will increase to £10.50"
      Okay firstly, the Tories "said" they haven't done. They've said a lot of shit doesn't mean they're going to implement it. And even then it's a copout because it's there but do you seriously believe that if businesses has the option between using a minimum wage or a living wage they're all going to choose the living wage?

      Honey.

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  • Sevenpointfive
    i think i get what you're saying but have you heard of a temp agency? the workforce is bigger than you think.

    i don't think anyone has a problem with immigrants other than this one thing. they take money and send it back to their families. they take money out of our system and it causes problems
    • "temp agency"
      Yes, but how many workers are there to fufill those? In Britain we have a 3.8% unemployment rate. And then you have to question why those people are unemployed and what jobs are they suitable for and will the ones which can work in these industries and are willing to be enough?

      "hey take money and send it back to their families."
      They put money in. And actually EU migrants put more in than they take out. And if they're earning their money, from whatever job they do, then I don't see a problem with them sending a proportion their money back to their home country to their families- they've earned their money they can do what they like with it.

    • i can only tell you what i know about our system and it's not good

  • Curmudgeon
    It's a great improvement, and the USA should follow suit. Skills over bogus "family reunification", which just allows chain migration of net takers. Hopefully the new Congress after this November will get on it.
    • It's really not a "great improvement" sure, it has it's upsides but also a lot of downsides.

      For example, the shortages we have right now concerning jobs. We have a 10,000 shortage of fruitpickers and an 120,000 shortage in social care. Immigrants who would be considered low-skilled by this new system, now can't fill these jobs.

      And the fact that Priti Patel suggested we get the economically inactive to fill these jobs is simply ridiculous. And as for the argument "get the unemployed to do them"
      Firstly, how many of the unemployed will be willing to do these jobs?
      Secondly, how many of the unemployed are suitable for these jobs i. e. someone with a certain
      criminal record may not pass a DBS check to work in social care or an unemployed disabled person may not be suitable for fruitpicking

      There are lots of factors we have to take into consideration. This system may good in some instances, for example, the cyber secruity field where we have a shortage of cyber secruity professionals, but in other fields it does damage like in the farming industry, the social care industry, the fruitpicking, the truck driving industry.

      And for certain things like truck driving especially and social care, people need training. That training takes time. For social care, a person who passes a DBS check may be able to train on the job, but no way for truck driving. There are far too many safety precautions and tests to let an unexperienced person train on the job.

      So I wouldn't describe this as great, with the problems it brings and questions it raises?

  • yucel_eden
    I’m from the UK

    This is what is needed for the people of this country, if it’s racist, which is not then so be it.

    this will raise the prices. I go to every shop in London and everyone working in it is European. Enough is enough. Kick them out.

    worst that will happen is unemployed people will step into these jobs.

    I hate people like you, you are traitors to this country
    • Okay, will you stand in the shop instead of a European you racist bastard?

    • "This is what is needed for the people of this country, if it’s racist, which is not then so be it. "
      Firstly I never said it's racist, I just think it's stupid. Because who's going to fill all the job shortages, which require low-skilled workers? See, Priti Patel suggested the economically inactive, and quite frankly, that's not okay.

      "this will raise the prices. I go to every shop in London and everyone working in it is European. Enough is enough. Kick them out."
      See, this is why I call you a racist bastard. Firstly you dumbass, you're European. Britain is in Europe. Secondly, I am sure that's hyperbole. Because yes, a lot of workers are European, but I do still see British born workers too.

      And what's wrong with a European doing a job in Britain? If they're in that job, then they must be best qualified because at the end of the day, employers don't really care about colour or ethnicity, they just care about who is best suited to the job to help improve their business and if that is a foreigner then so be it.

    • "worst that will happen is unemployed people will step into these jobs. "
      See, it's not that simple, maybe for fruitpicking it's somewhat that simple but not for the other areas of employment.

      See, the question you have to ask is 'who is unemployed?' Firstly a number of the unemployed will have criminal records. And those with criminal records may find it very difficult to get into a truck driving or social care job. A percentage of the unemployed will be disabled, so their disability may limit them from working in particular areas. A percentage of the unemployed will be graduates. Take law students for example, right now the job to law graduate ratio is 1:28. That means for every one job at a law firm there's 28 people applying and only one person will get that job, which leaves 27 graduates without a job. And I don't think someone with a £27,000 debt and who has been through 3 years of university will want to do a job such as social care, or fruitpicking, or truckdriving because that's not what they've qualified in. Some might, but I don't see the majority looking to those jobs.

      Then there's training. These places, where there are job shortages require training. For some things like social care, you can train on the job but not for truck driving and especially not HGV driving. There are so many safety regulations in that area, rightly so, because driving a HGV vehicle can be dangerous. And most people, do not pass their HGV driving test for the first time. How many of the unemployed are trained HGV drivers and are fit to study and take the tests?

      So really it's not as simple as putting the unemployed in as much as you would like it to be.

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  • AllThatSweetJazz
    People will step into those low skill jobs. Saying that people won’t do the job because they simply don’t want to is just wrong. Plain wrong. Besides having more jobs than workers is a positive for workers in general.

    If they’re unemployed then yes they’re going to be grateful for an opportunity to pick fruit. It sort of reads like you’re being sarcastic, but it don’t know.

    You can also reduce the need for social workers by reducing the problems they tend to.

    Yes, it does discriminate against poor people of other countries, what’s wrong with that? It’s not like they’re entitled to live in the UK. The point is to limit people coming in, naturally you’re going to look for the better people to bring in. Just because some foreign poor person could contribute doesn’t mean they’re going to get in when there’s an obviously more desirable worker also trying to get in and there’s a limited number of people being let in.

    It seems like you’re only describing positives, I don’t see the problem.
  • Trolloween
    Your argument is founded on the false idea that the UK is infinitely large. You're saying 'let in a billon people, some will be doctors and cyber security professionals and others can pick fruit'. Absolutely true, if you let in enough people some will benefit the economy. But we are a small island and we have a massive housing shortage already, so what's your solution? Build more houses? Where? Funded by who? Should we keep destroying the small amount of countryside we have left into ever increasingly larger cities and towns to sustain this growth?
    • Who said anything about billions of people? Nobody lets in billions of people, the UK's population is not at one billion please get your facts straight.

      And like it or not they are going to let these 'high-skilled' immigrants in. They will do jobs like cyber secruity and be Maths teachers considering we've a shortage of both. If you voted the Tories in the general election then you have no business complaining because this is what you voted for. That's how democracy works.

      If you read my article properly they're not going to let in fruitpickers, or 'low-skilled' workers, so chances are when you're a pensioner they'll make you go do the fruitpicking and hey, at least it'll be YOUR job :P

      We only have a housing shortage, it's not to do with overpopulation it's to do with lack of investment because these same Tories the public voted in for another 5 years are going to continue austerity and continue to not invest in deprived areas whilst giving themselves wage rises and tax cuts.

    • Trolloween

      No, they let in millions of people I was clearly being hyperbolic to prove a point that you have to have some kind of limit. I don't have a problem with letting in skilled workers, did I say I did? I also have no problem picking fruit or others doing it instead of working at McDonald's, what's wrong with these jobs? You're making strawman arguments and putting words in my mouth.
      OK explain this to me, how can we have a shortage of houses if the population isn't too high? Also to follow on from your investment point, you're saying we should be investing in more houses and my point was where do we build them? When do we stop building them? Do we just keep letting the population expand forever or do we at some point decide our tiny little island has enough? Also how do we pay off the trillions we have in debt if we keep borrowing more to build houses for immigrants to come here and pick some fruit? I don't see any sense in your points.

    • " You're making strawman arguments and putting words in my mouth."
      Okay, if others pick fruit instead of working at McDonalds then who will work at McDonalds?

      There is nothing wrong with doing these jobs. But to suggest the disabled, the students, the pensioners and the fulltime carers can and should do these jobs is just ridiculous. Not to mention the majority of the British public don't want to do these jobs, that's the reason why immigrants were called over to do these jobs.

      "OK explain this to me, how can we have a shortage of houses if the population isn't too high"
      It's other factors, not the population. The primary cause is the lack of new houses being built and as to where we build them well, property investors hold on to land where houses could be built, until the land reaches peak value. That's a problem in itself.

      " if we keep borrowing more to build houses for immigrants to come here and pick some fruit? I don't see any sense in your points. "
      You know, maybe if you didn't allow the rich to rip off the poor 24/7. They claim we don't have enough money for things we need yet they can bail out Richard Branson £2 billion for failing with the railways, MPs can give themselves payrises, hide their money in tax havens, give their own class tax cuts, give £1 billion to the DUP. They're playing you and so many other working-class Tories like a stupid fucking fiddle. How much are you going to condone them taking off of us?

      Don't you see what they're doing? They're using a smokescreen of immigration to make it look like that's the problem immigrants are to blame for the housing crisis sending out constant misinformation- but actually, immigrants put more into the economy than they take out.

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  • 1828ToastyTimothy
    Part of the problem where low-skilled jobs are concerned: kids in school are discouraged from pursuing the types of jobs where shortages exist. Perhaps, in government schools, the jobs where shortages of qualified workers exist are discouraged because governments want to increase immigration levels. I definitely think immigration levels need to be better managed; that likely means changes to other seemingly unrelated areas.
    • Well it depends what type of shortage you're talking about. For example, if we're talking about Cyber Secruity it's not that people are discouraged- it's a high paying job, it's that many people aren't qualified to teach it and lots of people don't understand it.

      However, if you're talking about something like fruit picking or truck driving, it's not really the schools that discourage it, it's more parents and the fact that those jobs are low-paying and not to mention some people do attach a social stigma to those jobs.

    • I don't fully disagree with these comments. That said, I remember being told in school, "You need that piece of paper", in reference to degrees being needed for employment opportunities. I was always directed to degree programs and university. Never really encouraged to pursue skilled trades, where there is currently a shortage in Canada.

  • Katerina_Belle
    No... Your point doesn’t make much sense.

    I think you’ve got the two different things confused.

    These job shortages you mention would (hopefully) be taken up by the unemployed (unemployed are officially defined as people actively seeking work)

    Economically inactive people are defined as those who are neither employed nor unemployed; they’re not in paid work, but they’re also not looking for a job or available to start work - nothing to do immigration but more so about social care funds.
    • "These job shortages you mention would (hopefully) be taken up by the unemployed (unemployed are officially defined as people actively seeking work)"
      "Hopefully"
      That says it all. With migrants coming from Europe we knew they'd fill those jobs now we can only "hope" that our unemployed will do so.

      "Economically inactive people are defined as those who are neither employed nor unemployed"
      Priti Patel said it, not me. It even states it in this article here:
      www.independent.co.uk/.../...ng-work-a9345151.html

      And yes it does have A LOT to do with immigration. Because you see, those 10,000 fruit pickers, those 120,000 social care workers- immigrants did a lot of those jobs. Now Priti Patel is suggesting that 8 million people deemed economically inactive can do those jobs despite a large proportion of those people being students, full-time carers, pensioners, and disabled people.

      So don't tell me, my points don't make sense when you clearly haven't educated yourself on this matter.

    • Before you call someone uneducated I urge you to open your mind and debate the topic with knowledge and not with stupidity by demeaning the other person.

      You do realise that unemployment is an issue in the UK? Although I say “hopefully” it makes more economical sense that British jobs are fulfilled by British people (now before you stupidly jump to conclusions - read why I think so) because unemployed people are fit for work right? So what happens when they can’t get work? They go on benefits (universal credit, income support etc) the taxpayers money then goes to these unemployed people who could work - if jobs are available - meaning it’s a cost to the government’s funds which could actually get resolved.
      Non British nationals are not entitled to government funding, so again it makes more sense for these jobs to be taken up UK’s unemployed population.

      I’m not saying migrants from Europe are bad for the country or that I’m against them, I actually voted to stay in the EU - but we have to work with what we have. The conservatives will be our government until the next general election so the only thing we can do is see if they fulfill their promises post Brexit.

      And your comment “With migrants coming from Europe we knew they'd fill those jobs” don’t be daft! This is simply untrue. No one can be guaranteed unless they have an employment contract. Unemployed non UK nationals is a problem in the UK and some ways this immigration plan has addressed this.

      Oh and word of advice, if you’re going to cite sources, use reliable sources and not biased new articles 👍 “Figure 4: The unemployment rate for non-EU nationals has been consistently higher than that for UK and EU nationals”

      www.ons.gov.uk/.../august2019

      This immigration plan isn’t just about the EU. It’s about the UK, social care funds and immigration as a whole.

    • Where did I call stupid? Just because someone isn't educated on a certain matter, it doesn't make them stupid it just makes them less knowledgable not stupid.

      Our unemployment rate is quite low right now, at 3.8% to be specific so yes, there will be some people to fill those jobs but not all the unemployed are fit to work.

      And Priti Patel suggested to get the 8 million economically inactive people to work- as I've said previously, those people consisted of students, full-time carers, the disabled and the pensioners. Students yes maybe, but they can only work part time- so that doesn't really fully solve the problem. And if you ask me, it's RIDICULOUS to think that the disabled, the pensioners, the fulltime carers can fill these positions.

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  • AllAmericanGirl99
    I often think about what my baby boomer grandfather talks about when he was growing up that a person could drift around the country working low skilled jobs and make a decent living, why because a shortage of labor meant that workers had to be paid a fair wage. My grandfather dropped out after highschool and spent a year working to pay for college.
    People are happy in any job provided they can pay their Bill's and look after their families.
  • SirRexington
    I have a bigger issue with "higher skilled" immigrants than low ones. Why? Because it's a tighter labor market. Instead of a British or US citizen (depending on the respective country) going to college, graduating and obtaining a job in a higher skilled field we give those positions away to foreigners. I don't approve of that. Its a big issue here in the States.

    What's wrong with picking fruit? Its a true to time job that is always needed, it's honest work and it's among nature. For a lot of people that could be good for them. And let's not shame social care positions.
    • ". Instead of a British or US citizen (depending on the respective country) going to college, graduating and obtaining a job in a higher skilled field we give those positions away to foreigners. I don't approve of that. Its a big issue here in the States."

      See, a reason why British students are deciding to not go to university is because, university equals a lot of debt. Even me, as somebody who has wanted to go to university for as long as I can remember- right now, I'd rather get an apprenticeship, and many other students are thinking the same. And the problem with apprenticeships is, they're really competitive to get. For one apprenticeship about 30 students are applying and only one student can get the apprenticeship. So what happens to the other 29? Some will go to university and accept being saddled with a debt, and some will just get a job and work their way up.

      "What's wrong with picking fruit?"
      There's nothing wrong with it. But what I am saying is we have a shortage of fruitpickers, and you cannot expect the economically inactive to do these jobs. I mean realistically the only people who could do these jobs who fit under "economically inactive" is students, but even then, students can only work part-time so that doesn't fully solve the problem.

    • That's why affordable education is important, that's why Bernie is so popular. He has plans to tackle this issue. Do I 100% agree with his education plan? No. But I support it more than anyone elses. Yang had a better plan on affordable education I will say.

      And I greatly disagree with the assumption that picking fruit is largely a market for student workers. I have no clue where you got that idea from

    • "That's why affordable education is important, that's why Bernie is so popular. He has plans to tackle this issue. Do I 100% agree with his education plan? No. But I support it more than anyone elses. Yang had a better plan on affordable education I will say. "

      I completely agree with you on that one. I personally do believe student debt should be scrapped altogether, if the first 13 years of school education are free, then what's wrong with making the last four also free? Yes, the taxpayer pays, but I don't see the taxpayer complaining about paying tax to send kids to school for the first 13 years of the education I doubt it would make a huge difference if the taxpayer paid for the whole 16/17 years of their education.

      And anyway, it would benefit them, because these kids will grow up to be doctors, nurses, lawyers, etc and help the economy and help even provide them a service once their education is done rather than there being a shortage of certain professions.

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  • englisc
    Job shortages often happen because people don't want to do the work in the conditons they'd have to work in for the amount of pay they'd receive. The reason certain people want to encourage mass immigration is to import cheap labour, people who are willing to work for peanuts, which drives down wages and ensures that the conditions of the workers are not improved in a way that would incentivise more people to take those jobs. It makes no sense to claim to care about the working class while also arguing for mass immigration of unskilled workers.
  • alance99
    Nice Mytake, pros and cons of this policy will be better known with time
    • I suppose so, but this is just what I'm questioning and pointing out based on statistics.

  • irrationally97
    It's stupid. How are you supposed to get sponsored for a job or secure one if you aren't eligible to work in the UK because you don't have citizenship? Why is knowing English only 10 points behind having a PhD? Why don't Masters students or degree holders in general get any points? How do you determine what skills you need to match a job?
  • Gedaria
    Nice take.
    But why should the country be open to any body who wants to take advantage of the the country.
    The fruit picking use to be by young locals. As a young lad I went out to pick potatoes carrots , peas , even most berries. The more we picked the more money we got.
    If my memory fails me a lot of the above was killed off by the EU.
    Plus most veg and fruit can be mechanically picked.
    My last question is how is it cheaper to import the above than grow it local?
  • tartaarsaus
    True. Regardless how you spin immigration systems (like being very open or more restrictive for lower wage workers), it’s gonna be a negative thing for various groups in the nation, just like with most things (such as trade).

    That said, obviously outcome ought to be weighted and some things have a priority over other stuff. Like trade can lead to net gains, which can then be re-distributed to help those hurt by trade.

    But yeah, this thing sounds like it could be a problem in some ways. I can recall that the Poles did lots of that work before Brexit such as fruit-picking, which became more problematic since Brexit.

    However, the eventual gravity of the situation and actual impact will obviously just be uncovered rather slowly over the coming years (assuming this thing is passed)
    • True, immigration systems can never be perfect there's always going to be some group affected negatively. But I feel like this one will do more harm than good in some instances.

      Yes, lots of Polish people did do work in Britian such as fruitpicking, nursing, truck driving- things which others weren't willing to do, so I don't really see what problem people had with them doing jobs like accusing them of "taking/stealing jobs" but at the same time, the same people accusing them of doing that weren't willing to do the jobs that they were doing. It's just nonesense.

      But like you said, we can only see what happens from here.

    • Yeah, some people accuse immigrants of stealing jobs whilst jobs done by many immigrants often are jobs they don’t wanna do. It’s pretty stupid

    • Yeah, so dumb.

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  • BasicBad
    Britain is trash. That’s why America whooped your pale white ass 250 years ago.
    • "Britain is trash."
      No actually, our government may be trash but a lot of the people aren't. And your American congress isn't any better, some would argue, it's even worse than ours.

      " America whooped your pale white ass 250 years ago"
      Literally makes no sense. Firstly I'm not white, I don't understand what being white has got to do with anything or why we have to bring colour into it at all- don't reduce the country to their colour because A) That's racist B) We're a multicultural society.

      I really think you need to educate yourself, before you talk shit.

    • BasicBad

      Britain is so dumb they let its citizens vote Brexit. Enjoy you fish and chip wanker

    • This is too stupid for me lol

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  • goaded
    It's like an RPG! Are they the only criteria?

    It means the groups you highlighted would have to be able to speak English.

    A job with an approved sponsor - 20 points
    Appropriate skills to match that job - 20 points
    The ability to speak English - 10 points
    Secure a job with a labour shortage - 20 points

    It seems unnecessary for fruit pickers, and truck drivers, at least. I think English should be a requirement for social care workers, anyway (with extra languages a bonus).

    Oh, wait, "approved sponsor"? That's code for requiring a middle-man for hiring people, who will take an unearned cut of the immigrant's income, raising costs for small farms and businesses.
  • Iamagoodguy
    Fixing a problem doest mean the problem will go away people can still come and work if people here arnt doing the work as that creates a labour shortage Which means 20 points
    English speaking country so a lot easier to communicate so that's pretty important 10 points if they learn
    There is a job shortage so +20 points

    Labour shortage so they can demand a job with more than 25k meaning the average wage in that job if below that before would increase + 20


    Just with that you would get in having skills to match the job well why would you come here if you don't even know how to do that job extra 20 points

    These don't seem to be difficult it makes sure there coming to really work and they will get a job before coming so less time where they have to rely on the government


    Seems like it would mean we would get people filling the empty job markets and making it so they are more likely to have a job when they arrive
    • "Labour shortage so they can demand a job with more than 25k meaning the average wage in that job if below that before would increase + 20 "

      They have to be earning 25K in their own country before they come to the UK. And for a lot of these "low-skilled" jobs those countries simply do not pay much, at all, and it's not as simple as them demanding a job in their own country which pays 25K, because realistically they can demand it all they want but that won't happen. Usually the "low-skilled" workers come from poorer backgrounds in their countries, so it's highly unlikely they'll be earning 25K.

      And not all of these people who are considered to be "low-skilled" can speak English. Yes, many can, but not all of them. I've known lots who learn English when they come to the UK. Then not all of these people in these countries will have a job but they'll have the skills.

      It's not as simple as you may believe.

    • Secure a salary at least £25,600 - 20 points

      I must interprete that differently to you has that makes me think secure a salary in this country of at least £25,600

      The English one I agree with what you say because a lot won't know it but I have to ask do they have to be fluent in it or understand it and be able to respond even if they can't do it well

    • I apologise I got something wrong. It is to secure a salary of £25.6K in this country, thanks for correcting me.

      But realistically, they're not going to start putting minimum wage jobs such as fruitpicking at £25,600, even if there is a shortage. If they were going to do that or had any intentions of doing that, they would have said so. But instead what the government has suggested, is getting economically inactive people to fill these jobs, that means getting students, the disabled, the retired pensioners, the fulltime carers to do these jobs which is utterly ridiculous if you ask me.

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  • SuccessfulHornDog
    I like the concept.
    • What concept?

    • The concept that the people living in a country that is taking in immigrants come first. We can't just let everybody in without negatively impacting the people who already live there. Filtering candidates out for criminal behaviour, mental illness, communicable diseases, terrorism... is a good idea. Also, filtering candidates out based upon their ability to help the country is a good concept. These are the ones who should receive first consideration

    • It doesn't filter it out though does it. See, somebody who manages to score 70 points could still be a criminal, have a mental illness, have a communicable disease, a terrorist.

      "filtering candidates out based upon their ability to help the country is a good concept."
      I agree. But even those who are considered to be low-skilled workers help the country. A lot of the bus drivers are immigrants, truck drivers where there is a massive shortage and actually my dad was studying to be a truck driver a few months ago and it's actually a really stressful and skillful job, we have a shortage of social care workers, fruitpickers- and immigrants helped do those jobs.

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  • 1828avaava1828
    Nice take 🕷 👩
  • coolguy277
    There all mad.
  • SecretGardenBlood65
    Good take
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