Children (girls) are force fed to gain weight to prepare them for marriage. Being fat is seen as desirable and beautiful on women because that's a sign of wealth and a generous husband that provide good food. Being slim for women are associated with being poor and starving. For men however it's not attractive to be fat. Men are supposed to be fit or muscular. That means they're hardworking, strong and a good provider ready to fight for the wealth. Slim and fit women often stays single. Do this say anything about the Western world? Did this surprise you? Is it similar to our [e. g. Western] beauty goals? Tell me what you think of this.
#FatCamp#FatIsBeautiful in Mauritania #BeautyStandards Mother punishing the daughter to make her eat. Many parents also beats their children if they don't eat all the time.How women wants to look in Mauritania. She's considered Mauritania's version of "Angelie Jolie".
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Young Girls Force-Fed For Marriage In Mauritania, Thoughts?
Wow... I have so many words for that, but I think the narrator said it best: "This seems like child abuse, but there are no laws to prevent it"
To start, yes it is just as dangerous to view obesity as beautiful as anorexia. In the beginning the girls are a healthy weight according to height and age. The mothers admit doctors tell them force-feeding their children causes health complications such as diabetes, heart disease, and kidney failure. No matter what way you look at it, their beauty standard is unhealthy
I don't mind the part about the magazine. I think it's perfectly acceptable to not think Gigi Hadid is beautiful, but the mentality behimd it is a little off. I have a similar body type as Kim Kardashian, but her use of waist trainers and tape is excessive
Those poor girls are so young and impressionable. I honestly think it's worse to force them to marry so young than to force-feed them for it. The girl even says she wants to be fat, but says she doesn't want to get married. It's clear her basic human rights are being violated, but that it's culturally acceptable and the norm. But forcing the 10 year olds to throw up so they can keep eating is absolutely awful
Obviously the worst part is near the end when they talk about the medications women use to make themselves fat. Prednisone is a steroid I and many women I know have used for medicinal purposes, but disliked that it caused us to gain weight. The horrible tragedy of the one girl dying from taking medication to make her fat is similar to women taking parasites to make them thin, but it's beyond my comprehension for her sister to take the same medication afterwards
I always knew other countries had different beauty standards, but this opened my eyes to how dangerous they can be
Makes me wonder which is better. Being starved to death or being fed to be married to a "better future" If we look at history, women/girls have suffered greatly for the sake of "beauty" neck ring, lip dish, foot binding, super skinny, in this case force-fed to look healthy. i dont understand these but, I am sure there are worse. What can we do about it?
Good point! Actually some guys nowadays pump their bodies full of anabolic steroids to gain muscles. So men can also do all this crazy stuffs in the name of "beauty".
All it means is that society has done a poor job on differentiating between stupid people and not stupid people. This is like religion all over again. The masses take a oversimplified notion out of context and go bonkers with it. Sure, there's tbose connections, doesn't mean you have to be bloated like a hippo to be attractice, which is what people come to the conclusion of. So it's not about an overarching culture, culture is measured by the sophistications of a national body. It's more that there's lots of dumb people out there.
Well, it could go through some critical rigamarole but I think it would come out with more truth than fiction.
But Im happy to stand out. Uniformity is a cancer in my opinion. Not much a fan of anyone that says easy things to say, but you know the unpopular opinionated guy has some balls. Doesn't mean unpopular opinions are true, but there's fundamentally something wrong with the popular mind.
Isn't the beauty thing there similar to the Western world although the Western world has less forcing? I mean, in the Western world people tries to be slim and in this country people tries to be fat. People are often not happy with the way they looks and has a beauty standard. Eating disorders exists in the West too.
Oh come on. Forcefully feeding someone is not the same as people choosing to be skinny. Let alone the fact that girls in Mauritania are usually around 13-14 when they marry and they usually can't choose their husband (and their husband usually tends to be twenty or thirty years older than them).
It’s similar to Western beauty standards in the sense that both cultures have pressures to look a certain way. Here the ideal is to be slim, there the ideal is to be fat. However, there is an incredible difference in the severity of these pressures and in how much they actually affect people. Here, some girls will starve themselves or go through a bunch of plastic surgery to meet beauty standards, but they choose to do that. Nobody forces them to, and there are people that would find them attractive even if they didn’t do it, because a lot of people’s opinions and preferences vary, and they deviate from the ideal standard of beauty. There, slim girls don’t get married because they aren’t able to find a husband that thinks they’re attractive. There, young girls parents will force them to overeat, and if their daughters don’t want to, they will force-feed them, physically restrain them, give them drugs that could threaten their lives, and force them to throw up so they can keep stuffing themselves. The girls have no choice but to gain weight and adhere to the beauty standard, and they’re forced to go to extreme measures to do so. Meanwhile, if I wanted to say “hey, fuck my culture’s beauty standards,” stop showering, stop shaving, gorge myself on McDonald’s every day and become morbidly obese, no one is going to force me to do otherwise. I’m entitled to the choice of adhering to or deviating from the ideal, those girls are not.
I'll start off with saying that the idea of being forced to do anything is disgusting. Especially when it's forcing you to do something which is unhealthy and leads to serious health issues.
Now compared to western beauty standards, I don't think it's the same. Sure, you're under pressure by society to look a certain way, but that's purely due to how nature works. Everyone has expectations from others that they have to meet and are "punished" if they don't meet them, like being lazy or not showering regularly. It's your choice to decide if you're going to try and meet the expectations or not, as well as it's society's choice to either call you out for not meeting those expectations or not do it. If someone smells, you'll tell them they smell and you'll avoid them. If someone's lazy and it bothers you, you'll tell them they're lazy and you'll avoid them. Whenever something bothers you, you'll try to avoid it. Being fat is unhealthy and some people don't want to deal with the issues that can arise from that, so they avoid them. And it's not even their fault. Just like it takes willpower to be around someone who smells, it also takes willpower to be in a relationship with someone who's fat, albeit a lot less willpower. Also, a lot of people just find being fat not attractive. It's how natural selection works. We all look for certain traits in potential partners, for signs of health on them. Every preference we have is programmed into us by our genetic code. Being too fat is a sign of poor health and laziness, which is why we don't find it attractive. There's no hate in it, just biology, just nature. But unlike the topic of this story, you have a choice on how you'll look, which is why the western beauty standards are different than the ones mentioned above.
I don't find it less barbaric than all the crappy beauty procedures and surgeries with removing the ribs, crushing knee bones to lengthen them and all, and harmful facial creams that we use and ruin our health in the process. I remember a post where parents didn't allow their breast cancer patient daughter's breasts to get removed because 'no one will marry her' and she died a few months later.
We just don't consider plastic surgery as weird or barbaric because the WESTERN people have accepted it as normal and don't understand that people in Mauritius have taken this fattening system as normal too.
The key difference between those two things is choice. Women in the West choose to go out and get all these insane surgical procedures done in pursuit of a more attractive body, but the girls in the videos have no choice at all in the matter. They’re FORCED to overeat themselves to achieve an unhealthy beauty standard. Like in the video, the mother said that if her daughter said she didn’t want to eat, she would “tie her up for a day or two” and essentially force food down her throat. THAT’S what makes this process barbaric, and far more so than women in the West willingly removing their own ribs.
@CarpetDenim I did mention other examples where people have to do things against their own will as well. Plus it is even worse when women do such procedure to themselves.
Every culture has its own things, I don't think you can really compare these with each other. We don't have he right to judge on them, nor can they on us (for example, some girls in the Western culture are starving themselves to be "beautiful".) And they also aren't the only country where young girls are prepared to marry...
I'm pretty sure you know most peoples' diets aren't particularly healthy. People disciplining their eating habits is usually good to a point. We obviously weren't' designed to be as big as most of us are. People may feel like they are starving, but that's rarely true.
Were the girls you know forced to starve themselves? Did their parents take away their food, make them throw up when they ate something, or tie them up for days so they couldn’t eat? I don’t think so. That’s what’s happening to the girls in the video though, how can you not see the clear difference between those two things? They have no choice, the girls you know do.
I've noticed black men do tend to like somewhat bigger women than white men on average. Obviously the girl you showed doesn't represent that though. My thoughts are most of people from these areas are extremely poor and can usually barely afford calories so her excess fat is a sign of wealth and status. I think this is largely a play on gaining pride from society and not proof that there is not inherent genetic inclination towards physical attraction or proof of relativism.
Sounds like another uneducated Neanderthalish 3rd world thing to do. Guess they don't know what else to do with a useless girl other than get rid of her to the first man who comes along as quickly as possible so they don't have to keep wasting money on food and water?
Personally I think it is terrible. For me personality, the ability to maintain a healthy body style is what is important. That means to me they know how to take care of them-self so they can take care of a partner-mate too!
It's mostly a tradition in Arabic countries but it's fading away slowly thank god It has nothing to do with Islam though, just for the ignorants out there who think so
I now no longer believe third world countries should get any help from the developed world since they are luxurious enough to engage in such degenerate behavior.
You will never see feminism go anywhere near talking about or fighting against it, but now they might use it as an example of how “they” are oppressed.
@Syrian_survivor I knew a Muslim family. They drugged their daughter and made her sign a marriage certificate. She didn’t want to marry a man she had only met once. That’s barbaric
@Rissyanne and I knew a Christian family who used their daughter as a sex toy, raped her, and sold her body around against their will, she eventually got HIV and died at the age of 17 What's your point? -_-
@Syrian_survivor dude you must be one of them insane Muslims. Everyone knows Islam is a violent religion. Are you afraid you are going to have to start treating women better?
@Rissyanne I've studied Islam all my life and it's not a violent religion Don't throw me those verses and tell me "Look here they're ordering you to kill people" Study Islam first, you'll know that it's a religion of love and peace Then come to me so I can have a logical mature discussion with you And I treat womem better than any atheist or Christian does, so you can drop that dumb assumption
Stop assuming and using pointless insults, you're just proving how childish your mind still is
@Syrian_survivor "people like her are everywhere, and they're toxic All they do is spread hate with their ignorance"
The problem is see with that is she sounds like she formed an opinion based on information and correlations she's observed. Maybe she is wrong, but to me people should be able to form opinions others don't agree with even if it offends others. We are at a time where people are not allowed to have opinions based on data they've processed if the outcome is offensive so we have to lie and live in a phony world. This is because of bigotry and personal attack reactions like you just made to her.
Also, you don't know her to claim she is toxic. That is ignorant as well. And she doesn't only spread hate: more ignorance.
Some people justify not allowing women and LGBT+ the same rights as everyone else in Islam's name. The religion has also been used as an excuse to do violence and war, but Christianity and other religions aren't very different. The crusade, Spanish inquisition, the persecution of Protestants and Catholics etc. are things done in Christianity's name.
@cavmanier She didn't back up what she said with evidence
If she wasn't toxic, she would at least give a more reasonable answer with explanation, not "bad things happen in Muslim countries so Muslims are shit" At least I'm only talking about her, not a whole religion, and I actually have a reason to say what I said
A girl spreads hate for no reason, no matter on how small or big of a scale I'll assume she's a bad person, I just say what I see
If she actually had a point, I would have had a civilized discussion about it But when the only thing she says encourages more bad than good, then sorry 🤷
@Syrian_survivor, she may think something that don't apply to everyone (stereotypes) and have other opinions than you, but that don't mean she's a bad person or have bad intentions. She may have good intentions and believe what she's saying is right. She may also think her opinions are good and correct. So disagreeing don't mean that person you're disagreeing with is bad. That's oversimplifying.
I'm for instance disagree with Donald Trump, but do that mean he's a bad person? No. I may think his opinions don't always make sense and that someone else should be the president. But Trump may still truly believe he's doing the right thing and what's best for the people in the US. Same thing may apply to Rissyanne. Not everyone can have the same opinions.
I'm against abortions because I believe it's the best thing for the children, but people are disagree with me because they think supporting it would be the best for the mothers.
@curiousnorway I probably disagree with many of your values as well, it's natural, but I don't care about any of that and I respect you as a person Because your different thoughts and opinions do more good than harm, you're self-concious and open to having a good learning debate
But when have stereotypes been ever good? I understand she thinks in a different way and has a different opinion, I completely respect that, but the idea of feeding the flames of hate is disgusting to me, especially when the hate speech isn't productive or educating in any way other than targetting innocent people and encouraging conflict
These little things do matter and do make a change, a change for the worse
@Syrian_survivor Maybe she doesn't want to have a discussion. I can see why you are upset, but I still think she gets to have her opinion. Well she used a correlation as evidence. Sometimes they can be persuasive. Lots of "studies" are based on correlation. Here in the west we have seen a lot of terrible things from Islam. You would probably agree that about 1/3 of the sect of Islam is pretty trash. Not everyone has experienced the good part.
I'll say, the limited Muslim people I've know have been great. I met a guy from Afghanistan here in California. He served in the Afghan Army as an interpreter for US troops, and he was a great guy. I talked to him for hours and couldn't stop. He had great traditional values i m o.
For example, if @Riss talked and stated her opinion rather than setting it as a fact, I would be completely chill with her, talk her through it to understand her point of view, and try fixing it for her if it was incorrect, maybe I can learn a thing or two too, maybe I would actually realize I'm wrong in specific things But the way people like her "discuss" is just unproductive
@cavmanier I agree, maybe even 2/3 of people who claim they are Muslims are trash But that doesn't mean the religion is trash, it's just the people, the laws, the governments they were stomped by in their homeland, bad traditions that have nothing to do with the religion, and many other factors
A religion shouldn't be correlated with its members
Yeah here in the west for most of our history we have been able to have free speech. We can say pretty much whatever ridiculous crap we want. Go onto google and type "idiot" and click on the images, and you'll see all pictures of Trump
which is likely illegal in places like China or Iran. We allow white supremacists to have public parades as well as skanky feminists too : p The reason we have that is because of civil liberty, but it's also important because it's hard to know who is right. If we silence people, their ideas are blocked from benefiting society. We can eye roll the dumb ideas 🙄 but occasional new ones may lead to progress. Without this, black people would not have been able to march for equal rights, nor women. We'd be stuck into a totalitarian type of system, lacking innovation.
That's true I guess everything has its pros and cons, but I think it's gone out of control these days
For example, most Arab people are silenced to voice their opinions That's why most of them suffer from extreme poverty
While the USA is drowning in money, because they were able to voice their opinions, but it's gotten out of hand and it's starting to target innocent people more and more, like feminists reporting false sexual harassement claims and such, tearing society apart
@Syrian_survivor I think the 1/3 to 2/3 of people is what she's talking about. I don't know enough about Islam to claim it's bad which is why I never comment on this.
She could've said "most", generalizing is always a bad thing
Like I said, I think 2/3 of people who claim to be Muslim are shit, I live between them and they do nothing Islam tells them to do Always fighting, spreading rumors, backstabbing each other, spreading hate, basically doing the exact opposite of what the religion says, because I studied all of it, and erased the doubts I had like many people here have as well
But exclude extremists like ISIS and Nusra and such, each culture and religion has its extremists and they don't count xD
@Syrian_survivor There is a pendulum swinging of young liberal millennials not supporting free speech. They classify things that hurt their feelings as hate speech.
Arab people can be very intelligent. I think you all invented algebra lol. I'm pretty sure they are hamstrung by dictators. The economic structure doesn't have opportunity.
Well the thing is in the west people often complain and make a huge deal out of things that are fairly small in the scope of the world. I was just watching the UK brexit parlament debates and everything is so dramatic. The reality is that our differences aren't that big.
@Syrian_survivor See I've meet Muslims that have told me exactly what you just did. Not everyone has though. Like I said though, I don't know enough about the religion to know who's right. Regardless, there's a lot of bad intertwined with the religion, even if it wasn't Allah's desire. This happens to many groups though. That's why it's better to reserve judgement until you really know.
You know, that is a good point. If all Americans' were Christian, the collective behavior wouldn't represent Christianities intent. The middle east just has a crazy war history that Islam gets responsibility for. It's like a quarterback gets blame for a team losing lol.
Our differences are big in national structure but not between us people Bring a poor Arab to a ghetto in the US and he will be walking on air But bring a rich US citizen to a 3rd world country and he will prefer if he had a heart attack in the plane before he arrived lmao That's why money doesn't bring happiness, it depends on the person haha
And yeah Arabs were thriving back in the old old days, they were leading in most scientific and literature domains But once they started straying from what they were taught from Islam, they crumbled down to their state today
I'm not being biased, Islam is a good religion but media hates it xD💔
Yeah exactly! Like I don't judge Budhists, even though they attacked and mass-murdered nearby Muslim villages, that's stupid
The people are the problem, not the religion itself People are greedy, they prefer conflict for more personal gain, some find religion as a good way for that as it leads masses of people, like when Christian pastors use church money for strip clubs and their own weird desires that are "forbidden" lol
@Rissyanne So I'm an insane Muslim? Last time I checked the statement: "the Muslim religion is a violent one. They treat women like dogs." Is False lot's of Muslim Men have the anger of a lot of other people that are Christian, etc.. But to say/assume they are a practicing Muslim is not good. Real Muslim Men are not insane to do things as ISIS would. The things you think of are more in culture. Good Muslim Men treat us women with respect. A thing to remember is most Muslim majority countries are NOT Islamic Even Saudi Arabia
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