I agree with what some women have to say here. If a woman is a housewife, and the husband earns money, then the woman should clean the house.
A woman can't have the attitude, that on one hand she doesn't want to earn money and on the other she finds shame in being a housewife.
I feel sad at the mentality of feminists.
There is no shame in cooking and cleaning in your own home. It is a womanly duty. A good woman shouldn't even ask her husband to do this. If a woman finds shame in household chores, then how can she expect the man to be open-minded?
Even if I end up being a working woman in the future, I will happily cook and clean the house because I don't have any ego or negative mentality or arrogance like most feminists today. A lot of women are lazy and arrogant and they use feminism to get away with chores.
There are so many things that men do, that women don't. For example: even today there are more men in the army and in the construction industry, there are more men doing the dangerous work or the heavy work, like taking the heavy stock out of trucks, sacrificing animals. Yet, they never make this a gender issue.
I am a woman and I don't see any problem in traditional gender roles, what is up with people questioning every single thing in the name of feminism? I am fed up despite being a woman.
In the old days, women used to feel proud to take care of their homes, husbands and children and nowadays, they find shame in this.
Ali said, "a foolish woman treats her husband like a slave and becomes a slave's wife herself, and a wise woman treats her husband like a king and becomes a queen herself."
Tomorrow, women will say should the father change the nappies, and look after babies. You see god made women have certain skills and he gave men certain skills. God made traditional roles. God made men and women different, that is why men can walk without a shirt, and women can't. Even today, we see men drive trucks, cranes, they do bike stunts, and women should feel happy just being women, are they insecure of their own gender?
Women live easier lives than men, the housechores in the western countries are nothing compared to other places, and the household chores women had to do in the old days, and even today in villages. What about women who carry water on their heads, who don't have taps to wash the taps, they don't have washing machines, yet they don't complain, they cook in 45 degrees.
A housewife is not inferior to a working woman.
Elizabeth elliot said, “It is a naive sort of feminism that insists that women prove their ability to do all the things that men do. This is a distortion and a travesty. Men have never sought to prove that they can do all the things women do. Why subject women to purely masculine criteria? Women can and ought to be judged by the criteria of femininity, for it is in their femininity that they participate in the human race. And femininity has its limitations. So has masculinity. That is what we’ve been talking about. To do this is not to do that. To be this is not to be that. To be a woman is not to be a man. To be married is not to be single - which may mean not to have a career. To marry this man is not to marry all the others. A choice is a limitation.”
Elizabeth Elliot said, “We are women, and my plea is Let me be a woman, holy through and through, asking for nothing but what God wants to give me, receiving with both hands and with all my heart whatever that is.”
“To me, a lady is not frilly, flouncy, flippant, frivolous and fluff-brained, but she is gentle, she is gracious, she is godly and she is giving. You and I have the gift of femininity... the more womanly we are, the more manly men will be and the more God is glorified. Be women, be only women, be real women in obedience to God.”
Her message was let women be women, let men be men. Imagine if men question why a woman always get the child custody? Why men have to name their property on women's name? Why they have to pay for dates, why they have to buy expensive gifts, why they have to propose first, why it is man's responsibility to provide for his family- this is just insane to question every norm one can think of or to find faults in everything.
Men do so much for women, that feminists can't. Men provide for women, they name their property after them, they work hard to put food on the table, they pay for their shopping, meals, gifts, holidays, a feminist will happily encourage a woman to get divorced, but let's say if that woman becomes homeless, she has no job, no money, nothing, I am 100% sure that the feminist will not take her responsibility, she will not let her live in her house. A feminist's job is to break homes, and nothing else, for me a feminist is a woman's biggest enemy, feminism actually brainwashes and does peer pressure. A woman should only be a feminist, if it is for a serious cause like being homeless, being starved or beaten to death. If she is living a happy comfortable life, if she is cherished, if she is given basic human rights, then she has no reason to be a feminist and rebellious. Fighting against your own male family members, is not something to be proud.
A woman should ask herself, how does she want her brother to be treated by his wife, how she wants her son to be treated by his wife, I even wrote a mytake on times when feminists got carried away. They protested because the canada's national song, had the phrase, "thy sons commands," and it had to be changed to "we command,"
tomorrow, you will ask, why have different washrooms and changing rooms for both genders, after all both are equal.
I think any grown adult should be capable and willing to clean their own home, whether it's a man or a woman. That's a basic thing that everyone should do. In the case of couples, I don't think the burden should fall on women to clean just because they are women. Household responsibilities should be shared or at the very least, the couple should do whatever works for their individual lifestyle.
For me, I work from home so I also tend to do most of the household chores as well since I'm here most of the day anyway. My partner works outside of the home but he does do certain household things too when he's not at work and he knows how to clean up after himself so it's not a problem for us.
Like I said, every couple should do what works best for them but no one should be "forced" to take on certain responsibilities just because of their gender.
Yeah sure let's see you happily mow the lawn on the hottest day of summer, fix stuff, cram yourself into tight spaces, get cut, lift, move big heavy things, AND work all day every day to pay for everything HE owns and pays for that you call "both of yours"
I could myself easily doing that, not just you
@JoesCuriousBrain Because you know me personally? I have no issues with doing yard work. I grew up working with my dad outside. Making assumptions about other people based on their gender only makes you look bad.
Nice try on a flip coming from Ms I work from Home Lol. But no. Guys do the actually hard shit, women do the easy shit. You should appreciate how easy and simple you all have it
@JoesCuriousBrain I do work from home (meaning, I have an actual job that I am paid for which I do from home), that doesn't mean I'm incapable of doing other things when I need to though or that I "can't" do other types of work. Again with the assumptions, your behavior here is only reflecting poorly on yourself. I'm sorry someone apparently hurt you but taking out your anger and frustrations on all women won't solve anything. Best of luck to you though, I'm not arguing with someone who already has their mind made up.
Lol awe trying to take the obvious and high horse riding "moral high road" again trying to flip it on me or guys again. Stuff don't work hun, any "at home job" is nothing to actually working. And absolutely not, im. completely open and accepting of the idea of a decent girl I just know there's only a couple of them out there out of the 7.2 billion humans on this decaying earth
@JoesCuriousBrain My statements are merely based on my observations of your own behavior here. If you don't like how you are being perceived then maybe do some self-reflection and work on your approach towards others.
I never claimed my job is as physically demanding as other types of jobs so I don't know what that has to do with anything. I merely stated that I have no issue doing other types of work, which I have in the past and I have worked plenty outside doing more physically demanding things. I'm sorry if that doesn't fit your narrative or agenda but I can't help that. Have a nice day.
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He has a baby's head.. guess that speaks for itself.
You look like a man, with the brain of an infant. You're also acting the part witch makes it even funnier.
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No. Anyone and everyone who lives in that house should pull their own weight in some way. The whole point with being an adult is to be able to take care of yourself and your surroundings. That means picking up after yourself. Some couples will, of course, have a discussion about this and decide that only one person cleans. If they're ok with that and it works for them, then good for them. But cleaning is not inherently just one gender's "job", it's a life skill everyone benefits from. If I was with a guy who either didn't know how to clean, or refused to do it, I'd kick him the hell out. I'm not willing to be with a manchild who expects me to be his second mom.
I really only believe 16 year old girls with cat profile pics. should clean a couple's home.
Just kidding.
Who should do the cleaning depends a lot several issues.
1. Who is responsible for a particular mess?
2. How much time does the responsible party have to clean up after themselves?
3. Does one party work long and, especially, difficult hours?
4. Is it a mess which needs to be cleaned up right away or one which can wait for a several hours?
5. Is the mess very burdensome to the person having to clean it up, even if that person did not create the mess, or fairly easy to handle?
These issues and perhaps more need to be considered when it comes to trying to figure out a fair distribution of labor.
Consider this for example: If a woman's husband has a bad habit of leaving his underwear on the floor of the bathroom, that's a pretty inconsiderate husband. But if he at least puts his dirty laundry away, that he doesn't usually take the step of starting the laundry isn't necessarily proof of him being inconsiderate. He might not have time to stay and take care of the laundry, and it could be that the wife would not like how her husband handles the laundry.
If i had a wife/ girlfriend i would clean the house for her.
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This is a dillweed question because of the modern times we live. Everything should be 50/50. If a man has or earns enough cash and the woman chooses to stay home, then that becomes her job. If she is out putting in the same amount of hours per week, then they should share house chores right? And I don't think the wages matter if the couple truly are a modern American couple. I know certain filthy cultures that treat women as 3rd class citizens. These filthy cultures don't have a place in my opinion. by the way, I refer to them as filthy because it takes a scumbag to think it's appropriate to hit and bully a woman.
I think it should be an equal 50/50 split between the couple. I also think, some people like that domestic stuff more then others. Like, my mom she actually loves cleaning the house and cooking, it makes her happy. She actually gets a little upset when she knows she hasn't gotten around to cleaning the house in awhile. My dad is also a clean fanatic because that's how he grew up, so he helps my mom out with certain things. Just like she helps him with yard work.
As for myself, I love doing all that cleaning stuff. It makes me happy and it's actually fun. Somethings are harder for me to do like dusting and vacuuming because I'm allergic to dust and everything but I still try to do it. My point is, it should be a joint effort but if one likes a certain chore more than the other person, then they could divide it that way.
You are 16, what friend do you have that's already married in an abusive relationship? Why are the choices to clean or "do what they want"? Feminism has ruined this country. If I bust my ass paying the bills, pay for dates, and I mow the yard, climb on the roof to put up Christmas lights, move heavy shit whenever she wants, kill spiders 24/7 when asked, handle plumbing, and perform various other "man jobs" because I'm expected to then he'll yes she is going to do indoor cleaning.
My g/f is working on her b. s. I told her she is more than welcome to continue to go to school but if she wants to make over 100k a year and spend more time at work than home then I'll stay home with kids and clean the house,... she said no to that, go figure. So yes, women should clean. Stop being a whiney millineal and pick a role and stick to it.
Yes I'm 16, and my sister was in an abusive relationship. Feminism is not ruining the world. It's making what should always had been.
Oh wow, some of these opinions... no not solely a female "job." look there are many ways in which this shared duty of a household could end up. The important thing is you figure out with your significant other what way is best. If other underlying differences are what the issue is then discuss it like adults and two people who love each other or at in a caring relationship. No matter what kind of relationship if you can't help each other grow and even help each other improve in certain aspects of life then don't get into a meaningful relationship let alone get married. Not everyone has the same lifestyle or grew up with the same standards ok? Don't Damn and berate someone you say you care for and love. If you can't accept people are different and work as a team to build each other up, even when it comes to something as simple as cleaning, and sharing the duties then don't be in athe relationship.
The old mindset that men have to be the provider of the house is bullshit. No wonder relationships end in ruin and divorce rates or so high... a relationship/marriage/etc.. is a partnership. Meaning, everyone in the home has an equal responsibility. Men, need to learn to cook, clean and take care of house duties, just as much as the woman needs to focus on helping bring in financial help and stability too the home. Problem is, people are stuck following blind tradition then end up being unhappy and feeling that one partner isn't pulling there weight. (Usually, the men thinking of the women that way) we need to think as equal. Now, if your relationship works to where you have that arrangement, dont kill what works.
I actually quite enjoy cleaning so I don't think it's something she has to do at all if she can't/doesn't want to. If I am working and she isn't then I would like to believe she would keep things tidy during the day and the same goes if she is working and I'm not. But generally I think it should be a joint effort if we both make a point to pick up when we are able to then it's not a big deal who does it.
I agree
It's not that it's "women's work" or some such nonsense, it's just what the person at the house does to do their part. I don't think a man staying at home while his wife is out working all day gets to leave everything to her, that's ridiculous
I'd vote for the household chores, cleaning, etc. should be divided equally or by the person whom does it he best with an equal amount of work shared between the two.
I don't think there is anything that says housework is woman's work, it's just work that needs to get done and it doesn't matter who does it!
Any household involving multiple people requires a division of responsibility, and that should be determined by relevant factors. Gender is irrelevant to this division. 100% irrelevant. It’s in the same league as dividing the tasks according to astrological signs. No one should be exempt from contributing to the household effort due to their genitalia. That’s just silly.
I have always done more housework, because it has worked out that way. (Even when I followed a therapist’s advice to just leave the mess, to encourage a guy I was dating, to participate. It didn’t work. We just lived in a shithole!) I think as both usually work today, the man needs to contribute as well.
Only when she has no job. Has nothing to do with the gender. When one is going to work and the other one stays at home, then this person has to clean the house. When both have a job, then both have to take care for the household.
I totally agree, thank you so much for being like how Ken should be
Men not ken
Yeah, haha, no problem, all men should be like you :)
If I ever get a relationship and we move in together, I prefer to divide the chores evenly or even do them together.
Thank you for being like you should
If she isn't working then yes she should do the cleaning, or most of it at least. If both are working then both should put in their fair share.
Presumably, a married couple should consist of two human adults. Barring illness, injury, or some other disability, the task of keeping a shared living space clean should be shared between the parties involved. It's part of being an adult.
Unless, of course, you have the money to pay someone else to do it.
I think men have a responsibility to be the main provider. That's not a negative "women can't do that", it's a positive "a wife should never have to". Taking care of the house is just the wife's share of the work within that context, given the husband is out working his ass off all day.
Then it should be shared.
My view is simply that it should be fair. So because I believe that the man bears the responsibility of having to step up to the plate and have a career, that leaves the woman with the work that he obviously cannot take care of, being absent from the house and all.
look that's all fine and good, but it doesn't match modern day life. Both men and women kind of just have work because of the economic environment. Unless you're fabulously wealthy, here in Aus it's impossible to get a house unless you've got at least two decent incomes. I think most women also just need the intellectual stimulation that work usually gives.
That's fine. I know I'm old-fashioned, I'm just explaining because there seems to be this perception that a traditional household structure sexist and unfair, and I wanted to say why I don't find that to be the case.
It's hard if you live in a city I'm sure, but where I'm from a single person income of 50-55k is enough to support a house, a wife, 2 cars and 6 kids. That's exactly my family situation, and it's quite comfortable. Sure, we can't go out to eat all of the time or see every movie while it's still in theaters, but it's nice
Eh it's not for me. About a week as a stay at housewife would drive me insane. I'd actually probably become very depressed. No wonder alcoholism and drug abuse was such a problem for housewives in the 50s.
Shit basic 1 room houses here are 1 million +. Most of the time they need renovations. You can get cheaper in the outer suburbs (around $750 k) but it's a significantly lesser quality of life and you need a car.
Holy crow that's expensive. That's probably double what houses are where I live.
If we had no kids and it was just me and my future wife we'd probably both have jobs, but maybe it's mean to men or whatever, but I feel she could quit at any time because it's simply not her responsibility. She could have one - I wouldn't expect her to just sit around at the house alone all day. I was thinking more in terms of a family
Your 19? Cuz you have 6 kids and 2 cars, what kind of job do you have? As a 19 year old, college isn't even over
I'm one if the 6 kids
My mother has been a stay at home mom since my oldest brother was a toddler, my father works fulltime and we grew up in a house that in the current market we could probably sell for 350k
Depends.
If she's a stay at home mom while the man is out working, yes.
Every other circumstance, no, it should he a split chore.
In the nature of women they are more apt to cleaning and cooking.
But the most important thing is treat that person as a person, not a slave.
When you do that, it will not matter if you cook or clean.
If you see your house needs to be cleaned, be adults and fuckin clean it. "Oh golly, my house is dirty. wait hold on.. gotta check my crotch to see if thats in my job description" 🤔🤔🤔 wtf?
I think it depends. Like when me and my wife would work the same amount we would split the chores up evenly. Now that we are older and I work triple the amount of hours she does I only think it's fair she maintain the house because I still cook and do my own laundry and help with the kids so I don't think I should have to keep house clean simply because I spend far more time at work than at home in order to support our family and cleaning house along with her schedule still grants her more personal time then me and so I think it's fair in that case. Just depends how evenly distributed everything else is in the relationship I suppose.
The simpilest answer to this question is just don't have a house, and both live eleswhere then there will be no debate or arguments.
@MysteriousDarkness Sure, she lives in her townhouse and you in your apartment. No cleaning arguments, solved.
Whoever has more time at home should be responsible for the housework.
If she works 40 hours, and he works 20, he can sweep and mop. The reason why women "should be" responsible is because, statistically, they spend more hours in the home, where as the man, statistically, spends more hours at work.
Women should clean as much as men, unless they both reach an agreement about housechores, one will do this and the other will do that.
IF the man works all day and she stays at home, yes, she should do the cleaning.
Each coupling should discuss household chores and who does what. The house is an equal job to be shared between them.
Split the burden depending on what you're good at. I prefer cleaning, so I clean. My boyfriend prefers cooking, so he cooks. It's all about that.
If she is not Working, clean the house. If Both Her and Hubby are Working, Share in the Chores.
If She is Single and Living Alone at Home, Do as you Want. xx
This poll makes me sad. Why not let men and women put in the same amount of effort and leave things flexible in case one person suddenly has to work more at work or something. It's a relationship, not a dictatorship
Is he paying for the house? Is he working more hours then her? Is he providing everything? If this is the case then yes, she should pitch in and clean the house. Women should not do what ever they want, no one should, that's how you get self centered people which drags every one else down.
Who says the guy is paying the house? And who says the guy works more?
In my house hold my mother pays for the house and works.
Both of my parents clean.
@RandomShowerThoughts I asked the question. The reason why I asked the question is because that actually matters. You cannot say its unfair for a woman to do the house work if she is a stay at home mother and he is working fifty or more hours a week, that would be utterly unfair to him. So it does matter what their contribution is and since almost every single relationship involves the man working more hours, working crappier jobs (because they pay more) and him paying for most if not everything, it is fair that the person who contributes the least contribute labor as a substitute. And before the inevitable argument of "well I know some one who works more then her boyfriend or pays for everything or. . . . " we all know that men do the majority of hard labor and the majority of the paying. That's why 80% of domestic spending is done by women not men even though more then half of the domestic earnings are produced by men not women. ITs because he gives his money to her.
@RandomShowerThoughts So, it matters and while no one said the guy is paying, in almost every case the guy is paying which a lot of unappricative self entitled women like to completely ignore because they have been raised in a society that does everything it can to raise women up on the highest pedestal they can find while simultaneously trying to crush men as deep into the mud as they can. The fact is women are not victims, their is a reason why women are expected to contribute, because he is generally doing EVERYTHING ELSE. Now, if that is not the case, if she is the one doing the say construction job and he is doing a cushy easy low paying job, then by all means have him do all the cooking and cleaning, that's fair. But that is not generally how this works so until women start taking jobs that are harder and pay more and work more hours and be the primary bill payer then yes she should be the one contributing labor to compensate.
I don’t get when people claim things like this to be unfair. I mean, yeah, it sounds pretty unfair to me too and I wouldn’t be up for it if I was the one working 50 hours a week. But what I think doesn’t matter, if the couple is happy with it. I used to know a family once where all the man did was stay at home and take care of the baby while the woman, as a surgeon, did all the working AND cleaning when she came home. This left the man to do nothing daily but to take care of the baby and occasionally cook. But you know what? Both were okay with it. Who is anyone to step in and go “that’s unfair!” to anyone about their personal choices.
@maiave I'm not saying that it is unfair. What I am saying is unfair is that if one party is doing the majority of the work and expects the other to do more, claiming that this is not right and that (in this case the woman) has the right to sit around doing nothing while benefiting from the hard work of their partner, that is unfair. That is called being a parasite. If both parties are fine with the setup then that's one thing, but if they are not then yes the person who is contributing less should then contribute labor in the form of cooking and cleaning.
They can do what they want. But if we live together, both needs to contribute.
i wash, my boyfriend dries and puts away :)
Relationship goals right there
The main question is... Who cleans the bathroom and toilet?
we take turns
but then again were not dirty people so there's not much to clean :)
u kno and i never even ask him to he always offers
Nice! he's a keeper
yeah when u said relationship goals.. u hella made me appreciate and realize what a wonderful guy i have.. hehe thank you :)
She can clean if she wants but that won't stop me from re-cleaning my way when she's in the shower.
women should do what they want but like personally i want to be a stay at home mom that does all the cooking and cleaning. i just feel like it’s a nice thing to do for your husband and he can work (for all feminists out there i’m not saying yo have to GIVE your husband anything i just personally would want to do that as a gift and in return i wouldn’t have to work)
I dont see why both people in the relationship can't clean the house?
I clean a lot but I do it for myself if it bothers him that much he can do it
No, not only ones. Both genders should equally contribute. But it's upto couples how they prefer
I agree, thank you
whoever has the time. Can take turns, too. The guys that say this is "demasculating" or w. e are pussies.
I think it depends, if one works and earns the money the other should do the cleaning and housework etc. Gender doesn't matter, but if they both work then you both share the responsibility, although if one works more than the other then obviously I think the one who works less should do a bit more around the house, but the gender of the person doesn't matter
No it should be shared however a woman who does not clean because she wants to rebel is just as dumb as men who want only women to clean :p
They both live there so they both should care how the apartment looks 💁🏻😄
If you're both paying for house you should both be cleaning it, simple.
Men should be able to also clean their house if they're living there.
How about who ever earns the least money does more chores. Seems fair to me. Fuck if my future wife earns more ill stay home and raise the kids. Sounds like a glorious escape in my opinion
They can if they want and guys should chip too help out it’s a good thing to learn if you start living on your own.
Both should do houshold (washing, cleaning, cooking, ironing, etc)
It should be of both people in the relationship to take care of your shared home.
Bruh if a guy doesn't want to clean his house he's just plain lazy. I know men who work 12 hour days min and still come home to help their wives control the house holds.
I have faith that there are some couples left who can organize this among themselves. Those people count.
The house work should be split up equally between the family members in the household!
Where’s the option for whoever feels like cleaning can clean? No one person has to do it all.
I thinj everyone in the house should help a little.
I started helping when I was 12 or something, washing some stuff, vacuum the floor, clean the toilet.
Make dinner.
I think chorse like that should be shared or take turns.
Nooooo, men should clean the house, cook and do washing, ironing... And good massage :)
Encourage her to do whatever the hell she wants and what she thinks is right. If its not up to par with your expectations, or she's just not pulling her own weight, get rid of her.
Its not right to force her or punish her. If she doesn't have her head screwed on straight, there's no need to keep her around. On to the next one
Women should clean and work. Men too. Who said that both genders are free from the responsibility of keeping their living quarters clean? Lol.
I am a clean freek. I clean my apartment daily. If you make a mess clean it up or i will daily.
I will be a house husband which means I will do most of the cleaning while my future wife has a career
In my opinion if he is working and she is not then yes but if she is working and he's not then he should clean and uf both work both should clean
Um I believe if they are together and both live there, both of their asses should clean it.
No way. It should be shared. I hate cleaning up for someone else.
The only issue I have is when a woman is a stay-at-home and still thinks chores should be shared. My ex's mom was like this, and she'd complain her husband didn't help around the house even though he was at work over 40 hours a week.
The person or people who use the house the most should be the ones cleaning. That goes for everyone involved.
No both of them should work together... yeah if the woman stays home then tidy up a little bit...
The person who doesn't have a job, if both have, both share
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