Is It Offensive For The Irish Flag To Be Flown Outside An Irish County Hall?

[ladsin]

https://www.buzz.ie/politics/fingal-councillor-siad-flying-tricolour-offend-foreign-nationals-263174

Yes, it's obviously offensive you racist bigot.

No... That's absurd. It's Ireland.

What sort of dystopia is this?

Other

A total of 73 votes were cast: 20 girls and 53 guys. See detailed results

[N192K001]

No, so long as the proper protocol is used.

Flag protocols differ. Mine are the "Flag and Heraldic Code of the Philippines" (Republic Act 8491) and the "United States Flag Code" in Chapter 1 of Title 4 of the United States Code (4 U. S. C. § 1 et seq).
www.officialgazette.gov.ph/.../
www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/4/chapter-1

Ireland, the country in question, has general guidelines by the Department of the Taoiseach, who is the Presidential-appointed prime minister, chief executive and head of government.
www.taoiseach.gov.ie/.../
The "The National Flag" . pdf-formatted file has all the details.

While here are similarities in the protocols, using the wrong protocol on the wrong flag would cause legal violations, misunderstandings, and offense. So long as the correct protocols are observed properly (especially by the nation's own citizens inside the country of interest's borders), there should be no problem.

Foreigners must respect the country that has so graciously allowed them residence and its citizens. If they want to fly their flags as well while within their country of residence (C. O. R.), their flag must be flown with the C. O. R.'s flag, too, and in accordance to the C. O. R.'s protocol, not their own. It's part of basic respect, manners, gratitude, mutual-benevolence, and altruism.

[ladsin]

Haha I don’t think the issue was over whether or not flag protocols were being followed 😂

[N192K001]

I know. For me, if the flag protocols were followed, there should be no issue. Offense "suffered" regardless is even more ridiculous to me.

[N192K001]

… especially if it's offense at a flag, whose nation the foreign viewer formally allowed to enter by the government and people.

[ladsin]

Mm thanks

[Cammy137]

I feel like if you go to another country, one of the things you should prepare yourself for is seeing their flag being displayed. If that's something that is going to offend you and cause you to feel unwelcome then perhaps staying in your home country is the best option.
I hate this idea that if something isn't representing a minority group then it's automatically evil.

[ladsin]

B-b-but Project Ireland 2040...

[DublinRollerGirl]

I think this is one idiot that shouldn't be re-elected. When you can't fly your own country's flag in your own country? I think it should be the opposite, all these immigrants should not fly their old country's flag. You are in Ireland now, not Nigeria. If you loved your country so much why are you here. Go back there and let us fly our flag.

[Danxsarah]

Amen sista

[FatherJack]

We all know why they are in Ireland and other European countries... and it ain't for the weather !!

[rachel776]

as long as there's an American flag flying next to it, it's fine. The American flag should be higher than the Irish flag in the U. S.

[ladsin]

What? Why should Ireland fly the American flag? Did we finally begin our conquest again?

[jimyee]

She didn't understand that it was in Ireland, she thought it was in america.

[ladsin]

@jimyee Don't defend her. I was having fun being an ass about it.

[jimyee]

Lol, my bad. You can still give her shit about her reading comprehension.

[DublinRollerGirl]

Agreed, the same for any other flag including State Flags.

[DublinRollerGirl]

He was talking about flags in the US.

[ladsin]

@DublinRollerGirl what? The flag is in Ireland. How was this not clear. It’s about an Irish government building flying an Irish flag. Their politician said it was offensive to foreigners.

[DublinRollerGirl]

I'm referring to your answer to rachel776. I know what you are talking about.

[Q-tip-boy]

Americans always have this mentality. It's sick when they ask for respect.

[ladsin]

@Q-tip-boy respect me

[Q-tip-boy]

Do something respectable.

[ladsin]

@Q-tip-boy back to back world champs baby

[Q-tip-boy]

I don't think that's true

[ladsin]

@Q-tip-boy

[jimyee]

Lol🤣🤣🤣. Well played.

[Q-tip-boy]

Oh! I can't respect someone for fighting useless wars

[jimyee]

... I'm pretty sure that neither of those wars were "useless".

[Q-tip-boy]

The reasons behind the ears were useless..
Outcomes are different for different countries. It depends on perceptions.

[jimyee]

I'm pretty sure that is the definition of every war ever. One party wanted something and tried to take it by force. They could certainly have been in the wrong, and if they were, that means the defending party woukd be in the right and no longer would that be a "useless" war.

[Q-tip-boy]

Oh.. I guess. I was wrong.

[ladsin]

@Q-tip-boy 2 of the most destructive wars in the modern era (last few centuries) are pointless XD
Especially considering America has only been around for a little more than 2 centuries.

[madhatters4]

i don't understand where you fly the flag if not outside your government buildings

[ladsin]

Nowhere, DOWN WITH THE WEST!

[Q-tip-boy]

Why outside? Why not inside?

Ain't it disrespectful if your teacher asks you to leave the class and stand outside the classroom?

I think , it should be flown both inside and outside.

[madhatters4]

@Q-tip-boy i don't quite understand the correlation to a truant student. the flag didn't do anything wrong.

[JimRSmith]

Better dead than red, BUT...

A not insignificant number of people see the Irish tricolour as a sectarian symbol.

Clearly, in this instance, it wasn't, but it isn't the uncontroversial national symbol that most national flags are, at least not to everybody...

[ladsin]

Óró, sé do bheatha bhaile óglaigh armtha!

[ladsin]

Remember that we have people burning the American flag here in America because the US is such an oppressive and hateful country.

[JimRSmith]

What does all of that gobbledygook mean, then?

[ladsin]

Bollocks means testicles, but it's more an expression of contempt. It's basically synonymous with "nonsense" in colloquial usage.
The last bit is old Gaelic for " Oh-ro, welcome home armed warriors."

[JimRSmith]

I don't read Gaelic. The bollocks I got.

What part of what I said do you believe to be bollocks, then?

[ladsin]

"it isn't the uncontroversial national symbol that most national flags are" I'm not really aware of any western national symbol that hasn't come under criticism and scrutiny in the past few decades. That's why I pointed to the American flag as an example.

I don't read Gaelic either. It comes from an old Irish rebel song.

[JimRSmith]

I don't think we're talking about the same thing, although we possibly are?

The tricolour is seen as representative only of the nationalist Catholic community, in some parts of the world.

I don't believe I've heard that certain parts of the US regard the Stars and Stripes as not representative of them (are there confederate die-hards who might feel that way, perhaps)? I've always assumed that people who burn the US flag are protesting against American policy, and not the nature of the flag itself?

[ladsin]

The argument is that America is a racist nation and the flag is a symbol of oppression and racism and they'll not respect it as such.
I don't think it's incredibly different from the Irish flag debacle. Most people who fly the Confederate battle flag (in my experience) are die-hard nationalists. They like to fly both flags.

[Waffles731]

That's what I've noticed too, they fly both the Confederate flag and the American flag without a trace of shame not irony.
Its like a complete lack of self awareness

[ladsin]

@Waffles731 I don’t think that shame makes that much sense. Irony perhaps.

[Waffles731]

I don't know flying a traitors flag, traitors who literally became traitors because they wanted to keep a whole race of people as slaves is pretty disgusting and like something that southerners should treat how Germans treat nazi German

[ladsin]

@Waffles731 the flag today has a different meaning than it did back then. I’ve seen more black people fly the confederate battle flag than I could count (I am southern though so it’s not that high 😂) and there are whole groups like “black sons of confederate veterans” which for me kind of makes the “racist” card moot. If, for example, a bunch of Jews started flying the Nazi flag I’d presume they’re doing it for some reason other than that they promote the genocide of Jews. I’m a big America guy, so if there is one aspect to it I’d agree with itd be on the treasonous issue, but I also understand that people aren’t necessarily celebrating that aspect, but to each their own.

[Waffles731]

And now with this talk of the Irish and the Civil War I feel the need to put this song about about The 69th New York one of The Irish Brigades.
https://youtu.be/eWvdf_51Iq0

[ladsin]

@Waffles731 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bzXswoAUi0U
Better one

[TadCurious]

That guy who opposes the Irish flag being displayed (but would want the Marxist flag or LGBTQAI++++ flag to be displayed instead) is a cuck. He is a perfect example of the kind of spineless wimp that will be the downfall of Europe.

[ladsin]

Have you seen project Ireland 2040? Fucking bollocks.

[TadCurious]

I hadn't heard of it but I just looked it up. These are the kinds of plans the elites have for demographically transforming Western countries into hellholes.

[ladsin]

I thought the British were the worst people in Ireland, but it turns out it’s their own politicians 😡

[Crocuta_Hyaenidae]

I have a proposition

From now on, anyone who claims offense at the nationalist pride of the nation they choose to move to gets taken to the border, put in a big hamster ball, and trebuchet-ed in the general direction of their country of origin.

Hyena for prez 2020

[monkeynutts]

If I go to Ireland, I expect to see the Irish flag flown proudly, and high in the sky.

[ladsin]

I want a couple f-16s flying overhead carpeting the sky with a green white and orange trail.

[monkeynutts]

I also want to find a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow.

[ladsin]

There is that.

[DublinRollerGirl]

Sorry, I already got that with some help from a Leprechaun.

[jimyee]

That's pretty dumb. I don't know how flying thge country's own flag could ever offended foreigners, and if it does they should go home.

[MarketData]

Not to me. But I notice that in England we don't fly the Union Jack any more. I don't know why, it just seemed to disappear overnight. So maybe it was offensive to our foreign overlords?

[ladsin]

Really? Was that a policy change or what?

[MarketData]

No idea. Like I say one minute it was there, next minute it wasn't. Probably happened when we had a Labour council.

[ladsin]

Strange I couldn't find anything about it.

[MarketData]

Maybe I'm wrong. I will look at our Town Hall and see what they are flying.

[zagor]

So the decision to fly the flag passed 34-2. There is a turd in every punchbowl; that guy deserves to be ignored.

[ladsin]

Sure. I was just seeing what other people thought I mean the guy is an elected representative if I understand correctly.

[zagor]

Yes, but of some municipality.

[ladsin]

Was it not the same fellow in charge of Project Ireland 2040? I'll have to look it up again.

[Waffles731]

There is a joke about the IRA there I'm sure I just can't quite grasp it

[ladsin]

Get out ye black and tans!
*Stares in Freedom*

[Waffles731]

Come and fight me like a man, show your wife how you won medals down in flanders

[ladsin]

“muna mbeam beo ina dhiaidh ach seachtain
Gráinne Mhaol agus míle gaiscíoch
ag fógairt fáin ar Ghallaibh. Oh-ro, oh-ro”

[Raven_76]

Man what the fuck is wrong with the World these days... what the fuck.

[Ecco939]

When was it that we started caring so much about what others think and whether or not they are offended. I've heard some people say that and you would think that just committed the most vile taboo.

[YHL6965]

Flying a flag in your country or in a place representing your country (like an embassy) is perfectly fine. Flying your flag in another country is not fine.

[NYCQuestions1976]

So now people don't want countries flying their own flag on their own soil? Yeah right. How stupid.

[Danxsarah]

I fly my flag dont care where I am everyone can do it why not me :)

[ladsin]

What?

[Danxsarah]

I walk around my city and see all these different flags and no Canadians g
Flags so I fly my flag which is Canadian

[malegender]

since the Irish don't fly planes inot American building or threaten to kill infidels or collect welfare at a disproportionate rate it is no big deal. if they were a "problem" race then I would take offense.

[geminiboner]

@ladsin if you are Ireland I don't understand what the hell is problem, I mean of it's international building in Ireland, but a county hall...😆😆🤨 That's absurd, be Irish be happy!

[ladsin]

I’m American but of Irish descent. An Irish politician said that he thought flying the Irish flag in front of an Irish government building would be offensive to foreign immigrants.

[geminiboner]

Not to me dumbass

[ladsin]

Such a strange fellow

[geminiboner]

God forbid you don't have a sign to remind you where you are, kind of like the restrooms plaques.

[ladsin]

What?

[RedThread]

I wouldn't be offended having it fly anywhere.

[Matt57]

If they don't like it, fuck 'em! Fly the flag.

[BellumEtPacem]

No. It's not offensive.

[LegateLanius]

Has everywhere gone more bonkers?

[Kemil_Zhoki]

SJW's seriously need to go fuck off.

[name_is_eric]

Liberalism has hit a new level.

[ladsin]

Eh... progressivism.

[name_is_eric]

Same thing, is it not?

[ladsin]

Depends on how you define it. I’m classically liberal (pretty libertarian) so I take some exception to it being called liberalism 😂

[murdanyc916]

its ireland!

[Anonymous]

Absolutely not.

[Stripes99]

Wtf.

[Stripes99]

Why can’t we all just live our libvs without caring so much about what people are thinking.

[Stripes99]

Lives*