Should women get paid maternity leave?

[Anonymous]

Why should women get paid maternity leave? Why do they get extra free paid time off just for having a kid that they can have pretty much every year. Why is there no limit on this why can't people just have an extra two three months vacation every year some places even get 6 months.

What about the people who don't have kids why don't they get an extra six months paid vacation every year? Why do the people who don't have the kids have to work more to make up for the difference for a lazy parent to stay at home with their crotch fruit?

So Paid maternity leave just gives people who don't deserve time off more time off is insanely easy to abuse and the people not abusing it get severely punished with more work.

[hhues]

Maternity leave attracts employees to an organization. They get great employees for most of that employee's life, and they pay that employee for maternity leave for only a few months that entire 20 years. It costs more to manage a high turnover rate than it does to pay a percentage of a woman's pay while she's caring for her newborn. It works put better for the employer.

Just so you know, I work in HR and there is data from my company to back that up. We've existed for 76 years now, and we are a healthcare system so we're mostly women. We've saved money now that we've increased our paid maternity leave length. Something else we've done is raise our minimum wage, and this is (believe it or not) saving us a LOT of money in areas like orientation, flu shots, drug tests, background checks, etc...

Long story short, paid maternity leave saves money in the long run.

[Asker]

Not if it's forced on employers by federal law.

[hhues]

It still saves money no matter who enforces it.

[Asker]

You do realize most employers can't afford to give paid maternity leave it doesn't save money it cost money because now you have to pay for an employee to have time off plus and another employee to do the job you're literally costing 2 times the cost to do the same job

[hhues]

Some companies are like you and dont see the benefit, but it's actually better for them in the long run.

[Asker]

And the ones it's better for they can choose to do it themselves it's insanely stupid to have a federal law forcing businesses to pay double for employment just because the person's too stupid to get a job that offers it and you want them to be allowed to reproduce really they shouldn't be allowed to reproduce in the first place either

[hhues]

It's better for all companies. Maternity leave doesn't pay a full salary anyway, its anywhere between 40% and 70% by my knowledge (my company is 60% for the first 8 weeks and 40% thereafter, but all that is coming from vacation time. They do 40% so you can use the same amount of vacation time for more days, but they're not losing money on that).

We should not limit reproduction, it's a right to reproduce. Hiring a temp to fill in for the person on maternity is still cheaper than dealing with a high turnover rate.

Companies with fewer than 20 employees I think dont have to worry about paid maternity leave, they're exempt from that. The company I work for has nearly 30,000 employees though so we have to.

[Asker]

And you're forgetting about the other employee you have to hire or Force another employee to do the work without extra pay.

And reproducing is not a right if you cannot take care of the kid you should not be allowed to have it and be forced to be sterilized

[hhues]

I'm not forgetting it, I'm just saying the benefits outweigh the costs of leave.

http://www. un. org/en/development/desa/population/theme/rights/

[Asker]

And at the benefits oh that great allow businesses to make that decision for themselves not stay it's a federal law people get time off just for popping out a kid you'll fine for the vast majority of businesses that never give the benefit.

[hhues]

The companies that dont give the benefits would quickly fail. Businesses need women.

[yasii]

1. They are not lazy for raising a child. Especially a new born is a lot of work.
2 . Maternity leave includes father where I'm from so it's not only for women
3. We need kids. Who else is going to pay for our pensions or taxes when we are to old?
4. Almost all countries in the World provide maternity leave (see below)
5. If they don't get maternity leave, they'd get other social benefits so why not let the employer pay for it instead of the state? Most can effort it easily. And only if they don't the state will pay for the maternity leave.
6. It makes going back into work life much easier for the parents cause they don't get fired for taking some time off

Why are americans so against everything that will benefit the ordinary men/women. Why is your first thought always about what you can get if others are getting help?

[Ponycargirl12]

I so agree girl. Do you believe maternity pay should be different than regular on-the-job pay, or the same? I don't see maternity leave full paid as a problem whatsoever.

[Asker]

1. Not the work they're being paid for so why do they get paid for raising a kid?
2. What are people who don't have kids they're completely left out why don't they get extra paid time off every year to make up for the difference.
3. We're still going to have children people just don't magically stop having kids because they're not getting free time off. And maybe don't rely on the government to take care of you when you're old do investment so you can take care of yourself.
4. And what do I care about what they do.
5. Yes we need to cut a lot of our social programs they're all very full corruption and scams.
6. And no one is saying fire them just they don't get paid time off it's the same thing if you get heavily sick you get time off but not paid time off and the job is waiting for you when you get back so the employer doesn't have to pay for two people to do one job.

Why is it liberals don't think critically and just want everything based off emotions

[yasii]

@Ponycargirl12 where I'm from (germany) it's 80% of the usual pay

[Ponycargirl12]

That is reasonable!!

[Ponycargirl12]

Personally not a liberal at all, but I like the idea of a woman being able to take maternity leave. And I don't see it as one of the social programs that are commonly scammed in America such as welfare, foodstamps (by many women who DONT work at all). If a woman has a job, what's wrong with her employer helping her out a bit?

[Asker]

Yes if the employer decides to do this I'm okay with it the problem is when they make federal law forcing employers to do this.

Because the employer decides do it usually it's a high-profit business that they can reward the other employees to pick up the slack with bonuses.

By making it a federal law you're actually hurting everyone else you just doesn't pop out kids not stop by making them work many times more for Less pay to make up for the difference.

[yasii]

Thats how a democracy works. You won't always benefit from everything your taxes are paying for. You won't enjoy the Bridge that is build across the country or the library or whatever. But that doesn't mean it should not be build.
I was just about to use the comparison of health care where the employer pays for the healthcare of their workers but not even that is mandatory in the US😭I'm not going to explain to you why caring for others is important. But things like these make life a lot more comfortable for the ordinary men and this should be the goal of every government

[Asker]

Yes democracy is a horrible system there's a reason why the founding fathers called it ruled by the mob.

The people who pay the taxes considering the top 20% pay 86% of the taxes don't get to choose on these matter you just get a bunch of lazy fuckers who don't pay taxes demanding more free stuff.

Democracy the failure I don't know why people use its democracy as a defense when horrible things happen that hurt the people because people are too emotional and they don't really think because you're not the ones paying the bills

Democracy is like having your kids vote for what's for dinner every night and always doing what they vote for regardless of the cost.

[yasii]

@Ponycargirl12 Yes thats what most people don't get. Of course we' d all like to pay less for wellfair programs. But the right way is not to let people starve cause they wanted a child. But rather help them stay in their feet so they can work and pay taxes as again as soon as possible

[Asker]

You do realize over half of Americans don't pay federal income tax the top 20% pay 86% of the taxes you're not increasing the tax base by what you're doing you're increasing the tax burden

[yasii]

@asker if you want to live in the middle ages where the simple people had no rights, thats fine. You can complain all you want but in the end, you still have to pay your taxes like everyone else.

[Asker]

What out the right to keep my money? And really if we ever get a president who's going to let stuff like this past not just veto it it's going to make it so we have to raise taxes making it so many people just leave America and go to an island country with zero income tax.

People don't have to just sit back and pay the taxes especially the people who have money they can leave that is why when you raise taxes you actually lose tax revenue because a lot of people just decide to leave and not do the businesses that earn the money but when you lower taxes you increase tax revenue

[yasii]

I'm not talking about raising taxes, I'm talking about making employer pay for their workers maternity leave. It seems to work just fine in the rest of the world so I doubt every billionair
would suddendly leave the country. They can easily pay for it. Where I'm from, many are even doing much more than what is asked from them. A friends husband got 1 year paternity leave plus 1000€ extra every month as long as he works there just because he got a kid. We should make companies value us. They are nothing without us.

[Asker]

You do realize a business's main cost is employees and you're basically saying let's increase that caused by probably at least 30 or 40% and think it will have no effect?

Really you sound like someone who doesn't understand business at all that will pretty much make it so the employees not taking the time off have to work more for less and you probably have to increase the cost of your product.

So basically some useless mother gets time off and everyone has to pay 20% more for everything so smart

[yasii]

How would that increase the cost for 40 percent? Where I'm from the average birthrate is 1.4 children per family. So the company pays for about 1-2 maternity leaves per women. If she is employed before her pregnancy. If not, she obviously won't get money. So the company actually pays even less than 1-2 maternity leaves per women. So for an average work life of about 40 years, that would be 1 year of maternity leave the employer had to pay for. (6 months leave for 2 children) so how do you get that ridiculous number? 40% more is bullshit

[Asker]

Because the massive costs. If you get paid maternity leave now you have to pay two people for one job. The second person not really knowing what they're doing so not really contribute mean as much so it's more like three people for one job.

And America you'll have many people abusing the system if it ever happens if you can get paid maternity leave you have many people popping out of the kids every year there's already people who do that for disability and food stamps and stuff.

Really I don't know why people are so against self responsibility and want Society take care of them

[yasii]

Ok now it's just an angry rant and not based on facts. Let's say the women get's 2000$ per month. For the whole year she would be gone that's 24.000€ not much compared to what she contribute in a 40 year long carrer at the organisation. There might be people who get a lot more children, but at the same time there are a lot who get none. It evens out. No one get's a child for ridiculous 6 month worth of pay.

[Asker]

You really are under estimating how corrupt people are parents don't even take their kids to get free food from schools during the summer if they don't also get the food themselves that's how corrupt and little they care about their kids and just think of them as an ATM

[yasii]

Ok let's say someone does her pregnant every year for maybe 6 years, eventhough this is highly unlikely. The costs for 6 paid leave would still be manageable die the organisation. And not everyone get's a kid so it evens out. And why throw the whole idea out of the window just because some people could potentially abuse it? The amount of people who'd get 6 or more kids for ridiculous 6 month of paid leave is probably pretty low. If this really is a problem, the state could make a low which makes it mandatory to pay for only first 3 prenancys or something like that. Most women won't get more anyways

[Asker]

So your logic is the people having a kid get a great benefit but at least the people not having kids we can penalize them over and over again to make up for the difference.

So you're literally saying someone pops out a kid let's make other people work their jobs and not get paid for it so they can't keep getting paid and take care of their kid really you only think about the parents you don't think about everyone involved especially the many people who are drastically hurt by their actions

[ChetAtkins]

I'm all for the government helping you out, but if you dump that on the employer, then why would they ever want to hire you? I sure as hell wouldn't.

[NaultD]

There's bottom dollar capitalist values and then there's human values. With a completely capitalist slave system constantly working for short term gains. That don't allow time to make romantic connections let alone children raising will be the extinction of the human race.

So for long term success we should help future generations and there parents in everyway possible for best results for humanity.

[Asker]

What are you talking about you seem to be very brainwashed.

Maybe it's your fault for not taking any of the money you earn and thinking long-term capitalism actually greatly rewards that. It's the capitalism it's actually easier than ever to make long-term success.

I just taking care of people doesn't actually help them there's many studies actually showing it causes a species to kill itself. Take the universe 21 mice experiments

[NaultD]

It's not about money I'm talking about. It's more about time. Giving maturity and fraternity time means extreme growth for everyone. giving that time is an invaluable investment for future growth that deserves government involvement. Just for future prosperity.

[Asker]

What are you talking about I don't even understand you think capitalism makes it so you have less time? Thanks to capitalism we have more free time that never you seem to be very misinformed about capitalism probably someone who can only work at something like McDonald's because you lack skills and can't do anything of value

[NaultD]

I'm brainwashed by my parents working endlessly. Now they just buy my love, close to $2000 last Christmas to just to be in each other presence. I don't have any memorable moments of growth or values from them. My favorite reward i sought was being left alone from punishment from there stress of there working.

As an infant i said my babysitter was my new mom because she was there for me compared to my birth mother. That's how it is with children, time matters infinitely more then any capitalist agenda and childen are the future.

[Asker]

So your whole family last skill and ability and you blame that on everyone else. Maybe I'm correct and people like you should not even be reproducing in the first place obviously you're not producing any quality

[NaultD]

What is the end goal you want to achieve? I'm expressing my life experience on the matter. My Parent's working endlessly for my child live a hollow existence till I grow up on my own as an adult opposing pure capitalist values with the same voting rights as you. So i can vote and promote family values beyond capitalist bottom dollar for my country's best interests as i see fit.

[Asker]

Not to be penalized for other people's mistakes like their families. Why is it my responsibility to pay for your idiotic family if they cannot pay for it themselves.

[NaultD]

Family leave in anyway is not a mistake but a huge investment for any community / country for long term investments. Children with there parents is a good thing with every vote i have gotten agrees.

[Asker]

And maternity leave doesn't magically give them parents it just gives them a few weeks when they're first born that they're not even going to remember with their parents.

It is not a good investment it's a terrible investment. If you actually cared about families you would want to severely limit who can reproduce. Probably around 30% of people should not be allowed to reproduce

[NaultD]

With the capitalist system we have it's the best we can give. With more improvement on the horizon from left leaning Congress person's in the future.

[Asker]

You seem to be very misunder formed about capitalism because you're a failure. Capitalism actually makes it very easy to make a tremendous amount of money. Are you just want to take that away because the people without skills can't make anything and make everyone equally poor.

[NaultD]

Am a failure owning my own home and car well beyond my peers? I still contribute that to my family's lack of any family values over capitalism values. It's all about time together that makes people feel alive, that is the essence of parental leave from your base line of youe original question.

[Asker]

Guess you're not a failure than good job but why should someone who just cares about family be rewarded the same as you and not have to do any work?

Why not just let people work for what they have not be able to steal from others because they're envious of them and they use some excuse as family values

[jessture]

You've got it backwards. The answer isn't give mothers less time to be a mother, the answer is fathers should be given the same exact amount of time to be a father and support the mother.

And this is coming from someone who does not want kids nor do I have any. We're talking about the survival of the fucking human race here

[Asker]

So parents just get six months off every year they have a kid and you have to work basically to two to three times harder and more for no extra pay to make up the difference.

Really the human race is not going to go extinct because we're not giving people free stuff to take care of themselves there's actually tons of evidence to show taking care of everyone at level will cause a species to go extinct go read about the universe 21 mice experiment.

[jessture]

Do you know anyone who has been a new parent recently? I've had several. It's not the sunshine and rainbows you say it is. Despite all that time off, it is still far less stressful to just not have a kid to begin with.

You clearly aren't thinking objectively on this.

[Asker]

Yes my cousin just had her second kid a few weeks ago. Was in the hospital one day went to work three days later. And it's not like she works at McDonald's or something she's actually a marketing executive for a Fortune 500 company.

[jessture]

Yeah right. If she was a marketing executive at a fortune 500 company she's definitely got far more time off than the normal worker. I highliy doubt someone that high up in the food chain went back to work 3 days after giving birth.

[Asker]

She does because she's actually dedicated to working how do you think she got so high up. Believe she probably had more time off probably even had maternity leave just chose not to do it so she could get back to working.

[jessture]

If you are telling the truth, and I highly doubt it, she is setting an awful example for the employees under her.

[Asker]

I think she's setting a great example.

[jessture]

Good for you

[hhues]

Women like your cousin dont have kids to have a family, they do it to carry their name down. If she wanted a family she would spend time with her family.

[Asker]

And why do people get to decide to have a family and have everyone else paid for it if you want a family you should have to pay for it yourself not go I want a family pay for one for me. If you can't take care of your kids you deserve sterilization not free stuff

[hhues]

Asker, we've already gone over the fact that your money concerns aren't even valid so...

[madhatters4]

the fact that you call it a "paid vacation" speaks volumes

if you want paid leave in which you have to stay in your house, often on some sort of bread rest, get less than 4hours of sleep a day, caring for the needs of someone every minute of every day, while your body heals from a traumatic ordeal, then so be it.

paid time off actually costs employers and the government less money in the long term. and paid maternity leave is nothing like a paid vacation.

[MlleCake]

Because families matter in our society.

[Asker]

So that gives them the right to steal from others? Because they think they matter more they get you steal from others great logic you have there

[MlleCake]

Men deserve paid parental leave too.

It leads to a better start for children, and that benefits our society.

[Asker]

So what about the people who don't have kids they just have to work more for Less to make up for the people who are selfish and reproducing when they can't actually afford to

[MlleCake]

It's not the other employees that pay. It's the employer.

And it is a benefit to employers to treat employees well. It's a benefit to employers to exist in a society of well adjusted people.

[Asker]

So who's doing the actual work to make up for the work that the person who's taking time off just for popping out of the kid is not doing its the other employees they are penalized for no extra pay because someone is selfish and want to pop out a kid without planning ahead and using sick time or vacation time.

I'm making them you sick time or vacation time for it it's planning a budget and the people who don't have kids or not getting less days off just because they're not popping out a kid. Why do you reward people for mistakes

[MlleCake]

Employers handle the absences a number of ways.

Children are not mistakes.

[Asker]

Yes by forcing the other employees to pick up the work with no extra pay people who have kids are insanely shellfish.

And yes for many people having a kid is a big mistake. It is one of the major contributors to Poverty is having a kid.

[ChetAtkins]

That's not your employer's responsibility. If you push that crap, then employers will stop hiring women. Why would they?

[MlleCake]

Why is it not a corporate entity's responsibility to contribute to the society in which they exist?

[ChetAtkins]

LOL. Keep pushing, and you'll find out how well that works. I wouldn't hire a woman. How dumb would I have to be?

[MlleCake]

I support paid family leave for men and women.

[ChetAtkins]

Cool. But don't dump that on the employer. That's not very smart. I'm all for the government helping with that, but don't shoot yourself in the foot making your employer pay. You will lose.

[MlleCake]

I'm perfectly happy for it to be a government benefit instead of an employer benefit.

[ChetAtkins]

Of course. I mean, why not make your employer pay for your car insurance, also?

[Ponycargirl12]

Women with children should have paid maternity leave in my opinion, but maybe not the same amount of pay as if they were at work (maybe 75%?). Anyways, why do u have so much of a problem with it? It makes it financially easier for a mother to be with her child after he/she is born.

[Asker]

Why not use 9 months you had pregnant to save up your stick days and vacation days you had tons of time to plan out why do you demand to get weeks of extra paid time off?

What about the people who never have kids why do they not get weeks of paid vacation every few years like the people who pop out a kid every few years they just have to work more to make up for the difference.

[ChetAtkins]

Great idea. Brilliant. Then no boss would hire you. lol

[shaylaswan15]

It's not easy finding a babysitter. Along with having a kid is not a vacation. Along with, maybe the mother needs time to heal down there? She did push out a kid. Along I could ask, why do men get paid more than women even if working the same job? That's not the point here. Anyways, new dads get 2 weeks off too. Reasoning them getting it shorter is cause he obviously has to help the mother but along with the dad didn't push out a human being out of them.

[Asker]

That's why you save your vacation days or other sick days not just you get extra because you popped out a kid. And I don't care if you make the law apply to males to that just makes it worse because now there's two people for each one kid gone what about the people who don't have any kids ever why don't they get an extra six months paid vacation every three years to make up the difference or something.

And you clearly don't really understand what you're talkin about women do not get paid less. With just a little bit of critical thinking you can see how untrue it is if women got paid less for the same job why would any man be working?

I could hire all women cut my operation cost by 30% under cut my competition because my main cost of Labor is now 30% less and dominate and no man will ever be working because of this. The very fact there's men working proves you are wrong

[shaylaswan15]

Save your vacation days and sick days? Obviously you don't understand. When a women gives birth down there. Everything is messed up for awhile and needs 6 weeks in total to heal. As a human being tore through her vagina basically. Its dangerous even if the women went to work in those conditions. It's not really about taking days off but more about letting the woman heal. Hey, your aloud to have ur opion not judging you. Just sharing my opion as well

[shaylaswan15]

I dont expect you to understand as you never will give birth.

[Asker]

It's funny how suddenly women now need six weeks to heal after giving birth but for all human history they were up and going after a few days damn humans really went back on the evolution.

The people who even say six weeks don't even talk about healing the six weeks it's about being with a kid is their argument because they know the woman is fine after a day or two

[shaylaswan15]

Why do you think mothers died sooner back in the day? cause they didn't have knowledge back on it. Search it up. Anyways not trying to argue cause in the end no one can change your mind set you have on this right now. In the end, all that matters is the woman shows up to work after the healing process. And yeah it sucks for the people that has to work extra, but in the end were all still getting paid and were basically gonna be working for our entire lifes to work. So might as well suck it up along with you won't remember this is in 10 years.

[Asker]

Actually it was all because of complications during the birth itself that we fix with our modern medicine after the birth the mother's life is pretty save the child's life is pretty guaranteed after 2 years. You don't need six weeks just because you popped out a kid you're fine after a day or two they just want time to play with their crotch fruit

[shaylaswan15]

Anyways the hosptial usally keeps you in for a couple days anyways after the birth. So they wouldn't be able to get back to work right after. As they also would have to go home and take of their baby. Along with it works differently in other states. Some require you to work up to 26 weeks to 15th weeks before the babies due date to have the maternity leave as an agreement to make up missing work days. In the end, they are paying up the missing work days with in some states in 12 weeks

[Asker]

Yes they keep you a couple days not weeks and that's really only a couple days if they want to do more tests many women are out the next day my cousin just gave birth was at the hospital the next day went to work 3 days later as she works at a high-end marketing job she just not a lazy ass

[shaylaswan15]

Not all women are lazy asses. Again, it depends on the agreement and where you live. And you would be tired and a lazy ass if you had to stay up all night with a screaming baby.

[Asker]

Sounds like you're just making excuses because someone's lazy and doesn't want to do their job and still get paid for it.

[shaylaswan15]

Why would I be making excuses for people I don't know. In the end it doesn't matter. All this power is in the government's hands. Not yours. Your allowed to have an opion but in the end it's not up to us but them. Hope you have a good day.

[ChetAtkins]

It's not easy getting a baby sitter? lol
And how is that your bosses responsibility to pay for it?

[shaylaswan15]

🤠🤪 dunno not my problem🤷‍♂️

[ChetAtkins]

Nor is it your bosses problem.

[shaylaswan15]

I dont control the system 🤠

[ChetAtkins]

That's very true. But the system needs to wise up.

[Anonymous]

Why even allow women time off to give birth? You wanna have a baby, do it on your coffee break, ffs. And don’t you think for even one second that we will tolerate you feeding that baby. No boobs allowed in here. Families. Who gives a fack about families?

[311WasAnInsideJam]

You're right. After literally creating life and going through the physical trauma of childbirth they should leave the baby at home and return to work.

Someone else's problem now.

[Asker]

You save up your vacation or sick days don't demand you get extra paid vacation because you popped out a kid you have nine months to plan and that's if you did know planning to get pregnant in the first place you had plenty of notice

[CT_CD]

Companies shouldn't be required to provide paid maternity leave. If a person decides to have a child, that’s their choice.

[Asker]

Yeah no problem is all the groups pushing for federal law for 6 months payments for Relief and tons of people just virtue signaling not thinking like you are so you going to see it passed soon as we don't have someone like Trump defending the last line with veto power

[matchrestore]

Yes, women should get paid maternity leave. It is a net benefit to society for a mother to be able to take time from work at the start of her child's life. I also would argue that men should get paid paternity leave as well.

[Asker]

It is not a net benefit it's a net drain. And what about the people who don't have a kids having to work extra to make up for someone popping out a kid. And now you're into devising people who cannot plan long-term to have more kids with your ideas making Society worse off but having genetically inferior reproduce more often than the people who are better off.

The fact is there's to be no payment or do you believe there should be no social programs that you cannot take care of your kids to be forced to be sterilized

[matchrestore]

There are important social goals and fiscal goals that addressed by paid maternal leave. Paid leave enhances child development by increasing parental time investment, promotes gender equality through higher maternal employment, and improves family/employment compatibility.

Studies on the topic show paid parental leave enriches the lives of families, that women are more likely to be in the workforce one year after the birth of their child, and earn more than those who don't. Paid parental leave also improves morale for all employees at a company, not just the women of childbearing age. The increased bonding time with a child also has been linked to higher test scores and high school graduation rates.

Your argument trends dangerously towards eugenics, which is a moral argument that has played out and decided. Eugenics is flat out wrong for society, and a morally bankrupt policy.

[Asker]

Yes Eugenics Works people just don't want to admit it because they're brainwashed from World War II propaganda.

Do you notice how your only argument about it it's immorl me and you really don't have an argument you're just thinking what other people told you to think.

The fact is if you cannot take care of your kid you deserve sterilization not more time off and free stuff.

[matchrestore]

The fact is that children are better off for their whole life if they have early bonding time with their parents. The benefits of early bonding translate into higher graduation rates, which in tern translates into lower reliance on social safety net programs such as welfare, snap, rent assistance, as well as lower incarceration rates, and an individual's incarceration is a huge cost to society.

[ChetAtkins]

Society is changing in a big way. I'm all for the government helping mothers out with kids, but if you make employers do it, why in the fuck would you even hire a woman for an employee? It's dumb as shit.

[Asker]

Yeah making it a federal law is what I'm against. But also think we should sterilize people after one kid they cannot take care of. Many people milk the system. And I'm be nice by letting them have one. In the old days you and your kid would have just died in a ditch.

[ChetAtkins]

I'm OK, with the government helping out, but if you ask employers to do this, who in their right mind would hire a woman? They would be stupid to do so. I love when 17 year old girls on this site give worldly advice. lol It really cracks me up.

[Redstang88]

It should be up to the employer. It’s a good incentive for people to want to work there and be productive, but it’s absurd for employers to be obliged to pay someone to not work

[AynonOMouse]

They get paid for 6 weeks, not months. The employer doesn't have to pay it, it comes out of taxes and is paid through SSI. Now they finally made it so the father gets 6 weeks paid time off also anytime within the first year of it being born.

[Asker]

What a horrible system 6 weeks paid vacation paid for by the taxpayers. Just because you popped out a kid and you wondering why Social Security insurance is going bankrupt.

What about the people who don't have kids why don't they get a 6 week paid vacation every other year to make up for it why do they just have to work more to make up for the person taking time off just because they pop out a kid.

[AynonOMouse]

Plus guess what. Many people that have kids rent instead of buying a home. That means their kids benefit from schools that are paid for by property owners through property taxes. Then on top of that if they are low income they can get lots of food stamps for their kids.

Someone with kids could potentially not pay property taxes, get paid 6 weeks off each year if they keep popping out kids, and collect hundreds in food stamps each month too.

[Asker]

You do realize it when you're renting out property you factor in the property tax maintenance and all that into the rent.

When you're renting the property tax are in your rent you're paying them.

They just get tons of government assistance outside of food stamps they get tax deduction tax credits. Then there's many other programs they can apply for as well if they feel like it. Mainly if they qualify as low-income basically popping out a kid can be a middle-class job in America because how many social programs we give to the mothers

[AynonOMouse]

Many single mothers get section 8 (free rent money) that comes out of our tax money (working people)

[Asker]

Yes I know we have a horrible system that pretty much a sense of eyes is if your failure to pop out as many kids as you want we should be sterilized these people not just taking care of them

[Serpentor]

For a woman, it is easier working than raising a kid. Also a kid (person) is resource to a country, having a healthy person is an investment. Yes I am a guy.

[Asker]

And why does that mean they get time off paid for by other people. Really a kid is not that special. And they have nine months to plan beforehand why not save up your sick days use those to take a week or two off and not demand you get months of free paid vacation off.

[Serpentor]

As you said, it surely is not vacation for them. And I agree, it should be a decision of the employer, And again people would start to seek for employers who pays for them in their maternity period. Employer should make his/her employees happy, then he will have more productive, loyal workforce. So I think it is Win-win situation. Also employer might already aware of the situation when he appointed a woman as an employee, means it already was in his business plan, he will strategically gain it somehow.

I think this is more of a norm than a law. If it makes something good to society, I don't see any reason to defy the norm.

[esotericstory]

Fathers should get it too in my opinion. Fathers always fall short when it comes to the law despite statistics showing how much a child needs a father.

[Asker]

What about the people who don't have kids they just get penalized have to work more for no extra pay just tell someone who popped out a kid without thinking can be rewarded.

[esotericstory]

Yeah they should get penalized for it.

[Asker]

And you see how your ideas destroy societies you're basically saying the people who plan ahead and think long-term should be penalized so someone who acts on their Basic Instinct can be rewarded.

[esotericstory]

Producing children is the best investment a couple can make.

[Asker]

Incorrect it's by far one of the worst Investments.

A kid cost about $1,000 a month on average not even factoring an opportunity cost loss by investing that same amount of money you can become a multi-millionaire. And what do you get from a kid someone who visits you now and then if you're lucky.

The fact is having a kid is by far the worst investment

[esotericstory]

No, without children no society can survive.

[Whatever2929292]

I think men should be allowed to have the same and paid time off. She needs time to take care of the child.

[Philyouup]

Yeah. And when you knock your wife up you’ll be glad. I work for a company that gives paternity leave as well.

[Asker]

It's called planning ahead and have your vacation days and sick days saved up not thinking you deserve more time off just because you popped out a kid.

[Philyouup]

Wow. Your cool.

[Philyouup]

Trump much?

[Asker]

It's so sad that being a functional adult and planning ahead is considered something so rare nowadays.

[Philyouup]

I’m assuming you have an account set up to make up for 6 weeks to six months missing income. No? Thought so. It’s not tax money that are getting paid.

[Philyouup]

Your a whiner. Stop.

[Asker]

I have two years at my current spending in cash not even in the bank because the banks are not legally obligated to give you the money plus in my assets that can last longer than the rest of my life.

again being a functional adult and planning ahead is so rare in our world nowadays

[Philyouup]

It’s called a benefit and if you can get it great. A company on need to give you the time off. Not to pay for it. So your bitching about nothing. Just that a woman might be getting something your not.

[Asker]

And many people want to make it federal law I'm fine if a company wants to give it as a benefit but to make it federal law is insanely stupid.

[Philyouup]

Some smell porky pies.

[Philyouup]

Time off is a federal law. Not the pay. And you are a Trumper arnt you.

[Asker]

They want to make it so the federal law is they get paid time off.

It's funny how people like you automatically use if someone supports Trump as a negative when he's doing such a great job look at the job numbers the wage growth. The tax cuts did a great job set wish for more social cuts and more tax cuts

[Philyouup]

I fucking knew it. Lmfao.

[Philyouup]

You guys stand out so well.

[Philyouup]

And what is typical is you guys will be the first ones to use that benefit because you go to get yours

[Asker]

And what's your point? That you don't know what you're talking about is brainwashed by Facebook I just get mad at anyone who's not promising free stuff

[Philyouup]

You Gota get yours.

[Asker]

I don't need handouts I'm the one paying the bills. I completely fine with all social programs being cut and us getting a tax cut because of it will greatly benefit because I don't benefit from any of these programs just have to pay the bills just some fucking useless can live

[Philyouup]

You mean like the tax cut we all got that only the rich benefit from and corporations and baby we got an extra 50 bucks as middle-class citizens. You’re blind you’re a Enchanted Follower

[Asker]

The tax cuts benefit everyone. You cannot cut someone's taxes if they're not paying any like over fifty percent of Americans now. And actually thinks to the new deduction rules it was actually a tax increase for many rich people.

And because some middle-class people only pay a few hundred dollars can only get a small dollar amount back but the same person is amount back you think they didn't get a tax cut your someone who doesn't even understand how our tax code Works.

[Philyouup]

It’s not a handout. You don’t get paid unless it’s a benefit. Your bitching about a no. Existent issue. A Typical Enchanted Follower. You believe in the wall too. An other no existing issue. Lol.

[Asker]

Are you completely missing the part where I keep telling you it's the movement of the people wanting to make it federal law that there's paid maternity leave. Like I said another comments multiple times I don't mind if a business chooses to give it out because they're probably also getting out more benefits to people not having kids probably a bonus for picking up the slack but when you make it federal law you're penalizing many people and causing a lot of problems.

And you think illegal immigration is not an issue and you don't even understand how the tax code works really people like you just proved to me what a failure democracy is and how we need to do with the founding fathers wanted and limit voting

[Philyouup]

When most of the illegal immigration is actually from people overstaying their visas were coming in through Canada only about a third of the “threat” Is from our southern border and that illegal drugs actually come in through legal checkpoints and not through the desert. It only shows that you listenTo the stuff that turns your right wing boner on.

[Philyouup]

The wall that wasn’t going to cost us anything is now going to cost us over $5 billion and we put nearly 1,000,000 people into a no pay status because our president is a crybaby

[Philyouup]

He can’t tell the truth you can’t be Ernest and he has no empathy for anyone but himself. If you think he’s a real Republican then you have no idea what a Republican is.

[Philyouup]

And I bet you thought they were nice people on both sides down in Charlottesville.

[Philyouup]

I’ve had to live with Trump for over 30 years and his buddy Kushner. I know what kind of business people they are. As an ethical as you can get. And now that’s our president

[Philyouup]

A celebrity president is the last thing we needed

[Asker]

40% of it comes to legally cross the border. Yes there is no Silver Bullet there's multiple things you have to do funny how liberals think because it's not a silver bullet it's not a part of the solution and just allow the problem to grow.

Illegal immigration costs America tens of billions of dollars a year that we can cut it down by at least 40% by just building a wall that cost 5 billion then you can even get it paid for by putting a tax on remittances like what is the plan. And those people would not have to be out of work Democrats will just did Trump what he needs for border security when before he was president many and them were arguing for a wall as well. It's always open border people stopping it. Because it gets them votes and or a cheap labor pool from a Non-Stop supply of illegals.

[Philyouup]

So put on your Nazi uniform for your sheet or whatever it is that you need to do like Carry a tikki Torch.

[Philyouup]

That 40% is a false figure most illegal immigrants who are working under assumed identities are paying taxes they’ll never collect. And no one says the solution has to be a silver bullet, But the wall is a lead balloon

[Philyouup]

Nazis, Soviets, Chinese they build walls. Americans do not.

[Asker]

Yes at 40% number is probably low because that's only the ones we detect.

And yes illegal aliens stealing identities and using those to work as a big problem that is why I believe we also need to overhaul our identification system something like RFID implants will work perfectly.

But that doesn't stop the people who work without stealing identities it doesn't stop the flow up not stop people that is why you need a multiple State supports you block off the flow with a wall. Then you block off them from doing anything inside the country by fixing your identification system and requiring to do anything prove you're here illegally with the RFID chip or a Visa. Make it so they can't even buy groceries at the grocery store. Doing these two things together will cut our illegal alien problem down by probably over 90%

[Philyouup]

But funny how our president is enamored by those type of leaders. Demonizes depressed like they do, demonizes a group of people as scapegoats like they did. History is repeating itself Right in front of your nose but you can’t see it because you’re an enchanted folower.

[Asker]

America already has a parcel border wall and after it was built the places it was built on illegal alien Crossing went down America helps build border walls in the Middle East America loves building walls all the politicians have big walls around their giant mansions even the politicians love building walls

[Philyouup]

40% is way too high and if you actually listen to somebody other than Fox News or some alt right news outlet yet know that

[Asker]

Actually that is from the head of the Border Patrol.

[Philyouup]

Yes keep defending Trump because he really undefendable

[Philyouup]

I’m done.

[Anonymous]

Should new fathers get paid paternity leave? At a company that I used to work for, new dads got 2 weeks.

[Asker]

No I think you should have to use your sick time or vacation days.

What about the people who never have kids why don't make it extra paid weeks off? That you pretty much can abused and do every year.

[Opinion Owner]

I wouldn't call having a kid a "vacation." It's an entirely new job unto itself.

And likewise, giving in to your argument would feed into the major corporate system even more: it's not your employer's responsibility to have you healthy enough to work or to give you any paid time off. To scale back leave after a medical procedure (pregnancy) would leave room for companies to eliminate all support for their employees straight across the board.

[Asker]

They will so offer sick days and vacation days those are not magically going away just because the government is not forcing people to get paid maternity leave businesses give those because then they could attract better quality employees.

[Opinion Owner]

... and businesses with paid maternity leave will attract better quality employees, regardless of gender, because they give the incentive for them to apply.

[Asker]

Yes so you agree businesses should not be forced to offer it and it should be completely up to them no federal law or state law forcing them like many people want.

[Opinion Owner]

Should we also repeal FMLA, worker's comp, SSI, and other medical leave laws?

No. I think minimum standards should be required. Pregnancy and post-partem are extremely hard on the mother's body.

You have your job and your pay protected by other laws if you have a medical procedure done. Pregnancy shouldn't be treated any differently.

[Asker]

Yes we should get rid of Social Security. I'm not saying don't give them time off I'm just saying it's not paid time off it's like if you got cancer you get time off for the treatment but you don't get paid time off unless you use your sick days or vacation days.

[Opinion Owner]

For a waged employee, they usually don't get paid time off.

And I find the practice of unpaid medical leave reprehensible when it's for something serious, like a cancer diagnosis. The patient is already worried about whether on not they'll live. And then they might not get paid while they're out. Not to mention that other factors like their families are probably weighing on their minds, too. The fact that these laws have to exist in the first place should be a shock to the conscious, because employers used to just terminate employees and automatically garnish all of their unused sick and vacation time when they needed medical leave.

Medical leave is usually something everyone is paying into, anyway (i. e. unemployment taxes). It's also usually paid for by an insurance company, not the individual employer.

[Asker]

And the whole point of what I'm talking about is there's groups who wants to make it federal law that women get 6-month paid vacation just for popping out of kid

[Opinion Owner]

I think that's a step in the right direction. I also think anyone on long-term medical leave should have terms for the leave being paid.

People with cancer diagnosis' sometimes have to work in-between treatments. A new parent can't do that: not just possibly for their own physical ability, but a new baby needs 24 / 7 monitoring. It is not reasonable for a parent to leave a newborn's side for the child's first few months.

[100lbguy]

Because, most of the time, these kids will grow up and contribute to the society, which is good for the economy in the long term.

[Maxie2695]

Raising a child is definitely not a vacation

[Asker]

And why does that mean you get paid vacation time just because you have one why don't you have save up your sick days you have a 9 months planning.

And like I said what about the people who don't have kids why do they have to make up all of the work they're not doing for no extra pay. Or invest case they hire someone temp and they don't have to take the full load but have to deal with someone new for a few months who doesn't really know what they're doing.

Both ways greatly increasing costs to the business and decrease in productivity

[Volk_]

Pop out a kid and f the system! Go for it!

[stormbreaker06]

Sure. Only to the rationale ones.