Would you say that wearing suits promotes the objectification of men?

[BellaIsQueen]

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This question is inspired from the opinion below :

Yes.

No.

I'm not sure ; don't care.

Other/ Result.

[Investigator]

A man wearing a suit is no more objectifying than a woman wearing a dress: what matters is not how the subject is clothed, but how the subject is perceived by the viewer. A person is only objectified if the viewer observes the subject as a means to an end, a utility with which to perform an action.

The reason we would say that a suit objectifies a man is because suits are to humans what bright feathers are to peacocks: we have collectively decided that suits, or at least well-tailored suits, signal a certain level of class and status. They aren't something any old commoner will be caught wearing, at least not most of the time, and therefore the purchase of a suit becomes a display of the man's resources. In that sense, he IS an object, but ONLY if the act of observing the suit and any accompanying accessories immediately creates in the mind of the observer the perception of wealth. What matters isn't if he has resources (though that is probably necessary to afford a suit that can be used to signal such status in the first place), but that he is BELIEVED to have resources.

Now, one could always refute this by going to the "fake it 'til you make it" argument, i. e. you could always fake having a nice suit to project status, which would imply that the suit itself plays little or no part in the dance of resource management, if the ends are so easy to emulate. The problem with this is that you would have to already be spending some approximation of the time and resources required to fake the genuine article anyway, and if you are capable of bearing enough cost to try to fake a nice suit, it therefore follows that the amount of additional cost to get the real deal wouldn't be much in the way of surplus effort. Either way, the act of wearing a suit comes with it the effect of being observed as having enough resources to provide for amenities in life--beyond the immediate, bare necessities required just to survive.

TL;DR A suit objectifies a man only if the act of wearing it convinces people that he has resources

[Blake0048]

I have to dress business casusl at least every day for work and sometimes business formal. It actually works against me sometimes with women. At least with the genuine ones who want somebody to fuck or maybe somebody to actually be with. The only women that seem to comment on the clean cut appearance are single mothers women who are financially broken etc... they aren't attracted to me or the suit they're attracted to the social implications that come with wearing one. They just like that you're successful especially the older they get. What do women like when they're young? Not suits they like thuggish men whether it be the hoodrat type the rough tough country blue collar biker maybe a bit of a thug type (this is a common archetype in the south) or they like the edgy guy with all the tattoos gauges vans skinny jeans etc... they like guys like that because it doesn't look proper they likelike it for the opposite reason they like suits when they like them. Just depends really on what point of their life they're in. My point is I don't think sexual attraction among women really changes. They are still attracted to the stereotypical tough guy bad boy type they are just evenually smart enough to realize long term he's not really a good strategy. Men objectify women as 'sex objects' as do women objectify men. Women on the other hand not only objectify men sexually but they objectify their bank accounts. So men have to deal with the same bullshit women do and then on top of that another layer of BS. To top it all off they rarely see the man as both the badboy type and the provider they see him as one or the other or worse they see him as a sexually useless loser because he isn't at least an 8 on a 1-10 or isn't very successful or isn't outgoing enough etc... So I really don't want to hear anything about women being objectified men have it much worse and the categories we are typecasted as determines all of our interations with women throughout our lives.

[lumos]

Not at all. Based on that anon guy’s comment, suits are just ”deceitful” if they ”make guys look successful and rich”. Not objectifying. It seems like he doesn’t really understand what objectification is. His comment would be a bit more valid if he had said that suits make guys look like walking wallets. At least then he would have used the work correctly. But I’d still disagree. Even people with average and below average income can afford generic suits (or one suit), and to me they’re just a type of formal wear, not something that indicates wealth.

[lumos]

used the word correctly*

[Hidden_P]

Not really.
I’ve worked at places with uniforms, and places with dress codes.

Did I look at my manager with his company approved suit on and go “wow... he must be loaded...”

No. Because we worked in a supermarket. And I also knew how much he earnt.

Did I look at my friend at a different job and go “woah... he must be taking it in...”

No. Because we both earned half of minimum wage (apprenticeship wage, £2.60 an hour/$3.51 an hour) and I knew his suit was on sale from a cheap supermarket.

[Hidden_P]

Also, suits cover the body fully so it’s hardly showing off their arms or their package dangling around. It is pretty covering.

They look good. The Anon is an idiot.

[Gontse_Moropa]

Harvey!!!
But no it doesn't objectify men in anyway, if men choose to wear suits doesn't mean they are being seen as objects of something by society. This person blew it in a direction no one understands.

[BellaIsQueen]

I ❤️ Harvey too :P

[ThisDudeHere]

ffs pretty much everything is objectifying nowadays

[EpicDweeb]

On the contrary wearing suites has nothing to do with position, it has to do with class. (And yes there's a difference). A well tailored suit gives off a sense of class and generally promotes a sense of civility. To say it objectifies men is bull especially when no one forces men to wear them. They may be putting on a facade but that's not objectification. Also... anyone who doesn't like suits or thinks they don't look good is... just how? I don't understand how anyone could consider them anything less than incredibly classy/attractive.

[Hal2002]

Yes I enjoy dressing up and wearing a suit, for special events.

I agree to a point that someone wearing a suit, has things assumed about them. Someone that wears a suit to work everyday, is usually assumed to be well paid and successful.

I know this to be not true, it makes me smile when I am in my work uniform and I run into a friend that wears a suit to work, how people look at and treat us differently.

I work a blue collar job, and a uniform is required by the company I work for. Most people see my uniform and see someone in a suit and assume, the one wearing the suit is the better pain and more successful.

The old saying should be heeded, never judge a book by it's cover. A lot of blue collar occupations, are better paying and have more job security than white collar occupations.

[ksoma]

No.
First of all, almost ANY man can look good (respectable to other men, and... if not attractive, then at least not off putting to women) in a well made suit.
For another, it is just dress clothes.

So, I don't know who the blue anon was who is upset about this, but no, there is nothing wrong with suits, they don't objectify or dehumanize men, and they really do look good.
Money is not something I have all that much of, but I know that I want to save up and buy myself a nice suit, just because I want one.

[Anonymous]

No it doesn't objectify men. I do think it is stupid that there are a lot of instances where it is unfair that a man has to wear a suit in order to be more successful tho. Such as job interviews or to certain jobs. A suit doesn't make a man. Yet if you don't wear one in these situations you will be at a disadvantage or discriminated against. I hate wearing a suit and everytime I'm forced to wear one I and very unhappy and can't wait to take it off. I also hope that it is the last time I will ever have to wear one. When I die it's going to be jeans, hoodie, tee, leather jacket and motorcycle boots. Same if I'm ever dumb enough to get married.

[Anonymous]

Eh, sort of, not really. Maybe as much as being naked promotes objectification of women (it doesn't). Though it's not necessarily a mirrored thing, the nature of how men view women naked likely isn't the same as how women view men in suits. Generally I'm just going to say no but I'll add that it seems kind of weird/gross thing to be interested in. Bodies make sense in that they *are* you and are inseparable, even clothes that accentuate the body make sense in a similar way. But when the factor that attracts is something removed from the person like status or wealth and changes with their outfit then that just seems a little weird and gross to me, something just feels wrong there I don't know. Yet I still wouldn't say it's exactly objectification.

[TripleAce]

objectifying men?
Im not sure what this guy is talking about but all clothes and fashion project something...
a suit does not project that a guy is rich and successful... Not sure where he got that from

a suit projects a man having a desire to look like a gentleman
--> these days, cells phones, winter jackets, boots, and 3 nights out cost more than a suit lol...

[Stokes]

Now a days you can't do/say/wear anything without it's objectifying, sexist, racist or w/e to someone.
A suit doesn't make a man, it's the other way around. It has responsibility, manners and respect assiociated. Besides I love women wearing a good shaped dress. Classy and traditional. So why wouldn't I suit and tie?

[jennifer_bloom]

I know guys who love to wear suits cause its a short cut to social status - they don't have to work to be good people or charming people or smart people - they just have to put on a suit and automatically people like them but I agree some guys may not enjoy wearing them when the climate is too hot or cold.

[GracefulCharm]

A suit is a symbol of nobility in the modern age. This is a trend that comes from the victorian era and even further back.

Sure it's objectifying. But it's a status quo set by those in power. If president's and the global elite stopped wearing suits and started wearing hoodies. The hoody would become a symbol of nobility. Some trends are started by the upper class and some are started by the lower class. This is how society is, you can't change these rules, even if you reject them.

[d2796]

the term objectify is both loosely and often incorrectly used; men wearing suits is not objectification nor is a women wearing sexy attire. Most appearances aren't objective unless you're taking on the appearance of an actual inanimate object, that said people don't typically objectify each other based on appearance.

[COCOCHANEL]

the hot ones do look hot in them

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[Political_dude]

That's absurd. You shouldn't take anons seriously. Suits look awesome

[Anonymous]

I think men in suits look hot. It just looks yummy on them. Also when they loosen the tie, take of the jacket, and roll up their sleeves, it's smokin...
I absolutely HATE the thug hoodrat type. I mean why on earth would anyone dress like a dirty homeless person when they can dress nice and stylish. The thug type even costs more these days!

[hellacray]

Ok the idiot is clearly under 18.

Wearing a suit does not objectify a man. I mean think about work clothes, think about going to interviews, weddings, etc...

I mean wearing a suit is to look nice and professional for the occasion.

I just don't understand what that guy was thinking. If he hates suits I say good luck getting a job.

[tartaarsaus]

Wut? One could wear suits for a couple reasons such as 1) liking the look of it 2) normal to wear it at certain jobs and positions. I don't see how it objectifies anyone.

@BlueAnon

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[Anonymous]

I do not think it does. It just shows they like to look good, and be proud of themselves. It would not matter what the guy in the picture does. He may even be unemployed. Does not stop him wanting to look smart and make the best of himself. That takes a bit of effort!

[dontBshy]

[ C ] I just like looking good. Got me thinking, I ain't wear a suit in a while. Why wouldn't i want to look like a million dollars so all the woman that look like a billion dollars can see me 😁 , huge me , kiss me , and love me 😙

[BellaIsQueen]

Lol 😂🤗🤗🤗

[JamesHoron9]

Mera answer kahan gaya? ussey bhi jhannatedaar chaanta raseed kar diya kya?

[NineBreaker]

No, it does not. Do most people even know what "objectification" is? How does wearing a suit lower someone to the level of being a mere object?

[UnknownXYZ]

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Definitely. Not enough men complain so it will remain this way.