Well said. about 3% of the population commit close to 50% of violent crime in the US. Mental health issues abound. Racial fires are stoked by the media pushing an agenda. Things are only going to get worse now.
In fact, what you normally hear is a call for universal background checks, which something like 90% of the country agrees with. But because 90% agrees, the republicans are quick to change the argument by arguing against things no one is calling for, like taking guns away or banning bump stocks. Soinds like a dumb trick but it works every time, thus ensuring a next time..
I've seen time and again on here where people say guns should be banned. Not background checks, but banned altogether. I don't have a problem with background checks. But that alone don't stop guns from getting into the hands of criminals. That's where there needs to be stricter punishments sentences for those that break the law. Whether it's being a criminal or selling a gun to a criminal
I donβt know whatβs up with people in the US that more are becoming mass shooters. Itβs more of how our culture affects mental health negatively that causes people to go crazy and shoot up a place
Totally agree. Certain politicians want to allow gun manufacturers to be sued if their gun is used to shoot or kill someone. How much will a car cost if the same would apply to car manufacturers?
Don't blame you. I believe it's going to be a very Violent summer as restrictions get lifted, more places reopening purple having been locked down for so long and then you add tax season and stimulus money to that, and yeah... Stay safe πππΌ
Firearm abolishment is going too far. But there should be regulations in place to prevent unsatisfactory people owning them. Such as that husband that broke into the house to kill the wife.
But you can never really prevent that. Prior don't always get guns legally. And even if could, they'll just find another way even without a gun. Just like a restraining order doesn't always work if someone is crazy and really wants to harm or kill
So a criminal will find a way to get a gun. And it's not worth trying to keep them away from guns. Yes i see what you mean. So if you are going to get sick anyway why vaccinate? So if people are going to run a red light then why have traffic lights? If you are not going to wear a seatbelt then why put them in cars? The wisdom and logic of just not trying and don't even bother escapes me. I remember an old saying about why you would put a lock on your door. It keeps honest people from trying to get into your house. So all of those men and women who follow restraining orders and those who practice restraint from using guns to kill out of hatred do not count i guess.
You do know that no one is taking guns away from citizens right? You do know that registering the weapon and properly training the citizen in the use of them is being proposed?
I agree more extensive background checks,, stricter laws/punishment not only for criminals but those caught selling guns to criminals that couldn't get guns through legal channels... The mental health thing is more complex because you can't force someone to get treatment unless it's Cory ordered and you can't ensure they take their meds as prescribed
We already have laws implemented, that don't get enforced or the government drops the ball on reporting information on someone. Let make sure or current laws are enforced before adding new.
Guns don't pull their own trigger, people do. Knives don't thrust into people, people stab people. Weapons are not the problem, criminals are the problem.
They aren't the sole problem but they're a problem none the less, mental health is the main concern with how common it Is that people "snap", thing is it's far too likely that person to already owns a gun or its ridiculously easy to purchase a gun both legally and illegally through countless loopholes
Taking guns away does not solve the mental health issue or prevent people from "snapping". It just makes innocent people more susceptible to those attacks... People that are out to harm someone, will find another way, weapon... The same way a protection order/piece of paper really doesn't protect someone if someone is intent on harming them.
Thats why I said it's not the sole issue in gun violence, a 2 fold solution would be properly regulating guns with higher criteria and background checks along with easier access to therapists and counselors
Isn't there already free counseling programs for those that need it? The problem is you can't force people to seek help or force them to take/stay on their medications unless they are committed into facilities
Three out of the four examples, people attacked other people with their guns. And the victims also had guns, but if neither of them had guns to start with, the whole situation could have been prevented. A gun can give you the confidence to walk outside at night, but it can also give confidence to people to commit crimes. So 3 out of 4 times you need guns to protect yourself from other guns.
Deaths by shooting here is higher here than deaths by any other single weapon elsewhere. Outlawing guns save lives. In Japan their organized crime groups, the Yakuza, don't allow their members to carry guns. The penalties are so severe. Criminals don't carry guns due to the law there.
But that would wipe out gun crimes not crime itself... You think taking away guns will stop criminals. They'll just find or make other weapons. You'll just see more victims of you take guns away from citizens who only have/use them to protect themselves. Do more to fight/stop crimes and have tougher/stricter laws/punishment for criminals...
Now where the hell did I say that? Drunk drivers kill too, should we take all drivers priveledges away? Should we bad anything that can be used as a weapon, like baseball bats and knives?
Yet underage drinkers still get alcohol don't they and same for underage smokers... You think changing gun laws will help prevent criminals from committing crimes, but you're missing the point that criminals don't give to shits about the laws or breaking them... Changing the laws will only change for those that actually abide by the law...
Gun laws have been shown to stop criminals from getting guns. As long as they're enforced everywhere. Chicago's gun laws do ver little when the laws outside of Chicago are different
Agreed. It's about the amount of damage a weapon can cause and how easy it would be for one to cause that damage.
I live in a country where guns are strictly controlled. Gun violence is very rare. Instead you hear of criminals using knives. So sure, criminals will always find other weapons but..
1) A criminal will never be able to inflict as much damage with a knife as they can with a gun. 2) Knives have many legitimate, non violent uses. Cooking, crafting etc etc. Literally the only purpose of a gun is to kill things.
Peoole have to be allowed to defend themselves and there is so many guns owned by people who shouldn't have have them it's basically leaving people with no way to defend theyer homes or family
my Dad has a gun and i like that he has it to protect us. i wouldn't want him to have a machine gun who know what could happen. by the way i have a friend who was in las vagus at mass killing , the guy was on the roof with automatic machine guns killing people for a lone time before the police got to him.
Chicago has most gun violence and has most strict gun laws. It is liberals trying to "explain" and "understand " thugs and how unfair life has been to them. With liberals there are no right or wrongs.
There is no easy answer here. Guns will never be taken away in U. S. Its known as touching the third rail in politics. No one wants to die politically by banning guns or messing with social security. That being said I think there needs to be a law here and there to help fix some weak parts of current law. Instead of fighting all restrictions aying its prtected by second amendment
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Well said.
about 3% of the population commit close to 50% of violent crime in the US.
Mental health issues abound.
Racial fires are stoked by the media pushing an agenda.
Things are only going to get worse now.
"Things are only going to get worse now."
Sadly, I agree with you
In fact, what you normally hear is a call for universal background checks, which something like 90% of the country agrees with. But because 90% agrees, the republicans are quick to change the argument by arguing against things no one is calling for, like taking guns away or banning bump stocks. Soinds like a dumb trick but it works every time, thus ensuring a next time..
I've seen time and again on here where people say guns should be banned. Not background checks, but banned altogether. I don't have a problem with background checks. But that alone don't stop guns from getting into the hands of criminals. That's where there needs to be stricter punishments sentences for those that break the law. Whether it's being a criminal or selling a gun to a criminal
Right, people on the internet say pretty much everything there is to say - some even mean it. But i doubt there are many U. S. senators on this site..
I donβt know whatβs up with people in the US that more are becoming mass shooters. Itβs more of how our culture affects mental health negatively that causes people to go crazy and shoot up a place
Right!!!
Totally agree.
Certain politicians want to allow gun manufacturers to be sued if their gun is used to shoot or kill someone.
How much will a car cost if the same would apply to car manufacturers?
Right!!
I carry two everyday. 2 Revolvers! And I practice NY reloads regularly.
Don't blame you. I believe it's going to be a very Violent summer as restrictions get lifted, more places reopening purple having been locked down for so long and then you add tax season and stimulus money to that, and yeah... Stay safe πππΌ
You got it! Saying that guns per se are the problem of people being shot is like blaming forks for overweight in our culture.
Aww man now I gotta get rid of my Forks, someone else said spoons... π€£π€£
Seriously tho, agree!!
And don't forget those deadly chopsticks - - - -
Aww man, you cleaning me out of kitchen utensils, but at least I should get skinny then right π€π€£π€£
I wouldn't need utensils for fried chicken and candy bars, for example. :- )
Aww you just made me want fried chicken π₯Ί LOL
Sorry - just eat the slaw! ;- )
I don't even have that here lololol
Firearm abolishment is going too far. But there should be regulations in place to prevent unsatisfactory people owning them. Such as that husband that broke into the house to kill the wife.
But you can never really prevent that. Prior don't always get guns legally. And even if could, they'll just find another way even without a gun. Just like a restraining order doesn't always work if someone is crazy and really wants to harm or kill
So a criminal will find a way to get a gun. And it's not worth trying to keep them away from guns.
Yes i see what you mean.
So if you are going to get sick anyway why vaccinate?
So if people are going to run a red light then why have traffic lights?
If you are not going to wear a seatbelt then why put them in cars?
The wisdom and logic of just not trying and don't even bother escapes me. I remember an old saying about why you would put a lock on your door. It keeps honest people from trying to get into your house. So all of those men and women who follow restraining orders and those who practice restraint from using guns to kill out of hatred do not count i guess.
Just so you know this is not an attack on you bbb. I respect you and your opinion. Im just trying understand the reasoning.
I didn't say don't make it harder to get guns tho I just mean that alone won't totally resolve the issues.
I understand that but to do nothing is not a good thing.
Again didn't say don't do nothing.
What do you recommend should be done?
You do know that no one is taking guns away from citizens right? You do know that registering the weapon and properly training the citizen in the use of them is being proposed?
I agree more extensive background checks,, stricter laws/punishment not only for criminals but those caught selling guns to criminals that couldn't get guns through legal channels... The mental health thing is more complex because you can't force someone to get treatment unless it's Cory ordered and you can't ensure they take their meds as prescribed
We already have laws implemented, that don't get enforced or the government drops the ball on reporting information on someone. Let make sure or current laws are enforced before adding new.
Guns don't pull their own trigger, people do. Knives don't thrust into people, people stab people. Weapons are not the problem, criminals are the problem.
Exactly!!!
Like I have always said guns don't kill people. People kill people.
Great post by the way.
Thank you ππ€
They aren't the sole problem but they're a problem none the less, mental health is the main concern with how common it Is that people "snap", thing is it's far too likely that person to already owns a gun or its ridiculously easy to purchase a gun both legally and illegally through countless loopholes
Taking guns away does not solve the mental health issue or prevent people from "snapping". It just makes innocent people more susceptible to those attacks... People that are out to harm someone, will find another way, weapon... The same way a protection order/piece of paper really doesn't protect someone if someone is intent on harming them.
Thats why I said it's not the sole issue in gun violence, a 2 fold solution would be properly regulating guns with higher criteria and background checks along with easier access to therapists and counselors
Isn't there already free counseling programs for those that need it? The problem is you can't force people to seek help or force them to take/stay on their medications unless they are committed into facilities
More the core social and financial issues of why people need it and why they turn to violence
Don't forget that your most powerful weapon is between your nose and chin and not a firearm.
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Three out of the four examples, people attacked other people with their guns. And the victims also had guns, but if neither of them had guns to start with, the whole situation could have been prevented. A gun can give you the confidence to walk outside at night, but it can also give confidence to people to commit crimes. So 3 out of 4 times you need guns to protect yourself from other guns.
The majority of crimes in America are performed without a firearm. That means your argument is invalid.
Deaths by shooting here is higher here than deaths by any other single weapon elsewhere. Outlawing guns save lives. In Japan their organized crime groups, the Yakuza, don't allow their members to carry guns. The penalties are so severe. Criminals don't carry guns due to the law there.
But that would wipe out gun crimes not crime itself... You think taking away guns will stop criminals. They'll just find or make other weapons. You'll just see more victims of you take guns away from citizens who only have/use them to protect themselves. Do more to fight/stop crimes and have tougher/stricter laws/punishment for criminals...
But allow someone to shoot up schools, because they're just kids?
Now where the hell did I say that? Drunk drivers kill too, should we take all drivers priveledges away? Should we bad anything that can be used as a weapon, like baseball bats and knives?
*ban
It's about the amount they kill. We have regulations on alcohol and cigarettes that are rigidly enforced, but not the same for guns.
Yet underage drinkers still get alcohol don't they and same for underage smokers... You think changing gun laws will help prevent criminals from committing crimes, but you're missing the point that criminals don't give to shits about the laws or breaking them... Changing the laws will only change for those that actually abide by the law...
Gun laws have been shown to stop criminals from getting guns. As long as they're enforced everywhere. Chicago's gun laws do ver little when the laws outside of Chicago are different
Why do people keep bringing up Chicago, I don't live in Chicago and violence is EVERYWHERE not just in Chicago
Because I like to head off arguments that I have heard 100 times before to save time.
Agreed. It's about the amount of damage a weapon can cause and how easy it would be for one to cause that damage.
I live in a country where guns are strictly controlled. Gun violence is very rare. Instead you hear of criminals using knives. So sure, criminals will always find other weapons but..
1) A criminal will never be able to inflict as much damage with a knife as they can with a gun.
2) Knives have many legitimate, non violent uses. Cooking, crafting etc etc. Literally the only purpose of a gun is to kill things.
People were killing each other quite effectively with sharp and blunt objects long before guns were invented. Guns are not the problem - people are.
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Peoole have to be allowed to defend themselves and there is so many guns owned by people who shouldn't have have them it's basically leaving people with no way to defend theyer homes or family
Exactly!!
i believe in the second amendment , i also know good people can cross over the from good to evil
I agree, but that happens with it without guns
my Dad has a gun and i like that he has it to protect us. i wouldn't want him to have a machine gun who know what could happen. by the way i have a friend who was in las vagus at mass killing , the guy was on the roof with automatic machine guns killing people for a lone time before the police got to him.
Sorry to hear that ππΌππΌ
i think machine guns are for war not for the general public, just my slanted view
Yeah, taking guns away won't stop crimes. Some people will probably find ways to make them
Right!!!
Chicago has most gun violence and has most strict gun laws. It is liberals trying to "explain" and "understand " thugs and how unfair life has been to them. With liberals there are no right or wrongs.
I thought you stayed out of political matters?
I said I don't like to answer political posts on here. Don't mean never say what needs to be said... I don't live in Chicago π€·πΌββοΈ
It's impunity, corrupt officials, and a violent culture bred out of the two.
Right!!! And a society that caters to criminals and wrongdoers...π€·πΌββοΈ
There is no easy answer here. Guns will never be taken away in U. S. Its known as touching the third rail in politics. No one wants to die politically by banning guns or messing with social security. That being said I think there needs to be a law here and there to help fix some weak parts of current law. Instead of fighting all restrictions aying its prtected by second amendment
Perfect answer