I mean, if most women don't find this attractive and acceptable:
Then what the fuck makes people think that men should find this attractive and acceptable? :
Women's clothing is often form fitting or used to accentuate certain body parts, or change how some lengths appear, unlike men's clothing. Plus sized models let me see what clothes would look flattering on somebody with a similar body type. While I am shopping online, guess what I cannot do? Try the clothes on. Not being able to see it just makes it even more impossible. Almost everything with a size above a 16 deserves somebody fitting to model it.
And why, oh why, captain anon should anybody care if YOU think that plus sized models shouldn't exist? Also, who said all men and women don't like plus sized people? Why do we try to say any kind of body isn't acceptable? For the love of god, people are so self entitled.
Get over it.
Well there are plus size women trying to buy plus size clothing so it makes sense that they would want to see what that clothing looks like on them.
@Dandeus That doesn't help if someone is trying to order online.
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It's not like you get the model's height and measurements.
Isn't that what free returns are for?
I'm a big and tall guy and I shop online as often as in stores. I never ever look at male models as stand-ins for myself because none of them look like me. I know my size. If I like the pattern or style, I buy it at try it on at home.
I'm only a 2XL guy... some of the big and tall male models may be 2XL guys (doubt it), but they sure as hell aren't 4XL or 5XL guys. Those size guys shop online too and don't need models, and certainly aren't asking for them.
Okay so I'm guessing you guys don't really shop online. This is how it works for girls: You take your measurements in the places and the way the site tells you to and then you decide what size you are. Then you browse the site based on your size. The site may just have pics of the clothing on like hangers or it will have it on size x mannequin or size y model so you can see how the clothing falls etc... So if you're a 12 and you're looking at a size 12 model you figure that the way the clothing looks on the model should be how it looks on you since you're the same size. And you can feel good about ordering.
But if the site lied about what size the model was based on their system then you get the wrong size and you have to go through the whole disaster of sending the clothing back, trying to guess what size you REALLY need, hoping it's in stock, and then re-ordering. That's 3x the amount of effort and 3x the time. That's why it's incredibly useful for women to see models in their size
Irrelevant. Clothes look different on everyone.
Yes, you do get height and some other measurements a good portion of the time.
Women's clothing has incredibly varied sizing between countries and manufacturers, and there can sometimes be as much as a size and a half of difference between two garments with the same label. If a dress fits my shoulders and bust? It probably does not fit my waist curve properly. If I find a good pair of jeans I need to try it on, because there is almost no way that it fits my hips AND my waist without being tight in the thighs. Consider the waist size, high hips, low hips, inseam, thigh and calf sizes and just figure that there are at least eight different fit styles for an article of clothing of that size. Every country does shoes differently. Just think of how much time it saves to see a model that is your approximate size and shape in the outfit already!
As a guy, your clothes are all almost universally made to the same dimensions so feel privileged. And seeing it MATTERS for us.
Okay. I don't know if you realize this, but different clothes are made out of different materials and have different cuts and that makes them all fall in different ways.
So if a woman sees a dress like this www.modcloth.com/.../soda-fountain-dress-in-grape on a size 6 mannequin she's going to know that by size 16 she's going to looking at a different dress so she needs to know if it will fit or not media1.modcloth.com/.../img_462w_11280a88b1f9.jpg
YES, I know, right? It can be SO hard sometimes. Even in stores where you can try things on, and even if you have an ideal body type and weight, it is time consuming to find something that fits right and is cute while still being your style. And if you work in a store around the fitting rooms? You will constantly be asked for a second opinion because even we do not know sometimes with mirrors. Models appropriate for the clothing are an online godsend, and not every country or store has free return shipping!
Ugh, I know. I am in Canada, right? Tons of places even locally here have expensive shipping, and a number of our brands use UK measurements or the measurements from France. Like it's not okay to order a $14 pair of shorts or something that costs $9 for them to ship, have it take a week or two to be delivered, then pay $20 to send it back (because consumer and industrial shipping have different pricing) and get a replacement size a month later that STILL may not fit if you have wide hips and a small waist.
Yes, we do order online. Big and tall guys order online A LOT. Men generally have a more limited selection of clothing options compared to women, and B&T guys have almost nothing. Plus size women can find boutiques catering to them in all kinds of places. There are like 2 chains of B&T stores with a pretty narrow selection. Macy's carries B&T, but only has in-store sections in a few major metropolitan stores. JC Penney has B&T sections in almost all of their stores, but they're typically limited to maybe half a dozen racks crammed in the back of the store.
Guys who shop B&T are used to seeing male models who look like this.
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In looking for that photo, I found an article that confirmed that the typical model for B&T is 6'3" and wears a size XL, and most of them are ex-athletes with muscular frames.
You go into a B&T store, you're more likely to see the guy from the first photo above. Shorter than 6'3" and significantly bigger than an XL.
@Dandeus Okay so instead of saying "grrr we don't have those so you don't need them either" why don't we both look as say "dang it would be good if there was more diversity in models for all genders"?
Models for clothes is one thing but pretending its attractive is an entirely different animal.
Young people should not grow up thinking it's OK to be fat.
Okay that's a different question than the one you're asking though, OP. You said "are plus-size models necessary?" And the answer is yes.
Whether there's a correlation between the existence of plus size models and if they make people feel an irresistible urge to consume a cake with lard frosting is a whole different situation.
Attractiveness and acceptance is covered in the details. It is the core of the issue.
Walmart for example only carries articles of clothing up to 5x, Winners to 3x, Mark's Work Warehouse to 7x, and places like old navy I have seen 2-3x clothes in. The problem for male clothing from the perspective of somebody who works in a clothing store is that it is tailored to girth rather than height. Often you will find that above a certain size threshold you may fit an XL, but it is an inch too short to feel right. Locally, we have three stores catering specifically to big and tall men. One of them is exclusive to suits and business attire.
But let's not mistake that for something else. Those sizes are very consistent. You are not left wondering if they give you the article's dimensions. An XL shirt would fit somebody with around a 40-46 inch ribcage depending on the stretch in the fabric up fitting a height of around 5'6" to 6'2" appropriately, adding around inch to height (which doubles for your belly) and around four inches to girth every step disproportionately.
Oh god, your issue is not whether they are useful, but rather body hate? Like get the crap out, not all people are created equally. My mother was a size 10 before her thyroid went (and a LOT of women's will crap out, statistically around 40% over the years), and going up to a size 22.
OP these women don't care if you find them attractive or not. They want to just find clothes that FIT. Should people you deem unattractive just wander around naked. "Like hey no worries OP Anon says I'm ugly so I don't have to wear pants today."
@Alyssass All this logic UGH. You are awesome with the numbers though! WTG!!!
Obesity related illnesses cost the health system up to and over 200 billion $ per year.
That's 10 % of all medical spending.
And glorifying fat bitches does not help for the future and will only increase this number.
Thyroid problems can also cause weight loss as well as weight gain and is a treatable illness. Using that as an excuse for being fat is a cop out.
Most fat people are fat due to poor lifestyle choices.
Thank you xD
It's weird though? I worked in Walmart for like a year and a half and I am still working in retail (ironically now in a plus size women's store) so I have seen enough of their product lines lines. I actually sleep in a lot of Walmart's 3x guy tees because they are like a tunic on me at my height and they were like $8.
Old Navy totally has cute 1x guy flannels and button-ups that fit my bust, but their prices can be rude sometimes. Mark's is probably just in Canada and that 7x shirt is real, I bought it as a joke gift for my step brother. They have some women's clothes too though, like these packs of underwear and they are just so soft and comfy that it is not fair. Winners is just for dresses and t-shirts sometimes, and I have never even walked into target, the bay, sears or khols here. xD
Like what is even remotely wrong with having plus size models? Oh no, because she may look slightly more acceptable to the opposite gender it must be promoting obesity, shut it down!
@Alyssass It sounds like a lot of stores up there are way more specialized than they are here. No wonder there are so many challenges!
I don't get it either. Like people have to have clothes to wear regardless of what size they are. A woman could be a freaking perfect 6 but have wide hips or a full bust and she might have to go up several sizes and then tailor down. It doesn't make her worth less just because she's finding clothes that fit her body.
Yeah, I love that about living here! You can find a whole lot of things if you look hard enough, I think I have visited most of the stores in my city because I live in our downtown core. If I had a perfect body, I would totally want to live in the US though. Your malls are absolutely amazing compared to our tiny ones.
Sometimes nothing will help though. Like if you are a tall girl (like 5'11+) and you have a wideset body, you are just out of luck unless you want to look like a dude. And it may be a sore topic for some people, but I feel really bad for some of the transwomen who have gone bra hunting here. The 42-44Bs that we have are already a nonstandard size and they do not fit some of them well.
@Alyssass LOL! that can depend on where you live. Especially with a lot of anchor stores going out of business and closing stores all over the place.
It seems like if you have a body that's unconventional in any way it's suuuuuper hard to find anything. That has to be an unfortunate shift for them :c It's not like you can really tailor a bra either.
lol yeah, I suppose it does! Two of my friends used to tell me all about the ones they have in Orlando and Tampa, but those are really popular tourist spots. My BFF is stuck in Alaska right now and Anchorage just sounds like a really crappy place for her to do anything, not that Indiana sounded much better outside of Indianapolis. I have also heard that like NYC and Portland are heaven for shopping.
I'm not saying "we don't have them so you shouldn't get them," I'm saying we don't have them, need them, or ask for them yet overweight guys still manage to dress themselves.
To suggest that trying on clothes and seeing how they look on your own body, then exchanging them if necessary, is some kind of unmanageable burden seems silly.
@Dandeus It is a huge burden especially when you're like @Alyssass and having to pay postage both ways. You might be getting a $12 pair of shorts but by the time you've bought a pair and exchanged it at $5 in shipping each way they're coating you more than $30. And they're just shorts! I don't know how your budget works but I certainly can't afford to double the price of everything I buy.
I wouldn't even consider the people in you're pics plus size there pretty obese.
Well, I was that guy, but no longer. People are people big or small. Not everyone can be a supermodel, even with diet and exercise. Many times, the heavier girls are smarter than the thin ones. And I would rather have the brains than the looks.
They won't go in a damn plus size store. A friend was plus size. At the mall she's looking in all these "trendy" stores. NOTHING in hat one, nothing in this one. I'm thinking WHY don't you just go in the plus size store?
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Because women want to force us men to believe fat women are attractive, in reality they are NOT some guys like it but its like a very small minority. It's good to feel good about yourself but SOME fat girls are delusional thinking that they are hot.
Yes!
Yeah, the woman is unhealthy and obese. I think it's more of an agenda to accept grossly overweight people, which is not a good thing. There are some models though that are considered "plus size" who aren't nearly that big, just slightly more than the average model, which is fine, those women are still attractive (at least in my mind).
Yeah. I think it's great that there are plus sized models. Nowadays girls think that you need to be skinny to be beautiful but that's not true.
What? Yes it is
You are entitled to your own opinion, but keep in mind that beauty comes from the inside.
Yes that's correct. From the inside as in only putting healthy food inside your body and getting regular exercise so you don't get fat.
Hey, if you know that, good for you. Me eating an entire cake doesn't hurt you, right? There is no need to say somebody that is bigger than you is unattractive or shouldn't be accepted. Ya know?
If you eat an entire cake and have a heart attack at the same time as someone crashes up the back of my car and leaves me losing blood as I wait for the hospital to take care of your gluttony and die then you eating an entire cake has hurt me.
We all have to share the same health system and it woud run a lot more efficiently if there weren't so many fat people clogging it up with their fat-related health problems.
Less fat people would also lower insurance premiums.
I don't know what planet you're on, but where I am overweight men are twice as if not even more accepted than their women counterparts.
They are not accepted as beautiful but rather humerous in a laugh at not a laugh with kind of way.
Which isn't really acceptance at all if you think about it.
Its so much easier for an overweight man to get a normal weight girlfriend than it is vice-versa. That's all Im saying. I personally think both of those figures should be more promoted in the media as everyone has a right to acknowledge their beauty (whilst clearly everyone doesn't have the taste to see it)
God help you
Is anyone else trying to imagine how those two would fuck.
ROFL!!! haha i am not the only one =)
Christ. I hate Tess Monster with every fibre of my being. Lies about her size and is heralded as an "inspiration".
Good god no. It only serves to normalize poor health and feelings over facts. Especially that one that made the cover of cosmo... EWWWWWWW. Land whales should not be on the covers of magazines
I don't understand why you chose a picture that was clearly photoshopped for the female model. ?
It's a perfect example of trying to make something disgusting less so for the purposes of shaming society into accepting it.
No models need not to be to skinny or to fat they need to be healthy and a healthy weight that way it's a good strive to physically go for
first pic made me very turned on actually :D
lmao!!! thank you =)
No. If you’re plus size you need to lose weight
Are models in general really necessary?
Yes it does regardless of you like it or not.
Plus sized models for plus sized clothing.
They should keep it away from the general public by keeping them in catalogues for that kind of clothing though.
People shouldn't be led to believe it's healthy and OK to be fat let alone attractive
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