What popular notion do you think society has wrong?

[Fitness-Fanatic]

[BlueCoyote]

In my opinion, the American dream is one of the wrongest notions ever conceived. First of all, traditional capitalism claims that everyone can become rich. That's extremely misleading because the correct term should be "anyone". Capitalism is like playing the lottery: anyone can win but 49,999,999 out of 50 million people won't.
Also, libertarians and conservatives love to claim that one only needs to be disciplined, work hard and be tough and he can become rich one day. Clearly, this is not the case. A Truck driver or a coal miner or a cleaning lady or a waitress can work 70 hours a week for 45 years straight and they will NEVER end up well-off. In fact, most of them will never even manage to buy themselves a house or go on a long vacation. They are forced to sell their hard labor for dimes at the dollar and are, eventually, nothing but slaves of a plutocratic system set up by a bunch of astronomically rich people who didn't become rich by working but by letting their money multiply by itself.

[_caaaaaaam]

It's not about working harder it's about working the system

[curiousnorway]

@BlueCoyote, I'm agree. Another thing I would add is thanks to the US system the health care for instance is very expensive.

[BlueCoyote]

@_caaaaaaam Well, originally, people were told that they could achieve anything if they only worked hard. Like the guy who goes from washing dishes to owning his own factory empire. Sadly, this is an illusion today for the most part because the social mobility doesn't exist anymore.

[curiousnorway]

Taking away a child's life if they're young enough and the mother don't want them. I thinks everybody deserves a chance in life and that nobody have the right to decide who have the right to live. So I'm a pro-lifer and against abortion.

I thinks it should be illegal and both parts (the woman and the doctor) should be punished. My country is so pro-choice that nobody have made a awareness campaign against it. Smoking and alcohol is legal in my country, but I sees awareness campaign against it everywhere.

[Vanjasper]

What do you think women are, baby incubators with out a mind of their own? You're Pro-Birth, nothing else. Such fundamentalist Christian dogma has no part in modern society.

[curiousnorway]

@Vanjasper, I'm an liberal atheist who just have a so called conservative opinion. I thinks people should take responsibility when they have sex in order to avoid unwanted pregnancy and they should use contraception. If they don't want to keep their children, they should adopt them away instead of taking away their lives. This wouldn't be a problem if they just were more careful.

[Vanjasper]

Unfortunately, human beings are human beings, with all the frailty that that involves. They dont follow rules when the horn strikes, they have needs, desires, and urges that can hit a couple, or two strangers, at any time. So you have to be human yourself and make allowances.
Women can have very big life threatening issues when pregnant, as well as mental ones, that might be brought about by how the child was conceived.
Are they to be subject to your rigid unbending rules as well? Be thankful you're a man and will never have to make that ultimate decision.

[WildButterfly]

You're transphobic if u don't date transgenders

It's attractive for straight guys to dress/be
feminine now

It's ok for guys to use the ladies bathroom if they feel like they're a woman

[curiousnorway]

I'm agree with the first one. Everybody have their own preferences in dating.

[Rissyanne]

You are not transphobic if you don't date transgenders. It's called a preference

[WildButterfly]

@Rissyanne Yeah I agree but society seems to think otherwise.

[Rissyanne]

Don't you think that's just stupid? Have you seen the question I posted about this?

[WildButterfly]

@Rissyanne Of course it's stupid. And I'm not sure if I've come across your question. Pls send me a link.

[Rissyanne]

www.girlsaskguys.com/.../q2373741-are-genital-preferences-transphobic

[wingattebaby16]

our poor and poverty stricken, esp veterans deserve their lives.

[Prana]

Most of the popular notions that the society has is wrong

[applesandbannas54]

@4465loveyou5577

''The food chain wouldn't justify us raising and killing animals when we have no need to.''

The food chain is what nature has intended and humans have evolved into eating meat diets. ideological veganism is literally nothing but a bunch of self righteous and contradicting people who feel they are better because they eat plants which they feel, is somehow lower on the scale of life in their opinion

''And often we kill animals right when they're born/hatched''

and people eat seeds. or plants that have just been grown

''There's harsh things in the wild but there is also joys animals experience which they are deprived in factory farms''

not sure if you knew this but thats frowned upon in todays society in fact a lot of these farms get closed down when found out. I dont support abusive farms, and I strictly eat from butchers that dont abuse their animals and starve them. on average, farms treat animals better than the wild. the wild has no regulation

''but we've looked at how the tissues communicate inside and out''

it doesn't matter what you looked at. the tools that are used to measure things are limited plain and simple. Our tools cannot even measure consciousness and there is clear indication of plants not only having memory but reacting to its environment which are two variables when talking of cognitive thinking. your argument is ''they dont feel it because they dont have the same structure as us'' have you ever heard of ghost limbs? there have been people who have felt that they had a limb when it was missing and could feel the sensation even with no limb present. but you won't take any of this in account though, you just want to tell yourself what you are telling me so you can sleep at night. NOTHING from you is reasonable.

'' the premise of this discussion was your response to my opinion''

yes that was the premise of the discussion BUT you quoted me, then brought up taste buds when the quote clearly said you are trying to say one type of life is important than the other. You went on a tangent and brought up taste buds.

''that suffer is wrong but even by your metric''
most animals on farms dont ''suffer'' they live healthy lives. You are trying to over simplify and make things dramatic to make it seem like you have a point. Also I kill more than you? it doesn't matter, you are still a killer. whatever helps you sleep at night though. you also blocked me to make it seem like you got the last laugh. now ill do the same

[applesandbannanas22]

''Nature doesn't "intend" for any animal to eat meat when there is no need ''

nature intends what fits our environment and in our case, we have evolved to be omnivores. most animals that are carnivores simply get the vast majority of their energy and nutrients from meat and need it to live optimally (dogs spring to mind). Your dog can eat veggies and probably likes it, but he doesn't NEED them for anything and he digests meat way more effectively. The majority of animals do eat meat, they were designed to do so.

''so we're the ones who are following the laws of nature''

so now you are claiming that the food chain isn't sticking to nature? wow, you are the one who is clearly smoking something.

''except the worlds leading neuroscientists have stated otherwise ''

that doesn't prove what consciousness is nor does it ACTUALLY measure it. Besides, you went on a tangent AGAIN when that wasn't even my point. I said who are you to claim what feels and what doesnt?

[applesandbannanas22]

''And your body in a few ways reacts to the environment without you thinking about it ''

so? that doesn't negate the fact that plants may have consciousness, who are you to claim otherwise? ever lived as a plant? you are saying ''oh since we can't seem to measure any form of awareness from plants, this makes me more right than you'' THATS an excuse to eat plants and feel better about yourself. you are just self projecting at this point

[Myson]

Society doesn't understand how we are addicted to our thoughts. How it is disturbing emotions, being in the present moment, getting attached to lifeless object made out of plastic. How we must know more and more but yet we are unable to know how to stop thinking. Overthinking destroys good moments, destroys sleep, destroys enjoying the taste of your meal. We are distracted and society keeps that going. Our mind runs all day, and we find that normal. And then people ask why there is more mental problems than before. I think we got away from our body and heart, and think we are a brain in a mech suit made of flesh, and I think society has that "wrong" :)

[abc3643]

Libertarianism

Mathematically, from a dynamical systems perspective, it fails with large societies and dense populations and we end up similar to what we have.

Capitalism is in the same boat but for different mathematical reasons with worse long-term effects if left unchecked.

[backtoblackkkk]

I agree.

[MrGreyEyes]

Never trust anyone... It's impossible and absurd to think one can live life without trusting anyone. lmao You don't have to be a fool or be duped by the Internet when exercising trust. My motto is simply trust until someone gives me a reason to not trust.

[backtoblackkkk]

I kind of disagree with you on that one. You never know what a person is capable of.

[MrGreyEyes]

Funny but that's just life. Hell a person can't always tell what their mother is going to do. Life is about choices and chances that we take everyday. Some people can choose to live in fear and paranoia. That's just not how I ever operated in my personal life.

[backtoblackkkk]

Choosing not to trust just anyone is not a sign of fear or paranoid. It's a sign of intelligence.

[backtoblackkkk]

paranoia*

[MrGreyEyes]

Your obviously misconstruing my whole point. Never did I ever mention trusting everyone or trusting blindly, such as the way these clowns date. Do what works for you. I simply said for me I trust until someone gives me a reason to not trust them.

[applesandbannanas22]

but what if you trusting because you want to give them a chance brings detrimental consequences? some people understand it, or learned from their mistakes. There are a lot of bad people out there. its kind of wrong to call that absurd. We play the cards we are dealt. Giving everyone a chance is setting yourself up for failure.

[MrGreyEyes]

We can't live in fear tho. People fail to be open and honest because of fear of rejection. That's a part of life we all experience. Like rejection, trust has to be granted with great concern and thought because of the nature of a lot of people. But however, we simply make the best and wisest dicisions and hope for the best with the smallest amount of consequences.

[applesandbannanas22]

you shouldn't live in fear, but that does not mean walk around like a innocent child waiting to be taken advantage of. The world isn't a sweet place, therefor for you to walk around giving everyone a chance is not the best choice. I understand if its someone you know but to put enough trust into someone where it can effect you sure is noble, but still gullible.

[MrSelfless]

In India:
1. Want of boy child than a girl child

2. Dick size and tit size

3. Expensive brands are always good and local brands aren't good in terms of material used (Tust me decent Indian bramds are much better than other foriegn brands no matter clothes , shoes , food even a woman coz they believe in married life and are extremely loyal)

4. Thinking of Indian elders that woman can manage both home and office together. Nooo , they are humans too you can't expect them to earn and then cook , do laundry , clean , do all house hold work , Its better to keep a maid.

5. Men have to earn more than a woman. (Yes I was rejected for this by someone so i feel this is bad)

6. Religios people are decent, kind and have more morals , Now this is bullshit. A religious person isn't always kind merciful and can be a dick.

[Waffles731]

that full capitalism is awesome,
for it to work it needs a mix of socialism and capitalism

[curiousnorway]

I'm agree. In Norway we do have a combination between these two. We do have capitalism, but at the same time a social-democracy where we do have welfare.

[BCRanger10]

That morals and truth are subjective to each person, that there is no objective standard.

That marriage is arbitrary.

That religious doctrines and dogmas can and should be changed to suit modern society.

Pretty much everything that modern society believes about love, relationships, marriage, and sex.

[fenixx0083]

"God cares about the power struggles of nations", "my special victim group is victimier than your special victim group", "if you didn't come to the conversation already believing what I believe then you are naieve/ignorant, for surely my source of 'news' and 'facts' is true and yours is false for no other reason than 'because'...", "Bob the preacher/politician/businessman really cares, not like all those other 'ere hers/politicians/businessmen'", "my kid is special", etc etc etc...

[fenixx0083]

We just make up what we *want* to believe, and for having no concrete reason to believe so we just bully and lash out at anyone who questions our invalid notions, because the only way we can continue to believe is if no one around is questioning our beliefs.

[Rissyanne]

Kind like liberals do

[fenixx0083]

I would like to amend the list by adding "thinking that thus-and-such a political/social/ideological party is clearly a bunch of drooling morons, and only do/think what they do/think because they follow blindly... ... I know this because my political/social/ideological demogogue said so..."

[ShortCircuit]

That there are inherently and objectively "right" and "wrong" morals. In reality, morals are ENTIRELY subjective to each and every individual, but many people are forced to uphold principals that were forced on them via societal influence.

[ccal28]

I think the idea of credit is a little faulty, you basically dig yourself a financial hole to see if you can get back out, just seems like there has to be a better way

[Dubloons]

If you're not smart with your credit. It can be an asset if you know what you are doing.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Honestly that Isalm is really a religion of peace. When nothing can be further from the truth.

[4465loveyou5577]

That making your taste buds happy is worth killing an innocent animal.

[applesandbannanas22]

oooh please

[4465loveyou5577]

@applesandbannanas22 Ooooh please what? That's the only justification you have for killing animals for their meat.

[applesandbannanas22]

so what do we do? let them be free? do you know what 'free'' means? that means they go back to the wild. If you have ever been on a reserve for animals of some sort, then you will see just how ''humane'' it is out there. animals are slaughtered by their food chain predators constantly and brutally ripped to shreds watching their insides being eat out while they are still alive. pretty graphic huh? you want to really be for the cause? then why dont you change the entire food chain before you start pointing fingers because its actually WORSE out there in the wild than what setting humans put them in. Also, lets talk about the plants you eat. Just because you do not have the tools necessary to tell if this plant is capable of some conscious thought does not make it any less alive than the animals that are eaten. Plants have been proven to have memory, and they react to their environment. who are you to be the supreme overlord and deem which life is more important? just eat water.

[4465loveyou5577]

@applesandbannanas22 Or we could stop breading them in the first place. And no, what happens out in the wild isn't worse than what we do. No other animal keeps its prey couped up in factory farms all it's life. Also, why do people keep bringing up that plants are alive as though it's a valid argument against veganism? No @#$% they're alive but the vegan argument was never that if something's alive you shouldn't eat it; it's that if it's an animal it's wrong to eat it because other animals (like us) have a nervous system and in case you failed biology, feeling pain is a function of the nervous system.
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But as for the plants, in case you forgot you can't just plant an egg in the ground and expect it to grow into a chicken; you have to feed it but most of what you feed it doesn't get turned into flesh it gets burned for energy so you're still killing more plants than me.

[4465loveyou5577]

"who are you to be the supreme overlord and deem which life is more important?" I'm not the one claiming that some life is less important than my taste buds, that's you.

[applesandbannanas22]

''Or we could stop breading them in the first place''

this still does not negate the fact of the food chain. What you consider worse is feeding animals and making sure that they are kept healthy opposed to animals living in harsh conditions worrying about being caught by prey? we are more humane than the other predators are, and a lot of the time there are animals who dont even make it to the age of 1 in the wild from being eaten, dying of sickness, infection or starvation. yes, we do end up killing them, but trying to claim that the wild is less cruel is a lie to yourself and anyone else who knows what the wild is. also, do not try and talk about my knowledge on biology. like I said before, our tools are limited, and claiming that certain things can feel while other things cannot just because there is nothing to measure it is arrogant on any level. plants dont have a nervous system, but have you ever lived as a plant? do you know what its like? if not, nothing is absolute and that..

[applesandbannanas22]

is the FIRST rule when you should keep in mind when talking about science. I am not even a biologists but studying for physics and no matter what subject I am in we always have to have that mindset. now, im killing more plants than you? two wrongs dont make a right.

[applesandbannanas22]

yeah you are claiming Which life is more important than the other, i said NOTHING about tastebuds, nice trying twisting my words though. you are the EXACT stereotype of a vegan that people hate. Self righteous and you feel as if you are any better when you are killing life too. Also, saying ''there are no nerves'' doesn't not make you any less of a killer

[4465loveyou5577]

@applesandbannanas22 The food chain wouldn't justify us raising and killing animals when we have no need to. When there is enough plants to live off of, omnivores won't hunt. And often we kill animals right when they're born/hatched (google grinding male chicks). There's harsh things in the wild but there is also joys animals experience which they are deprived in factory farms; all they know is misery so it is worse than the wild. As for plants, we don't only know that they don't have a nervous system like animals do, but we've looked at how the tissues communicate inside and out and there is nothing even analogous to one, so claiming that they can't feel pain isn't being arrogant on any level, it's being reasonable. What is being arrogant is thinking that your taste buds could justify making an animal suffer because that's all there is to it.

[4465loveyou5577]

@applesandbannanas22 News flash: the premise of this discussion was your response to my opinion which specifically mentioned taste buds and if you're so high and mighty that you think yours are more important than an animals life then you're in no position to level such an allegation against me #ActionsSpeakLouderThanWords

[4465loveyou5577]

And in case you forgot, if I don't eat plants, I DIE.

[4465loveyou5577]

And in case you forgot what I said, the argument wasn't killing anything is wrong it's that killing things that suffer is wrong but even by your metric, I only kill plants, you kill the animal and the (greater amount) of plants needed to feed the animal. You're killing more => you're more of a killer than me.

[4465loveyou5577]

@applesandbannanas22
Nature doesn't "intend" for any animal to eat meat when there is no need for it and in our case that's just being wasteful (which is utterly counter intuitive to the laws of survival) so we're the ones who are following the laws of nature, not you (stick that in your pipe and smoke it). So carnism is nothing more than the self-absorbed idealogy that your taste buds are important enough that they could justify making another animal suffer and die. "Our tools cannot even measure consciousness" except the worlds leading neuroscientists have stated otherwise https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSbom5MsfNM
And your body in a few ways reacts to the environment without you thinking about it so that wouldn't make the reaction or memory in plants a conscious experience so it's not that I'm being unreasonable, you're just making excuses. And no most animals don't live healthy lives, they live confined in their own filth.

[Pizzalover101]

That not 1 person can ever make the world a better place

[LemonadeProphet]

It annoys me when people say that GM foods are bad.

[coszie]

uhhhhhhhhh that's because they very well can be

[LemonadeProphet]

Give me a good reason then, because what people don't realise it that humans hsve been eating genetically modified food for hundreds of years. And from what ai've seen half of the idiots that say it's bad don't even know ehat GM means.

[LemonadeProphet]

For example: Carrots and Corn that we eat today (and most other vegetables) are actually domesticated versions of their wild counterparts and have been made so because of hundreds of years of selective breeding which is a form of genetic modification. Even the genetically modified food of today like blue tomatoes have been modified to make them more nutritious and don't have any known side effects. But of course idiots who haven't done their research always dismiss it as some kind of frankenstein because "hurr durr GM food iz bad"

[coszie]

high fructose corn syrup. I'll stop there 👍

[LemonadeProphet]

You didn't say why it was bad

[LemonadeProphet]

And Highfructose corn syrup isn't genetically modified, so you haven't proven anything

[coszie]

right ther3s you've proved your lack of knowledge. It absolutely is. And its one of the leading causes of obesity in good today. guess you're the one hurr durr doesn't know anything :(

[LemonadeProphet]

No it isn't. The corn it's made from is but it is processed to the point where the genetically modified DNA and Proteins are degraded and undetectable so you can't blame genetic modification because the you can't genetically modify the corn syrup itseld because it has no genes to modify. If you haven't noticed the keyword there in Genetic modification is "genetics."

I'm not expert but you seriously need to work on your knowledge in biochemistry before you make yourself look even more foolish

[coszie]

says the 18 year old to the actual person who's studied health science. you honestly don't know anything

[coszie]

I honestly don't care have a good day. look it up I'm not going to list shit out for you

[LemonadeProphet]

Lol sutdied health science but can't prove me wrong, cheers m8

[LemonadeProphet]

An if you didn't care yoh wouldn't have commented in the first place

[coszie]

I had to let you know you were wrong 😉 and you don't want to hear you just want to fuck whine like a baby. there's way too many variables for me to just say why it is or isn't bad. if you knew literally anything you would know that.

[LemonadeProphet]

If you had to let me know I was wrong then you did care didn't you? I wasn't really whining, I was stating my points lol, though I will acknowledge that using insults on my part was uncalled for. And you can't "hear" me whining, everything's in text 😜

[LemonadeProphet]

I don't know literally anything, though I do know something since I did both biology and chemistry and have studied Genetic modification

[LemonadeProphet]

Well, not totally in depth, but enough to be able to support my argument

[Thebestyoucan]

Clothing is necessary for absolutely everything, especially things like swimming, sauna, hanging out at your house, boating, beaches, etc etc

[JacobAS]

There's just too much judging people. No one can judge another person.

[IAmBlueThunder]

That serving in the military is an i inherently honorible thing.

[backtoblackkkk]

Lmfao... you know how much work the military puts in to protect people?

[IAmBlueThunder]

@backtoblackkkk I don't want to have a discussion about it.

[backtoblackkkk]

Why? I'm curious as to why you think that. Is there someone from the military you know who's not honorable?

[curiousnorway]

@backtoblackkkk, if no countries in the world had military and nobody wanted to join it, it wouldn't be any war and the humanity would be a lot different.

[backtoblackkkk]

@curiousnorway Politicians and terrorists are usually the ones who cause war, not the military.

[curiousnorway]

@backtoblackkkk, but without a military the politicians can't order a war. Especially not if everybody don't want to join it. But you've a point on the terrorist thing.

[N_Kal]

that government can make things free.

[shant]

The way most society (mainly Americans) view sex as being taboo.

[Pybrid]

that all guys are fuckboys

[SpartanMEC777]

Gay marriage

[Pybrid]

what about it, your answer can go both ways

[SpartanMEC777]

I'me not understanding how is that if it was then there would be more homosexuals​

[coszie]

liberalism. (especially in economivs)

[Knkutz]

Men are more sexual than women.

[es20490446e]

Likely everyone is right.

[JCT666]

That "love" and "peace" stops terrorism.

[Dred1614returns]

That being a tranny is courageous.

[CorruptedDocument]

the tie makes you intelligent

[Mhandl]

Black guys and white girls are like white on rice.

[boyinlove]

everybody seem like come fr same factory