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Privilege as sjw's opine isn't really a thing, a lot of the sjw's who go on about this don't appreciate that they have access to things like education, medical needs, public services etc... This happens regardless skin colour or gender.
By that measure most of the world is privileged... I doubt many sub-saharan Africans think the stock market bubble is a major problem because tbh it doesn't really affect them. However this doesn't make them privileged
i disagree, privileges is not about problems. a privilege is just a special right granted to you because of a certain reason.
in my opinion everybody should try and get as many privileges as they possibly can.
I agree with this. It makes sense that if a supposedly problem doesn't directly affect said person, it is harder to fully empathize with the issue.
I strongly disagree. If this were the case, MRAs and Feminists would acknowledge that the other have problems that they don't.
I think this is a big part of privilege but I think it goes so much deeper and broader too
That's one hell of a great definition. Thumbs up to this guy!
Talk to me about privilege, and whatever empathy or compassion I might have had for your problem goes right the fuck out the bloody window.
Why?
@HungLikeAHorsefly : It's a bullshit term used by the Left in an attempt to discredit anything a white man might have to say.
So white men don't have any inherent privilege? It's all made up?
So you're saying if I'm privileged, I'm incapable of comprehending the struggles of those who aren't?
Disagree.
Uh, no, that's not what it says at all.
but that sign says that..
or rather means that
for example a privileged person can be against child marriages that happen in poor countries.
so by "thinking" that child marriages are a problem, according to that statement, doesn't it make that privileged person unprivileged?
by the way that person's privilege being that they are not forced into child marriage.
That sign says that since you don't have to deal with a struggle then you don't think it's a problem because you aren't dealing with it. People know food shortage is a problem but not many do anything about it because it doesn't impact them.
You're capable or recognizing a problem but since it's not a problem for you personally then you do nothing about it.
I agree, but I may not label that definition as "privilege" per say.
yes I agree. any moron can see that there are such people who are born with an advantage in life.
That's fucking stupid, you are what you choose to be.
@Emiko I didn't choose to be born in a lower middle class family with a skin color that gets me stares when I browse through a privately white owned store. I didn't choose to not be born a multi-billionaire, or to have a skin color that makes white people say things to me like "I don't like you guys but you're different. You're not like the rest of them." Get out of here. I'm 17, I can't "choose" to be treated any kind of way when people make assumptions about me because of my appearance ALONE. I dress well, don't sag, and even speak your "proper" English around you.
My father is a drunk and beat my, I'm half white, half Native American, my sister left when I was 8 and my brother killed himself when I was 14 and I got raped that same year. I left my house at 17, worked 3 jobs and finished high school. Now I am going to college because I made my own path. I didn't blame others for my misfortune I made my life better. And you think your the only one that gets looks for the color of your skin?
I got attacked by 2 black and a Mexican my freshman year, because they saw me as white. In my school whites were persecuted, in the summer they're ask me what I was mixed with talkin Spanish to me saying I wasn't proud of my heritage!!! I'm fucking Lakota and I'm white and I'm proud of both of those things!
I'm so tired of hearing that white people are privileged. The most persecuted person on this earth is a MAN and even more persecuted is the White man, he didn't do nothin to you! Or me. Not one of my people that are alive today can say they have been slaved and not can yours! And you know people of color are not the only to have been enslaved, the white man has too
I'm tired of the people who play victim
"I'm tired of the people who play victim."
>Shares entire life's sob story to use it as leverage for her argument.
Hahaha, alright!
It is a fact that black people will be denied certain things because of their skin color. A FACT. Racist people don't care if you're half Native American because you look white only. That's all that matters to them.
If I had your same life story as you, depending on the people in charge, I could have been denied all THREE jobs, and denied admission to your college because I'm not white.
You did the same fucking thing as well. and I don't use it as a fucking excuse. My point was that I was anything but privileged. And I hate people like you. I've worked hard to get where I am. And do you know what I had to do to get the jobs? Do you know how many nights I spent trying to find a job, no. Because people like you give up. Quitters never win, and winners never quit, and I choose to be a winner.
And believe me white people are not the only color of people who have racist in it. Everyone has been discriminated at one point or another.
@El_Buhdai lmao for real. She says she hates people who play the victim. And then proceed to write a full life story of drama. Hypocrisy at its finest!
@Emiko yeah the white man has been inslaved also but by who? The white man themselves so your point being?
@omgjassy and who do you think originally enslaved black people and continues to in parts of the world today... Hint-it wasn't white, Hispanic or Asian people
@rag13 hint it was the white arabs living in Africa so? Your point being
And do you want Emiko to just lie and say she's had a perfect privileged life so it fits your bs claim? She isn't whining or making excuses she's proud of what she overcame... Pretty sad I have to explain this to you guys
@rag13 never said she's whining all I'm saying is why is she saying "hate peope who play the victim" then proceeds to say a full life drama story. Like huh? I'm lost. I thought she hated those people. Practice what you preach. Reap what you sow. Should I go on? And nobody asked her for her life story
@rag13 and what you mean with you guys? You only tagged me.
@omgjassy you need a history lesson my friend... It was blacks who enslaved and sold members of other groups. Africa has always had the highest amount of slaves and they are owned mostly by other black Africans
@rag13 lmao you need a history lesson. It was the white arabs living in Africa. From Morocco, Tunesia and so one.
You can look it up for yourself if you want I can't fix your type of ignorance😎
@rag13 you fix your ignorance lmao. And are you seriously now debating who was worse? The people who were just living their live in Africa when the white men came with guns and other weapons. Screaming at you and killing you. Lmao you're really the lowest of the lowest. Victims blaming
@rag13 @Emiko and I'm pretty sure you both are the same person. I'm reporting both of you.
@omgjassy "I didn't choose to be born in a lower middle class family [...]I didn't choose to not be born a multi-billionaire, or to have a skin color that makes white people say things[...]people make assumptions about me because of my appearance ALONE."- this is what he said to me and my "life story" was a response to that crap.
Also a fun fact for you, the first person to on slaves in America was a black man and he owned white men.
Let's see ancient Egyptians had slaves of all colors, other African countries have done the same to their own color and other of different race
@omgjassy not blaming any victims just correcting your false statement and bs argument. Obviously you can't handle when people disagree with you so your throwing a little hissy fit. Great maturity and thanks for the laughs😝✌🏼️
@rag13 lmao why are you still responding?
@Emiko I thought we were talking about your miserable life? Huh I'm so confused now. I thought you were the victim🤔 Now you're taking about Egyptian people
@rag13 you're trying so hard to hide what the white man did. Why? Pretty sad if you ask me.
Are you the same person going an intervention from an alcoholic and scream my sister is drug addicted. Like huh your logic is 1+1= -1
@Emiko You say "People like you", but you don't know a thing about me, all I mentioned is things that all black people will experience. Also, the reason I'm not a hypocrite for calling out your sob story is the fact that I didn't criticize people who use their story right before my statement.
To be honest, I couldn't care less what you overcame and how you got where you are now, because it has nothing to do with racial discrimination. NOTHING. You were attacked by some individuals and had struggles not related to your race? Doesn't compare to what I'm talking about at all, which is that there is an entire SYSTEM working against people who look like me. You are denying that racial prejudice toward black people even exists, and that it doesn't favor white people. This makes you blind. Period.
@El_Buhdai amen
Where do you think racial prejudice and white advantage ended, huh? Do you think it ended when ALL of the "Black Wall Street's" (powerful economic hubs built by and for black people) were bombed, burned, and looted by white people? No? It's too far away from today, you say? Do you think it ended when police bombed a black Boston neighborhood in 1985 (the "MOVE" bombing)? Never heard of that? Of course you haven't. :) Do you think it ended when gangs, which were originally created to defend ourselves against white terror from the police, were turned against one-another when and guns where planted in the black community by the government (not a conspiracy, there have been interviews with former gang members who were operating around that time).
So tell me, you egotistical self-righteous hypocritical dumpling. TELL ME WHEN BLACK PEOPLE EVER HAD EQUAL OPPORTUNITIES IN THIS COUNTRY AS WHITE PEOPLE ACROSS THE BOARD. TELL ME HOW YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO "CHOOSE TO SUCCEED" WHEN YOU ARE BEING SABOTAGED AT EVERY TURN. IF YOU CAN'T DO THAT, THEN STOP TALKING BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T DONE A LICK OF RESEARCH. Just a news flash: Your individual experience doesn't reflect that of all people, sweetheart. ;)
I didn't mean to get worked up. I'll just let you think that racism and prejudice is dead. I could give you every example I've ever found from today all the way back to the 1800's, but you won't care. You can't see too far past your own reality and into the reality of people who look like me. Have a nice life. :)
Again I was using my experience in life to show that I know what it is like to struggle.
My mistake too, I have heard of that attack but I thought it was in 1983. I also know that it was individuals of that particular police force and even those who weren't police. I think they should be tied to the end of a truck by their toes and dragged to death for that crime.
@El_Budai I'm not saying blacks aren't discriminated against, I'm saying that all races have and will continue to face discrimination and hardships.
That's why never in my life do I ever blame or wish I was born into this world in any other way than I was. Because that's something I can't change
The only thing I or anyone else can do is change themselves and how we react to the reality surrounding us.
That's why I get mad when people of all size shape and color victimize themselves.
I have never been a victim... because to me, allowing myself to think that way is unacceptable. Because allow my self to say I'm a victim of anything would only mean that I have failed myself. And I refuse.
if you are born into a upper class white family pretty much all you have to do is not fuck up and you will have a decent life. if you are born poor or even worse a poor minority every bit of success you may have in life is an uphill struggle. so if you are born upper-middle-class and white there are a lot of doors that you only have to knock on you don't have to kick them down or find another way in.
@CyphorX I was not born into an upper middle class family. There were days when I was young that my mother didn't eat, because there wasn't enough food for us three children and her...
Again like I've said I am no victim and neither is my mother. I am half white half Lakota. My mother full blooded Lakota was denied several jobs, I know the look of defeat well.
I am saying this not to be a hypocrite as mentioned. Wrote but to relate. To show you all that I know what it's like to struggle in this world and that I am no stranger to it.
@CyphorX I have worked so far for everything that I have, so it angers me when other people who have struggled tell me that I don't know what it's like, or that I'm privileged because I have a lighter skin.
My point o was trying to convey is that excuses get you no where in life, that it's not about what you have its about what you make of what you've got.
not excusing anything. just stating that things are easier for certain people. I'm not saying you didn't work hard for anything you have but I'm going to imagine that there are people out there who work just as hard as you do if not harder who have not gotten as far do the certain disadvantages.
. and also being that you weren't born middle class you only got part of the privilege. and yes I do understand privileged because I've had it also even though I'm a minority my parents did well for themselves and they gave me advantages my race did not so I only got part of those advantages.
Well no. That would mean you'd have no privilege as long as you cared about others problems.
That sounds more like a definition for having no empathy.
Nope. Sadly, today "privileged" is really just a term used by people who don't want to make excuses or not work as hard as everyone else but expect to get the same outcomes as everyone else.
who *want to make excuses
People would rather complain than get themselves out of a situation
I also bet the guy holding that sign is just trying to fit in
"If you don't see the problem, you're apart of the problem!" Is never a real argument.
Except that ignorance IS a part of the problem, specifically if you refuse to educate yourself because you refuse to believe there is a problem. Refusing to leave your little privileged bubble makes you a part of the problem because you are doing nothing about it.
@lumos good. then you're part of a different problem. So the whole "privilegie" cancels out and we're all equal.
Let's be real, we all know the question was in the context of race and gender.
@dartmaul15 and what problem would that be?
@lumos see, you're part of the problem!
okay, you got played there i'll admit that. And it was to prove front's point.
As for the whole gender debate, my point is simple. Women are still to some extent disadvantaged in work matters, and men are still disadvantaged in familiar and emotional matters. So to believe you achieve gender equality by enabling women to compete in the workforce on the same level as men, is not to achieve equality. You're only halfway there. And to be quite fucking honest, we can and should work on both sides of the coin on the same time, or else you get an imbalance that will enrage the other side.
makes sense?
@dartmaul15 I got played because you weren't making any sense? I wanted to figure out what kind of argument you were trying to use since you came out of nowhere. You didn't really prove anything. Aaand I'm still not quite sure what the rest of your comment has to do with what I posted.
@lumos I'll explain how you got played. The whole premise was that you were defending the argument of "If you don't see the problem, you're apart of the problem!" And then one message later you say "and what problem would that be?"
You get it now?
@Maik567 I'm pretty sure the premise is that you willfully stay ignorant, and refuse to see the problem. Not just being unaware of it in general. Which is why I asked "and what problem would that be?" because I was curious to see what he had to say about it. Maybe it's just because I'm used to having other users reply to me with incoherent nonsense, but I didn't get the point he was trying to make. I got it after he explained it to me the first time. Just didn't think it was a fitting argument to make considering that he came out of nowhere and gave zero context. Which is entirely different from purposefully turning a blind eye to issues you don't personally have to deal with.
@lumos No one said anything about being "willfully ignorant", at least to me it's pretty obvious that front2back was talking about when people use the sentence "If you don't see the problem, you're apart of the problem!" as a way to completely ignore or demonize people who disagree with you.
Surely you have to see why you asking "and what problem would that be?" was funny after in this context.
@Maik567 I think it's implied that "If you don't see the problem, you're apart of the problem!" applies to people being willfully ignorant. I don't think "see" is used literally, as in you not *seeing* the problem, therefore not realizing it's there. It's more like saying "If you don't recognize that the problem exists despite evidence pointing to it, you're apart of the problem".
I don't see it as ignoring or demonizing a person for disagreeing with you. If you see it as an attack, then maybe you should ask yourself why you feel that way.
Funny? I don't know I just thought him jumping in was weird.
@lumos Why do you think that's implied? I guess it depends on your experiences but from my experiences it absolutely isn't, I've heard people throwing that sentence around and when they've been asked to explain "the problem" they haven't been able to and have just attacked me for being "ignorant" or "racist". I think the difference here is that when you hear that sentence you automatically assume that the problem actually exists, but there are people using sentences like that to try to legitimize their non-problems.
@Maik567 because I don't think it's a phrase that should be taken literally. If people use it wrongly, then obviously it's bad.
But in terms of racism and sexism, hell yeah you're a part of the problem if you turn a blind eye to it. The only way to get rid of such social structures is to speak up.
@lumos Well when some people are using it literally, it's pretty hard to not take it literally. But I get what you mean, we're arguing about two different things here.
MMMmm that seems pretty simplistic.
Because this would apply to literally everyone on the planet in some form.
Somewhat agree, I know what he means by that statement.
A privelege is something you EARN. It isn't a guaranteed right.
So you earn being born male, or white? What you're saying is exactly the opposite of privilege.
@goaded being male is not necessarily a privilege, at least not any more than a woman is.
As a woman, I don't have to worry about being forced into slavery if my country ever goes to war. I don't have to worry about child support or child custody. I could probably take advantage of a 13 year old boy and get away with it.
@Kirah So you have the privilege to be safely vote for wars. I have that privilege, too, because I'm relatively old.
I have the privilege to be seen as awesome if I look after my children alone, even if I only do what would be seen as a mediocre job if done by a woman. I'm the one who will be addressed if me and my wife walk into a car or computer sales room, she will be addressed when we're looking for a new kitchen. I will generally be listened to more carefully when I speak (except in the family, they don't listen at all). I won't be mistaken for my secretary on the phone.
They don't have to be huge differences individually, but they do mount up, and people should be aware of them.
@goaded I'm sorry, but fathers don't generally get as much recognition as you're implying. When people see a father with their kid, they're inclined to say "he's just babysitting".
I'm a woman, and guess what? People *do* listen to me. I think you're blowing this way out of proportion. Most of the women who say "people listen to my husband, but not to me", just aren't assertive enough. Not everything is a gendered issue.
None of the things you listed are actual "privileges", in my opinion. A privilege would be being favored in child custody battles. Or a teacher being able to take advantage of students. Actual privilege, not just social norms.
how is that it's a privilege if I don't have a certain problem? Western countries are getting dumber day by day. May god help you!!
and the amount of people who voted for "I strongly agree" is unbelievable. What is this World ( western) coming too. You know you people are becoming a laughing stock in the East.
If someone soesn't have my problems, that doesn't mean that he has privileges.