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Why men are hated for being mgtow while we can be feminists? (Page 2)
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Because people that are MGTOW are seen as losers who have no luck with women. Which is true, but in some cases not. They are right in what they say how Western countries treat women better than men are treated. MGTOW is caused by the changes that Feminism has done. Men's Rights Activists are also often ridiculed by left-wing leaning scum.
someone who has experienced they system and has decided to steer clear is a looser. who is the bigger looser the man who gambles at a rigged table or the man who realizes this and refuses to play. who has more money at the end? www.redonkulas.com
because we live in a world where many, many societal double standards favor women... men are getting the short end of the stick on a lot of things in society
Feminists are hated as much as mgtow in my opinion.
But feminists, at least the original ones, fought for rights for women. I never hear of mgtow people making any actual moves to advance justice.
Not necessarily, The original ones all left and disassociate themselves with the current feminist movement.
@Salohcin22 that's due to the current wave of feminism being more about equal rights without equal responsibility. Women being able to cherry pick things that suit them at that particular point. Whereas the original waves fought against oppression and inequality, feminists these days use that crap to leverage themselves into positions of power over men.
The MRA want to change things.
MGTOW believe that the MRA are engaged in a futile exercise, so MGTOW have walked away.
In the view of a MGTOW, Feminism has made women so dysfunctional, toxic and legally dangerous that interaction with women carries much more risk than potential benefit.
Rather than seeking actively to harm women, as the Feminists seek actively to harm men, MGTOW have simply walked away.
"Some men just want to watch the world burn." - Alfred Pennyworth, The Dark Knight Rises
Nope. Everything we attribute to feminism is not actually from feminism. They claim that women couldn't work but in reality they did and always had, they claimed women couldn't vote and this is sexism but ignore the fact that men also couldn't vote. Feminism meanwhile has created bias sexist laws that are advantageous to women to the detriment of men. At no point can that be considered justice. Manipulative, wrong and untruthfull yes but not justice. Meanwhile what have MGTOWs done? They simply started boycotting a system they believe is unfair, they haven't hurt any one like feminist have, they haven't created laws that are unjust like feminist have they have not created organizations to slander women as feminist have done to men, they haven't created false statistics and false history to claim that they are victims and women are all evil like feminist have, they haven't advocated for women to be killed in the streets as feminist have. They just stopped participating.
MGTOW is about personal development, which is why it doesn't have anything to do with making any actual moves to advance justice. A MGTOW may or may not try to advance justice in other ways, but MGTOW itself is just a philosophy that has nothing to do with political activism.
... how have you not seen the huge amount of questions/opinions left by men completely bashing modern day 'feminists'?
lol I love how they always magically come out in flocks whenever I leave an opinion that just barely touches on the fact that men may sometimes be a tiny bit to blame for relationship/sex-related issues.
They bash feminist, thats different then bashing women unless your saying women are a monolith and that they are all one being? Also that has nothing to do with relationships. Further more women refusing to acknowledge there part in these issues is why these issues have gotten so extreme. I mean you did it in your comment, you just dismissed everything that men have complained about as if it didn't happen and it was all a lie. So your argument is more an example of whats wrong with feminism and women these days then it is of men.
@hellionthesagereborn I don't associate with any feminist movements and any time I just a tiny bit say things that are not in men's favour (like how rape protection devices may be helpful, sure. But that we should at the same time increase educating men about how rape is never justifiable and that women are in no way inferior to them by default), I tend to get swarmed by this pack of 3-4 somewhat frequent male posters on the site.
It's almost like they want to bitch and moan more than think about whether they're going off on a complete tangent with their 'protests', y'know? 😑
Well that's probably because you are saying things that are sexist, I mean claiming we need to educate men about rape even though less then 4% of the male population will actually ever commit rape is essentially saying all men are rapist or could be rapist. Your also ignoring how women are also rapist, in fact studies found that most male rapist where themselves raped, and that those who raped women where far more likely to be raped by women. So why are we not educating women about not raping? I mean Amy Schumer admitted that she raped a man, that he was blacked out drunk didn't know what was going on and did not give consent and raped him. She was applauded for her "bravery" since she was talking about the incident helping her get her self esteem back. Meanwhile if the genders where reversed we would be horrified. According to the CDC women rape men at almost the same rates. So why is it only men that need to be educated?
See what I mean? You say your not feminist but then say everything that feminist say (personally I don't see a problem with any kind of rape protection device) like how its all mens fault that rape happens and women are innocent little angels (which is ironic since again women are as about as likely to rape as men and according to studies done 93% of rapes commited in juvenile detention centers where commited by women not men). So your basically representing all men in one light but then showing women to be perfect and innocent and the only time they are involved in something bad is when they are the innocent victims when in reality women are just as capable of wrong doing as men are (technically more so because society does not punish women as they do men (hence women getting only a third of the sentencing that men get for the same crime (that's when they get punished at all) or the court ruling of hermsmann vs seyer which made a 12 year old boy pay child support to his rapist).
So when you see all of that how can you not at least understand why men would bash feminism? I mean all feminism does is bash men and create unfair biased laws that hurt men. Isn't that kind of understandable? I mean women freaked out at the thought that planned parenthood would lose public funding and considered that an attack on women yet paternity fraud is legal, women can abort a child without consulting the father, give a child up for adoption without the fathers consent etc. and this is just perfectly acceptable according to women and feminist? I mean again, isn't it kind of understandable why men would bash feminism?
cause their being fake ass bitches and they don't like being called out for disliking feminist.
@hellionthesagereborn she never said women were angels, i think you just proved that. you see hillary clinton? lena dunham etc, these women are looked down and disliked, obviously women aren't angels. "You say your not feminist but then say everything that feminist say " you just put all feminist in one box but you have a problem when others do it to men and mgtow's. i've watched plenty mgtow vids and they are depressing, hateful, call women bitches and whores. if they could, it sounds like their fanbase and the man himself would piss on a female if it became legal. i've literally read comments from mgtow groups talking about dumping women into trash cans (and then said their trash). said pumping and dumping women would be the right way to treat women. they also said women are shit and shouldn't even be living because we don't do anything. mgtows also said women are useless and only their vaginas have more value than the women themselves. they laugh like its funny.
@hellionthesagereborn there's black men of mgtow who have joined other non black mgtows saying some racist shit about black women. the black mgtows i was reading comments from were helping some white mgtow guys say some degrading racist shit about black females. its like they were teaming up to do harm to us. some of the white mgtow men were calling us ugly, saying they wouldn;t piss on us if we were on fire, how we're ugly, that they'd never date us (the black men in the comment section were cheering them on and laughing about it) and mentioned how they'd rather be tortured by their own through marriage because black women were low value. some black guys of mgtow then continued onto saying we are aggressive, loud, ghetto, hair hats and we were basically like men so why date us. i have never seen such hate on feminist websites and youtube.
@cross98 I never claimed that she did think women where perfect, I stated that is what feminist try to pass off and when she refuses to acknowledge that women are equally capable of wrong doing she is reinforcing this absurd idea. This is why men bash feminism because its wrong, everything it says is wrong and it creates laws that harm men and families. But feminist (and a lot of women) do not call out this behavior and do not call out other women for there behavior so this just makes men more and more angry and bitter about the unfairness because they are helpless to do anything about it because women don't acknowledge that there is a problem (as I pointed out). As for putting all feminist in a box, well yes. If you adhere to the ideas of feminism you by extension have to believe that men are oppressors. This is inherently sexist. If you are a feminist you push feminist narratives which are provably false so yes I do generalize them. Its not equivalent.
@cross98 Its like being upset generalizing that all Christians believe that Jesus was the son of god. Its what defines a Christian, its not a generalization. What I am upset about is when an entire group is generalized to be horrible people simply because of there gender which is different. In short the best analogue is the comparison of all whites are KKK members, this is what feminist and women basically say about men something to that extent, I am saying those who hold racist views are racist. There is a difference, one is attributing an ideology and behavior to an entire group of people, the other is simply stating what the ideology is. I am calling out an ideology not women, the opposite cannot be said of feminist and many women who have unfortunately been indoctrinated into feminist thinking. Yes some MGTOW can be hateful, but what of feminist? Valerie solanas wrote the SCUM manifesto which called for the castration and murder of men. She equated them to walking dildos.
@cross98 Andrea Dworkin stated that all sex is rape even if a woman consents. When the UVA rape case occurred, and it was proven to be a lie one feminist stated it was good that those boys who where falsely accused of rapeing a girl got punished and had there lives destroyed while many others where absolutely indifferent to the damage done to these boys/young mens repuations and life. Feminist created bias abuse laws that punish men even when they are the victims of domestic violence (which technically they are more likely to be then women are). Feminist actively fought against gender neutral rape laws ensuring that only men can be punished for rape and not women. NOW (the national organization for women) have actively and successfully campaigned against equal custody instead trying to ensure that only women get custody of children (it was on there front page of there website for a long time before they eventually where called out on it and took it down).
@hellionthesagereborn and many mgtow men, anti-feminist and mra's don't call out other men who make false claims about feminist women, making names like "cucks" and "white knights" okay against other men who have a different opinion but under the same breath have the audacity to make a "what about the men" speech. i've read many articles where feminist make videos and etc about how far some feminist can go.
@cross98 Feminist despise men and paint them as rapist and abusers even though technically as it pertains to rape women are almost as likely (and keep in mind that we do not acknowledge female on male rape so the numbers are probably higher) to rape as men and are actually more likely to abuse men then men are to abuse women. Yet only men are characterized in this way, if we look at media men are portrayed as bumbling idiots at best, especially when in the role of father (in fact there has been an observation that the only time a father can be a good father in a show/movie is when the wife is dead otherwise he is treated like a bumbling idiot who doesn't understand how to raise kids) and that's the best representation. Hell on fathers day we have commercials telling us to celebrate mothers, they can't even get one day out of the year without being ridiculed and marginalized. So whats the difference? The difference is MGTOW is a response to the hatred dished out by feminism.
@cross98 As for not witnessing feminist hate, that's not true and you know it. Feminst have advocated for reducing the male population down to 10% just enough to maintain the human species. One feminist stated how she was disgusted at the very thought that she might end up with a son, that it was horrible and she would have an abortion if her child turned out male. Another woman on a feminist site stated outright that even though she was a care giver she would look at the little boys and was filled with disgust she knew they would just grow up and become rapist and wife beaters. Every bit of hate MGTOWS have has been earned. Its been earned because women refuse to call out the behavior of other women, because feminist have created laws that hurt men over and over again and women have not called out feminist for this, feminist have demeaned and marginalized men and women said nothing. Every statistic shows men are suffering, a lot, and women are not yet feminist and women will only
@cross98 talk about there "suffering" the "oppression" they experience even as men are quite literally dying. No one talks about mens problems especially not women so men have gotten really angry and have blamed all women. Is it right? No, not all women agree with what is happening, but few have actually stood up and said something about it, most insult and demean any man who brings up the subject. Women will stick together no matter how much it may end up causing harm to others. This is why I say it has been earned, its not fair and its not just but it is not without reason. Women have enabled this and now a lot of men are fed up with getting screwed over, with being used mistreated having there lives destroyed there children taken from them etc. So them being angry is understandable but unlike feminist they have not called for the deaths of women so even in this they have shown better character.
@cross98 Then why don't women call out feminist? They don't call them out they say the extremes are bad but then turn around and endorse the people who endorse the extremes. You cannot be for equality if the premise of your belief structure is that men are evil and bad. Please show me these videos that way I can point out how screwed up they are, the fact is some one saying something is going to far but then endorsing the thing doesn't mean anything. If your ideology is that all men are evil oppressors, then by extension you are saying all men are evil oppressors. If you think something is wrong but then endorse the laws that destroy a persons life, then clearly you really didn't care about it to begin with. Literally everything feminist say is provably false. I have not heard a single truth from feminist and I argue with them near constantly.
@hellionthesagereborn hate earned my ass, would you want to hear a man pump and dump your daughter proudly? hear how men thinks she's trash cause she's a female. you're talking about "one feminist this and one feminist that, and article i read by feminist said this." but as i count, there's so many anti'femnist groups out hear, i wonder which one is really horrible.
@hellionthesagereborn and mgtow don't target "just the ideology" they go after single moms and accuse them of "riding the cock carousel", they accuse women and not just feminist of being spoiled and entitled and the women i've seen trying to hear them out have been treated unfairly by them and told they don't care about how she donates to men shelters etc.
they tell others trying to give them the benefit of the doubt to "fuck off" but the women who help the mgtow men bash other women are well adorned, women like southerman who preach and try to tell women to "act like women" in order for men to like us but bash her own gender at the same time... mgtows, mra's and anti-feminist love her though.
@hellionthesagereborn and you mentioned unjust laws and outcomes but which gender controls most of the senate, the congress, the legislature, judicial and executive branch? men! if men know other men woes, why don't they address them? make laws for them? why are mgtows sitting on computers making hate filled and condescending vids about women and call them truths but barely march but shame others for doing so, won;t build charity funds for homeless men? won't make rallies to help investigate illegal child prostitutions targeting little boys? you all sit and make forums for the already comfortable male in corporate america, not men who need immediate help. like i said before, encouraging men to have self love and confidence before looking into relationships is a great idea but what else? you bag on feminist caring for women but at least they succeeded in giving womens rights, shouting for them and marching for them. when i think mgtows i think: forum warriors and middle aged men.
@hellionthesagereborn i never say men are evil and i have a life, the bad feminist- people will notice and take note. i'm not about to dedicate my damn life on so society/identity politics. mgtows dont call out other mgtows. mra's dont call out extreme mra's they stand up for them and anti-feminist don't call out their radicals either.
@hellionthesagereborn what i think is funny is the male senators of arkansa, texas, etc complaining about women getting abortions but ignore veterans (mostly male) from getting the help they need for fighting for their own damn country. its funny how people worry about a womens body based on some bullshit "family values" but won't frown upon men committing obvious suicide to win a "battle" against other countries.
Men are not permitted to be weak.
Most third wave feminism is simply a new set of demands on the underlying paradigm that women are weak and men can change things for women.
It's a tactic to shame them because women feel like they are getting indirectly attacked when a man says that he doesn't want or need a woman. It damages the woman's ego and self-worth.
Lol where have you been? Feminists are hated on Youtube. I'm not a fan of MGTOW, but it's not a cancer just yet.
I don't see much hate speech by feminists on Gag.
I've seen a lot of hate speech by MGTOW on Gag
so what, feminism has the phrase "kill all men on twitter" if a man did that except say that about women he would be banned
@redonkulas12 Thus a troll on twitter determines your view on women?
the feminist that said kill all men is a fairly well known feminist, google the phrase
I hate both groups equally🤗
MGTOW guys are already shamed and isolated partly by choice mostly because they are weak and bitter male specimens who can't get a girl.
not true at all
@alphadoggystyle you can cover up your guts but when you cover up your nuts your admitting that there must be something wrong.
You obviously know nothing about mgtow and what its core philosophy is. Mgtow is not just about women, there are different topics discussed. Just one of the topic is issue of marriage, LTR and cohabitation with a woman.
@Mrwoo99 it all comes back to hating women and your favourite Japanese porn to beat off too with mgtow guys
Look if you're not going to have a serious conversation with me and just give ignorant mockery then I won't waste my time. An in what way is it hatred?
@Mrwoo99 women are all bitches etc
nope, because most men who are mgtow, including myself still sleep with women, we jsut avoid serious relationships and marriage. Most avoid becoming fathers as well but i will take measures to have a son when the time is right.
@alphadoggystyle that's not mgtow lol
@Iraqveteran666 You don't know anything about mgtow so stop acting like you do. There's 4 different levels of mgtow, not all have the same consequences which up to the guu who wants to the guy. Its a philosophy that men want to be a part of so they can take the red pill, be in the KNOW of whats going off in western civilisation and to not be the sheep who follows the herd.
@Mrwoo99 sounds good. I'm happily married with kids in a traditional way with specific gender roles. Can I be MGTOW too?
* which is up to the guy on which one he wants to choose and fits his lifestyle.
@Mrwoo99 what would I have too do to join this club?
weak? I am a green beret, airborne ranger, paratrooper, vet of 3 wars were I fought up close and personal have 2 purple hearts from being almost killed in combat, in-between war I fought as a kick boxer and fought for a world title. mgtow are those who have realized the world in general gives zero dams, shits or fucks about you. and thus return the favor www.redonkulas.com
... what rock have you been under, to not have seen the hate feminists have gotten?
I always knew guys only just wanted their own version of Feminism. Feminism is trashed to the max, so I'm sure the MGTOW thing is too.
It's not even close to feminism.. do your research before stating such a thing.
@Topkek It's their own personal movement.
Yes, unlike feminist groups, which are looking to change laws and many of the groups are political and government-funded.
Ever heard of the phrase: "The only winning move is not to play"
That's what MGTOW is about.
because mgtow are the worst of the worst of the worst. a hundred times worse than any feminist i have met online or in the real world.
You have to find the American Women Suck crowd from 15 years ago to find cool anti-feminists.
They are both butt hurt people who got butt hurt by the opposite gender and mostly got rejected many times by them and never got over it.
your 26 just wait until you taste divorce loose your kids n pay the bitch while you live in a cardboard box.
@redonkulas12 Well yeah that's a different story.
either groups do what they want in my opinion. im sure that feminists were shamed too when they started their first wave.
you are correct
It is a double standard brought upon us by the politically correct squids.
Feminism and mgtow are nothing to do with each other. But still, people can do what they like if they aren't harming others and shouldn't be hated for it
Both are equally hated, I don't know many guys who would date a feminist.
I now know what MGTOW stands for but what does it mean?
someone who has realized the world in general does you no favors as a dude
Because many women are very hypocritical.