A National Abortion Ban is Coming

[Anonymous]

Republican lawmakers said this is what will happen when Republicans win back control:

Phase 1:

- Outlawing contraception in Republican states

- Outlawing contreception by mail in Republican states

- Outlawing crossing state lines for abortions

Phase 2:

- Contreception will be outlawed in every state

- Abortions will be outlawed in every state

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/25/roe-antiabortion-lawmakers-restrictions-state-legislatures/

Welcome to a Republican America.

[DaveJord]

So let me tell you the real deal here. And I am being dead honestly with you and want you know I am no Republican, I am a Ex-Democrat that has lost complete faith in the two party system... and here is why, I read your article;

"President Biden has pledged to do everything in his power “to protect a woman’s right in states where they will face the consequences.” But Biden has also ruled out the more extreme remedies, such as expanding the Supreme Court, and key Democrats remain opposed to eliminating the Senate filibuster to protect abortion rights."

Dems are penciled dick whinnies. What hell had Biden promised, he just makes these statements and does nothing... the whole time Republicanism wins. Name one think the Democratic Party has done in the last ten years that has really had a positive long term impact onto he country. Bailed out corporations, raised taxes on the middle class, lost Supreme Court seats, can't get their house in order, lost contact with the true core of their party by pandering social injustice types left and right while they do nothing of value to change anything, can't protect voting rights, can't protect the vast major of Americans from Christian Right. Dems are limp dick whinnies and Biden is at the top of the list.

How old are you remember a time when we had jobs in the is country that offered real pensions plans with life long retirement benefits. Well Reagan crushed the Unions and destroyed collective bargaining through the courts... and what did the Dems the party of the working class do to protect or bring the unions back? Nothing, nothing at all. The Unions had become so corrupt, selling off peoples pensions and claiming bankruptcy... and Dems did nothing to regulate the Unions or protect workers rights, and haven't lifted a finger to bring them back in over 40 years. By time the Republicans crushed the Unions, most people were glad to see them go... but who really lost in that... the working class did and the limp dick Dems did nothing about it. The people lost and corporation won again.

Trumps tax bill was disaster for the working class... I lost 4 to 5 major deductions on my taxes under Trump. Capped Mortgage Interest deductions , relocation allowances are taxed now, child support and alimony is no longer deductible, and corporations and the wealthy are not paying taxes... its to the point that people like Warren Buffett and Jeff Bezos openly joke about how they don't pay taxes and how its seriously a joke. These corporations pay more taxes in foreign countries then they do here at home. And the Dems don't even talk about it... they just give use empty promises while they pander to LGBTQ and minorities while doing nothing.

Look these January 6th hearings, I mean we had an American president that opening instigated a riot... and Dems start off the this whole process by saying they are not seeking criminal charges... so it just media circus for no purpose. Its fucking joke just like the Russian Conspiracy bullshit.

So to your question, don't blame Republicans for doing exactly what they always said they would do and winning, because Dems are the ones that are unwilling to do anything about it. So yeah, if abortion is important to you then your fucked. If your the type of person, that doesn't give when Biden appoints the first black or gay or trans gender to a office then the Dems are not going to do shit for you, and if you can't get down with Christian Right then your fuck, just get ready to shut and take what's coming because there will be enough spanking to go around.

[myTake Owner]

Democrats leaders are republican enablers if they do nothing to stand against the republicans fascist agenda.

[DaveJord]

Agreed

[bayoubob]

@DaveJord Wow. A Libtard actually admitting his sins. It does happen time to time. You were supposed to have come to this conclusion after the first Obama administration. However, try as you might to escape the grasps of lying Democrats, you have not escaped at all, your thoughts, values, and opinions are still shaped by Dems, Hollywood, and the Media. You are indeed still a Libtard.

[DaveJord]

@bayoubob sure... but the Republicans aren't any better honestly. They just pander to a different demographic... but they have been more successful on delivering on their promises. But let's be honest they got a win in this so congrats. But the truth is they having done a damn thing to improve the dat to day life's of people in general either. This is just one of things that's win, but who cares. I don't whats it do for me? NOTHING! But they will campaign on it and win votes, while steal taxs dollars from with bull crap Trump tax bill that rewards corporations and squeezes middle class.

[bayoubob]

@DaveJord Of course. Neither party is fit to run a convenience store. However, 81 Quadrillion people voted for a boob that couldn't be hired as a Wal-Mart greeter because he'd show up at Target. You can't blame anything on Trump supporters, we didn't vote for a daughter diddling, hair sniffing, racist pig of a boob. We knew he'd destroy the country. There is one thing we know. Everything is a shit show. The swamp is real, and it must be drained. You cannot honestly think things will ever get better until it happens. In these regards, there is a correct side to be on, and it sure as shit is not the Democratic side.

[DaveJord]

@bayoubob I really find it naive of people to assume my political affiliation based upon a post.

Not every democratic is AOC, and not every Republican is Trump. So knock off the bull your accusing me of and chill my man.

Sure, I agree drain the swamp, but whose going to drain it? Not Republicans or Democrats they're all the swamp, Trumps the swamp. Who drains it will refill it with their own swamp creatures, and well will be the ones fuckef in the end.

So as far as me, I haven't voted since 1992, I used to cherry pick issues and go with which ever party I felt was on the right side of it... but after being lied to by both, and finding it impossible to really agree with any party on any particular issue I am like fuck it.

But I love watching people go full-retard over shit like this... like they are so blinded by thier passion they have lost touch... Its like you're drinking the swamp water and spueing it back out, and trying to sell it as Kool-aid, without even knowing the favor. 🤣🤮🤫

[abc3643]

Both of these:

- Outlawing contraception by mail in Republican states
- Outlawing crossing state lines for abortions

are unconstitutional on fundamental grounds.

First, the US Postal Service is a federal service and it cannot selectively permit/refuse mail between states. In other words, the USPS cannot enforce such a law: contraception is mailed from NY to CA is allowed, but contraception mailed from NY to Missouri is not. Also, the USPS does not open packages; they can ask you what is in it, but that's it. Finally, private shipping services wouldn't be affected. Congress DOES have the power to regulate interstate commerce, but it cannot partition its laws so if affects people in one state one way and another state another way. That's a violation of the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment and the due process clauses of the 5th and 14th Amendments.

Second, "freedom of movement" within the US is a fundamental right for citizens who are not ex-convicts. Numerous Supreme Court cases assert this and current Associate Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh agreed as much.

[Subarugirl]

So is outlawing abortion but they still managed to do it. All they would have to do is make it illegal for business or individuals to mail contraception across state lines, it's not the USPS's job to enforce it, they just have to report it if they find it.

[abc3643]

@Subarugirl To make it illegal to mail contraceptives across state lines is a FEDERAL law, not state law. No state can create a law regarding that because that is a violation of Commerce Clause and the Supremacy Clause.

Commerce Clause
Article I, Section 8 (Enumerated Powers of Congress), Clause 3:
The Congress shall have power... To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;

Supremacy Clause:
Article VI, Paragraph 2:
This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.

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In short, Congress - and ONLY Congress - can make any law involving interstate commerce.

[Subarugirl]

exactly..

[abc3643]

@Subarugirl Yes, but the Federal Government would pass such a law and, even if it did, it would be challenged in Federal court. This is because "the contraceptive industry" - an industry not specifically discussed in the US Constitution - would become a "discriminated class". When that happens, the government immediately is put on the defensive to show why they need to create the discriminated class and why it is in the country's or Federal Government's best interests to do so and create the law.

This is actually a very important concept - it's how Obergefell v Hodges struck down same-sex marriage bans. In short, people wishing to be in same-sex marriages, but were banned from doing so, were a discriminated class. In court, no state or the Federal Government (which did not challenge) could justify that marriage should only be between opposite-sex partners. Thus, those laws were struck down.

Both the Federal Government and the states can't justify discriminating against the contraceptive industry. If you don't conceive, you're not going to have an abortion and abortion becomes a non-issue.

[abc3643]

Federal Governent WOULDN"T pass such a law...

[bayoubob]

@Subarugirl There's this thing called division. It happens on purpose for a reason. However, there is right and wrong. On one extreme we have asshole Dem Libtards wanting abortion up to and including the day of birth. On the other extreme, it's fuck all, NO CONTRACEPTION. Ask yourself, which is worse? And which is more likely to fucking happen? Which side is less EVIL? It's obvious. The bitch that wants to carry full term babies then conveniently throw the baby in her garbage can just like her kitchen garbage is more evil.

[Subarugirl]

@bayoubob name one person who wants to do something like that

[bayoubob]

@Subarugirl Evil exists. And all you do is make it an every day thang. You start eating for three people. You have it so entrenched in your mind, you can off this child when and where you see fit. Just like trannies competing, winning every record, whilst powdering their nut sackz in front of women. The more and more you fight, the more radical you get. At the same time, you bitch about the other radical. Which ain't happening. Fire being treated with fire. Division. No one will tell you what to do! Get some responsibility. Who is right? The people that know contraceptives, shutting of legs, and rape, and incest are evil? Libtards know one thing. They are stupid. And on the wrong side of the law. They believe the extreme of the right is worse than their extremes.

[Subarugirl]

@bayoubob still waiting for proof… that sure was a long winded comment that completely avoided the question. If you want a pedestal to rant on find a church.

[bayoubob]

@Subarugirl It proves one thing. You support a Child Fukker (Biden had fun times with his daughter's clit in the shower, and Heels Up Harris (who sent innocent people to prison for life). For no other reason than you are racist. Aren't you supposed to be against these things? The only thing that separates you from Orangeman Rad vs Evil is what? The fact that you "totally" don't listen to CNN, you do not and will not listen Whoopie (the ugliest broad that ever walked Earth). But you are LIBERTARIAN?

[bayoubob]

@Subarugirl WAITING FOR PROOF!!! This is what pedos and rapist serial murderers say. You fall on this safety net. You get power!!! Sick, sadistic bastards. There is no BODY. This is how you claim LIBTARDISM is okay? Oh my fucking my.

[monorprise]

Crossing State lines for a good or service is interstate commerce which Congress can regulate under Article 1 section 8 Clause 3.

States can and do ban almost any other product service so why would contraceptives be excepted among their virtually unlimited police power?

What is unconstitutional is "Phase 2", Congress no more has the power to ban Abortion or contraceptives than does its court.

Theses are not listed in the Federal Constitution and therefore belong to the domestic governments of the States.

[StevieNix]

Why would they ban contraception? lol

When Trump won in 2016, the dims were claiming that he wouldn't allow contraception. Were they right or wrong? Use your head.

[myTake Owner]

They’ll ban contraception because to them it’s more abortion. As they’ve said over and over.

[StevieNix]

Who are "they"?
I'm not going to bother asking for an example of who "they" are, because we both know how that will pan out.

[myTake Owner]

The US Supreme Court. Republican lawmakers. I’ve posted links everywhere to direct quotes, opinion papers, etc. and m getting tired of doing it because no one seems to give a shit. that’s the “they”. Sorry you are missing it before the next time you vote.

[StevieNix]

This is why I said I won't bother to ask you for examples.

[monorprise]

Every election they claim republicans will do everything under the sun including legalizing slavery and ending abortion everywhere, It never happens.

[Bratsondanielle]

Lol relax honey. Deep breath. Let it out. Good girl. The decision has been laid back to the states where it belongs. That's all that happened. 😘😘

[myTake Owner]

You missed this part.

https://youtu.be/IoGJhUfaNFE

[monorprise]

You seem to be confusing what a few politicians want to do with what they can do under the Constituiton.

They CAN ban abortion and contraceptives at the State level but not in Washington D. C.
You can vote with your feet, but you may be required to live in the State who's laws you favor not just hop around.

[MzAsh]

Yep. Several politicians have made this clear. Read Mike Pence’s statement on the issue. We’re going to have to get mean in fighting this this. But, they’ve asked for it. They’ll get their war.

[DaveJord]

And Dems are not going to do anything about it.

[MzAsh]

Oh yes they are.

[DaveJord]

We will see

[MzAsh]

Oh yes we will.

[DaveJord]

There will be a lot of smoke and talk put out over it in the mid- term elections. But Dems will probally lose the senate and by the time they ever get it back a decade of anti abortion legislation will have buried it. This is just another example of losing Dems have done over decades... so I have lost faith in them. The Dems talk big, but do nothing. They do a lot of losing, and empty promise making.

But I wish you well, I hope they do achieve something... just don't get you're feeling hurt when Dems loss again. People are just really feed up with social injustice, LGBTQ bullshit... when they can not really deliver on a single thing they talk about.

[DaveJord]

Oh and I hated Trump, like seriously disliked him... but Biden is a limp dick president. Seriously you got to admit he's got no balls.

[ChefPapiChulo]

@DaveJord what a weird insane rant.

[DaveJord]

@ChefPapiChulo Thanks I appreciate you sharing. Do you have anything of value to add?

[MzAsh]

The type of fighting I’m prepared to do isn’t related to our system. It’s underground and personal.

[ChefPapiChulo]

@DaveJord yeah I added that your rant was weird and creepy.

[ChefPapiChulo]

Everyone please take moment to look at everyone's age on here before replying ↗

LOL

[DaveJord]

@ChefPapiChulo numbers. Spent a lot time in last few days checking out my profile... so I so thanks.

[ChefPapiChulo]

@DaveJord WEIRD

[USLegionary]

Don't be silly. Invest in the democratic process of you want to keep killing babies

[Malgaran]

Glad I'm not American, while you guys have been kinda like slaves for a long time now, it's only getting worse somehow still, now the women have been demeaned to like cows who are supposed to re-populate the "Free" America". Can kinda seem what it is about sometimes.

[erandal]

Ban contraception? Wow, that's really f**ked up. So every time a girl has sex she gets pregnant. Got to love how your education and social security system will cope with that mess. I hope it's all scaremongering and 'fake news' blown out of all proportion by those with a low IQ who believe any bullshit they read on the internet. If it's not then may god have mercy on your soul...

[monorprise]

This guy is full of shit, they haven't been able to pass a federal law on abortion in 49 years, there simply isn't enough support.

Its also not among the enumerated powers in the Constitution so even if they did pass it, the same court which overruled Roe v. wade should strike it down for the same reason.

[RationalMale]

I keep hearing liberals claiming contraceptives will be banned, but nothing to back up what they say.

Are you aware of any bills in any states or in Congress to ban contraceptives? Or any actual push to ban contraceptives? If so, can you provide a link?

[myTake Owner]

Supreme Court's option in writing:

www.supremecourt.gov/.../19-1392_6j37.pdf

“[I]n future cases, we should reconsider all of this Court’s substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell,”

Griswold v. Connecticut, decided in 1965, found that a Connecticut law preventing married couples from using drugs or medical instruments to prevent conception was unconstitutional.

Ohio House Bill 182

Birth control pills, IUD’s and other methods of birth control like that – the bill states that any birth control that could act to stop a fertilized egg from implanting in the uterus is considered an abortion under this bill

search-prod.lis.state.oh.us/.../00?format=pdf

The Republican governor of Mississippi has refused to rule out attempting to ban some forms of contraception if the supreme court ruling that guarantees the right to abortion should fall.

www.theguardian.com/.../mississippi-governor-contraception-abortion-rights

"House State Affairs Committee Chairman Brent Crane, R-Nampa, said he would hold hearings on legislation banning emergency contraception and birth control pills during a Friday interview with Idaho Public Television."

www.idahostatesman.com/.../article261207007.html

[RationalMale]

1. That's not banning, that's restricting insurance from covering.
2. That's not a move to ban anything, nor can the governor do that.
3. paywall

[RACSKC0B]

Pretty much, although you forgot to mention the part about banning gay marriage, and outlawing LGBTQ in all its forms.
Basically we're on the way to the Handmaidens Tale.

[Bratsondanielle]

I don't mind peoples being gay or dogs or adult babies... in their home!!! But I do agree it's gotten way way way out of hand

[Anonymous]

Very unlikely. It is Republicans who pushed to overturn Roe v. Wade and put it back in the hands of the individual states. Republicans tend to strongly support states' rights and are strongly against federal government overreach, and a national ban would be just that.

[WindAtMyBack]

"this is what will happen when Republicans win back control"

Lol. That is not going to happen. It's just not. You are making stuff up.

[bigslab]

this is why it should not be banned

[Whatever2929292]

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*DOES HAPPY DANCE*

[kespethdude]

... while I fuck your mom.

[Wade12345]

I'm an independent, but if this is Republican's plan for American...

... THANK GOD FOR REPUBLICANS!

[NYCQuestions1976]

This is paranoia and propaganda. The Supreme Court ruled "States' Rights", not "No Abortion". There's a difference.

[myTake Owner]

Passing the decision down to states that ban abortion is a ban of abortion.

[NYCQuestions1976]

No. States' Rights works both ways. More liberal states will now be able to offer unfettered late-term and third trimester abortions, which is equally alarming. No normal reasonable logical person, in a normal non-emergency situation, needs into the third trimester to make a decision.

I'm legally pro-choice. If the Democrats in the House and Senate and the President wanted to pass a national pro-choice law (an actual law, not an executive order or Supreme Court decision), they could've put it together already and it'd be signed into law. They could've also done it in 2009 or 2010 when they also had control of the House, Senate, and Presidency. However far-left liberals are never satisfied. Just about every country in Europe has pro-choice laws in place. Their decision demarcation is set at 14 weeks (with all of the necessary emergency, legal, criminal, and medical exceptions). We could easily have a similar nationwide law here, but that's not enough for far-left liberals. They're not pro-choice. They're pro-abortion. There's a difference.

So now we have states that will do whatever they can to pass unreasonable restrictions on making a choice, and states that will allow third trimester abortions as a form of birth control. You reap what you sow.

[myTake Owner]

Third-term and late-term abortion isn't a real thing.

www.politifact.com/.../

[NYCQuestions1976]

No late term or third trimester abortions?

Massachusetts currently allows abortions into the 24th week.

New York currently allows abortions into the 24th week.

California currently allows abortions up to between the 24th and 26th week.

Illinois currently allows abortions up to between the 24th and 28th week.

Oregon currently allows abortions beyond the 27 week (see below).

New Jersey currently has NO LIMIT on abortions.

abortionclinics.org/.../

www.northjersey.com/.../

Shall I continue? No normal reasonable logical person in a normal non-emergency situation needs 24 weeks or longer to make a decision.

[myTake Owner]

Doctors report that no one walks in with three weeks to go and gets an abortion. Those lack of "restrictions" are so doctors can do the job to help their patients with any unexpected last-minute medical issues without legal consequences. Not everything is about "I'm bored of being pregnant now" like you Christian Taliban seem to believe.

[NYCQuestions1976]

There are medical, criminal, emergency, and legal exemptions in place for such cases. You posted "Third-term and late-term abortion isn't a real thing." Then when I proved you wrong, you decided to change your story and make excuses, and falsely accuse me of being religious.

[bayoubob]

@myTake Owner You are an idiot. It's been proven Democrats were blocked from passing legislation in a bill that would have allowed abortions up to and including the day of the birth. This whole abortion non-sense in my mind is part of the never ending clown show that creates division for no other purpose than who the fuck knows. That in mind, it's still more evil to allow live born children to get executed. These are facts.

[bayoubob]

But you 'report' that Doctors "report" no one comes in the late for an abortion. Duh, I would fucking hope they wouldn't. But now that you allow it, and are totally okay with it, just like every other fucking libtarded non-sensical thing that ever came around, people will start aborting on the day of birth. Not only that, Libtards will have a day in history for those so "brave and heroic" to actually fucking do it.

[Anonymous]

Childish scare tactics that have no basis in reality.

[myTake Owner]

https://youtu.be/IoGJhUfaNFE

Congress woman saying they’ll make it a national law.

[Opinion Owner]

The Supreme Court just ruled it would be unconstitutional to do that at the federal level. Did you not read it?

[Still-alive]

if it actually happens though and they actually do attempt to pass a national abortion ban would you condemn that? i have a feeling you wouldn't...

[Dargil]

I do not believe that. Congress won't ban abortion and only some states will.

[Dinosaursandanime65]

F*ck abortion, get rid of trans advertising and Torosaurus sh*t. And don’t even get me started on that disparage of a short animated film DISNEY made called “Out”. Disgusting

[Anonymous]

What you do to screw your own life up doesn’t matter to us. Just stop imposing your degeneracy on the rest of us.

[supercutebutt]

This is awesome news for buttsex!

[ODC2112]

Therfore you have a new baby boom.

[lofii]

This is going too far now.