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Men need to stop consuming anti-women media, they are shooting themselves in the foot. (Page 2)
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I wholeheartedly agree, every single point was extremely accurate.
Honestly when I come across those supposed alpha males on social media they seem like caricatures and I suspect they are trolls because there’s just no way someone can lack that much critical thought. It’s truly laughable to me that their ideology is actually quite prominent?
Hopefully people can learn from what you’ve written here.
Also it’s I think it’s obtuse for the opposing side to say “we are already equal” because even if we have the same rights, we are clearly not perceived the same socially and have different standings in the societal hierarchy, which clearly has an impact? That’s like claiming racism doesn’t exist because black people have human rights. Please open your eyes.
What they learn is more evidence of female narcissism. Each of those points in addition to being reframed only benifits woman, and fails to refute any contradictory evidence.
1. All feminists hate men and do NOT want equality. Anyone that claims they do is lying. Women have NEVER got even 1 law changed to help men and have laws be more fair to men. Not one. You are ignorant and dishonest if you claim otherwise. I am sure some liberal man hating feminist will remove my comment too just like they have in the past, even when I provide multiple links for evidence during discussions like this.
You also confuse statistics with surveys.
You also don't want men to tell other men (warn them) of all the bad things that come from women, especially the financial abuse that the majority of American women are guilty of and have been for generations.
if you are true feminist who stands for equality as you say, how do you intend to stop this from happening?
https://www.youtube.com/embed/dtVHnZX8E50truth be told, the bystanders are worse than the bullies themselves because bystanders enable bullies. feminism is an enabler of women's bad behaviors unless shown otherwise
https://www.youtube.com/embed/XNrWuZV3jjwThat’s genuinely disturbing to watch. How society thinks women should be allowed to get away with such behavior
Bottom line, nobody cares about men, not even other men
I can’t believe that cuck either in the 2nd video that came to the woman’s defense, even though she was clearly in the wrong
Where I grew up she woulda been on the ground a lot earlier than any of those scenes took. You put your hands on another person there are consequences for bad life choices.
You're framing it as women-hatred when it's feminism hatred. There are feminist men as well, who are despised just as much. And there's plenty of women who hate what the feminist movement has "accomplished" as well.
Your whole essay speaks to just how out of touch you are. This hatred that you speak of didn't just come out of thin air, it came from the experiences of millions of men and women who have realized that feminism has done nothing but tear apart men and women. This modern era created by feminism and more equality between the genders than ever before in history has produced nothing but unhappiness. Both genders have more single people than ever before and are more miserable than ever before.
Women have so many special privileges these days, they are given special treatment for everything and yet there still exists women like you who whine and complain that they're treated unfairly and that anyone who criticizes them is hateful. You are the problem.
So we should just forget about women wanting privileges over men and allow said women to be able to just fuck over a man's entire life in order to benefit her own? Women aren't the perfect creatures they claim themselves to be. They never will be. I'd rather shoot myself in the foot till I no longer have a foot than have a relationship with a woman who will ruin my life just to benefit her own.
My MyTake is not about women having more power than men, you have added a useless point to this argument. I never said anything about wanting more power than men.
@anon
Of course your post is not about that. Feminists don’t want men waking up and realizing they are oppressed and marginalized in western societies.
You mentioned equality, yet things are already far more than equal in favor of women.
I’m in favor of equality for women too. I want them drafted for war and to have the equal opportunity to be wounded and die for their country…just like men. Funny you never hear about women complaining about not being mandated to register with selective service when they turn 18 to be drafted for war. You’re not interested in equality, you’re interested in dominance and you don’t like it some men have figured out the game despite nearly 70 years of propaganda, gaslighting, manipulation and outright lies by feminists.
@anon
Also, why are you asking this anonymously? You must be another of those brave and strong women I keep hearing so much about. So brave in fact you’re willing to try to deceive men with your propaganda piece and not even reveal your screen name.
I think life isn't easy for men, and women don't tend to make it easier.
In 1999, the Fight club movie was in the theatres. It showed what happened to many men: how they were alone, or lonely. The main protagonist was single.
retrospectively, it was a warning of what would happen nowadays.
Nowadays, it's much, much worse. You have demands towards men. Ok, but what about women? Don't you understand if men can be responsible, women too?
Even if men stop to consume "anti-women" medias, women won't stop to reject them. Not all women are angels, Miss Feminist.
Personnally, I don't hate women, I just don't care.
I didn’t read any of the above. It’s a failure or lacks of dads doing their job in raising honorable and respectful and hard working young men.
If all dads did their jobs better then young men wouldn’t be trying to fill the void they feel.
and there is also a concerted effort to keep everyone at each other’s throats by agitating the sexes, races and classes against one another.
you might have meant well but you fell into the same trap. Or you’re helping instigate more trouble.
either way, you’re not addressing the real issue.
Your first mistake with this is conflating women and feminism they are not the same. There is a reason only 20% of women identify as feminist. And why prominent feminists like Cassie Jaye and Christina Hoff Sommers stand against feminism. Sorry I place more stock in what they have to say than I do any other feminist. Because unlike most if not all other feminists, they do not try to silence men. They do not belittle men, they do not hate men.. Where most feminists on the other hand practice the fine art of misandry.. I love women, and I see them as vastly different but equally and complimentary and needing each other, I see most feminists on the other hand as not women, and less than human.
What I meant to say at the end... I love women, I see men and women as vastly different but equally and needing each other. I see most feminists on the other hand not as women, I see them as less than human.
It all doesn't matter. Some men will still find women and mate. Who cares if some guys are doom in gloom about women and your generalizing that there's some apocalypse if incels out there. In fact, YOU are thinking black or white thinking all men are doing this. Almost always people project their negative qualities onto others you think men are being negative when really you are. People are still mating and we are no where close to what's happening in Japan and even so there are so many people in the world who cares if there's a birth decline that'd be a good thing
They watch that stuff to make themselves feel better about their lack of success with women. It’s a vicious cycle because they become more repulsive to women, then they become more angry and frustrated and more misogynistic. You’re right that it doesn’t help them.
At the same time women do the same thing with feminism. They become anti-male, read a bunch of nonsense, become more repulsive to men (at least the types of men they’d want), become more frustrated and more misandrist.
I acttually "hold the education to understand, evaluate and apply these statistics" in that I am a Ph. D. Psychologist, statistician. and research designer. I doubt you have comparable qualifications or you would have listed them and also presented some discussion of the alleged errors other than the sample size (which is a lie).
I am not going to deconstruct this for you other than to say you are wrong. Grievously wrong. I would assume you hope nobody would challenge you, and you let your politics overwhelm you.
You should remove this and apologize.
You should pass out aloe with that burn. :)
Lol !
So your solution to the perceived problem.. is follow the ol adage "outta sight out of mind"?
The problem is more localized than you think. For example, just this morning I opened up Snapchat - I got 3 adds from randos. All 3 were either bots or girls promising sex if you vemo them. I am not unique in that regard nor do I put myself out there to solicit that attention. Men don't have to seek out incel content to develop the mindset of an incel; society pushes it on them and as you've said, they perpetuate the pessimistic outlook.
Here's another fun example, every 7th profile on tinder basically has nudes on display and a venmo or OF link in their bio.
The problem igoes deeper than just algorithms perpetuating a certain mindset.
"I want equality" you already have 1000s of feminine nice guy men that you aren't attracted to. You already have 1000s of over weight masculine women that masculine men aren't attracted to.
You already have everything equal now. Why are you so unhappy? Isn't talking to yourself in the mirror so fun? Isn't fun when everyone and everything is the same? Isn't conformity fun? Everyone is equal.
There is no difference between men and women now. We pretend like those differences don't exist and everyone is equal. Yet you are in unhappy with guys being more feminine and complaining?
Maybe everything is not the same thing and nobody wants it to be the same. You give your hard work and time and the boss gives you money. I act like a masculine man and I get a feminine woman. Maybe exchanging different values is a good thing and not oppression?
Or do you prefer I give you $10 and you give me $10 right back? What's the point? Pointless safety?
Please re-read my post again, specifically the part about 'traditional women', I actually said traditional women still exist, and thats okay and their choice, and I am not against it at all.
Thanks.
The sad thing is most of the men reading this will not believe it and stay in their mindset of hating women. It's like they just don't want to better themselves and become a man that's actually attractive. They'd rather hide in excuses of having no money and being short is the reason why their single when it's really their women hating attitudes. 🙄
If she thinks that is pushing women away then okay who cares lmao, rich men care? Sigma men care? No, we don't lol, if that pushes y'all then okay get pushed 😂, she really thinks it pushes women and thus we'll have a lot of trouble by not getting a woman, no we are just fine lol, y'all want us come get us otherwise... 🙂
@Johnsmith119 will just go after the good guys that aren't like that
@Johnsmith119 ignore the rest and leave them to be incels 😆
I've spilled a lot of ink on this subject. I am an ardent anti-feminist. I don't really need to go into my reasons deeply, just know that I am well versed in this subject, and to me feminism, at least institutional feminism is a hate movement hiding behind the language of acceptance and inclusion. I understand that to the average coffee shop feminist this is not true, but as they support the institutions, they are a part of the problem.
This is wrong, I have already addressed there are extremists in every single view within the world, religion, politics etc, feminism has existed since the 1900's, and to let its name be tarnished because of some extreme individuals, is not the way to go. I still identify as a traditional feminist, and will not remove that title just because of what some so called 'feminists' are doing, when really what they are doing goes exactly against historical feminist views.
I get where you are coming from:
An Olive Branch, Because Not All Feminists Are Bad People ↗
My issue is with INSTITUTIONAL feminism the type of feminism that creates policy, effects laws, and directly effects people's life. The feminism that is supported by those who feel like you do.
I understand that there are extremists, and have no problem dismissing them as long as the institutions ALSO dismiss them. If someone says or writes something extreme its fair to expect that gender study classes distance themselves, that mainstream organizations also distance themselves, that those people are isolated from the political power behind the movement.
@Anpu23
Well said! I’d go even further to say all women are to blame, ALL of them feminist or not.
We see whites being the loudest voices against racism directed at blacks. Though I don’t believe there is much if any institutional racism against blacks in reality, we see those who believe there are injustices in that subject standing up for those whom they believe are oppressed.
Do we see ALL women who claim to be anti feminist doing the same? No. Yet they know men no longer have a voice. They know men can scream as loud as they care to about injustice but their voices are ignored.
So ALL women who are against feminism are also to blame also. They do not have protests. They do not write their representatives requesting new legislation. They do not write scholarly research and present them to universities, refuting claims of women being oppressed and asserting it is men who are oppressed. They do not request spots on news talk shows to refute feminism.
Instead they simply nod that feminism is wrong and men are demonized and do literally NOTHING else.
Therefore since men no longer have a voice and since their concerns are wholly ignored the vast majority of women are in essence silent partners of the feminists. They see the injustice, but do nothing to stand against it other than tacitly agree it exists.
I mostly agree. feminist women attack traditional women. as far as equality--well, here's the naked truth about that:
https://www.youtube.com/embed/_l1DoUXAdH0as for the issue regarding transwomen--they face these attacks. I have been abused physically and mentally by my grandmother as a child. if I recalled that past in a conversation with such women--I suspect that I would be would be dismissed and more than likely blamed. I see feminism as the female equivalent of misogyny. my thoughts are not based of this but this does reaffirm what I've long believed.
The problem is not anti-women media. It's modern women, and feminists in particular.
And no, it's not the minority of feminists. Supporting gender equality and fairness is NOT the same thing as supporting feminism, and hasn't been for a very long time. Anyone who supports feminism today is a bad person. Until we all acknowledge that and and stand up against what fmeinism is doing today, men will always be angry at women, and for good reason. That has nothing to do with anti-women media.
So men should not educate themselves on how unfair the dating world is, seismic many men face and how hate-filled the feminist movement is because women don't like it? Hmm, that seems like you want men to be ignorant to benefit yourself.
I'm against any violence committed around men educating themselves on these issues, but being aware of them and valuing yourself enough to not accept less than you deserve is great.
I honestly didn’t read everything you put cause I’m tired, but I went down a huge rabbit hole of red-pill videos out of curiosity and it is literally the most toxic view on relationships that I’ve come across. I feel bad for young men that have no real world experience on relationships and they base their opinions on them from these videos. It is so harmful. That kind of mentality does not lead to what a healthy relationship makes
Thank you.
love how you’re saying “we can choose to come together and not hate” …and people still drop a poor attitude
I thought this was very well-written, to the point, and VERY gracious…lots of people don’t understand the toll it takes to extend such grace in such an eloquent manner especially in the face of negativity at best.