Men need to stop consuming anti-women media, they are shooting themselves in the foot.

[Anonymous]

1. The golddigger argument.

Right now there is this ridiculous trend going around about 'high value' men and 'alpha' males. I see many men commenting that you will not have a chance with a woman unless you are either of the two, and earn a lot of money.

Sure there may be statistics HOWEVER do you actually hold the education to understand, evaluate and apply these statistics, or do you just grab the number and shove it into an argument?

Most statistics although interesting, are not deemed fully valid, even when done by harvard researchers, this is because 600 participants, from the same state, of the same sex and ethnicity, is not enough to generalise the whole population, it is considered invalid in terms of actual research standards that can be used and an inadequate sample size. I know this as I studied psychology and we constantly had it drilled into us that such a specific sample size, and small one, will not be valid.

I also cannot generalise from my own experience, otherwise I would be contradicting myself however I will get in in here, that I started dating my partner before he had a job, and no he does not come from a rich family, nor is he some 'chad' as you like to say. My mother has a long term friend who is interested in her, he's a veteran, nothing wrong with his looks and absolutely minted (English slang for lots of money.), however she doesn't feel a connection so does not pursue anything with him, I can say the same for at least 3 other female friends I have.

If you get too lost in statistics, then you will of course fall into this doomer mindset that it is impossible to get a woman without being rich, or extremely handsome. Whats even worse than misreading statistics and using them, is when you do not even bother with statistics and use andrew tate as a source of information, the man flaunts his wealth, only cares about his wealth, pimps out his gfs on onlyfans, runs a pyramid scheme, and only dates instagram models that never want to work and only want money from men.

How can you sit there and think the women he gets represents all women, when those are the type of women he wants to attract, they are a completely different personality type with different aspirations, and NOT portrayal of women as a whole, only of IG models.

It makes me think people lack basic critical thinking skills.

2. It is only harming you, and young boys.

If you absorb this media so frequently, without understanding how to evaluate it, or take it with a grain of salt, of course you start hating women, you are biased to this media and do not let any other information in except what the 'chad' podcast loser says, this isn't empowering media, and infact just insults you and says unless you meet xyz you will not find a girlfriend, this media is stemming so far that young boys from the age of 5 are referencing it and hating women before they have even had a chance to talk to one, or kiss one or have a crush, regardless of your views, is this really what you want? If thats so, you're sabotaging your own sex and in denial about the harm it is causing.

3. It is creating a huge sex divide.

I genuinely think we are experience one of the biggest sex divides we have seen in years. Men are not only harming themselves, with suicide rates climbing, and inceldom becoming more and more common, but they are also pushing women away by doing this. If you look at the bigger picture, this is not healthy for either of us. Inceldom especially is a topic I could write a million essays of, incels do not care to comfort eachother, I have been on the forums, they are there to continue brainwashing eachother into hopelessness, that they will never feel the love of a woman, which becomes such a viscious and lonely cycle, as incels teach not just to hate women, but to also hate 'chads' etc, which is causing a lot of suicides and in some cases incels are hurting innocent people. These are sad cases, of men being isolated, manipulated, told they're worthless and then harming themselves or others.

4. The feminism argument.

As a traditional feminist, I can agree some extreme feminism is going too far, however this is not the majority, and we cannot generalise from tiktok. As a feminist I just want equality, I want the gap in stem to be recognised, the workplace issues, the higher SA statistics etc, I do not hate men, and never will, despite a lot of men recently becoming bad people, I'll never generalise, I am not a child and old enough to know not all men are like what I have mentioned above, I am also an advocate for men reversing the 'just be a man' mentality, where they keep in their emotions and feel weak to talk about their feelings, leading to men having the highest suicide rate in all countries. I genuinely believe, addressing this more, would lower a lot of male dominated crime rates.

Most feminists just want some equality issues addressed, sure there is extremism on tiktok or youtube or whatever, but to take this and generalise a whole movement that has been going from the 1900's, shows to me you lack critical thinking skills.

5. 'Traditional women'

Traditional women still exist, I know for one my mum is one, she is a feminist herself, but she is also a traditional women, before my dad passed, he was the breadwinner, whilst she raised us when he was at work, and made the meals and it was a very happy time for them, however my dad did not disrespect my mum and enforce 'traditional' values, she was still allowed to voice her opinion, have a say in the family etc.

There will never be a 'doomsday' like you're talking about where traditional women cease to exist. There is so much religious women, and women who want to be provided for and settle with children.

Also remember, in this economic state, it's a lot harder for men to actually be the sole breadwinner, Personally I am at university studying cyber security, I still want a family and a mortgage, but in this economic state it would be impossible, even on my type of degree, to earn enough alone, I'd also personally get quite bored, I think it's great that when I do have children, they will have both a hardworking mother and father to look up to. Before I hear the 'no time with your kids argument' this is a myth, children are at school for the same time work hours are, not only that I purposely chose a computing degree so I can have flexible working and do not need as much time in the office.

I personally think women are adapting to the current climate, and most men (not all) that I speak to nowadays, do not want to be the sole breadwinner, whether its because of stress, and the slight weight off their shoulders knowing there is dual income, or simply them recognising times changing and needing more to unfortunately live.

6. What do you think this hatred will achieve?

Can you tell me what sitting on forums, reading out of context incel statistics with poor sample sizes benefit you? Have they changed the dating game for you? made you a millionaire, or what?

Or have you just gained a more dim outlook on life, and women.

At the end of the day, We should not hate eachother or drag people down. As long as people do not harm others, let them be, if a womans a feminist and you dislike that, thats completely okay, but you can just let them live and move on, you'll never have to interact with them again or see them again, so why let things you dont like sit in your mind? Why not instead pursue your ideals and the type of woman you want.

This will never happen, but traditional feminists recognise a lot of mens struggles, and if we worked together, it would help a better society. Of course, this will never happen, we are humans, we love to hate, lust, and more, but if you're reading this and relate to some of the things I've said,

Why not drop the pitchfork, you do not have to adopt my views, thats the great thing about free will, but you can live without this hatred and misrepresentation, spend your life for you, It is genuinely too short, not reading daming articles that cause a feeling of hopelessness and hatred towards the opposite sex.

It's like people who constantly watch the news, and consume such negative media, it will give you such a negative outlook on life.

[Unit1]

Very noble intention with your message.

I'm afraid it'll fall mostly on either deaf ears or being disregarded by the stubbornness of some readers here.

In any case, you have valid points there.

[Unit1]

Thanks for the most helpful opinion, although these don't mean anything.

[KrakenAttackin]

She is neglecting to realize women created the environment that makes for "anti woman".

[MrBadd]

@KrakenAttackin

A man-hating feminist would say the same thing about men creating an environment that makes for “anti-man”.

You’ll notice that most of the time these women are unattractive whether we’re talking physically or personality-wise. Because attractive, decent men are repulsed by them, the types of men they tend to attract are trash, and then they assume that all men are just the same. They all join in with each other telling themselves that all men are trash and that’s why they can’t find a good one, then they become more unattractive. It’s a vicious cycle.

Same goes for men who consume this type of content.

You can recognise that feminism is bad and that some women are dickheads without assuming that all or most are the same.

[Snakeyes7]

@KrakenAttackin women didn't do that, feminism did. There is a difference between the ideology and the human being.

[lightbulb27]

I didn't have to read all that to applaud.


I think its intentional to screw up society.

[inhua]

the feminist propaganda and false hope lies are what screws up society. there is no such thing as anti-women media, only the truth media which is gaslighted by liberals to appear as anti-women as well as anti-non-white, anti-LGBTQ and anti-global warming

what we see is just the after-effects of millions of men realizing their realistic dreams have become nothing more than a foolish fantasy to chase, we're not talking about 1 or 2 men, we're talking many millions of men, not all of whom can be winners even they tried their best

millions of kids around the world wanted to be Michael Jordan, only a few hundred ever made the NBA, even less made it to his GOAT status and that is considered a "realistic" dream

[lightbulb27]

@inhua I think thi's girls good thoughts get lost in the bit bucket of the internet in 5 minutes. But her title says it... it's about the media. What gets the focus of our attention... it's media. And that is generally the worst of humanity, not what is best or setting a direction.
best answer is to turn off media, look to what works and build value in lives. we have this issue with our kids... they ask questions coming out of the media, because that is what captures attention. my wife had to reframe a question so they understood the garbage they were fed is just that... garbage to create conflict.
I guess the answer is... manage your propaganda. A lot of people are lost and those people should not be setting the course for everyone. Hollywood being one such example.

[modeunae]

@inhua Ja. Feminism is ruining the world.

[OlderAndWiser]

Every guy who falls for that nonsense is one more guy who leaves the competition and makes it easier for those who remain. Why would I want those guys to wake up?

[WhiteBoyChill]

Well, have fun with your pickings. The rest of us are likewise happy to leave you with the bad options

[WhiteBoyChill]

You just don’t understand the struggles younger men deal with while dating. It isn’t like your generation. Its entirely different

[OlderAndWiser]

@WhiteBoyChill I mentor a group of about 60 young men at a local university. Your assumption that I don't understand younger people is deeply flawed.

[WhiteBoyChill]

If you understood the problem. You would’ve been able to diagnose it.

The problem is young women aren’t traditional anymore.

[OlderAndWiser]

@WhiteBoyChill Okay. That's your opinion based on your experience. And you are convinced that you are right, But that doesn't mean that every guy on the planet has the same experience as you.

[WhiteBoyChill]

Well good for them. But they’re part of the small minority that lucked out

[msc545]

Possibly because you are 68 years old. You are engaged to be married and hopefully you have some empathy for your fellow men. Other than that, I can't think of any reasons.

[OlderAndWiser]

@msc545. It is far, far easier to save someone from the big bad wolf than it is to save them from themselves.

[msc545]

Agreed!

[BlackBeauty90]

1. The golddigger argument.

Statistically the average woman in Western society is an achieve nothing tramp that desperately seeks a man with a high income career that can support her cheapness. Compared to other countries women in western society have the least drive to achieve and is far more prone to cry like a spoiled brat about the "unfairness" of life when she has more freedoms than other women in other countries can dream of.

If you look around a number female owned businesses in the west --- woman isn't western by birth or a first generation child of immigrants or she's a minority.

On the other hand you merely have to look out the window to see sooo sooo many western women dressing and acting like prostitutes to realize the achieve nothing "golddigger" is very much alive.

2. It is only harming you, and young boys.

And being exposed to hostile toxic situations is far more foul than anti-women media.

A few months, maybe last year, there was a business that got into shit for saying it was a "woman's only" business and figuratively chasing men out with knives & pitchforks. The thing is, the morons that owned this business were offering services that other proper & ethical businesses would make available to both sexes because NOTHING about the business was strictly female.

Anti-women media is nothing more than a reflection of the toxicity by women that men are experiencing. It didn't magically come out of nowhere and nothing.

To simplify it - minorities (either ethnicity or religiously) scream negativity about the toxic predominant ethicnity or religion because minorities are treated like shit.

3. It is creating a huge sex divide.

You obviously don't understand the bigger picture. In today's society people are cruel and women - particularly the sluttier ones - think they have value because a dozen men seeking cheap sex are purusing them. When reality is, they don't have any value.

But these cheap dimbos turn down other meeker men, and usually do it cruelly as these sluts have not good personalities, and that gives rise to incelism and such.

Men have been turned down for centuries, it's only today with the rise of slut tramp prostitution "feminism" that it's become a problem.

4. The feminism argument.

You're not a feminist and you're certainly not traditional. You're one of these whiny modern feminists that isn't able to view the big picture AND even worse blame men for their troubles.

This is proven in your statement
Equality - YOU ARE ALREADY EQUAL IN THE WEST. You have MORE rights and MORE liberities than MANY women can DREAM ABOUT in other countries. So STOP spewing your TOXICITY about equality when you ARE equal.

I want the gap in stem to be recognised - THERE IS NO LEGITIMATE GAP. Your statement is akin to a man saying I want the gap in receptionists to be recognized. Receptionist is not a man's job, just as how statistically women DO NOT get into STEM

The workplace issues - what issues? Things like men getting paid more than women? Well tough luck most men get paid more because they are more adept at their job, better trained, less prone to childish moody temper tantrums, and more. It is why statistically men make better bosses than women who can, even at job, be bitches.

The higher SA statistics - well bluntly put, and I say this as a woman, if women nowadays in western society stopped dressing like a slut, stopped acting like a prostitute and stopped being a fucking moron there wouldn't be higher SA stats. Go to countries where women are still respectable - not whores - and stats are not that high.

You say you don't hate men - but you DO because instead of looking at reality you ARE BLAMING MEN.

5. 'Traditional women'

This is NOT the definition of a traditional woman and MAYBE YOU SHOULD EDUCATE yourself. This is the TOXIC definition of a traditional women spouted by dumbasses for dumbasses. What when WOMEN HAVE WORKED throughout history in some degree or another and even in countries like colonial USA business and land owning women had MORE power than men

Traditional women still exist, I know for one my mum is one, she is a feminist herself, but she is also a traditional women, before my dad passed, he was the breadwinner, whilst she raised us when he was at work, and made the meals and it was a very happy time for them, however my dad did not disrespect my mum and enforce 'traditional' values, she was still allowed to voice her opinion, have a say in the family etc.

6. What do you think this hatred will achieve?

Look at the big picture, look at how you lie to yourself and say you support men when you blame them and cry about how "unfair" - when it really isn't - life is about.

And you'll understand WHY hatred exists.

[love_conquers_lust]

Item 2. You say minorities are treated like shit. By who? Those minorities? Because I find that to be true more than the majority explicitly treating them like shit. The majority nowadays doesn't go out of their way to do that because nothing positive to comes out of it, for either side, so why do it? What I think you see happening, is minorities want to fraternize with majorities, and they're denied because the majority doesn't want to. There is nothing inherently unethical about that. Minorities perceive that to be treated like shit. Similar to guys getting rejected. I think that truth needs to be told.

Item 4. We don't have equality. We still have Affirmative Action which favors women and minorities. It violates the law (CRA) which was SUPPOSED to establish equal rights.

Item 6. It's about wealth inequality. So, the OP has a point that people need to get out and vote. That's all we can really do to fix this system which has a couple glaring flaws. Gross pays are too low for the majority of people regardless of race and that racist and sexist law in Affirmative Actions stands in the way of healthy reform.

[BlackBeauty90]

@love_conquers_lust In some countries minorities are indeed treated like shit. They can not get jobs, can not practice their religion in the open, etc. they are blatantly assaulted, raped, etc by the majority and NOBODY cares. TRY to think beyond your pathetic little world.

Item 4 - be quiet. Men like you do have oppurunities you're just too pathetic to use them.

Item 6 - a table wiper like you certainly doesn't deserve the salary of a doctor.

[love_conquers_lust]

I'm referring to the US. This site is founded and run by a creepy foreign dude who lives in my nearest city, St. Louis. So I always reference the states.

Item 4 and 6. "Be quiet". That right there is a major part of the problem. If your gut response is to act like that, people like Trump will continue to be elected at state, local, and federal level and more will be taken from women and minorities than just oppressive law that favors. There will be retribution as restitution. As wealth inequality grows and more and more form the middle class are ripped out from it, the voter turn out will continue to grow. And they are going to keep looking for someone to blame. Right now, with all the personal experiences people have with women and minorities, they're and obvious, and justified target. But it's not the major source.

This is no joke. A few years ago no one could fathom abortion rights would be curtailed. They fought tooth and nail against preserving race based Affirmative Action. They did what you did, deny and dismiss with condescending remarks. Wake up. You can't keep responding like that. You have to think harder than that or it will keep gaining momentum. You have to see it from the other sides point of view. There is no choice or they will run you over. Republicans are going right for the throat with DEI and CRT. They're not just going to remove it from inappropriate settings, they're trying to ban the shit altogether. There creative solutions ruling at the supreme court ruling was wrong. That was a total fuckup. It's oppressive and it gives precedence to one protected class over another. It's already started.

Like seriously, wake up.

[love_conquers_lust]

I hate that we can't edit typos after posting.

[BlackBeauty90]

@love_conquers_lust I'm saying it as it is, as a woman who has self respect & was raised properly. Not something many Americans can say nowadays. You're better at crying about the hard world instead of getting some balls.

Abortion rights are only curtailed because more and more American women are better pretending they are legal prostitutes than they are at being a woman worth respect. Go to European countries and this will almost not be heard of because European women still predominantly act respectably, not as free prostitutes like sooo many American women do.

[BlackBeauty90]

@love_conquers_lust As for people like Trump we have something much worse as president. A sexual predator in Biden who has no problems acting inappropriately towards women and worse young girls on national television, who's entire family embodies what is WRONG with the Americas nowadays - a drug addled son, a promicious fucks anything with a dick daughter, etc.

[love_conquers_lust]

Who's explicitly crying? About what explicit issue? Who explicitly needs to get balls?

I'm not against you here. Europe's policy on codetermination should be implemented here in my opinion. But most Americans here won't listen to you when it comes to policy because of what happened during the World Wars. We also had a huge influx of Jewish refugees after those wars and have the largest concentration in the world by far. But it's deemed wrong for me here to call attention to such things because I get called a white nationalist antisemite because of shit your continent did 80 years ago. Because of that Jewish population, they sure as shit won't listen to Middles Eastern countries on the state of Israel, another relic of the World Wars.

Like, I don't know what to tell you hear except have some balls yourself and say what you mean. I could write you a fucking book on how no one's hands back then were clean. But there is only so much this site will allow me to write in one sitting and I have limited attention span myself.

[love_conquers_lust]

I don't disagree with you on Biden. The first thing he did was pass racist executive orders reaffirming his racist commitment to African Americans. He shouldn't have done that. If we can't use law to give any one religion special treatment or hold them above all others, like say people of the Jewish faith with their antisemitism crap, then we can't give racial minorities preferential treatment either with law.

[BlackBeauty90]

@love_conquers_lust WHAT has anything about what you just said have ANYTHING to do with the original conversation piece. And WHY are you bringing up Jews - the ONLY Americans who have a serious problem with Jews are the bottom of the barrel in society blaming Jews for stealing jobs, etc when the losers complaining can't even make high school

[love_conquers_lust]

No, I've done more explaining here than you. It's your turn to explain yourself which you haven't done. I asked you to be explicit. You told me to be quiet on Affirmative Action. You said it's my fault I didn't take advantage of fewer opportunities afforded to me by law. You told me I don't deserve the salary of a doctor and should be looked down upon as a table wiper.

Be explicit. Who needs to stop crying? About what explicit issue? Who needs to get balls? Don't equivocate. Don't deflect. Don't change the subject. And don't put it back on me. You said these things. Be accountable. And explain what you mean.

[BlackBeauty90]

@love_conquers_lust I told you to be quiet because your ignorance is appalling. Like all bottom levels of American society be it a minority or a white person you blame everyone else for your failures in life rather than taking responsibility for your own actions.

"You told me I don't deserve the salary of a doctor and should be looked down upon as a table wiper." I didn't say you deserve to be looked down upon but you most certainly don't deserve the salary of a doctor. They're educated & save lives. What does someone who wipes tables do?

Item 2.
First you said that minorities are not treated like shit & reword my comment in an entirely different way that isn't even reality. Nowhere did I say that minorities want to connect with majority. It is simple racism & anti religious ideology I was referring to.

If you think that religions such as Sikhism are not harassed in America - with American making gestures & comments about turbans, etc - then I have a bridge to the sun to sell you. If you think that minorities such as Hispanics are not treated poorly with comments like "wet back" and the like then I have a bridge to the moon to sell you.

[BlackBeauty90]

@love_conquers_lust
Item 4. Is not even WHAT I am talking about. You go off on some tirade against women & minorities because you likely think they are selling white boys jobs.

They're not. A white guy who has education has a job. A white guy who doesn't have an education doesn't get a job anymore than a woman or a minority without an education.

I mean you gotta be pretty silly to believe that, as example, women are stealing construction workers jobs and depending on where you are majority of construction workers ARE white. Wooowww

Item 6. Another pointless comment by you. Where does the OP say vote & where do I say vote. There is NOTHING to change except for the "unfairness" that bottom dwellers believe exists because they are more adept at blaming the world for THEIR failures than taking responsibility.

That was quite obvious when you went on about Jews of all things which was NOT even relevant to my post. But uneducated bottom dwellers in society DO have a problem with Jews.

[love_conquers_lust]

Fine, you said I don't deserve to be looked down upon for being a table wiper and I made an assumption about your implication. I don't believe you given your tone, but since you clarified in writing, we'll take that to be your official stance since your original statement was ambiguous, I still don't believe you.

"First you said that minorities are not treated like shit & reword my comment in an entirely different way that isn't even reality. Nowhere did I say that minorities want to connect with majority. It is simple racism & anti religious ideology I was referring to."
You've committed the same sin you accused me of doing. I said nothing of the sort that minorities aren't treated like shit. I said minorities treat minorities like shit. I said majorities don't want to fraternize with minorities and that minorities took that to being treated like shit. You understand fraternize refers to what you do in your free time, do you not? It means our time as consumers, not as producers. I got no problem working along side them, but I do have a problem being told I should feel bad for not wanting to be around them off the clock. That's my choice and yours. Respect each other's rights to pursue our own happiness when we go to work, and close it out on the consumption side where we are free to be as racist and sexist as we want, to discriminate to our hearts content. And you aren't even guaranteed that. So, you need to learn to make peace with that because that's the predominant way the law is set up.

[love_conquers_lust]

"I mean you gotta be pretty silly to believe that, as example, women are stealing construction workers jobs and depending on where you are majority of construction workers ARE white. Wooowww"
They are to an extent. It's not even soley whites anymore, it's a lot of Hispanics and because they are both in the majority, they SHOULD be the majority of the workforce. That doesn't justify giving minorities special privilege. And it pisses a lot of other men off regardless of race because women get cushy positions to meet some diversity initiative bundled with contracts awarded by the government and be paid the same while NOT doing equal work. I've seen it, I've heard others say it. It also doesn't just happen across genders, it happens across race too. You see it with painters and electricians which tends to be less physical. Or you hear stories about husbands signing over their businesses to the wives to get government subsidies and then the wife will divorce that husband for whatever stupid reason and leaves the husband who built the fucking business with nothing whenever she has no god damn interest in running it. ALL the while, she's had extra help all her life that she wasn't even aware of because SHE didn't take advantage of the opportunities that were afforded to her with targeted recruiting that is codified in Title 34 and Title 41. Women don't take those opportunities because the work sucks, and the government is trying to incentivize them. So as far as I'm concerned, Affirmative Action is enabling shitty behavior in women and minorities at the oppression of white males. What's more, they're fucking over white males born after 1964 who had nothing to do with prior events, punishing them. I can't fucking believe you think that is ethical in any sort of universe. I just can't fucking believe it. It makes me think we just need to put more people like Trump in office because it's the only god damn way you will listen.

[love_conquers_lust]

Fuck off with your criticism of my criticism of those of the Jewish faith. It's ultimately greed I have a problem with. I'm not fucking scared of the ACLU and their ever expanding definition of antisemitism to mean anything negative said about those of the Jewish faith. That in itself is dehumanizing to blanket label all Jews with a positive stereotype that says they CAN'T be greedy. That's fucking bull shit. All people can be greedy, Jews are human, therefore, Jews can be greedy. To say anything else is to do what Nazis did and make them subhuman. And the same logic applies to Nazis. You can't label them all as antisemitic because you just don't know. You have to judge all on a case by case basis, not matter how fucking annoying it is. You can still acknowledge that stereotypes exist AND judge on an individual basis.

So again, I don't believe you said I shouldn't be looked down upon for being a table wiper. Just look at all your comments calling me a bottom dweller, a failure, and someone who doesn't take responsibility. Fuck off.

[love_conquers_lust]

And above all else, you still haven't explicitly answered my original questions. Who needs to stop crying? About what explicit issue? Who needs to get balls?

I made the comment on item 6 about voting because that's the realistic way to fix the issues as opposed to you complaining about my bitching.

[BlackBeauty90]

@love_conquers_lust Who needs to stop crying? You do.
About what explicit issue? Nobody mentioned explicit issue except you.
Who needs to get balls? You do

[love_conquers_lust]

So you’ve been running your mouth talking about nothing. You just said I’m the only one talking about any issue, using inflammatory language like “nobody but you”….

Issues
2: You said minorities are treated like shit by the “predominant”, the majority, I said it’s minorities treating other minorities like shit and majorities don’t want anything to do with them fueling the perception of being treated like shit. If a girl rejects a guy, is she treating him like shit?
4: You said we have gender rights equality, I said we didn’t by law in AA.
6: You said look at the big picture in the context of gender, I gave you an even larger context that I feel underpins/exacerbates everything you talked about when I pointed out wealth inequality and AA as being those big picture issues.

So your conclusion is I’m the one who needs to get balls, I’m the one who needs to stop crying, and I’m the one who has been the only one talking about issues. Blaming me, it’s my fault, I’m a table wiper, you offer no guidance beyond that.

You talked about toxicity, harming young boys, blaming men…. You ARE toxic feminity. Now YOU understand “why hatred exists” <-your words

[love_conquers_lust]

I should clarify, not necessarily the ACLU. Moreso the ADL than the ACLU. But mostly, it’s Democrats in their congressional hearings.

[BlackBeauty90]

@love_conquers_lust ROFL. YOU'RE the one running your mouth & contributing nothing of value. As obvious by your pointless tirades. First it was nonsense about my post, then nonsense about Jews, then nonsense about my post again, then something else. Honestly GET HELP

Item #2 - WRONG. You should live outside of your mother's basement. The predominant people treating minorities like shit ARE majority populations.

Item #4 - WRONG. I never said gender equality exists, per se, learn to read above a 5th grader's level. I specifically said that the whining of women about equality is a bunch of hogwash.

Item #6 - WRONG. Again come outside of your bubble world in which you think I don't know what but it certainly isn't reality. A person who has a minimal job is NOT entitled to the salary of someone like a doctor. For one the educational requirements are 2 to 5 times greater.

[BlackBeauty90]

@love_conquers_lust Look troll, you're starting to bore me with your antisemitic racist bullshit.

" You say minorities are treated like shit. By who? Those minorities? Because I find that to be true more than the majority explicitly treating them like shit. The majority nowadays doesn't go out of their way to do that because nothing positive to comes out of it, for either side, so why do it? What I think you see happening, is minorities want to fraternize with majorities, and they're denied because the majority doesn't want to. There is nothing inherently unethical about that. Minorities perceive that to be treated like shit. Similar to guys getting rejected. I think that truth needs to be told."

This blubbering of yours is simply RACIST. RACIST, RACIST, RACIST.

Nothing else, nothing more. You say that majority doesn't want to fraternize with minorities - how is that NOT treating minorities poorly you racist pig?

And just an fyi in EDUCATED jobs majorities "fraternize" quite readily with the minorities. A friend is East Indian and he doesn't just TEACH mostly white students at university level he also LEADS an entire IT specialist team composed guess what... mostly of whites.

[BlackBeauty90]

@love_conquers_lust Look troll you're starting to bore me with your inferior uneducated poorly bred low brow antisemitic and racist bullshit. THAT is why you haven't achieved anything in life and NEVER will far more than the "evil" people you cry about.

"uck off with your criticism of my criticism of those of the Jewish faith. It's ultimately greed I have a problem with. I'm not fucking scared of the ACLU and their ever expanding definition of antisemitism to mean anything negative said about those of the Jewish faith. That in itself is dehumanizing to blanket label all Jews with a positive stereotype that says they CAN'T be greedy. That's fucking bull shit. All people can be greedy, Jews are human, therefore, Jews can be greedy. To say anything else is to do what Nazis did and make them subhuman. And the same logic applies to Nazis. You can't label them all as antisemitic because you just don't know. You have to judge all on a case by case basis, not matter how fucking annoying it is. You can still acknowledge that stereotypes exist AND judge on an individual basis."

This blubbering of yours is just antisemitic bullshit. The whining typical of low brow uneducated white boys who blame the world for the fact you ARE a failure.

[love_conquers_lust]

You want forced integration. You’re inhuman. You don’t respect preferences. So I won’t respect yours.

[BlackBeauty90]

@love_conquers_lust I do not respect racists & people who are antisemitic and other low brow behavior. Few people do.
Has nothing to do with "forced integration" it's called having morals & ethics and treating other people with respect, not forcing isolation and discrimination like you try for.

[love_conquers_lust]

Fuck you. You don’t respect preference. Don’t lecture me about preference, you bitch.

You know who taught me this lesson? A mulatto woman who exclusively dated white boys and I called her a racist for it. Never again. Go fuck yourself.

[BlackBeauty90]

@love_conquers_lust I'm African, you racist. Nigerian by birth. Not some low brow American like you, thank the gods & everything in the heavens. And I don't date white boys ROFL. They're too whiny.

I do not respect racists & people who are antisemitic and other low brow behavior. Few people do.
Has nothing to do with "forced integration" it's called having morals & ethics and treating other people with respect, not forcing isolation and discrimination like you try for.

[BlackBeauty90]

@love_conquers_lust And why are you insulting me? Hmmm do you have no capabilities of responding intelligently? Hmmm. You pretend to think you're worthy of the same salary as a doctor but you act like someone who didn't graduate college.

[love_conquers_lust]

You not dating white boys is racist you dumb bitch. Go fuck yourself.

[love_conquers_lust]

So much for never again

[love_conquers_lust]

I take it back, you have every right to discriminate to your heart’s content you bitch

[love_conquers_lust]

But I won’t respect your right to anything if you don’t respect mine

[BlackBeauty90]

@love_conquers_lust ROFL What are you whining about? You said, in your blatant racism, multiple times that majority population doesn't want to "fraternize" with minorities. So make up your simple mind.

I do not respect racists & people who are antisemitic and other low brow behavior. Few people do.
Has nothing to do with "forced integration" it's called having morals & ethics and treating other people with respect, not forcing isolation and discrimination like you try for.

[BlackBeauty90]

@love_conquers_lust "But I won’t respect your right to anything if you don’t respect mine" What right are you whining about? The right to be paid like a doctor when you obviously didn't graduate college. Don't make me LAUGH.

[love_conquers_lust]

You just fucking said you don’t date white boys. Go fuck yourself

[BlackBeauty90]

@love_conquers_lust ROFL What are you whining about? You said, in your blatant racism, multiple times that majority population doesn't want to "fraternize" with minorities. I'm not fraternizing with majority which is what you said is supposed to be the case MULTIPLE TIMEs you uneducated racist.

So make up your simple mind, but then you're too pathetic too.

[BlackBeauty90]

@love_conquers_lust You know what's the most pathetic thing about you, you racist. Is you are perfectly fine with being racist AND antisemitic but when someone turns around your racism on you... you cry like an ass fucked whore.

As said you said multiple times that minorities (which includes Africans) are not supposed to or wanted to "fraternize" with majorities (white people). I am merely doing what you said, you racist, and you cry like a little whore.

[love_conquers_lust]

You said you don’t date white boys. Go…fuck…yourself.

[BlackBeauty90]

@love_conquers_lust You said minorities aren't supposed to fraternize with majority populations. So what's your problem, bitch?

[love_conquers_lust]

I don’t fucking care. I’m not fucking ashamed of it you bitch. You’re criticizing me for something you’re guilty of. Go…fuck…yourself.

[love_conquers_lust]

You want me to stop calling you a bitch? You want me to stop telling you to go fuck yourself? THEN STOP FUCKING TELLING ME I CAN’T EXCLUSIVELY DATE ONE RACE YOU INTOLERANT BITCH.

[BlackBeauty90]

@love_conquers_lust You said this multiple times " I said majorities don't want to fraternize with minorities" so why are you whining like an ass fucked whore when I'm just doing what your pathetic racism says is right?

[love_conquers_lust]

Fine. Then leave me the fuck alone and don’t criticize me. Accept it, don’t fucking tell me I should feel bad about it you fucking bitch.

[BlackBeauty90]

@love_conquers_lust Hmmm... are you alright in the head? I mean no offense but you are not even responding to a conversation that exists... You just whined that I'm not wanting to date white boys & now you whine that you want to exclusively date one race.

[love_conquers_lust]

Oh my god, you are so fucking dumb. You can’t claim to be tolerant when you are intolerant of racists. I don’t give a shit if you call me one. I don’t fucking care. I have a preference, so fuck off.

YOU can do whatever the fuck you want IF you let me do whatever the fuck I want. You’re not going to force your fucking supposed “morals” on me when it’s predatory bull shit.

[BlackBeauty90]

@love_conquers_lust What are you going on about? Do you take medication or should you take medication? Half of your conversation doesn't even exist in reality. And many people critize racists & antisemetics like you, how can they not?

[love_conquers_lust]

I hate fucking drugs. And I hate you.

[BlackBeauty90]

@love_conquers_lust YOU'RE the person with a problem with MY perference you pathetic fool. I said I don't date white boys and you had a fucking mental case breakdown calling me bitch, etc and saying "go fuck myself".

by the way WHY should ANYONE be tolerant of racists? Racists don't contribute much value to society, cause unnecessary problems, isolation, discrimination and problems. Furthermore the typical racist is not well educated & is oftentimes among the lower ranks in American society.

[love_conquers_lust]

THEN THAT MAKES YOU A RACIST YOU FUCKING FOOL!!!

[BlackBeauty90]

@love_conquers_lust ROFL. I said I don't date white boys to trigger you, you fool. When you constantly said majority population doesn't want to fraternize with minorities it was SOOO easy to play you like a 5 year old. ... See this is what makes racists so amusing. They're simple & easily manipulated.

[love_conquers_lust]

Then you’re a liar. And we don’t have to believe anything you have said.

[love_conquers_lust]

Again, you are fucking fool.

[BlackBeauty90]

@love_conquers_lust No hardly a liar. Like I said playing you was amusing. ...

And unlike I'm not a bottom dweller in society. Your entire posting has been nothing more than toxicity, racism, lies, antisemenitic nonsense that has NO value in today's world.

[love_conquers_lust]

Liar, shut the fuck up

[love_conquers_lust]

No one has to listen to you, your credibility is shot

[BlackBeauty90]

@love_conquers_lust You are simple, aren't you? And you should take medication. What when you had a mental case breakdown when I said that I don't date white boys and YOU'RE racist against minorities

[love_conquers_lust]

Liar, shut the fuck up.

[love_conquers_lust]

Lies. Can’t listen to you. You admitted to it which was stupid. Truth cuts through the bull shit. You are a fool. A dumb fool.

[BlackBeauty90]

@love_conquers_lust Why should I listen to a racist & an antisemitic loser? Hmmm? I mean it was amusing how you reacted when someone was racist towards you. You think your behavior is acceptable & yet cry like a kicked cur when it's turned on you.

[love_conquers_lust]

If you have to lie to make your point, you don’t have one, liar. Shut the fuck up.

[BlackBeauty90]

@love_conquers_lust Oh I have MORE points than you. Why should I listen to a racist & an antisemitic loser? Hmmm? I mean it was amusing how you reacted when someone was racist towards you. You think your behavior is acceptable & yet cry like a kicked cur when it's turned on you.

[BlackBeauty90]

@love_conquers_lust Oh I have FAR MORE points than you. Why should I listen to a racist & an antisemitic loser? Hmmm? I mean it was amusing how you reacted when someone was racist towards you. You think your behavior is acceptable & yet cry like a kicked cur when it's turned on you.

[BlackBeauty90]

@love_conquers_lust Oh I have FAR FAR MORE points than you. Why should I listen to a racist & an antisemitic loser? Hmmm? I mean it was amusing how you reacted when someone was racist towards you. You think your behavior is acceptable & yet cry like a kicked cur when it's turned on you.

[love_conquers_lust]

Liar. It doesn’t even matter what the truth is. It still makes you intolerant of preference. An intolerant liar. Shut the fuck up.

[BlackBeauty90]

@love_conquers_lust YOU'RE the intolerant one you moron.

When I turned your racism on you by saying I don't date white boys you had a breakdown calling me "bitch, go fuck yourself, etc". But the comicality is, since the start of your posts you've been nothing but toxic against minorities and Jewish / other religions.

[love_conquers_lust]

Liar. Shut the fuck up. You just keep sinking. You’re in quicksand.

[love_conquers_lust]

All these accusations you’re making, no one should believe you because you lie.

[BlackBeauty90]

@love_conquers_lust Unfortunately for you, you POSTED it. One merely has to go & read your posts.

YOU'RE the intolerant one you moron.

When I turned your racism on you by saying I don't date white boys you had a breakdown calling me "bitch, go fuck yourself, etc". But the comicality is, since the start of your posts you've been nothing but toxic against minorities and Jewish / other religions.

[love_conquers_lust]

I don’t fucking care. I didn’t lie about it. You DID fucking lie. Nothing you have said means anything anymore.

[BlackBeauty90]

@love_conquers_lust Yet you still respond, troll. And that's what you are. You come onto my post spouting your toxicity because you're an achieve nothing racist white boy.

[love_conquers_lust]

It doesn’t matter that you admitted it. We can’t trust anything you say. Especially with all the inconsistencies in the shit you said. You’re also probably incompetent. Incompetent liars don’t last long, liar.

[love_conquers_lust]

Liar. Don’t care. No one has to listen to you.

[normalice]

It makes men feel better about why they aren't getting laid to, instead of believing themselves inadequate, believe that women are just entitled and stupid. You're not going to stop this with logic. Never in history has a rational argument convinced someone who wanted to stay mad to no longer want that. Anger is an escape from reality like any other drug. You're not going to convince someone to choose reality when they have the option not to, unless you can magically make reality meet their entitled expectations.

It's like saying "science told us we'd all have flying cars and unlimited energy now, but we don't, so fuck science." In this way, Back to the Future led to the anti-vaxers. But how do you convince them to stop being antivaxers without the flying cars? You can't. There is no incentive to believe science if there are no flying cars. It makes no tangible difference to their life to either hate or love science. However, there is an intangible difference, in that if they hate it they can make themselves feel better about what they percieve as being left out or abandoned.

It is the same with men wanting women. The question is where did all these high expectations come from? And I think it's pretty obvious they come from right wing misinformation. The problem is no one will ever vote for republican policies based on merit. So, right wing think tanks have been trying to tackle this problem for decades. And a "flood the zone with shit" strategy is what they came up with. Billions of dollars have gone in to online troll farms, psyops, mind wars, and various commentators modeled after guys like Rush Limbaugh. Billionaires would rather pay for all of this to trick people into voting against taxing billionaires, instead of just paying their taxes.

Among the shit they flood the zone with, they've found think getting people mad gets them ignoring their own self interests and keeps them coming back for more. So, they dedicate most of their time to finding every issue that could possibly make people mad. And capitalizing off the common sexual frustrations of young adult men is probably the most predictable and reliable target in existence. It's not going away until either billionaires just decide to pay their taxes or there is a mass organization against far right misinformation. Until either of those two events occur, the anti-woman rhetoric will be propped up by the power of whole careers made out of keeping it propped up. No one is paying for the careers of people who want to quash it. That's all volunteer, and without organization volunteer work always loses to funded efforts to accomplish the opposite.

[bingbongbangbung]

Just because something is conservative and you dislike it doesn't make it far right. If you view anything right of center-right as the far-right, maybe you're the one that's the political extremist. Also you make such bold claims about billionaires and politicians, yet lack the credible evidence to back it up, dismissed.

[normalice]

@bingbongbangbung the far right has taken over conservativism in the US. Something like 70% of registered Republicans don't believe Biden won the election, for example. That's far right territory 🤷

[inhua]

yeah just point the finger at conservatives and republicans, not these liberals and democrats who continue spread false narratives about living in an "oppressive patriarchy"

[normalice]

@inhua but i did point a finger at things someone made up for you to make you mad. The fake news that democrats are spreading false narratives about living in an oppressive patriarchy certianly falls under the category of "made up things to make you mad."

[inhua]

Democrats are responsible for turning women against men, not Republicans. men can't even explain the inaccuracies of feminist lies without some woke lunatic calling him a sexist, incel, misogynist or any other stupid buzzword term designed to cancel him

sure men can either give up explaining a lost cause or double down more aggressively on the truth but apparently the truth is considered "hate" and "inciting violence"

[normalice]

@inhua not in real life, though.

Imagine for a second that today your goto sources of far right disinfotainment came out and admitted they made it all up. Would that make you happy to learn that the things you are so mad at were never actually real so you can stop being mad? No. The likely result is you would simply not believe them if they told you they were lying to you. You are all addicted to your rage fantasies and so there is no reality I can use to lure you off of it. I used to try to be sympathetic to such addiction but found it does no good. Indulgence and sympathy only makes you people worse. You are ragetards. Your brain has been damaged by your anger addiction and I don't believe you can fix yourselves on your own. The only way to stop it is to reverse the citizens united ruling so far right billionaires can no longer hide how much they spend on far right disinfotainment. Even then you'll get the joneses for the rest of your lives instead of showing any gratitude. You're not the first people to lose all chance at having a meaningful life because someone pushed an alternative to raw dogging reality in front of you. You are the first to trade your vote for it, though..

[inhua]

there's no far right misinformation. there's only the truth but the truth is only deemed misinformation because you don't like it and it destroys your entire narrative

thousands of illegal immigrations are pouring into the country across the border, this isn't far right misinformation. doctors are performing transgender surgeries on infants, this isn't far right misinformation. human activity contributes very little to global warming, this isn't far right misinformation. BLM is rioting the streets and burning down black-owned businesses and properties, this isn't far right misinformation

for many years feminists controlled the narrative of men being creeps, abusers, cheaters etc. who deserve all the bad shit that happens to them whether it's divorce or bankruptcy or prison. today men are finally speaking up about their experiences with actual proof from statistics and video footage that debunks all the lies being told about them. fathers forced to pay child support for kids that aren't there's. innocent men who were accused of rape having their reputations forever ruined, men having their names smeared and canceled for having different opinions etc. while the cancel culture mob continues to justify the bad behaviors of Amber Heard, Cardi B, Lizzo, Kamala Harris etc.

this has nothing to with rage, the rage comes from the people being exposed. criminals who are guilty are often the most defensive about the crimes they committed because they want to feel justified in their wrongdoing.

[normalice]

@inhua so, just deny the possibility of the question. Typical cultist 😅

[inhua]

the facts are not on the side of the political left. they just keep repeating lies over and over again until the public accepts it as truth

[normalice]

@inhua that's projection. The left forms their opinions from facts. The right cherry picks facts to support their opinions - and famously comes up with alternative facts when they can't find any.

[inhua]

[ The left forms their opinions from facts ]

what facts? that BLM is a peaceful protest? that there are no illegal immigrants pouring from across the southern border? that there are a billion different genders?

[ The right cherry picks facts to support their opinions ]

lmao, do you mean like highlighting white cops shooting black suspects only? or focusing on the total combined pay of both genders to "confirm" the gender wage gap? or feminists conveniently staying silent on Lizzo and Cardi B but go in extra hard on Andrew Tate despite finding no evidence whatsoever?

[normalice]

@inhua those are the far right fake news's caricatures of the left's opinions. Not the lefts actual opinions. 🤷

[inhua]

do tell what the left's actual opinions are

[normalice]

@inhua diverse. You'll find a few who believe what you day, probably. You'll find a few that believe the exact opposite. Most just don't care because we have shit to do. So we pay attention pong enough for a measured fact to come up like "97% of the blm protests were 100% peaceful" and consider the matter.. not settled but clearly just another exaggerated culture war topic by a right wing media whose only goal is to get republicans in power, funded by far right billionaires because they are well aware there will never be a factual reason you or I would ever vote republican, since the only thing they ever do is give more money and power to billionaires.

In so many words, our opinion is you are being played by keeping you frothing mad about shit that doesn't actually affect you. Even knowing you'd still do it because youve basically built your whole identity around it a this point, so you have nothing else if you dont have your rage addiction. Which was the whole point in keeping far right media propped up with 24 hour access and professional think tanks for the last 4 decades. Which its always sad when rich assholes get what they want at the expense of the rest of us. That's our emotion, here. Our opinion isn't based on it. Our sadness, for you, is a result of the facts of your situation 😔

[inhua]

diverse? no, it's the same regurgitated bullshit inspired by Karl Marx Communist Manifesto where narratives must be preserved more than the truth e. g. we live in a systemically racist patriarchy that hates the LGBTQ

the political left has moved so far to the left that moderates are now considered far-right. there is only the truth and the does not with the political left. "far right" media as you call it is heavily outnumbered by the far left media in all platforms including the entertainment industry, social media, content creation, societal "norms" and the public school indoctrination camps

[normalice]

@inhua well, if you're just going to "nuh uh" facts when I lay them out, and proceed to blurt out more far right misinformation, I think we're done here.

[inhua]

you didn't lay out any facts. only propaganda

[normalice]

@inhua I did, though. It's just that no one can force you to acknowledge reality so you can simply say it isn't true. That's the most fundamental method of arguing right wing media trains its viewers to employ, after all..

[MrOracle]

"As a feminist I just want equality, I want the gap in stem to be recognised, the workplace issues, the higher SA statistics etc, I do not hate men, and never will, despite a lot of men recently becoming bad people, I'll never generalise, I am not a child and old enough to know not all men are like what I have mentioned above, I am also an advocate for men reversing the 'just be a man' mentality, where they keep in their emotions and feel weak to talk about their feelings, leading to men having the highest suicide rate in all countries. I genuinely believe, addressing this more, would lower a lot of male dominated crime rates."

This is the problem: you think many of these positions are reasonable, but they are not. Many are at the very root of the problem that feeds the more extreme feminist positions.

"As a feminist I just want equality"

Feminists don't want equality. Egalitarians want equality. There's a very good reason Feminists don't use that term - Feminists are pushing for female superiority. Equality was achieved in the 1970s.

"I want the gap in stem to be recognised"

Everyone knows that there's a gap - the gap is recognized. But here's the thing: most women DON'T WANT TO WORK IN STEM. And that's okay. The ones who do already have tons of set-aside positions, special scholarships, etc. that men don't have. Every company has programs to encourage women in STEM. If you think that it's ever going to get to 50/50 male/female, or anything close, though, it won't - short of FORCING women into STEM fields. And "Feminism" was supposed to be about women having CHOICES. It's funny that Feminism pushed that for so long but they're furious when women choose "non-feminist" careers, as if they were traitors to their gender.

"the workplace issues, the higher SA statistics etc,"

There have been laws in place since the 1970s, and plenty of men have been prosecuted or otherwise punished. Some criminality will always exist - both among men and women - but the system addressed this 50 years ago. If someone is willing to risk their job - perhaps their entire career or even their freedom - to sexually harass a female employee - you can't stop them, but they're going to get caught and punished eventually. We haven't stopped robberies, fraud, or murders completely either, and we never will.

"I am also an advocate for men reversing the 'just be a man' mentality"

And, again, this is a horrible position. Men are DIFFERENT, and men NEED to be men. You are advocating for men to act more like women, and that's WRONG!!! WRONG!!!

What men need is to be RESPECTED for being men - and that's precisely what Feminism has been tirelessly fighting AGAINST since the 1960s, and YOU - yes YOU - are part of the problem, whether you realize it or not.

One of the big reasons for men's mental health crisis is because men are no longer respected for their masculinity and for the many sacrifices they make as a result of it - instead, they are vilified and punished for it and told they are evil. THAT is the problem - not the stoicism that you would erase. Fighting men's stoicism is a Radical Feminist position.

If this comes across as harsh, it's because I'm trying to get through to you - to snap you out of the lies you've been taught. You THINK you are a male ally, but you really aren't, because even though you don't realize it, you're STILL pushing FEMINIST positions onto men, and THAT is what is causing the sexual divide.

Feminists DO NOT WANT male-female relationships - AT ALL. And that is the root of every position they have. They want women in charge of everything, and THAT is what is dividing us.

[Inbox]

Game, Set, Match

[myTake Owner]

I appreciate the time and effort you have put into your reply,

Let me start off by saying that there are two main things you need to know here, 1. Equality does not just include law, and law does not solley fix an issue. 2. Traditional feminism, like what I am, does not hate men. I am a feminist but in a hetereosexual relationship.

Okay now that that is established I will address your points,

'Equality was established in 1970' in terms of laws you are correct! However in terms of societal standards, this is untrue, women are still the main victims of domestic violence and sexual assault.(Yes I am aware men are less likely to report because of unfortunate standards pushed onto them.
Female genital mutiliation is still practiced in many countries, child marriage still exists in many countries, forced abortion, forced sterilization, sex trafficking, young girls not receiving education and more. These are mainly in third world countries, but they are still important to me, I won't turn a blind eye just because I'm white, some of these issues go undercover in the western world too, in heavily cultural families that have migrated to for example the UK or USA, they find loopholes to pull their daughters out of education, or marry them off in their home country before flying them back over here.

Now addressing the workplace issues;

Not all men are prosecuted, and in an enviroment dominated by men, coming out about being assaulted can unfortunately be ignored a lot. There shouldn't be such high work SA statistics in the workforce to start with. I am glad we have laws, but again, it's a good base, but doesn't work until enforced.

[myTake Owner]

Pt 2 (I had to put it into two, apologies.)

'Men need to be men'

I am not advocating for men to be like women, I am advocating for men to be able to address their mental health issues, you are still a man without bottling it up. Why do you think the male suicide rate is so high? and men dominate most crimes, It is an important issue and doesn't make anyone less of a man, I hope one day you realise that, as I am sure yourself you have your own struggles.

I agree we will never fully stop crimes, humans unfortunately will always have flaws, I have them, you do and so does the next person, however saying this doesn't address the out of balance difference in sex when it comes to being victims of these crimes.

Please do not tarnish traditional feminists, with the same brush as these extremists who claim to be feminists, I know it is hard, but generalisation only dumbs you down. I do not in any way hate men, How can I hate someone just for what they have inbetween their legs? To me thats irrational and stupid, I have a boyfriend I love so much, a father I absolutely adore, and a little brother who I would do anything for.

[jeffend888]

Talk about a mic drop.

[MrOracle]

You may not hate men, but even calling yourself a Feminist is anti-male, by definition. And, again, you're moving the goalposts by taking the discussion away from western societies and talking about the third world. Sure, many of those countries still need equality, but guess what? The vast majority of Feminists couldn't care less - they're only interested in western countries. That's who you associate yourself with when you use that term.

I don't want to dig at you anymore - I think you are trying to come from a good place, but some of your positions are misguided. Men and masculinity have literally been under sustained attack for decades, and men are fighting back, and watching these videos are part of that. Those videos are a REACTION to the systemic, institutional attacks that Feminists have implemented. If men weren't under such attack, there would be no need for those videos (and speakers, and forums, etc.) to even exist.

Whether you realize it or not, you are seeing everything through a radical Feminist lens - which is the ONLY kind of Feminism that you'll get in school at any level or from the corporate world, so that's not unexpected. But you don't seem to realize just how deeply it's been ingrained into you, and you don't seem to fully grasp the struggles that men are dealing with today. It's a good thing - a necessary thing - that they're defending themselves, and that's certainly not going to stop - it's going to continue to accelerate. Maybe it would be worthwhile to really understand WHY that's the case.

[Bl0n6eguy]

The male suicide rate is so high because men have very little to live for nowadays; with women excluding all but the upper percentile of men (along the lines of wealth, looks and status), we have no drive.

The extremists control the movement of Feminism and all it's campaigns; have you not seen the cliche in practically all TV and Films nowadays of men being incompetent losers who have to be saved or defeated by righteous feminist women? Batgirl, The Last Jedi, Indiana Jones, Charlies Angels... Media is entirely saturated by this. How do you think this makes men feel, and how do you think this will influence boys as they grow up?

Gen Z men put women on a pedestal and have crippling feelings of inadequacy as a result of feminists women "raising their standards" by placing unattainable financial, physical and reputational standards on them. Looking good is easy in my experience, which is the ONLY requirement men have for women, but expecting most gen Z men to have a good paying job after de-industrialisation and the pandemic recession is practically impossible.

[AngryCarl2]

@MrOracle Best answer. And I don't just mean to this question.

[Christsdisciple15]

How can you tell a feminist what feminists believe? It’s literally your own opinion? Lmao

It’s extremely telling that advocating for men to accept their emotions is apparently synonymous with advocating for men to be “more like women” like that’s honestly so sad that you bottle your trauma like that and can’t deal with your own emotional and psychological issues because you think it’s a threat to your manhood. this is not an insult I am truly just sad about it.

[MrOracle]

@Christsdisciple15 There's a need for some men to deal with their emotions better, no question. Those men either need to have some guy friends who they can talk to, or in some cases may need some professional help. That's real.

What they must NOT do is take this to their woman. That's how a man's respect gets destroyed, and how he supplies ammunition that she will use against him EVERY time she is upset at him for anything.

No one is suggesting that men don't need or shouldn't get help - we're suggesting WHERE to get that help and where NOT to get it.

[Christsdisciple15]

@MrOracle You sound like you’ve had negative experiences in your past. That’s unfortunate, and it’s sad that has affected your perception of things and has caused you to project. I hope that can change one day

[MrOracle]

@Christsdisciple15 This has nothing to do with me personally. I'm speaking FAR more broadly.

While I definitely enjoy my own private life, I've spent tons of times around large groups of people, having been a mobile DJ for 35+ years, playing at parties big and small most weekends. I'm constantly around people who are looking for love, or who are struggling in a relationship. I've seen people's personal stories thousands upon thousands of times. Some were my friends but often these are complete strangers.

And with the Internet, it's clear that these experiences are shared by millions of men across the country, as the same stories I've seen play out are discussed by countless men online. This isn't about me, and can't be dismissed as "one man's sad tale" - this is about MEN, at least men in western countries (I won't presume to understand other cultures enough to make such statements). And that's why I'm pushing back - you're WRONG, but I know these aren't your original ideas - you were TAUGHT these ideas by people who don't want to see women get along with men. I'm hoping that YOU can see the truth of that, but I know I can't reach everyone. I'm still going to try.

[Christsdisciple15]

If your perception isn’t based on anecdotal evidence then that is seriously concerning that you believe it is entirely rational to not share your emotions with any woman…. Do you not hear that coming out of your mouth? Can you not identify that you have some sort of unhealthy and baseless vitriol towards all women? It’s sad

[MrOracle]

@Christsdisciple15 No, it's science. LOTS (not all) of women will lose respect for their man if he doesn't maintain his emotions, because women look to men for emotional stability, and if the man isn't emotionally stable, that's a turn-off for most women - it gives them "the ick" for the guy. Sociologists are well aware of this phenomenon, as are many psychologists.

[JacobJordan]

some solid points and unfortunately some points that are drastically undermined by other women. most men recognize that feminism is about equality and here is the thing. men and women are equal. the second wave of feminism succeeded. The issue comes with certain claims like "men make more then women" we do not. factually we actually make about the same if not a little less. then we have the claim of "oh well women are not equally represented in government" which very true but here is the thing women do not naturally gravitate towards that type of job. women do not naturally gravitate towards stem, they do not naturally gravitate towards jobs that are generally dominated by men. Men and women are by biological design different. they are meant to compliment one another. neither is superior or better than. we each have our own talents and skills. skills that the other will never be able to achieve. Other major issues brought about that are causing this massive divide you are saying is coming from men is things like those extreme feminist very vocally saying all men should die, saying women should get an abortion if they are pregnant with a male baby, accusing all men of being horrible people, rapists, assaulters, etc they are using statistics without understanding how the statistic applies. A big big thing I have been seeing is men aren't spreading anti-women hate they are just leaving. Men are being told they are the problem constantly with absolutely no one sticking up for them but generally other men. if an entire half of the population hates and despises you (or at least seems to by the silence of those that don't but do not speak up) the best option is to leave. For example I see a lot of guys quoting the projected 50% of women will be single and childless by 2030 without understanding how that applies. first it isn't all women it is women aged 24-45 ish. secondly it is American women. thirdly that stat is comprised of a mix of guys saying they won't date American women. guys saying they are leaving america. women saying they won't date x, y , z etc a lot of little data points that result in such a figure.

As a married man I see a lot of young men and women thinking that the best option is to push the other away. men and women are perpetuating a cycle of fear and hatred. and it is only both men and women to fix it. many many bad choices have been made by women that is just the reality. they have made some very poor choices which have important psychological and biological consequences. many bad choices have been made by men as well. those poor choices likewise have important consequences. I get a wide mix of information and I do a lot of my own research and I will say. there is not as much support from women in regards to men as one would think. especially when compared to the amount of hate being pushed on men. when you look the other direction there is definitely hate being pushed on women but there is a lot more support being pushed on women from not only women but men as well.

to leave this with a few points. Should women be more present in Stem, Government, military etc? honestly? it is up to women. Women do not naturally gravitate towards those fields. the same way men do not naturally gravitate towards the fields women are in.

secondly I see a lot of information and questions from both men and women in regards to sexual past, partners etc. I also see a lot of very 1 sided call outs where people say "oh it is only bad if women do it" which is biologically, medically, and psychologically not true. It is actually bad for both men and women to have a lot of sexual partners. the effects are just different for both. That does not mean 1 has it easier. I think a large part of what would get people to start loving each other again is stop looking at each others faults and denying our similarities and start celebrating each others differences.

Women are amazing. they are capable of growing an entire human baby inside themselves and pushing it out. They are amazingly gentle and kind. Women are also amazingly resilient and strong and protective of the ones they love. they bring wisdom, patience and love to everything around them. It is thanks to women children become strong adults as men or women. Women are a force to be reckoned with and a force to be celebrated, appreciated and honored.

Men are amazing. They are capable of building anything especially if it is to impress the women they admire. They are amazingly protective and will go to the ends of the earth to protect the ones they love. They are sturdy and stable, they bring logic and fortitude to those around them. They are able to center those in their life allowing for clear thinking love. It is thanks to men and their endless fascination and urge to cherish and protect women that society marches forward. men are a force to be reckoned with and a force to be celebrated, appreciated and honored.

[DextroShade]

This is a lot to unpack here, but pretty much everything you said is wrong:

1. These aren't small sample sizes for our stats, for example the stat about 80% of women chasing the top 20% of men comes from dating apps with millions of users and the stat about 1 in 3 men being sexless comes from surveys from hospitals all over the country. Fresh and Fit have also interviewed over 2,000 women from all over the world with various levels of wealth and education.

2. What's harming young boys is teachers and society demonizing them for acting like boys and treating them like they are defective girls. This is why these boys are drawn to Tate in the first place.

3. Once again you have the cause and effect backwards: these men didn't just wake up one day and randomly decide to start hating women, they got to that point after years of getting rejected or screwed over by entitled, poorly behaved modern women who look diwn on them. They didn't create the divide they are just responding to it in kind.

4. Your comments about feminism show how ignorant you truly are: women have equality in that there are no rights that men enjoy that they don't, the gap in STEM is purely due to their own choices to study other things in school, and the definition of SA has been expanded so much by man-hating feminists to include things like drunken hookups and men lying about their status that it is now essentially meaningless.

5. Traditional women do still exist but are very rare: only 5% of women are virgins on their wedding day. Most of the "religious" women at churches are ran-through hoes or baby mommas who are there looking for some sucker to take care of them. The reason most men cannot be solo breadwinners is because feminism encouraged to women to work which flooded the labor market and reduced wages.

6. As for what we want to achieve I would say for most men it would be to get the sort of deal our grandfathers got where one guy working 40 hours a week at a blue-collar job could marry a virgin bride and afford a house, car, family, vacations, and retirement. Feminism and globalism have ruined that and we are all suffering for it, women included. This hatred you speak of is a completely justified reaction to the terrible wrongs that have perpetrated upon men. Feminism has never, EVER helped men and instead has hurt men, the family, and society immeasurably.

[RealMarek]

These phenomena (manosphere, incledom, etc.) didn’t just create themselves. It is important to understand the lay of the land with the large reduction in monogamy among young adults and how that is extremely challenging for many young men (and, I would argue, women who want commitment, but that is a different matter). The statistics are obvious and the phenomena to which they are pointing are real. That said, I think that indulging in self-pity or doom-spiraling in internet chat rooms is a dead end. That much I agree with.

I sympathize with young men, and it is important to not take the “tough love” approach too far or too fast. A bit of sympathy and recognition that there are serious social problems can go a long way to building trust. Once that happens, it is a lot easier to discuss what it will take to succeed in this environment. Obviously it’s important to quit videogame and porn addiction, to get into shape, etc. It’s important to be patient, because even if a lot of women are not interested in settling down when they are young, a lot become desperate to do so by their late twenties.

My advice to men is that if they want a family and to position themselves to weather difficult times ahead during de-dollarization, they should seek a woman who has motherhood as her primary goal and career as a necessity. Almost everyone must work, often to barely get by now, thanks to the globalist neoliberalism of our rapacious, greedy elites (may they be cleared out), but there is a difference between working out of necessity and working to seek status or fulfillment. I advise to completely avoid women who are under the influence of or embrace intersectional feminist ideology. There is absolutely zero point in being with someone who thinks you bear some class-based guilt or that you should face discrimination in order to right past wrongs. I also think young men should prioritize forming deeply rooted community bonds above seeking corporate power. Some people can do both, but many corporations demand rootlessness (frequent moves, etc.), burdensome hours during prime family-forming years, and believe me they will not hesitate to lay a person especially if he’s not from a “protected class” as soon as ESG metrics or economic changes make it expedient. With the coming breakdown of Western globalism, there will quite possibly be a return to locally-oriented economies and a reduction in complex, extended global supply chains in any case.

[RavVid]

It is a very wholesome and a good thing for men to ask what women are offering, and is it of value, and whether it is worth the effort that is required from them for what is offered. This at both the class level and the individual level but mostly at the individual level because mostly we are interested in a pair bond but it is strongly informed from the class level.

It is quite reasonable for men to decide that what is being offered to them is not sufficient or not worth what is required from them in return. Or to offer less value in return for what they perceive as less value.

You can't criticize or dismiss this, as it is an inherent part social deal making. It is the basic framework. It is entirely up to individual men to decide if they want a deal or not.

Obviously men are informed by other men's experience and some of that may be what you call anti-women media. A lot of this comes down to risk management and being informed on the risks which is just sensible.

Your criticism of surveys is overblown. To be published an academic paper would usually have a sample size that gives a confidence level of 95% and the results would include the p value. It certainly isn't esoteric maths. Interest group surveys might well not meet these standards.

I, for example, have made the decision not to marry. It is simply based on the median length of marriage being 8 years and that 80-90% of divorces are initiated by wives. In my assessment this is simply not a good value proposition. It would be like me going to the casino and putting all my assets plus a great deal of future income on red or black in a single role of the roulette wheel. I'm not going to do that of course so why would I marry?

It has nothing to do with being anti-women or misogynist. It is simply a risk/reward calculation.

[Kaamraj]

I think you are not listening to the men out there when they are saying that they are unable to find love despite their best efforts. This is due mostly due to social media and dating apps which flood women with cheap attention and options. You have refuted statistics but not provided any of your own. There are statistics to show that women find 80% of men unattractive on dating apps. Means that the average woman finds that average man unattractive. Add on top of that the western court system where women file most (70%) of the divorces, are awarded most of the alimony and child custody, and half of the man's assets. So most men are now seeing that the juice isn't worth the squeeze. A minorty of such men are going to South Asian countries to become Passport Bros and the govt there is welcoming them with open arms and their dollar investment.

I agree that the economic climate is poor, however men can fare it much better than women. Men constitute more than 70 % of the homeless, More than 90 % of the combat and workplace fatalities, nearly 80% self deletion victims, etc. And if it gets worse I dont think anyone will care. But it's also going to affect women as the average woman's income is insufficient to retire by herself single.

[Miristheiss]

Ah, I see the millions and millions OnlyFans sex workers, and millions of women obsessed with their careers and sleeping around and clubbing and partying from 16 through 25/27... they should have hoards of men yearning to commit to them and propose them and marry them?

Dude, the quality level and numbers of virtuous, classy, respectful, honorable, feminine women has NEVER BEEN LOWER in human history, Finding a woman who isn't a sex worker, who doesn't have 100 bikini photos on Instagram, doesn't have a body count of 10-20, who isn't obsessed with "girls night" at the club flirting with other men, not asking for open relationships, not covered in tattoos with EVERYTHING pierced is almost like finding a needle in a haystack.

No one hates anyone.

A wise man, if he finds a noble, loyal, classy, virtuous woman, will hold on to her and rejoice that he found a good one.

The rest of the TikTok, Instragram, boss bade, Onlyfans whore, loud mouth, cussing, crude, career women who want to live it up and party, and club and get tattooed and sleep around and then find a "nice guy" when she is almost 30... wise men should avoid them like the plague.

Unfortunately the latter type of woman is the norm and the classy, marrying kind is the minority.

lol, is there anyone who isn't on Onlyfans being a prostitute anymore? That decision is for life. You can never take that back and those porn pics will be available FOREVER.

FOREVER.

[monorprise]

To address issue #1 and specifically the largely female attachment to "feel a connection", which for a lot of women is about feeling secure.

I would like to say that the increased "education" of women has allowed many of them to foresee a far higher than reasonable level of threat to said security which in turn results in not "feel a connection" or "losing connection" for more non-realistic reasons that have nothing to do with their partner.

Example: He forgot to give her a hug for a few nights for example, and suddenly she thinks the relationship and her security is in peril and takes actions such as fighting which actually do put it in peril.

In truth the sense of "feel a connection" is as much about the insecurity of the person who feels disconnected, as it is the man or woman to whom they demand said "connection" from and can often become abusive when they overlook an larger number of irrational internal reasons for such "disconnection" rather than focus on and discuss logical evidence.

This is a real problem with a lot of modern women who have become as a lot ever more psychological disturbed and emotional damaged due to corrupting modern influence ranging from social media to feminism.

This in turn leads them to never take or abandon perfectly equitable relationships, simply because of their own deepseeted emotional issues which they have not addressed.

The irony being is they by remaining or becoming single embrace the very insecurity they were afraid of in feeling "losing connection".

If you want to live in the modern world you need to stop acting and thinking like a monkey, and use your reasoning.

[modeunae]

I haven't read anything you've written, but all I can say is it is important that men keep themselves grounded in reality, because, in today's time where women are praised for every little thing they do, no matter how insignificant it is, men are scrutinised for everything little thing that they do, even if it comes from their [our] biological system and reasoning. Women are praised for everything that they do to the point that "Believe All Women" is a thing, yet half the time women are lying about what happened to them, who said what, and twisting stories for their benefit.

Look at Amber Terd and Johhny Depp for example.

I don't say this to say everything happens in the way it did in that situation, but what I am saying is: If people, the general populace of the world, especially and particularly or at least in the West, can sit, listen to and believe the shit Amber Herd said-- if people can genuinely believe Amber Herd when she said what she said about a man who did nothing bad to her, who she actually assaulted-- Johhny is a very successful man. If he can face what he faces at his level-- what about the average guy? What about the average nigga? You're done.

If a man doesn't want to become effeminate, he needs to stay up to date with female fuckery, or else he himself will be fucked, and a lot of the time, a man doesn't need an Amber Terd to get screwed up. All he needs to do is believe what he is told by the world and comply, which you probably encourage men to do through what you posted. Blindly complying to this world is more than enough to fuck a man up for good.

[Anonymous]

Young men have been abandoned for generations at this point. They’ve been accused for being the cause of everyone’s pain, including their own and their masculinity is demonized. They’ve been given no guidance growing up and generally ignored, which has thrown them into crisis. Drug and substance abuse, gang violence, discriminatory courts, skyrocketing suicide rates, record low college rates, younger single women actually out earn men now. When people like Jordan Peterson come out and actually speak to them, even the simplest message is powerful because a large plurality of YOUNG MEN HAVE NO PURPOSE OR REASON TO LIVE. Minorities and women have been the focus for decades at the expense of average boys. Then when they demonize people like Peterson, it incenses those who look up to him and sets the stage for a more aggressive replacement like Tate. Bare in mind this is after decades of watching women divorce and ruin all the men in their lives. We’re looking at 2 generations of lost boys primed and ready to be radicalized by almost anyone who can point the finger at who’s responsible.


The media content speaks to these men because their entire lives have revolved around it, not because they can’t get a date. And no, this doesn’t end well. With the absurdly low birth rate that has been rapidly decreasing over the last 50 years, we’re actually headed for a population collapse and there is no stopping it. Who will fund social security for millennials and Gen Z when Gen Alpha is about 1/100 the size? We’ve spent decades inventing social problems to solve we never noticed the foundation crumbling.

[Exterminatore]

This is undoubtedly the best answer to this question and I think is very likely the best answer I have ever read on the plight of men in the west and the tyranny of feminism in brief.

Well said!

Should be the MHO, but we already know feminists will do all they can to silence the truth so your answer will not be highlighted as the top answer.

I did want to add that I think Peterson is pretty spot on about the subject of feminism. You mentioned Tate as being more radical. I am not familiar with his material though I do think men should become militant against feminism. Enough is enough. The gloves need come off an men need to start punching back with veracity.

[TooHot2Care]

Did women stop consuming anti-men media for the past 15 years?

Did enough of you make an effort not to humiliate every man who got near you who wasn't good enough for you?

Did you stop using men as objects and invalidating their emotions?

Here's an idea, are you still going around telling guys they are alone or they can't get dates because they are bad people?

Did you at least stop mass-validating these absurd ideas on social media?

Did you stop blaming "the patriarchy" for everything?

Did you quit pretending you didn't mean "men" every time you said "the patriarchy"?

Thing is, I agree with you. . . . I think men should stop consuming this anti-men content.

But, here is the problem : You have traumatized us for so long and so many times, and when we try to point this out, you claim we have a "victim complex".

You even got a good number of men on your side.

But you can't just sit down and tell them to stop doing what you've been doing for years.

That's not how this works.

That's not how any of this works.

[007kingifrit]

1. "SURE THERE ARE STATISTICS BUT DO YOU UNDERSTAND THEM"... yes, we understand the stats, you just wish they were untrue

2. studies predict 40% of women will be single by 2040, its hurting everyone, but the fact is feminists have low birth rates, not us. so we are the future.

3. no you created the sex divide by trying to defy your role

4. men and women are not equal, they evolved to be different, you can have fairness with us, you evolved to compliment us. but you can't have that kind of equality, you can't have 50% female leaders as woman are inferior leaders

5. we know they still exist, they are the norm, only 1/3 of women under 30 identify as feminists, the number is dropping not increasing

6. as i already said, we are replacing you, our birth rates are high, your birth rates are low. you are temporary, we are nature. feminist movements are not uncommon in history, they happened in the 1500s, they happened before christ even existed, they always go extinct. feminism is the genetic equivalent of herpes, it crops up now and then but it goes away eventually.

[Anonymous]

I don't know the ins and outs of what Tate says but young boys are flocking to him and other pick-up artists like him, not to mention MRAs and MGTOW for a reason.

Feminism teaches them that they are either monsters whose very existence perpetuate a system that oppresses women or bumbling fools who cannot do anything right without a strong and intelligent woman watching over them.

All of these channels I mention actually talk to them, they tell them that they are not monsters or fools but individuals with their own thoughts, feelings, interests and goals. In which case, I would argue would make them more attractive to women.

Pickup artists are geared to deliver advice on how to get a girlfriend (some are obviously better at it than others), MRAs fill them in on inequalities that feminists neglect to fill them in on like the Dultuh Model or Hermessmann v. Seyer and MGTOW tells them that remaining single is a viable option and that they should improve themselves for themselves and not for the goal of attracting the opposite sex.

I rarely see the latter two speak ill about women themselves about feminist ideology, modern culture and the laws that the culture created that ensures its survival.

If feminism wants these boys back, it is going to have to make a lot of changes within itself. If you ask me, it needs to stop shaming them for essentially not being girls and the entire idea of the patriarchy must be disposed of becuase it sounds a little too much like Nazi ideology but with men instead of Jews.

[Anonymous]

but you are full of crap when you say you want "equality", how come you are not advocating for forced conscription for women in the military like they do for men? , the wage gap has been debunked because mostly women choose lower paying jobs, in addition the jobs that men do that society would fall apart and civilization all done almost exclusively by men like building every building where you live or work, creating the infrastructure, even with all that aside there should still be a wage gap in favor of men because based on income alone women don't date or choose generally speaking someone who earns less money than them, so you would think that we would try to pay everyone the same to be fair on the surface seems well intentioned, but women ruin it because instead of being grateful, for their excess income, they are still unfair in terms for not giving a chance to someone who earns as much or less money than themselves. so that leaves many men out. also regarding equality how come you are not advocating for equality and fairness in divorce and alimony where more than 90% of the cases the men has to pay. men get convicted for longer time for the same crimes as women in average. how come you dont advocate for women paying more on dates? how come feminists take for granted as I mentioned the most dangerous jobs that men take military, firemen, fishing , logging? feminism has never been about equality. That's is an absurdity

[richardcory]

I think its the result of social media bubbles: the only things people hear about another group is what their own extremists say about that group. Happens to men and women. They lose track of the fact that "women" or "men" are people, some good, some bad, all different

[myTake Owner]

I could not agree more, absolutely brilliant point. Thank you.

[inhua]

the feminist media has been saying women are pure and innocent and can do no wrong and that they are victims of a patriarchal society. men who don't believe in these lies are deemed "oppressive misogynists" for trying to control them

[Exterminatore]

Being anti feminist and anti woman are not the same thing.


Feminists are degenerate man haters, most especially 3rd wave feminists, whom all people should dislike. Just like commies, the only good feminist is a dead feminist.


I get it though. Feminists don’t want men undoing the brainwashing they have continually barraged men with for nearly 70 years. Uninformed and ignorant people are easier to to control and subjugate. Feminists wouldn’t want men figuring out that it’s men who are oppressed and marginalized in western societies.

[D_Bone_Steak]

"Let us take advantage of you" is pretty much all I'm hearing.

Finding one of these good women isn't going to happen as fast if we waste our time getting "tricked" by the ones that are made for the streets or hung up on far-leftist talking points. Being a PUA and putting women on a pedestal while simping out isn't going to help either.

I mean you might call it hate, I call it just not getting taken advantage of. Sure there is those out there that use slurs and hate, but you've got the same in the feminist camps that call for killing all men. Let those people cancel each other out... let us focus on the ill logic and sort of figure out what's really going on.