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Do you believe that women are really still being oppressed by men? (Page 3)
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"Women" are oppressed as a concept and whole.
"A woman" is likely not oppressed as a person and individual.
Simple enough.
I think that this oppresion of women ended in america in the 60s, but the American political dirtbags keep resurrecting it for their political agendas, if you want women oppression look too the devils in the musilum world.
The fact that there are male gynecologist shows how real oppression is - women have to quite literally let some creepy man stick his fingers in her before she can ask if it's ok with him if she has sex & if he can give her some contraceptives...
What kind of BS is this?
So males should be excluded from being OBGYNs despite their medical skills?
Would you say the same to excluding women from being urologists?
Tell you what Jetz, when men can have periods or babies... then maybe we should start telling women that we know what's best for their bodies.
Though with prostate cancer being one of the fastest growing killers in the developed world, maybe if some of the creepy male gynos, who've decided their life calling is to work exclusively with the female sexual organs, stopped playing don juan and started being real doctors, men's health wouldn't be so under represented and so many men wouldn't needless die each year.
Ironic. In a thread complaining about oppression, you are judging medical professionals by their sex and labelling them creepy simply because of their gender.
Newsflash: there are female OBGYNs out there too. If you aren't comfortable with a male physician, choose a female physician.
Personally, I care about getting the most skilled and professional physician, not their gender. But that's just me...
Nothing creepy about a male gyno, I don't like a woman's hand in my puss. There both strangers groping me. But I will say in my experience and man is more gentle. My husband's theory is men have been feeling up girls since high school. Most girls don't spend time fingering their own or each other's. Men have the edge there, most men know the way of a woman's body. Even before med school.
Like male gynos, I have a cock and balls so I don't need to choose a Gynecologist... however it's a shame that there's so many men ready to jump into the field of vagina and breasts when there's a male health pandemic which they seem to care a lot less about than chatting to teenage girls about their sex lives.
And yes, gender does matter, do male gynecologists really think anyone believes their argument that they get turned on by touching breasts and fingering vagina... but only outside the 9-5 work window? Male gynecologists are creepy and given the near weekly abuse scandals show, many are little more than well educated sexual predators.
Tell me, if you were a parent and you were right, gender was totally irrelevant in this world, would you hire a male nanny? Would you go to work happy to leave an unmarried man in his 40s washing and dressing your infant girls unsupervised? just curious.
Ladyegg67 - you sound like you have a cool husband... but does the understanding work both ways? Is he allowed to go visit a woman of his choice once a year to get his stick fiddled with?
@HarryStyles
This is the end result of third wave feminism: men are to be condemned and deemed sub-human just for being men.
You have begun by suggesting that male doctors can't be professional simply because of their gender. Imagine if I had said that about any female doctor. Imagine the uproar. Heck, imagine the uproar if I had suggested that female urologists were "creepy".
Next, you suggested that it would be creepy for an "unmarried man in his 40s" to wash and dress my infant girls unsupervised. This is a rather futile attempt to suggest that your bigotry and misandry is universal.
To answer your question, I would have the same issue with any individual touching my children regardless of the gender of my child or the caregiver. I wouldn't allow any man or woman to be in a position to touch my children unless I were absolutely certain of their character.
By your logic, my cousin having me take my pre-school goddaughter to the bathroom when I'm babysitting is creepy.
@HarryStyles
You may have a problem with male OBGYNs. But I assure you, most men don't have a problem with a female doctor to the point where they find it creepy or would refuse service. And usually, if they have any personal discomfort with it, the suck it up and get through the appointment.
But again, I fail to see the complaint, is there such a lack of female OBGYNs that there's a problem finding one for women who are uncomfortable with male physicians?
By the way, if you've ever talked to a doctor, you will find that most do not find probing women some great turn on. As one doctor I know put it to me, "I only get to see women when their sick or pregnant." He once confided that his job actually occassionally turned him off from sex altogether some evenings (not great for his wife).
@HarryStyles
You should note that the Taliban had the same opinion on which gender physicians should treat which gender patients.
Would you like to endorse any other Taliban policies on women?
In reality, you are simply another controlling male, who thinks he knows what's best for women. In this particular instance, you've decided that the doctor's professional qualities are irrelevant and that his gender labels him a creep. Never mind the care he could provide to your daughter or wife.
Keep your stance for your family. Feel free to impose it on your wife and daughters (if they'll suffer you).
I care enough about the women in my family to ensure that they get best care possibility with doctors who make them feel comfortable. Gender of the doctor is irrelevant. My family's care and comfort comes first.
love it! I question the fact that so many men decide that they want to work exclusively with the female sexual systems when the equivalent field for male patients is so under-representative, resulting in the needless deaths of hundreds of thousands of men every year... and the best response you can have is that asking such things makes me religiously extreme?
I reiterate, Male Gynecologists are creepy. I don't believe that someone can only be turned on by touching breasts and finger vagina outside office hours, I do believe many see this as a 'perk' of the job and are more than happy when a good looking girl enters the exam room.
You can argue that working with an erection doesn't stop them doing their work... but the motivations of any man who decides he wants to become a gyno is impossible not to question - and equally it's impossible not to question why, if there are equally qualified & capable women available, any lady would choose to strip and spread for one of the perverts.
I feel sorry for someone so ignorant that they actually claim that their ignorance is enlightenment.
Like I said, you're endorsing views that the Taliban implemented as one if their very first policies. So, yes, you have views in common with some real oppressive nutjobs. Worth pointing out. Especially, since the Taliban also argued that they were liberating women from male attention... Just like you are here.
Then you go on to question why women would choose to "strip" for a male physician. Really? Now resorting to slut-shaming? You just proved my point about you being a controlling patriarchal know-it-all.
In any event, the mere existence of male OBGYNs is not oppression. You haven't proven why, despite your personal opinion.
If the presence of so many males in that profession bothers you, then you should be asking why more female physicians aren't taking up the specialty. Perhaps you'd like rules that force women doctors into the specialty regardless of their interests.
By the way, you haven't presented any evidence that there are shortages of urologists.
What there is a shortage of is research into prostate cancer. But I'm sure you knew that doctors aren't researchers right?
When doctors want to further their education and become a specialist they often apply to multiple disciplines in hopes of being accepted to one, they can only enter the field that has an opening and accepts their application. So perhaps it's an institutional short coming that so few doctors focus on men's health issues.
By the way, rising malpractice costs are causing a shortage of OBGYNs.
How about asking women if they'd rather have no doctor at all? That's the alternative if male physicians decide on a different specialty.
By the way, it's not just OBGYNs that see a lady's bits. So do family physicians when necessary. Are you going to insist that male family physicians are creeps or women who see them are sluts?
Yes, but the difference between family physicians and those men who choose to become gynecologists is that general doctors haven't decided that for a job they want to spend their days exclusively touching and rubbing girls sexual organs and trying to find out the details of teenagers sex lives...
... and that malpractice costs are rising probably has a lot to do with the near weekly sexual abuse scandal involving male gynecologists... just spend 20 mins on the web, you can find literally thousands of hidden cam videos made by male gynecologists filming their nude, spread patients... I'm sure Dr Levy, Dr Becton, Dr Yacoub and the rest in the news the last few months are just the tip of the pervert iceburg.
An insurance company would need to be mad to cover the acts of a male gynecologist - it's probably safer had they been asked to insure one of Michael Jackson's kiddies sleep overs!
Yes everywhere in the world you will always have those douche bags every where you go who ruin it for the rest of the guys.
I don't know about America, but everywhere else: "Yes."
No use ur body physically and verbally flirt , tease and seduce him and no one can oppress u.
In most developed countries no. Are we perfect? No. I don't think we "opress" women that would imply they have no chance at all to succeed.
In certain countries and certain cultures yes, but universally the fight for women's right is still very much needed.
In the UK, a man and woman could do the exact same job, the woman could be more qualified and statistically she'll get less of a salary then her male counterpart which I think is repugnant.
That's a lie, there's absolutely no proof of that, because it's illegal. Women get paid the same for the same jobs, the reason they make less is because they choose different careers, take more days off, work less hours on average, and are more likely to stay home to look after kids.
That's just what I heard from the BBC in a news bulletin. So if I'm incorrect, then I stand firmly corrected.
I agree. I don't think women can't make a better salary but it's still the good ole boys who run the USA. There are more men in CEO positions with higher salaries than women. It's slowly changing but women still in areas are treated as less valuable.
@Exotica.
You should chat with Sheryl Sandberg.
In this day and age, women can be whatever they want to be.
They just don't want the consequences of those choices. So, they want to be CEOs or senior partners. But most don't want to put in the hours or sacrifice family life to get there. And then they blame men.
Sandberg was back at work weeks after she gave birth. How many women want that lifestyle?
Men do oppress women. So many guys treat their girlfriends poorly.
Feminism won't stop men from oppressing women.
Girlfriend being treated poorly is not even close to what oppression is.
same way i believe women are emotionally bullying men
Younger guys and some older guys still don't get that MOST girls could go out and get just about any guy they want for sex... For this reason alone I believe women are not opposed, not have they been.
Oppression and equality has nothing to do with getting sex. Women have always been able to go out and get sex.
Yeah, there's a difference. Any body can go anywhere and get sex. This doesn't have to do with oppression.
An attractive guy can't just walk out into the street and pick up a girl and fuck her... an attractive girl can since men everywhere are looking for a quick shag.
Oppression is more than not getting laid.Much more: it involves abuse and finance.
As for going out on the streets to get laid, they COULD do it...until their family catches them or until they meet a creep who rapes them. (or softer: until everyone they know starts calling them a 'slut'.)
I think women oppress us men more, then we do them now a days.
Can't think of any examples, because I feel so oppressed right now.
Yes and no. People look down on women if they are stay at home moms or if they try and act like a man. At the same time women can get away with things men can't, for example being able to wear pants and skirts. Its a a 50/50.
No it's not he same as it use to be 50 years ago, but I feel it's OK only when she wants to be oppressed by the right man.
I think women oppress men too much especially feminists. The divorce rates explain it all. The tighter you hold onto something, the more it slips away
Hey man, I just down voted you but it was supposed to be up. Sorry.
Divorce is women's fault? Last time I checked it takes two to get married in the first place. "Divorce rate explains it all" bullshit!
H EHEHH HAHAHH!! THAT'S RIGHT, GET ANGRY YA WESTERN WOMEN!!!
You're an idiot
Nah, more like a genius no one underatands
@Exotica. Most divorces are initiated by woman. Most custody given to women. Most alimony and child support paid by men. Seems like after they are done using a man for his sperm and parental investment in the early years, they take the kids and leave and stick their dad with the bill.
Modern Western women don't care about marriages or their families. Stats don't lie.
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Not oppressed but they are still not equal. Women still don't make equal pay as men.
If you take into account the different life choices that men and women make, yes they do. Read what this (female) journalist has to say: money.cnn.com/.../
No, professors at my state university don't make as much as men for doing the same job. Don't try to argue just because you're a guy. You know it's true.
Well the reason is because women go on leave when they get pregnant and most women eventually do have kids so that's why they are not as "reliable" as men in that regard hence the lower pay.
Women don't do the same jobs as men. How many women join the trades, the armed forces, police services, etc? How many women ranchers and farmers do you know? How many women roadworkers have you seen?
The bulk of dirty, dangerous work is done by men. The tough intellectual work (engineering, finance, etc.) is done by men. Yet, women still complain about pay equality.
Jetz80, I don't think you understand what pay equality means. Pay equality means men and women doing the SAME job and both of them getting paid equally, unlike in modern day america where men and women do the SAME job and 9 times out of 10 the men make more.
Shep2013. Show statistics or sources to back up your point that women are underpaid for doing the very same job in 2014.
Increasingly that pay gap is nonexistent or can be controlled for by other factors (maternity leave for example).
When feminists complain about pay equality though they always cite national pay rates. They seem to have tough times pointing out specific occupations where women are deliberately underpaid.
I'd like to see your evidence for "9 out of 10 times".
But men work for longer in their lives... Retirement age is 65 for men and 61 years and 5 months for women... that's the only way I see why pay is higher for men... and what about child support and other taxes we need to pay that only benefit women?
Why should men get a higher salary if their working longer? That makes zero logical sense. They're working for a longer period of time so they should make more even though they're making more? wtf? It's completely 100% unfair that women should get paid less for doing the same job as a man, lets say for example, a professor of economics. She went to school to get her pHD. She paid to get her Phd just like the man did. She did her tenure just like the man did. But she still earns less? That is bullshit.
the claim that women earn less than men for the same work today is utter bullshit and has been disproved over and over. gender discrimination in the workplace is illegal and has been for many years. employers have human resource professionals who are paid to make sure it doesn't happen. there would be lots of lawsuits if there was real, unjustifiable differences in pay for the same work, but those lawsuits are rare because that discrimination doesn't exist. if employers could pay women less than men for the same work, they would only hire women and never men. think about it...
honestly, one of the biggest reasons women don't get as much respect today as they could is because of the constant whining about this sort of nonsense.
Shep2013, i have to call you out on your claim that "men and women do the SAME job and 9 times out of 10 the men make more". that is a lie and you have been drinking too much kool aid. do you really believe employers could get away with that? think about it.
so yeah, gotta call you out on that bullshit. show proof. statistics. let's see em man.
nope! totally the opposite. thanks to all the help they get from our pussywhipped society of course
There is oppression. It is not as relevant as it used to be but it is still present. I think the #yesallwomen does in the most part explain these quite well.
It is still somewhat present in Western countries, that's for certain (This coming from an ardent anti-feminist)
Its hard to say with all d violence in the the world. I'd say I dont know
No. Women are only oppressed because they feel oppressed.
Lol no. This is a typical threat narrative, the same bullshit racist's, gay bashers and religions push on people, it's supporters are immune to logic, facts and accountability.
Yes, everywhere it's 2018 and and people are still animals who think women are less than men, and it seems from the start and still that women are satisfied with their spot, that's why I hate most women
no, not at all. I hear statistics about women making less but I question that.
I didn't even know feminism as a movement or cause still exists. sounds like a relic from the 60's.
It is true that on the average women make less than men. You have to look at the wording they use. Women make exactly the same as men if they work the same job as men. However, on the national average, women make less than men for many reasons. Like, there are more men in the workforce than women. More women are home makers, there are more women than men that work part-time, if a woman does take a job outside the home, many times its just for extra money so she takes a lower paying job maybe part time or full time. The feminazis make it sound like women make less than men per job. This is horse shit. They make I sound like if a women replaces a man on some job, they automatically get paid less.
Women don't choose dirty, dangerous or high stress jobs. That's why they get paid less.
And when they do make more? They complaint about finding men who aren't at their level.
I'm anti feminist if anything.
What does antifeminist mean? Just curious
Truthfully only if they allow it and put up with it.
I don't think so. I think women just want to make excuses and blame males for certain shortcomings.
I was really hoping this would have a poll!
No.
I wonder how amazingly your brain works ;)
NO. Only a feminist would say so
well it seems most women want men to dominate them
In the bedroom, nowhere else.
Actually not just the bedroo but outside as well, they want the guy to be the leader in the relationship
Female should have new rights and more.
why should women have more than men?
obvious troll is obvious
Not troll.they need more power.
I strongly dissagree. this is why men are going their own way.
why do women "need more power" than men? please explain. i thought equality was the goal, not superiority.
The whole issue is such a cliche -__-
not in the least
Yes, they are.
No they aren't, but they should be!
That is silly.
No its just true.
yea they should be. maybe that would shut them up for once
Im too lazy to read this
No, some women are cunning whores by nature.
You sir give men a bad rap!
We still are.