Should traditionally black colleges in the US be allowed to continue with obvious racial discrimination in their student selection processes?

[OlderAndWiser]

Based on the 2020 US Census, "the U.S. is now 57.8% white, 18.7% Hispanic, 12.4% Black and 6% Asian."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/08/12/how-2020-census-change-how-we-look-america-what-expect/5493043001/

Examples of racial composition at traditional state universities:

"The enrolled student population at University of Georgia is 66.7% White, 9.48% Asian, 8.22% Black or African American, 5.72% Hispanic or Latino, 4.06% Two or More Races, 0.115% American Indian or Alaska Native, and 0.0715% Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islanders."

https://datausa.io/profile/university/university-of-georgia#:~:text=The%20enrolled%20student%20population%20at%20University%20of%20Georgia%20is%2066.7,Hawaiian%20or%20Other%20Pacific%20Islanders.

"The enrolled student population at University of Kentucky is 73.3% White, 6.9% Black or African American, 5.2% Hispanic or Latino, 3.45% Two or More Races, 3.33% Asian, 0.173% American Indian or Alaska Native, and 0.05% Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islanders."

https://datausa.io/profile/university/university-of-kentucky#:~:text=The%20enrolled%20student%20population%20at%20University%20of%20Georgia%20is%2066.7,Hawaiian%20or%20Other%20Pacific%20Islanders.

Examples of traditional black colleges and universities:

"The enrolled student population at Howard University is 67.9% Black or African American, 6.61% Hispanic or Latino, 3.84% Asian, 3.75% Two or More Races, 1.97% White, 1.22% American Indian or Alaska Native, and 0.258% Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islanders."

https://www.google.com/search?q=howard+student+population+by+race&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS899US899&ei=P2bUYveyPI7NwbkPrcKfuAw&ved=0ahUKEwi3ztep14D5AhWOZjABHS3hB8cQ4dUDCA4&uact=5&oq=howard+student+population+by+race&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAM6BggAEB4QBzoICAAQHhANEAVKBAhBGABKBAhGGABQAFi0HGCrH2gBcAB4AIABZ4gBiQaSAQM0LjSYAQCgAQHAAQE&sclient=gws-wiz

"At Spelman College, the statistics are: Black or African American - 97.41%, International - 0.75%, Multi-Ethnic - 0.24%, White - 0.14%, Asian - 0.05%."

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/spelman-college/student-life/diversity/chart-ethnic-diversity.html

Historically black colleges appear to be biased against white students. If our goal is to have a color blind society, shouldn't this flaw be subjected to government regulation until the racial balance at these schools approximates the national averages? If not, why is this not racial discrimination?

[Haha456]

Black students who get accepted into medical school due to affirmative action tend to drop out of medical school at significantly higher rates than whites or Asian students. This is what happens when you accept underqualified students because you want "more diversity". Underqualified students do not have the academic ability to withstand the academic rigors of medical school.

The frequent excuse being touted around of "discrimination and bias" is a lie. It is significantly easier to get accepted into medical school as a black student than an Asian or white student.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/sDNe6RiV1Tk

[Haha456]

this indian medical student, who pretended to be black to get into medical school, ended up dropping out of medical school.

[Guardian45]

"Equality means the state of being equal, and equity adds the element of justice or fairness; it’s possible that “equal” treatment does not produce “equity” when conditions and circumstances are very different."

[Guardian45]

Thank you for MHG!

[Sixgunsound]

The left has to push for social equity now because they already got equality and declaring victory and going home would cost them billions in white guilt payments

[Sixgunsound]

The left will not give up that shakedown scheme voluntarily.

[Avicenna]

This is a more complex than what the numbers indicate. I was offered a full-ride scholarship to an HBCU but ultimately opted for a partial scholarship at a much higher ranked program at a non-HBCU. The HBCU's program just didn't fit what I really wanted to do.

Incidentally, I was curious about the demographics of Howard University's law school (Howard is probably the most prestigious HBCU and is private):

Howard University Law School Demographics

Hardly any white students (last year's first year class actually had none), and most of the black students are female.

Florida A&M's law school (which is public) on the other hand, has a very different demographic mix:

Florida A&M Law School Demographics

Howard's black students could get into other law schools, especially American University, which is also in DC. Presumably, they wanted to attend an HBCU. My guess is the students attending A&M are looking for low tuition and a low debt load.

[wheresmrcunnunglis]

we don't want a color-blind society as that would erase people's cultures and identities. The goal is that many healthy-minded people are striving for is to undo discrimination and racism. can't stand these color-blind theories which are rooted in sub-current themes of prejudice and racism.

The whole reason there are historically black colleges is due to the ongoing and long-standing prejudice, racism, and discrimination black people and other people of color experience at predominately white colleges. Black people want safe places where they can thrive not just survive like animals.

Dont know why you're crowdsourcing on here for a topic of this volume when there are a plethora of articles written by well-established journalists on this very topic. Are you race-baiting or what?

why HBCU are important and created

[OlderAndWiser]

If I suggested that we should have white colleges because "white people want safe places where they can thrive not just survive like animals," you would call me a racist and excoriate my soul.

[wheresmrcunnunglis]

@OlderAndWiser Because it IS racist to say that due to how there is white privilege. You as a white person do not have to be afraid of being discriminated against on a daily basis for simply living. Watching what you wear for the negative stereotypes that will stroke a persons mind in result. White people are automatically seen as the most desirable and educated off the bat without any of you having to open your mouth to show them otherwise.

-Let me know when white people have been lynched on their way to go to school for simply wanting an education.
-Let me know when white people in mass have been blatantly pushed out of neighborhoods or districts so that they would not be allowed access to amenenties to better their life.
-Let me know when white people in mass have been prevented care whether it be in a restaurant or hospital due to it being illegal for them to be allowed service due to the color of their skin.

Let me know. Because you are too damn old to be holding this sentiment. Which to me shows, that your circle of friends and associates lack diversity and look just like you. otherwise I would be hard pressed to believe you say this otherwise ( and having a biracial or one singular black person does not count).

[MAC1983]

This interaction kind of reminded me of "Dear White People". The movie or the show, either one.

[Sixgunsound]

Proponents of color blind societies actually want a situation reminiscent of Henry Ford’s original model T: you could have any color you want as long as it’s black.

[Uptowngirl88]

I swear to God they are so damn evil.

[OlderAndWiser]

1. Reciting facts about racial prejudice from 50-100 years ago does nothing to explain why there should be predominantly black colleges today.

2. "Because you are too damn old to be holding this sentiment." You are angry so it's okay to start up with your od age stereotypes?

3. "Which to me shows, that your circle of friends and associates lack diversity and look just like you." Tell me were I live, where I work, where I attend church, and exactly what those people look like. I ask because you don't know SQUAT about me and you are simply telling lies to justify your disagreement.

I will be waiting for you to respond point-by-point to what I said above.

[Uptowngirl88]

Mr caucasian bye

[Uptowngirl88]

They are so ignorant and closed minded girl don't waste your time.

[Sixgunsound]

@Uptowngirl88 ladies and gentlemen we have found today’s winner for the post which proves their opponents point the best.

[Exterminatore]

@sixgun

Easy there fella, she’s a classy lady. Handle with care. LMAO!

[wheresmrcunnunglis]

@OlderAndWiser I will not be responding to your argument point by point as Im not invested in this argument enough to do so. Instead Ill reply to it all in full.

If you go back in history.. US history that is, you will note many prominent events in history during and after segregation where black people have had to fear for their lives while attempting to go to predominantly white colleges to get education. This is what created the need for black colleges to escape the constant fear for ones life that they may be lynched randomly by a group of white racist who have identified their routes to school. The establishment of these colleges have continued to help black people and other BIPOC who have decided to go there when it comes to creating connections ( networking) when it comes time for them to transition to the workforce. As we all know meritocracy is a sham in the US and relies more on who you know to help open many doors.

I came at your age because I am flabbergasted that someone of your age who has lived during historical events. Still can fix their fingers to share this ideal despite recorded evidence literally showing you why and how they came to be and the importance of it. I don't need to know anything about you to get a sense of what your stance or way of life is based on how you present yourself in answers. So you're overly defensive comments in points 2 and 3 just add support to my claim as opposed to denouncing it.

Thats all I got to say. Do better and read an article or two in order to inform yourself. As opposed to adding to the continued discourse of white discontentment that the times are changing to be more inclusive.

[wheresmrcunnunglis]

@Uptowngirl88 You are so right! and that last reply I just made is my last one because I'm so tired of these race baiting topics

[OlderAndWiser]

Yeah you didn't respond to what I said so you'll get the same in return.

[Sixgunsound]

So according to your own argument, breaking up insular communities such as historically segregated colleges would be a net benefit all..

[wheresmrcunnunglis]

@Sixgunsound SCREW! Henry Ford, his prejudice and elitist ass. He did not care about the working man and did everything in his power to prevent others create a union through legal sedation tactics.

[wheresmrcunnunglis]

@OlderAndWiser I did but you clearly dont know how to read to in order to deduce this. Just like you can't seem to open a book to know the history of the own country you reside in. Bruh.

[Uptowngirl88]

Girl don't waste your time with mr older he on his last leg about to kick the bucket. His nursing home days are here. Don't bother not worth your time. This is how they get when they on they 💀 bed cranky and rude.

[Uptowngirl88]

He ain't got much longer ⚰️

[Exterminatore]

@Everyone

There it is people! The coups de grace. Uptown88 starts her smack taking and hurling racist comments at me unprovoked and as per usual the black man or woman is the victim and it’s all whities fault.

Thanks for keepin it real and staying true to form Uptown88

It’s never the bell persons fault is it?

[spartan55]

@Uptowngirl88
Clearly that was too much work for you.

[Uptowngirl88]

It is y'all fault. Who u think shooting up Schools and grocery stores. Your people🤣

[Uptowngirl88]

@spartan55 yeah too much work for your people to not live in trailer parks. I agree

[spartan55]

@Uptowngirl88
Wow, racist too. You're a real sweetie...😂

[Datboi65]

First of all, no actually, you have no evidence of "racial discrimination" in HBCUs recruitment process. You're just stirring the pot over matters you have no knowledge about.

Second of all, white people would not be affected in anyway, shape or form by being rejected from an HBCU. There are PWIs that exist that are majority white. Are they discriminating against Black people as well, or is it just that most people who apply their are not Black anyway?

Third of all, Black history that is taught in majority-white institutions is white-washed. Black people having their own space means they can teach their true history to their students. There are no signs with "no Whites allowed" on campus, but the students who apply there are majority Black, and they do so to escape being a minority in a majority White school. Maybe if you weren't so terrible, people wouldn't want to break off from you.

No, we do not want a "colorblind society" because we want people to see color. We want color to be indeed very visible, but not as a negative thing. We want people to know all the gory, effed up details of the past and present so we do not repeat them, and that will require for people to see color. If it pisses off people like yourself, then that means that we are truly making progress.

[Lliam]

I don't care if there are a couple all black or all woman colleges. They came into being because of racism and sexism, not to BE racist or sexist.

I don't know why a white person would feel discriminated against if they couldn't get admitted into an all black college. There are plenty of colleges that white people can attend.

What's the point? Is it a few racist whites who are acting like butt-hurt liberals in order to make a point that there is racism against whites? What's worse than a whinny racist who thinks THEY are a victim?

I don't know why men, aside from trannies, would feel discriminated against if they couldn't get into an all woman's college. Again, there are plenty of co-ed colleges. And I would sick the dogs on any tranny that tried to get into an all woman's college.

[lightbulb27]

personally I think we should be ale to discriminate, but that isn't the law. in other words, if someone wants an all female college... for whatever their reason... ok fine, just designate it as such. if they want an all or mostly black jew college... ok fine, go ahead. want an all chinese college or Indian Hindu, ok... whatever, I don't care. Wnat to create a college just for empathetic black females... fantastic... go do that! just be fair about it in terms of funding.. there's other colleges that will take anyone. There's legit reasons to discriminate, namely for the safety of some people living with traumas as well as specialization... ability to focus on needs of specific target markets.

but that's not the law. the law should be enforced and they should be called out on their offensive... to some... processes.

[Msputiton]

White students are bias against historically black colleges.

They are free to go but most would never even attempt it.

5 common myths white students have are.

1. hbcu gives a substandard education but this is fales.

2. Hbcu only accepts black students also a myth in fact they wish more non black students would enroll.

3. Most people think hbcu does not prepare students for post grad education but there is a higher success rate of graduates from hbcu then other colleges.

4. The biggest myth because it's a hbcu most people assume they take anyone, and have a community college level acceptance standard, which is not true. Hbcu are very selective because they hold students to a high standard.

If lies of hbcu wasn't spread it would be more diverse

[KostasKouvalis]

I'm surprised they even allow non blacks at all. I thought they were reserved exclusively for Blacks. Those non-blacks are stupid for attending.

And I honestly don't care. If they wanna segregate themselves, let them. The majority of non Blacks won't attend those schools anyways, so it doesn't effect us.

My only issue is, the riots that would insue if we opened "Historically White Colleges" Oh wait...

Anyways, I have more of a problem with affirmative action. But if they wanna segregate themselves, let them. We don't need racists at our universities.

So I honestly don't care. I don't want those people, and the race traitors anywhere near us.

[MikeInHawaii]

Is the racism in the application or acceptance? How many white applicants do traditionally black colleges get. I’m white and considered taking some classes at Jackson State University. It was the only college driving distance from Memphis with a meteorology degree.

[OlderAndWiser]

When predominantly white colleges were forced to integrate, they were required to recruit minority students.

[Bee-Hatch]

Your argument isn't good. If you look at catholic schools, should they be forced to stop admitting a statistically significant number of catholics? Should girls only schools be banned from excluding male students? How about Yeshivas - should the be forced to take on non Jewish and non males?


Of course not. Those schools you list are privately ran businesses. And they can operate how they see fit. If they choose to admit from a particular group, then that's their business.



What your evidence seems so show is the schools with a high proportion of white students seem to be under achieving when it comes to finding students of non white backgrounds to make them representative of the societies they are supposed to represent.

[DaveJord]

Honestly, I just think Whites are interested in going to a Historic Black College. I mean sure you can look at numbers today and make case, but Historical. Black Colleges were only option for Blacks.

These colleges were founded with explicit purpose of giving Blacks a chance to further their education. So yeah we cold make a big deal about, but how many Whites really want to go to these colleges?

So one more piont... if I am White, or Non- Hispanic white... and there's no such thing as a African American. If I am not European American and just called White then they are just Black, because their no more African then I am European and I would wager a lot of their lineage tracks further back then most Whites.

[Daniela1982]

I thought colleges take people who have the ability to pay. After all, they are "for profit" organizations. If other races, besides whites, have no money for college then why is that racism? They can do like white students do and take out student loans and owe money. They just like to cry racism, when the truth is they just can't get the grades to be accepted since affirmative action, that favored them, went away. When people hire college graduates they look at their accomplishments and grades so that the most qualified gets the jobs.

[Sixgunsound]

The goal is not to have a color blind society it is to continue the ability for race profiteering whether that is by bullying like Al Sharpton or by pandering like Hillary Clinton. Biden gets an honorable mention for saying if you don’t vote for him you ain’t black.

[Chazmatazz269]

I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but the government isn’t particularly good at solving problems. They weren’t that good at it when they were best at it. Ell oh ell!
So, should the government regulate college and university admissions by any standards? Nope. I don’t even think we should be able to sue over blatantly racist or sexist admissions policies. All that really does is increase costs for people that do get in. The administration never feels even a hint of discomfort. This is the way capitalism works best: if you don’t like how a particular business operates, don’t give them your money. If you think you’re of a strong enough majority, organize a larger boycott. They’ll have two options; change their policies and practices or go out of business. And the government NEVER has to get involved. It really is that simple!
Just say ‘NO!’ to big government!!!

[ZenJen444]

Im surprised at your age 67, you would feel the need to ask this question. Maybe you're not a US citizen?


Yes , HBCU should be allowed to continue on with their current selection process. HBCU was created during a time where WHITES did not want blacks in their schools, restrooms, restaurant, fountains etc. This was the preference of WHITES and not blacks. Blacks wanted to be inclusive yet still remained unaccepted by whites. You're 67 this happened around your time so how is it that you don't understand that?

[OlderAndWiser]

How is it that someone as worldly and refined as you - and so much younger and obviously brighter - thinks that these are the ONLY considerations that should inform an answer to this question? Oh, I get it! You set the parameters to the debate and you win every time! Of course!

[ZenJen444]

HBCU was founded during a time where blacks weren't allowed near WHITES. The school is already founded that way and is a historical landmark for blacks. Again, this wasn't their preference they were forced by whites to do this. Just because you want to be in their space after years of excluding them doesn't mean they're supposed to jump because you say so. We're you denied entry into the school or something?

[ZenJen444]

If you did proper research you'd know these schools were founded in the 1800's. Ralph Lauren is an active participant in the hbcu such as Spelman and Morehouse who is in fact caucasion. So maybe you should do some research before posting. Also , Charles Drew an HBCU in California has white professors. Not just any professors eithers they're the top in their field. Charles drew consist of indian, Asian, and African students.

[ZenJen444]

😉 research wasn't your best subject in college I see.

[OlderAndWiser]

And diplomacy and tact are foreign words for you, apparently. Goodbye.

[Uptowngirl88]

@OlderAndWiser are u ok?😭😭😭 she mopped thr floor with you. A 26 year old schooled you and she's black 🤣 ouch.

[Uptowngirl88]

@wheresmrcunnunglis damn she mopped the floor with him.🤣😭😭

[Uptowngirl88]

Girl he's gonna block you because you're young, black, educated, intelligent, and embarrassed him. And yes girl 67 and kicking the bucket. He doesn't have any friends at all that's why he's on here 24-7. I think a black man stole his girlfriend or something cause he got a lot of hate towards blacks

[wheresmrcunnunglis]

@Uptowngirl88 DAMN she sure did! Loved the OP's response and knowledge on this. And all the poster of this dreadful "mytake" could reply back with was " you didn't say it to me without being mean so you answer doesn't count" its the fragile tears for me. Hope they cry some more so we have enough to water our damn garden with

[Uptowngirl88]

He @OlderAndWiser blocked her. An intelligent black woman is intimidating to him

[Guy13]

I know some 1800s black Universities where white students attended. Granted, it was the law school but... I guess that is something... Trying to be positive...

[OlderAndWiser]

Okay, but that doesn't address the question.

[Guy13]

I thought it did as exclusiveness and exclusion are concerned but I'm not sure..

[OlderAndWiser]

Spelman College has ONE token white student enrolled. Does that mean there is no racial bias in its admission practices?

[wheresmrcunnunglis]

@OlderAndWiser ok so you're disappointing. You had them remove/block my post so now although you and other users are responding to me. I can't reply back. Do better bro.

[OlderAndWiser]

@wheresmrcunnunglis You JUST. . . REPLIED. . . BACK. DUH!

[exitseven]

I went to a college that had a black student union. White people were not welcome. I wonder what would be said if somebody wanted to have a white student union.

[OlderAndWiser]

A LOT would be said!

[exitseven]

yes, back in the day I was too busy studying and trying to earn enough money to pay tuition to raise a stink. Today it might be different.

[Ihelppeoplebymilo]

That’s like if gays had a gay student union and straight people weren’t allowed.. perfectly fine. Straight people haven’t suffered why would they feel the need to have a safe place

[OlderAndWiser]

@Ihelppeoplebymilo Why is it that black people suffer is there is a white student union that is not acessible to them, but white peole don't suffer if there is a black student union for blacks only?

[Ihelppeoplebymilo]

Listen I’m not white but I can see this from a straight persons perspective, I really wouldn’t give a fuck if gays had a gay student union and I weren’t allowed to join it makes perfectly sense for me, but black only colleges? I don’t stand by that.

[Luna344]

I think they should exist. Many public schools still have racial tendencies. Most black colleges are a safe haven full of people from a specific culture that most average white people are not familiar with. Also if you read the stats white people are not a minority so when white people go to college you see that most people in the class are white. Also most catholic, Christian, and prestigious colleges a basically white colleges. Look at the stats

Kentucky: 73% white.

Howard: 67% black.

so if you want a white college you have them. But black people had to create there own. That’s the difference. You already have what you were looking for. They didn’t.

[Agagagagaga]

No no no.

White schools integrated.

Black schools didn’t.

Cut the bullshit.

[OlderAndWiser]

Show me a single "white" college or university that has only one black student.

[cth96190]

Only if there can be colleges that allow only white students.

[OlderAndWiser]

. . . and you KNOW that's not gonna happen!

[Alwayreckles93]

I love this , This should be enough proof to show that there is no such thing as white privilege. Thank you Sir.

[Ihelppeoplebymilo]

Oh there very much is

[Ihelppeoplebymilo]

There very much is

[Exterminatore]

If blacks want to cry incessantly about racism and discrimination, then they should not be allowed to be hypocrites.


Truly I have no problem with black colleges but since we’re burning down American cities these days for perceived racial injustice then it’s far past time to hold blacks to the same standards they want to hold whites to.

[Exterminatore]

Cool story bro.

[Uptowngirl88]

Yawn same line. Triggered huh🤣. Go on let out ur hurt

[OlderAndWiser]

I KNEW it!