Yea and lol that’s not why they make y’all pay to go in. Y’all know girls are in there cause we get in for free. This attracts more guys to the club.
That night in Nice should have been a reality check for your beliefs. Instead of correcting them to agree with reality, as a rational person would do, you just made excuses. Now give me an example when a woman is similarly discriminated against in the West. You can't.
That is so not true
Maybe 15 years ago but nowadays women avoid guys like that like the plague.
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Did I specifically say just the USA?🤔
No? I answered from an American perspective because I’m American and your question was “socially”. The question would be nonsensical if you were talking across the entire world because in many countries women aren’t even legally equal.
So then I don’t know why you are only talking about the USA. I like how you assumed I’m from America too. Or maybe you didn’t know people on GAG are from different countries.
Where did I make any insinuation about your country of origin? You’re reading into my comment things that simply aren’t there. If you wanted to know whether or not women are socially equal to men in Saudi Arabia then you should have specified. As you did not specify I specified in my response that I was talking about America.
That’s not us being ranked higher. Usually, men are able to protect women better than the other way around. That’s how it was from before anyway, as guys were trained in combat while women were forced in the house. The usual aggressors are men themselves anyway. True or false? So why would you have women and children fighting them?
That is most certainly you being ranked higher. If it was about capability, then males who couldn't fight would also be taken out of the hostage situation first, no? Why aren't they? Because women and children rank higher in importance.We see the same thing in nature. You're not allowed to hunt female mudcrabs or deer during certain times. Do you know why? Because females are extremely important to population. Humans have that instinct, as well. We want to preserve females more than males; hence, females have higher social value. This has also been seen by sociologists. The "women are wonderful effect", which is a type of "benevolent sexism", where we ascribe higher value to women, while also thinking better of women.I'm not sure what you're saying with that last part. I stated I would *not* expect women to fight in wars.
No it isn’t. Women were known as second class citizens back then and these same rules still applied. You can’t just forget about that.
I haven't forgotten about that. Do you know what human civilization was like for 100,000 years? It was kill or be killed. Life was brutal and hard. And women were the foundation to our species surviving. That meant, men were responsible for literally everything except for childrearing and nurturing. For 100,000 years and brutal fighting and hunting and building society. The Industrial Revolution flipped nature on its head. Are you really surprised that society wanted to keep men as the responsible ones, and continue that 100,000 year old tradition? That was the state of things since forever. Males provide/protect; females raise kids. So of course it took some time to change.Women were considered to be much more valuable than men, even back then; but, not as capable. The restrictions placed on women were an attempt to enforce those natural gender roles, an extension of *protection* of both women and children. A woman's job for 100,000 years was raising children.
If women were so valuable as you say they wouldn’t have been beaten all the time to the point where a white tank top was called a wife beater. Women weren’t so confined in roles as you say they were. They did more than just raise children. They scrounged for food and skin the animals the men brought home. They also helped a lot with the house, no excuse me, they did most of the house work. The industrial revolution flipped the switch where women started working men weren’t kept as the responsible ones where are you getting that crap? If that was the case women wouldn’t be business owners and we wouldn’t be in labor jobs right now.
You've got so many holes there, I don't know where to start. How about we stick with modern times? With provable, observable things.I'll make my point very easy to understand. A 150 pound man and a 130 pound woman are in public. The man punches the woman. How would the people around them respond? I imagine you're going to claim the only reason people would get really pissed off and aggressive towards the guy is because women are just naturally weaker, so:A 250 pound strong man and a 150 pound man are in public. The 250 pound man hits the 150 pound man. How would the public respond? Worse or better than the woman being punched?When you hear each of these stories, which do you feel more pain over?These both actually happened, by the way.1: A wife cuts her husband's penis off and throws it down the disposal.2: A husband sawed his wives breasts off, then threw them to the dogs.Which sounds worse, to you? Which do you think society would get more upset over?
There was no holes there, that’s why you can’t start. Those comparisons are not good. Obviously people generally men would respond more aggressively to the guy hitting the girl as he threw the first hit and duh guys are naturally stronger. The same thing would happen with the men, but there will be less guys being aggressive towards him, as he is a guy himself. N yes OMG believe it or not society would be mad at both People because they are both crazy.
Okay. I give up. You are clearly very delusional and strongly attached to your ideas, so nothing I say will mean anything to you; and, even if I brought you 100% facts, you would still twist them into your own perspective and believe what you want to believe is true. You're also really young, and don't have a very developed frontal lobe, so I won't waste any more time trying to appeal to your logic, because you think more emotionally than logically.Figured I'd give it a shot and see if you were capable of understanding, but I don't think you are quite yet, if you can't even understand that society cares more about women being hurt than men being hurt. This is really basic stuff, honestly. Remember the Titanic? "Women and children first"? Why was it that they let the women escape with the children to survive, if women were not valued more than the men? Where did that phrase even come from, if men were valued more?Anyways, I'm outie. No hard feelings. Best wishes to you.
No I just don’t take in false info. Good bye.
Well that’s just not true. N So it’s the same way everywhere?
Not in eastern countries.Women have clear disadvantages there.I though you would assume I was talking about the west.In the west it is true, I have seen plenty of women ask for men to pay the first date but still act like a modern independent woman.Not all women do this but a noticeable amount.
So then why are you only talking about the USA? N no women do that in the West that can take advantage of those men because of their looks. Those are the type of men that only care about the girl’s looks, so I don’t care about how they are treated. They still want to be with her.
The guys like that are bad.In Europe it's much less common to get guys of that type.However double standards are worse in my opinion.You can be a terrible person but if you hold up to your morals it's at least a bit credible.If you chop and change to what suits you, you are selfish and I will give you no respect.
No it’s not. In Europe women don’t have equal rights either.
Tell me a right a woman doesn't have that a man does in Europe.
🤔🤔If it’s a hot guy it will get views. If it’s a hot girl it will get views. That’s how the world is.
That's just one example. Video or not, what I'm saying is women get lots of attention.
We do get a lot of attention from guys, that attention isn’t always positive. You know that right?
What do you mean by positive attention? Unless you mean doing something they don't like?
What do you think? What is the negative attention women receive from men? Do lots of men not view us as just sex objects? They haven’t disappeared.
Well, how to you think men feel when women view them as money objects? What you're saying here sounds like feminism and feminism is poison. First of all, how do you know those guys are looking at them in a sexual way? Secondly, even if they were, it's because she's attractive and they'd have to feel that there was deeper potential in her other than just sex. Most guys aren't the way feminist say that are and that's just fact. But the ones that are are the ones even us guys don't like because they ruin good women and potential for good men.
Did you really just try to compare that? 💀💀 are men raped and sexually assaulted because of their money? Feminism is great, but that wasn’t what we were talking about. Stop bringing it up with false claims. Now you know, that a girl doesn’t have to be attractive for a guy to have sex with her. At 54? Yea you know this. Barely is good enough for a lot of guys.
Feminist are right, there is a rape culture, however it's men that are getting raped by courts that steal their children and put them in jail when they don't have enough to pay child support. So yes men get raped for their money, the statistics prove this, feminism cause this and it's not false claims it's why men and boys too are turning way from women girls, that's what MGTOW is all about, MGTOW is a response to feminism. That said those that are willing to sleep around with any girl that they are not attracted to have some mental issues I guarantee you that. They are selfish narcissist that go around ruining it for decent guys, they are trash to sum it out. They exist and they aren't most guys. Yes I'm 54 and I can guarantee you I have never been attracted to any girl in a sexual manner unless she was attractive all the way around to begin with, I promise you that.
No they aren’t getting “raped for their money” that doesn’t even make sense. You are obviously in lala land? Wtf is MGTOW? Sounds gay. Most guys will sleep with a girl who is Average looking if she offered. If y’all disliked her and she offered to have sex with y’all most of y’all would have sex with her 🤣🚮 I even did a poll on it. Don’t deny these facts.
Wrong, I've had several try to get me in bed with them, one that lives at the end of my block. One that lived on the other side of me and at least 4 when I lived in the town that I use to live in. I have several trust me and I turned them all down. I haven't been with not a single person in over 32 years as of this past summer. I'm sure your poll is biased due to so many guys trying to please girls on this site. If they think the guys think they're pleasing you they will change their answers. And that was brought up on this site too a couple of days ago by a girl. And I can hand you the statistics that show you men are getting financially raped if you like. This is just one example right here.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWMYWHz5r0I
Not while you’re 54. N how would they be pleasing us with poll answers? They answered honestly. Why are you denying the truth? Most men don’t care about personality when it comes to sex.
Personality for attraction? I mean who are you kidding? This feminism hypocrisy at it's highest. Do you think these girls or women that get carried away just like those guys you're referring to do, and I've seen it and I know you have too, what are they attracting to when they haven't even met much less know someone? Can't be personality can it when they don't even know them? And I've been handing you facts, what does 54 have to do with it?
Can you stop sucking feminism off? Dang I know you love feminist but that’s not what this is about nor am I one. You’re too ignorant to talk to.
Men have hit women for over 100 years and it was okay. We were viewed as property.
I'm talking about in general, like if something happens in public, like a situation where you have to defend yourself. I don't think it's okay to use violence because you disagree with someone's view or your SO disobey's you or even cheats on you - this goes for both genders.
If a woman has to defend herself it would be fine for her to use violence. N if your partner cheats and they grab you so you don’t go away like a lot of guys do then it is fine to use violence to make them let go of you.
Of course it's okay for people to use violence to defend themselves, not just women, but men too. I agree with the last point too, but I was referring to someone beating their SO up for cheating on them, not acceptable. If they're only grabbing onto you, then I do think one should try pulling or pushing them off, without going over the top, unless the partner takes it further.
Yea you’re right. However males have to be careful when they are defending themselves with violence against women, as that will be jail time for them, and I know a lot of men how don’t care if the girl hits first, they still think the guy shouldn’t hit back, which I don’t agree with.
Well, it's good that you don't agree with that idiotic double standard. Good point about guys needing to be careful too, for the sake of avoiding jail, I have heard some guys say they either wouldn't hit a woman back or at least not that hard, just for that reason.
I wonder how it is... to live in such a backwards world as yours.
Maybe like 10 years ago girls were still slut shamed. They aren’t anymore.
We’re fine lol, what does that have to do with the question? Are you getting mad because maybe we aren’t?
If you were fine I doubt you'd be here talking about what happened to women decades before you were even born.And there's not much point in answering the question when it's obviously just you looking for an excuse to rant about something.
It’s happening now but you can stay in denial I don’t care about your mental health.
Men hitting women is being seen as ok right now?And good, cause you should definitely care more about yours. Start with your daddy issues.
This is what you get for skimming through other peoples responses. You don’t even know what we are talking about. Wait a minute, this is the same guy who thinks guys have a say in abortions. Anybody would be wasting their time talking to you about issues in the world.
See, knew you had daddy issues from the start. Wouldn't be surprised if this is your alternate account to cry about men.Cute how it makes you mad that men have a say in legal issues lol.
No daddy issues over here I don't know why you keep saying that you must be a fruit. N y’all don’t lol that’s why abortions are still legal. Choke on that.
I keep saying it cause you have severe daddy issues and lying about it online isn't going to help. You should try texting him asking what's up with him.And we do, the fact that we do is the reason that abortions are legal in the first place lol. Educate yourself.Imagine men having power making you this mad.
What?🤔 You sound dumb. You men will never have a say on women’s bodies. Women trap rich guys all the time? You don’t think those guys wanted the girl to get an abortion dumbass? N the women still didn’t get one. That child support can last a woman her whole life.
"You sound dumb" Coming from the uneducated little girl with daddy issues who's obsessed with gender issues cause you never had a healthy male role model. Sit down you little kid.And men literally do have a say in women's bodies, just like women have a say in men's bodies. That's literally how democracy works you dumbass. If there was a vote on whether or not circumcision should be criminalized, do you think they would stop congress women from voting? No they wouldn't. Just like they wouldn't stop congress men from voting on abortion.You are a little child who has no idea how things work in the real world, either way go connect with your father. He's the one and only father you will ever have so try to make it count.
That’s how you know you lost the battle. You keep repeating crap 😂😂 men will never have any jurisdiction over women’s bodies. Sorry ✌️✌️
Again you have nothing intelligent to say so you just keep whining. Imagine being so mad about men holding power. Fix your daddy issues.
Ha ha HA! This guy is such a loser! Clearly his parents abandoned him so he writes 50 paragraphs like these about women online than get's his twinky feelings hirt when he is rejected! Lol did your father tell you you are too ugly to be loved! Is it that 'I'm having a stroke' lips of yours? Or your oversized camel toe?
He did the exact same thing with me! Fantasist loser.
Twinky little sissy! That's what you remind me of! A little whipped sissy. CLIT BOY. 😂😂
What a stupid example.
Awesome argumentation from you.
There’s nothing to argue about this, it’s a dumb example that doesn’t add up.
Yeah. Right.If guy goes to dating site, he is not getting offers. Average guy. Average girls will get them. So…here we are.If girl is depressed or something, everyone cares. If guy is, nobody gives a shit.Society is focused on female sexuality. Guys hare here to fuck when asked to. Sure, they want more.If a women rapes, nobody cares. If guy rapes, kill him. Just don't even…just kill him.But sure, we're equal in society. Yeah. What a load of BS.
You don’t know what you’re talking about 🤷♀️ stay ignorant.
Yeah, I don't. It's not like we see those stories all the time or experience them ourselves.But again, I like your arguments.
Funny how you say that but I see men gossiping the same amount women do.
Yeah modern men are feminine because masculinity is toxic, I guess women decided it was better to talk behind people’s back than settle your differences with a fight.
Oh shoot, a lot of them really are.
Don’t worry the next world war should turn men back to normal
You do know that there are feminine/gay men in the army right?
They’re mostly in the navy lol
I can tell you are very ignorant so there’s no reason to go back and forth with you.
Advantages? They dont have to work hazardous jobs like menThey have a much higher chance of winning a child custody just for being a womanThey are much more well off and have a much high graduation rate than men in high schoolThats just three off the top of my headWhat do you consider some disadvantages?
No one has to but men and women still do “hazardous jobs”. N it’s not our fault we graduate more than y’all we study and pay attention more well that’s what statistics say anyway, that’s not an advantage. Unless you are trying to say we are smarter than you guys. N tell me which sex has a natural knack for children? Single mothers take better care of their kids then single fathers. We have a lot of disadvantages which I will name later.
Dont even try to argue the hazardous job thing please. It like trying to argue that water isn't made from h2oWomen do better in schools because the way the school system is set up statistically suits women more who typically are more observant than menAnd you are saying that because one gender is more nurturing than the other that we should ignore other things when determining custody?
That’s a bunch of bs.
How?Tell me what jobs you think women have that are more dangerous than the jobs men have 😂The school thing sounds silly but is actually trueAnd the court thing is undeniable women go in with an advantage in cases regarding kids
So you would rather stay with social disadvantages correct?
and what are they? wanting to sleep around like guys can?
Wanting? We do. N there’s lots of em that I can’t name right now. I will later, but I’m sure you know them.
Appearances? No way. Women always have to be thin or curvy or have long hair or have a gap between their legs. What pressure do guys receive to fix their appearance? Y’all are mostly told that if you get rich you can pull a girl right or wrong?
No were expected to have abs and be tall
Says who? Yea a lot of women do like taller guys but that’s just their preference. N we still have more requirements that should be met in appearance than y’all.
More dosen't mean harder, it's way more difficult to get abs then it is to just not be too fat or too thin
It does. N no it’s not.
Yes it is, do you have any idea how hard it is to have both low body fat and strong muscle in comparison to just being within the range of normality?
It’s not that hard, it shouldn’t be for a male. I am a female and it is easy for me to get/keep abs.
So you think every man should have to spend all his time working out and eating healthy but you think that us simply asking you to look normal is too hard when you can sit on your ass and eat whatever you want (to an extent) and be within the normal range
It’s not that hard to get abs and muscles you sound straight up lazy.
Yes it is that's why most people don't have them, I doubt that a 16 year old girl has abs and if you do you probably starved for them and they aren't even worth having
If you ask me it isn't at all hard to not be too ugly if you groom yourself, have proper hygiene and aren't obese or anorexic level skinny, you sound straight up like a psychopath who wants to run other people's lives and if you hold this belief that women are judged so hard, chances are we aren't not choosing you because of your looks, you seem like you need some help with that personality of yours
A lot of guys have them. At 16. You’re weak 🤣🚮.