Is the Bible an immoral book?

[Anonymous]

Yes

No

Prepare for Christian extremist rants

[DocT1977]

As to many of the verses in question, They are nothing more than a documentation of peoples actions. With the context to the verses, Again, Those were documented actions, and it does not seem to me that they were under the directions of God. And as to Homosexuality, Yes, God does condemn that. I know I am going to get flamed for saying that, and that's okay. However, I believe that male and female have been put here for a reason. They were put here to be together, But something has perverted that.

Let me ask those of you who are straight a question. When everyone stands in support of being gay or any other community that practices perversion, Then does that not reduce your options in the dating pool? And the STD rates are also higher in the gay community by comparison to any other. So with that, I cannot in good conscience support a dangerous lifestyle. Imagine if the power grid went out. No more treating HIV/Aids.

Sex is something that the bible says is reserved for marriage. So if people held that sacred and did not have any partners other than their significant others, The idea of STD's would be non existent. The idea of single mothers with no daddy's around would be non existent. The idea of infidelity would be non existent.

I know its convenient to blame the bible for everything, But if we got back to the morals and the principals it teaches, I think it would make life a bit more trouble free for anyone.

[Surfofthenomad]

"God created everything... like homosexuality, but he hates it"

Hurr durrrrr

[DocT1977]

He created homosexuality? Where did you get that quote from? We were all given the ability to choose. And with the system of choice being given to us, The logic of right and wrong also came with it. So with regard to homosexuality, It is a choice. God did not create thievery, But many people still choose to be thieves. God did not create liars and tell them to lie, Yet people still lie by choice.

The next time you choose to leave me a comment, Make reference to what was mentioned here with common sense.

[jacquesvol]

"Sex is something that the bible says is reserved for marriage." ? Really?

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[jacquesvol]

God did not create thievery? Did you read Numbers 31? https://biblehub.com/niv/numbers/31.htm

[jacquesvol]

@DocT1977
I see you like to insult.
You must feel very cool and superior now. congrats on being so courageous.

[DocT1977]

@jacquesvol Let me ask you something.. What do you use for a moral guideline? Is it government law which is written by corrupt leaders? Is it jumping the band wagon to support whatever is popular no matter how dangerous it is?

If you don't believe in God, Then why does it bother you when people talk about him?

[jacquesvol]

I don't need 2300 yr old legends in a 1500 yr. old book and a priest to explain them as moral guideline. People who really *need* them lack empathy. People without empathy are scary, to say the least.
Empathy, sound reasoning and the Laws of my country are enough.

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There are too many horrors in religious books and history.

[DocT1977]

@jacquesvol I asked you what you used as a moral guideline. Not whether or not you needed one from some 5,000 year old book.

[DocT1977]

And those horrors of the bible, They happened because of peoples actions. And you don't get to decide what I teach my kids.

[DocT1977]

@jacquesvol I see how you play. If someone calls you out on something, You report their posts. How lame.. That's really taking it like a man.

[jacquesvol]

@DocT1977

*-The Bible says there is a 'god'.
*-The Bible says this god condemns homosexuality.

That's all, *nothing* more.

[jacquesvol]

PS I report *only* insults.

[Asker]

Its true I have insulted him and his limp wristed terrorist loving opinions many times.

[DocT1977]

My "terrorist" loving opinions? I would like to see that. Let's see a quote from when I gave a terrorist loving opinion. Wow.. So when someone begs to differ, Not only do you report their comments, As was done to mine, You also feel the need to lie about me.. LMAO...

[DocT1977]

Now for the question asker, If the "limp wristed terrorist loving comment was not directed at me, Then I will apologize if I got that wrong. But if not, Then I am going to ask you to stand behind your statement.

[Asker]

No directed at you lol

[DocT1977]

Okay. Fair enough. lol. I like to leave that margin for error should I be wrong. lol

[jacquesvol]

Why would one think such a horrible thing?

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[jacquesvol]

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[jacquesvol]

Total number killed by God in the Bible
- Using biblical numbers only: 2,821,364
- With estimates: 25 million
- See more at: dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.be/.../...-bible.html

Nothing immoral, of course. :-o

[Natportmanlookalike]

Well those middle eastern types were always blood thirsty. You look at them today.

[Natportmanlookalike]

Good point my man just look at iraq, syria and Palestine.

[Asker]

Those middle easterns are defo messed up alright.

[Anonymous]

A lot of the Old Testament (where all of your quotes are taken from) is very twisted and bizarre - but much of it is written in narrative basically describing different things that happened as interpreted by the authors.

The same goes for letters from Paul that are tacked onto the Gospel. They're one guy's opinions, basically.

Christ's teaching are actually a very small portion of the Bible and could be used as a sound framework for anyone to live an upright and purposeful life.

[TsubasaCorrupted]

If you only follow the teachings of Christ but disregard gods old testament teachings or even the Bible itself, inspired by God, then what exactly are you?

[Opinion Owner]

Christ inspired, possibly?

[RansomDraven]

My solution to your Biblical problems... set the Bible back on the shelf... and walk away. Crisis averted! The beauty of freedom, you get to choose what you believe and we all get to choose what we believe and the world still goes round with all of the beautiful different people on it. This same rant is... old... as Methusela 😛

[Surfofthenomad]

Or maybe just accept that it's a bad set of ideas to further progress humanity.

[RansomDraven]

@Surfofthenomad or maybe... you could worry about what you believe and stop forcing your beliefs on me. "Just accept that yadda yadda"... there's a genius concept. You worry about what you believe and I'll worry about my beliefs. I don't understand why everyone who doesn't believe in the Bible or God is so threatened by the very thing they don't believe or think exist? I'm not worried about a Yeti... why? Becausr I don't believe they exist. Locness? No worries, I don't believe she's real. But if you do, more power to you! I don't mind at all because those are YOUR beliefs.. not mine. Take care sir = )

[Surfofthenomad]

Oh, uhhhh, what's the key difference here? Ah, that's right... evangelicals in this country want to ban abortion, teach creationism in schools, ban stem cell research, and further move toward a Christian theocracy, so it's quite different from the myths of the Yeti and Lochness, isn't it?

Here many atheists complaining about the Jews?

[Surfofthenomad]

How*

[RansomDraven]

@Surfofthenomad abortion is murdering an innocent child. The Bible should have nothing to do with how sick someone would have to be to support the murder of a child. As for Creationism being taught in schools... so what? What are you afraid of? My daughter is 9 and right now we are learning about evolution. Why? We don't believe in evolution, but because other people do. Why would I hinder her to only our beliefs? We plan on learning about many religions, and cultures, and so on. It's a big world out there, explore it with an open mind please.

[Surfofthenomad]

Yawn*, it's a cluster of cells. Maybe if you studied a little biology you would know that.

Why don't we start having Islamic faith incorporated into our education system, so what? Be a little open minded? I'm sure bible thumping right wingers wouldn't mind? Have you ever even looked at the evidence for evolution? Far more convincing than a story with a talking snake and a bunch of other things that defy reason and logic. This is exactly what's wrong with religion, it teaches you utter nonsense is equally practical to studies that have undergone rigorous research, testing, and peer review from a large, large community of individuals.

[RansomDraven]

@Surfofthenomad it's the equivalent of say... a ford car parts factory exploding and BAM! You've got a brand new flashy mustang sitting right there! So yes... you're right... your theory is definitely more believable lol. Anyway I'm not going to argue my beliefs with you, they're mine, as yours belong to you. Take care, stand by your beliefs whatever they are, but do so with an open mind to other beliefs if I could make a suggestion. Good day!

[Surfofthenomad]

Yes, you've clearly never done any research on the Big Bang or evolution, so enjoy your ignorance.

[jacquesvol]

Do men have to listen to you?

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[RansomDraven]

@Surfofthenomad I could say the same for you sir, but unlike you... it doesn't matter to me if you believe the same as me. If you address everyone so aggressively in the future no one is going to listen to you. No one wants someone screaming at them about their beliefs being wrong. Which is something I try to avoid. Who am I to scream at someone else or accuse them of being ignorant because they don't believe the same is me or because I think that what they believe is stupid? Let's say your right... my beliefs are wrong... and whatever you believe is correct... does it make you feel better at the end of the day to call me ignorant and that you were right? That speaks volumes about you and the kind of person that you are. So I'll stick to my beliefs and you stick to yours. But another suggestion... whatever you believe speak it with love instead of anger... get more bees with honey.

[RansomDraven]

@jacquesvol I know we have different views. You always make a point of seeking my post out lol, and that's fine. Thank you for doing it respectfully, maybe not respectful of my beliefs because some of your pictures are a little rough, but respectful of me as a person. No name calling or anything else, so thank you. = )

[DocT1977]

@Surfofthenomad The Big Bang theory? Let me explain that it is called a theory for a reason. In other words, Something that has not been proven. Do you seriously believe that we have the ecosystem we have just "bang" appeared from nowhere? Every living being needs water, We have that. Trees need carbon dioxide to live, We give that off. Bees pollinate the trees so that we can eat the fruit. There are predatory species in every plant, insect, and every mammal species to keep populations in check. When things die, They biodegrade to give new life. Do you still maintain the notion that a "bang" could determine what role everything is to play within the ecosystem? Sorry. I believe there was a supreme being at the wheel when it came to putting it all together. And no, We did not come from monkeys because humans and monkeys are still a separate species.

[Surfofthenomad]

@DocT1977 Oh my god, you are such an idiot... it's unbelievable.

So since everything has something to create it, what about God? What created it? Oh, that's right, god just so happens to escape all reason and logic and is magical above everything. Google "infinite regression"

Here's some food for thought

science.nasa.gov/.../

[Surfofthenomad]

@DocT1977 And just so you know, a "scientific theory" is different from a colloquial one.

Scientific theories involve rigorous research, peer review, and testing from many, many different individuals before it can even be accepted as a "theory", gravity is a scientific theory, are you going to deny that as well?

[DocT1977]

@Surfofthenomad But the fact that they are still known as "theories" proves that what we are looking at is still an educated guess at best.

[Surfofthenomad]

@DocT1977 Yes, let's take fairy tales out of a book that's thousands of years old instead. While we're at it, let's look at dianetics and take that as an equally valid prediction for how the world really is.

[DocT1977]

@Surfofthenomad I'll tell you what. How is this. You can maintain your fairy tales about how everything magically appeared out of the blue and I will stick to my beliefs about what you call a fairy tale God.

[Surfofthenomad]

@DocT1977 See, you're still not getting it, there is actual observations that support evolution and the big bang, can't say the same for religion. But you bible thumpers still want to maintain that they're equally valid theories, they're not.

[jacquesvol]

@Surfofthenomad
Jesus (if he existed) was a Jewish Palestinian.

[nativepride73]

@Surfofthenomad Yeah... not really. The Big Band is NOT a theory. Its an hypothesis. Evolution IS a theory but its only the description of how things come to pass and is not the explanation of how life begins and how it is programmed to evolve. Not to mention the fact that the big bang itself defies all the laws of physics and the fact that the whole universe in its own creation broke the laws of physics. Science can't and won't be able to answer every question.
(BTW I actually DO believe in the "Big Bang" and "evolution" but I believe in a Progressive Theistic belief that without God the whole universe in itself defies logic.

[jacquesvol]

@Surfofthenomad
I don't pick your answers out, they jump into my 1.5 eyes. :)

[kellogg022458]

I agree with you and you should just ignore them because they're just trying to make you react. You believe what you believe and vice versa. Do I agree with them, no I don't, but I'm not attacking them and shoving my beliefs down their throat like they're doing to everyone else on here.

[RansomDraven]

@kellogg022458 I'm sorry if you took it as me "shoving my beliefs down their throat". That in no way was the message I intended to send. Thanks for your thoughts though, definitely lets me know to be a little more careful next time with how things are worded. I very much try to avoid doing that because I don't agree with it, so thank you for pointing out that you felt that's what I was doing. =)

[RansomDraven]

@kellogg022458 just woke up, reading comprehension is not at 100% yet lol. Forgive me, just saw that you said "like they are doing". Disregard my earlier reply lol. And thank you still for the comment! As I said, I definitely try not to force things onto people, so thanks for the support = )

[kellogg022458]

No I didn't mean you at all, I meant them and how their disregarding everyone's morals.

[RansomDraven]

@kellogg022458 I saw that lol, so sorry! I had just wome up and wasn't at 100% yet. Sorry for the misunderstanding, and thank you so much for your kind words and support! = )

[takumii]

Nice implementation of the ostrich algorithm.

Dig your head in the sand , if you ignore the problem, maybe the problem will ignore you.

[RansomDraven]

@takumii ditto👍

[takumii]

But the fact is that the solution you presented is no good in itself. The problem still persists !

[kellogg022458]

I'm not really going to say my opinion because you're just trolling, and whatever I'm going to say to stand up for my faith is going to get baffled by anyone who doesn't really care and respect anyone else's faith and religion. I'm not trying to start a fight I'm just stating my observations.

[madhatters4]

immoral? morals are subjective so it really depends on a person's perspective. based on the examples you provided i'd say it's more explicit than immoral in teh sense that it just discusses topics that are otherwise rather sensitive to discuss

however if you were to reference it saying something like homosexuality is an abomination or how in excerpts it condones slave owning and the beating of slaves i would say it is definitely immoral

[genericname85]

the bible is intended to educate people a hundred years ago about social behavior.

some of the morals and ethics are still true by todays standards but are mostly trivial, cause we have evolved beyond this basic stuff. other passages show a clearly outdated view on the world and should not be taken literally by todays standards.

[DocT1977]

When we fight for the wrong things and fight against all the right things, I would say we are devolving. History does keep repeating itself, So no, As a whole, We have not learned our lessons. When we reject our knowledge of actions and consequence for the freedom of a free for all mentality, Bad things happen. And when these consequences of living a lifestyle with no moral direction begin to surface, We have to own it. We only did it to ourselves..

[jacquesvol]

to educate people a hundred years ago about social behavior:

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[genericname85]

@DocT1977 yes we need moral standards, no question. but the bible only has the basics plus a lot of stuff that is bullshit by todays standards like @jacquesvol illustrated in his comment.

@jacquesvol yes that´s the outdated stuff, i was refering to. this is why the bible isn´t all good... but there is stuff in there that´s still true today.

[Niello]

And people are worried about the Quran? I've read the whole bible it's pro violence, wiping out Millions of people in floods, destroying whole cities, murder.

I'm even more disgusted after reading all this on this question.

[jacquesvol]

Don't worry, this question will be taken off the site.

[Asker]

The Quran is an extension of the bible to be fair

[Niello]

It's a spin off no doubt.

[jacquesvol]

Just read Sura 19 quod.lib.umich.edu/.../koran-idx : it repeats the birth of Jesus (Isa) though immaculate conception.

[G-Daz]

This whole question is pretty baseless.

So you believe in an Objective Moral Law? If not you've pretty much made a strawman for yourself that makes your whole question senseless

[Anonymous]

if you are immoral you see it as immoral. if you have love you see the love and mercy of God diachronically unraveling throughout time. these stories that the atheists cherrypick only show how low humanity can fall without the grace of God and depict eras when these things were actually daily routine... .

[Surfofthenomad]

If it's in the Bible, and the word of God, you have to accept it, you can't just go "Uh duhhh, Atheists are just cherry picking to make it look bad!"

[Natportmanlookalike]

You can't call it cherry picking if its on every page lol

[Opinion Owner]

@Natportmanlookalike it is cherry picking. the atheist approach is not theological, not hollistic, its selective thus cherry picking, and contains more projections and personal interpretations than theological analysis. also its completely cut off from the era's historical context and the fact that it was adressed to societies which have these kind of cruelty as the norm. the only reason you have that civilized society today is because of the coming, teaching and sacrifice of Christ. no other reason. even modern waves of thought like marxism and feminism merely stole ideas from the teachings of Christ. Christ said 2000 years ago that there is no man and woman, freeman and slave and all are equal. well it took society 1950 years to let women vote for example. this ad form of resistance and retardation is only on the human society to blame, not God. the respect for chidlren, equality, isonomy, respect of the human life, all these happened because of the christian teachings. the very c

[Opinion Owner]

@Natportmanlookalike the very concept of hospitals was created by ancient christians, and the most modern hospitals of the previous two centuries were also of christian origin. in antiquity children were considered a commodity, they were sold, raped, killed, and all like nothing happened. people used to even burry them in the foundations of their houses for good luck. the only reason childrens' lives gained valued and were given equal rights and treatment, and we went from that animosity to the childcare of today, the only reason child forced labour was banned as inhuman etc, is because christians mentioned the value of the human being and that it is a psychosomatic being since the moment of its conception. its not a piece of meat that magically gains value in adulthood. all these happened only because Christ came on the earth.

[jacquesvol]

cherry picking? "2 Timothy 3:16-17 ESV
All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work. "

"All scripture, ", NOT "the nice verses only."

[Noxifer626]

What can I say. Religious people, right?
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[Asker]

I liked him in blackadder!

[Anonymous]

A repeating crystal ball of what's to come
taught through history lessons

A preacher will explain this, if you don't understand...

[DocT1977]

I can see sadly that most don't want to understand as the moral guidelines that it calls for. Why? Because it would impede the freedom of those who have a "free for all" mentality. So when the consequences finally catch up to them, What is the first thing they do? They blame God. Yeah, They blame him regardless of the fact that many choose to write off its teachings. The book has these things called sin for a reason. Why are things called sin? Because they lead to negative consequences. It's really not that hard. But if you live by it like I do, People still see you as a closed minded, religious bigot.

[bryon]

The bible being judged by an immoral society , wow how refreshing

[Anonymous]

The bible is a farce, I don't get why we still have to take it seriously like it actually has some legitimate truth to it. I don't get why so many women defend it when it says to treat them like dogs.

[takumii]

I follow Bible, and would absolutely do any of these things written in the Bible, if need be.

[Natportmanlookalike]

At least your honest lol

[jacquesvol]

I sincerely hope this is sarcasm.

[Aeliuz]

@jacquesvol of course it's sarcasm... Most of the points in this question are things that has not been followed in at least 500 years. One would have to be REALLY old fashioned or just plain stupid to apply what the quoted verses say.

[DocT1977]

@Aeliuz Or maybe because we chose to abandon those morals and keep repeating history as a result.

[Aeliuz]

@DocT1977 What morals did we abandon, and what parts of history has repeated because of it?

[takumii]

@Aeliuz "Most of the points in this question are things that has not been followed in at least 500 years. One would have to be REALLY old fashioned or just plain stupid to apply what the quoted verses say."

Maybe that's what , 500 years from now, people would say, about Christians and their 21st century traditions.

[Aeliuz]

@takumii Maybe they will, but the standards are set by the society we live in. It would not surprise me if 500 years from now, people would think of our society as barbaric because some men were still being circumcised. And that's not even a christian thing.

[jacquesvol]

@Aeliuz
It isn't that long ago that gays were imprisoned or executed.

[jacquesvol]

@Aelius
Read this:
www.theguardian.com/.../california-lawyer-shoot-the-gays-proposal-2016-ballot

[jacquesvol]

@Aelius
Read this. It was 1835:
https://rictornorton.co.uk/eighteen/1835last.htm

[Aeliuz]

@jacquesvol Barbaric indeed.

[takumii]

@jacquesvol @Aeliuz Stop them notifications !!

[jacquesvol]

Takumii
On a phone or tablet notifications make it easier to find the comment among all those "Opinion Ownes Age: 91"

[AzureGirl]

It's a religious book some people believe in and some don't. That's really it.

[Zombie-Killa]

No, its the exact opposite actually. it condems all those things.

[Asker]

Where?

[Zombie-Killa]

In the ten commandments mostly and various other places, Moses actually freeing slaves was a hugh condemnation of slavery.
Any "proof" people find supporting these things in the Bible are actually very bad and opportunistic/biased interpetations by assholes.

[kellogg022458]

Yeah and the majority of these things happened in the old testament.

[TsubasaCorrupted]

Read Exodus 21 and tell me how owning human beings is somehow moral or at least good.

[Homey14]

Absolutely not. The Bible is all about morality. Proper context and appropriate understanding will help you to see that.

[TsubasaCorrupted]

Read Exodus 21
Tell me that it's moral to own human beings. Please justify that for me.

[Deep_Mind]

I’m actually curious as well on how that can be morally correct

[Anonymous]

Religion needs to be outlawed.

[DocT1977]

How about we just outlaw your beliefs because I don't agree with it? Sounds pretty bigoted for me to say that doesn't it? SO when you say it, What makes it any different?

[Opinion Owner]

@DocT1977

Religion has a long, established history of oppression and violence. It also does not have any evidence supporting its claims and beliefs.

Non-religious claims can be proven or disproved. Those that are disproved are abandoned; those with evidence, adopted.

So if you want to ban rational thinking in favor of religion (something that is irrational and violent), feel free to do so -- provided you are willing to live in an unjust, violent society where you may be the subject of oppression.

[DocT1977]

And what do you think will happen when all morals and the things taught by the bible are thrown out the window? Again, The bible shows actions and consequence. When people make the wrong choices, Bad things happen. That has happened throughout all of history.

So tell me what is wrong with the ten commandments? Lets say we do away with those things because they are religious. Let's get rid of all moral compasses because they are too restrictive. So then what do you have? Everyone out for themselves, Everyone screwing everyone else over just to get ahead. Kind of like what we are starting to see happen now.

So if you don't believe in a biblical moral guideline, Then what do you use for a moral guideline? If atheism does not teach it, Then what do you use?

[takumii]

@DocT1977
Bible or no Bible, God or no God, Religion or no Religion.. If it suits their purpose, people are gonna commit crimes.
There are almost equal number of religious and irreligious nutjobs everywhere.
We have the law enforcement to correct the things we feel are wrong, and I think that's enough.
Religion in this scenario doesn't even matter.
I think that's what the anonymous is trying to say.

[DocT1977]

@takumii I will agree with you on the part of nutjobs being in every form of religion or other belief. However, My replies are based on religion because that's what the subject pertained to.

[Anonymous]

What is your personal basis for morality?

[Christies1998]

its way too much

[evenlift]

Yes, very.

[Anonymous]

Only from a feminist perspective

[Anonymous]

Shocking ! :o

[ShayanMortazavi1]

Coming back to this

[TsubasaCorrupted]

Read Exodus 21