Women, Is there toxic femininity?

Explain what toxic femininity is.Women, Is there toxic femininity?
Are toxic femininity and masculinity equally bad for society
Are toxic femininity and masculinity equally bad for society
  • Yes, toxic femininity exists
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  • No, toxic femininity doesn't exist
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  • I don't see why it cannot exist, we can conceptualize anything. It's just whether or not or concepts are correct or truthful.

    I don't know if the idea has been developed. The only types of institutions producing thoughts related to gender subjects are generally the feminist studies of universities. These institutions are usually very idealogical, bias and the main thing feminism produces at the moment is man hating rhetoric. I don't know anywhere else these ideas would be developed. I don't think that such a development would even produce much success or validity, especially in practical utility. Like, feminism generally has no validity but it's really useful for throwing bricks at the car windows of men.

    I would suggest that the basic oversimplified version of toxic masculinity is a failure. It looks at unfavourable male specific behaviour , attributes it to masculinity and POW! A bogus thesis is created. I don't think that the theories really have much relation to the concept of masculinity/femininity, at best the definitions pertain to behaviours among males/females in society. In that regard, stripped of relation to concepts of masculinity/fuemininity, it's generally acceptable, just a bit confusing. And I am sure that it's not hard to identify bad behaviours specific to women and then throw them under scrutiny of a femininity umbrella term.

    Personally, I think that these terms should be used in a frame of psychological study. I don't think that it's reasonable to equate all female behaviours as femininity. Instead, the basis I would use is what behaviours or mindsets have been instigated directly or indirectly as a result of a people conforming to notions of societal standards of masculinity/femininity. So, like a man buying a motor cycle for no other reason than to look manly. Or at least something that would cut off the excess we see with stuff like man spreading being called toxic masculinity, which is neither toxic or masculine and has only one relation to gender and that is that men do or can do it.

    I think among both sexes you can find a good long list of pathological mindsets and among those you will find people who act the way they do and can not act independantly from the indirect or direct influence of social constructions or other environmental social influences. I think that among women you will find people that shape their lives from the machinations of gender identities, in a way that is unorganic, superficial, and sacrificing of their authentic personality. Like I said before, there is a problem people have with wildly attributing everything a person can do with the gender they are identified as. And with the attention to detail removed, and the social ramifications that transpire as a result of viligication, damnation, or condenscention, I think our current ideas related to masculine/feminine ideas inevitably produce a public that is aroused with hatred, indignation and upheaval.

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    • Following up, thought about it. That basis is probably not good either. But my point remains the same otherwise. There should be an effort to make to make things more sensible.

  • we can take the psychological concept of toxic masculinity and formulate a female version sure.
    ex.
    - a woman should be so submissive to a part that they allow themselves to be mistreated
    - a woman is so reliant on a male that they should feel that in a divorce they shouldn't work to be self-sufficient but still reliant on the former spouse

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    • Unfortunately, not doing that is still out of the norm in many societies and imposed on women in patriarchal societies.

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  • Hell yes! There's the whole complex some women have that they are better than men and can therefore control them. There's women who bitch and hate on other women rather than facing their own insecurities. There's loads of examples of toxic femininity, people are just too chicken shit to admit it.

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    • Good for you. You're brave. And one of those chicken shit pinks downvoted you.

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  • I love being a woman and I don’t hate men. I enjoy being feminine. I don’t hate men or to persecute them.

    Lots of feminists don’t like me because I believe in equality but still enjoy chivalry and femininity

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  • I see two types of toxicity among females. One is an inferior complex leading to misogynistic acts and bitter behavior towards other women, ESPECIALLY DAUGHTER. For example, a little girl wanted to go to college and be a school teacher. But when she was 16 she got married off with some distant cousin, forcibly. They didn't let her finish high school. And when she had daughters in future and the girls wanted to get higher education and career, she scolds them saying stuff like 'what a big mouth you got for being a girl! Going to college? For what? Listen you will get married and give birth to one child per year anyway. Don't teach me independence.' Basically, these women have been victims of patriarchal society themselves and pass on that trait to their kids solely out of bitterness. It happens a plenty lot where I live.

    Another one is the type that I don't see a lot, but they do exist. I never really saw anything called 'toxic femininity' but I have seen people getting overboard with modern/feminist ideologies. Remember, excess of anything is not good!

    There are toxic/corrupt people in both genders but I kept that out of this answer since I solely wanted to focus on things that are more peculiar to women.

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    • I swear men call us sensitive but they downvoted literally anything that they don't wanna hear.

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    • Listen up right here, dude. I don't think with my mouth like y'all do. 'If toxic masculinity can exist then why not toxic femininity? I'm gonna list everything I hate as toxic femininity' think with your brain then talk to me.

    • Also... Gradgrind vibes, anyone? Someone has to get it.

  • There can be toxicity on either side. It occurs when the qualities that are generally associated with the gender are exaggerated and taken advantage of in such a way that is harmful to others, as well as to the person exhibiting the behaviors. People feel obligated to fit the “ideal” for their gender, without realizing that it’s not really an ideal at all.

    Examples of toxic femininity would include a woman putting another woman down for her appearance, or acting completely helpless and expecting people to do things for her, or hurting people and then saying that she’s not capable of doing so.

    The reason that people talk about toxic masculinity more is because it’s more common. This is because it’s become more accepted for women to act more “masculine.” Women can wear men’s clothes and do men’s jobs without ridicule. For men, the same is not true, and thus they still feel the aforementioned pressure to fit an arbitrary standard. It’s very easy to take things too far. This usually stems from insecurity, and an effort to avoid ridicule. Femininity is still considered an insult in our society, as it is associated with weakness.

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  • Put simply, toxic masculinity is fighting, brawling, etc. Toxic femininity is destroying someone's social status, relationships, etc through manipulation and rumours.

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    • There is no toxic *insert gender here"nity! There is good and there is bad behavior.

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    • It’s also using your gender to your advantage

    • I wouldn't be surprised Toxic Feminity would be to much femine female. :D They want every female to be like feminists shaved head and glasses, blue hair, single or lesbian.

  • Feeling that you need to be pretty in order to be liked.
    To be taught to be submissive.
    To change our looks in order to look more attractive to others not just for ourselves.
    Being skinny is best.
    Smile more.
    You are over reacting "don't be hysterical"
    We are told not to be upset if our partner is openly perving on other women. "You're just insecure".

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    • I'll add that I was laughed at the other day by having an opinion that I am happy with the way I look and wouldn't change a thing.
      When I looked at this ladies facebook profile she was as fake as a Barbie doll.
      Fake tan.
      Fake lashes.
      Hair extensions.
      Lip fillers.
      Fake boobs.
      Caked on make up.

      "I An't plastic call me classic"

  • I think so. The need for, lets say, mothers to apply seemingly feminine traits onto their daughters, such as cooking, cleaning, being a “housewife” and raising kids. That women are meant to serve and obey their husbands.

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  • Femininity in itself is not toxic, but it might be toxic in a way that is used.

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  • Of course it exists

    This woman explains it well

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8QE3B_rG9w

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    • It's true I studied in closed school group with 8 guys and 13 girls and girls. You could see how girls picked one girl and bullied her and she was rejected by other girls. Of course not physically , but by words, and ignoring her, envy for her beauty and so on...

    • God I love this woman! She explained that so explicitly she couldn't have done it any better. And I adore her aesthetic with the roses and red lipstick

    • @Idonthaveausername Her style is very lovely. Reminds of 1930s movies.

  • Yeah, those moms who are overly protective, using crying to manipulate, being pasive agressive about everything, being too looks oriented (being obsessed with cleanness, having nice stuff and being materialistic in general and so on), gossiping too much, expecting the man to always do all the hard work because you are a woman and you can only do x stuff.

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  • Why is this even a question? Everything in moderation. People without balance of their traits and behaviors can become toxic, whether consciously or not. So I don't think being masculine or feminine itself is toxic. But there are toxic PEOPLE who have partake in either side.

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  • I don't think there is toxic masculunity and I don't think there is toxic femininity.

    There is good and there is bad behavior. To add a gender label to it is implying that the other gender doesn't do it and that a person is more likely to act that way just because of their gender. Which is not true by any means.

    So no it doesn't exist. Toxic behavior yes, toxic whatever gender no!

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  • Traditional femininity used and expressed in ways that is harmful to themselves and/or others

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    • Which traditions from which societies? 1950's housewife is not traditional because its already modernist. Modernists claim so much about traditions being harmful, I would like to see them name traditions and from which societies.

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    • You might be a priest telling me heresy is a thing, that doesn't make it a valid concept to me.

  • there's no such thing as toxic masculinity or fememnity. Whats toxic, are those who chose to take those thing and use them as a tool to be assholes. Thats why most guys and girls aren't assholes. Its all about how the individual proceeds to act upon such things. A man can be as masculine as he wants, the whole package, beard, muscles, eats nails without any milk for breakfast, and women can be as feminine as they want, wear makeup and so fourth and they can be the nicest of people. BUT! The world will always have those who go extreme and make something out to be something that its not for their own personal gain.

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  • Yh 98% of them are toxic too. Female toxicity is anything from gold digging to replying to a guy who’s being honest about his feelings only to get the dishonest reply back of “I have a boyfriend” newsflash girls we stalk Facebook too and check before we ask so we know your lying.

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  • If toxic masculinity exits than the opposite must also be true so toxic femininity also exist. For me toxic femininity is when a woman uses her woman card to get out of things.

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  • Yes, If there is Toxic masculinity then there must be Toxic feminity

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  • What kind of nutter would say Toxic Femininisty doesn't exist?

    Like seriously.. Women = Perfect... lol... no.

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  • I prefer the term toxic attitudes rather than always trying to demonize each gender's nature.

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  • I think toxic femininity should be added as another synonym for feminism...

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  • Yes it does.

    I think femininity at its purest form is a woman's basic instincts: to nuture, to feel, to understand, to have strength, resilient. If women, including myself, can tap into that vulnerability, we can and continue to take over the world!

    True feminine energy isn't dominance, its strength. Acting out, being evil, being manipulative is using our femininity in the wrong way. Using our femininity is listening with our heart, analyzing with our. minds, then finding a middle ground. We are tough, but we dont realize that we are built stronger. Each woman, can add on their own flair.

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  • Yes there is I have been on the receiving end of it, there has been some extreme feminists who have become complete hypocrites to me by basing my value on my gender when they hate it when that happens to them.

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  • I don't think it exists. Same way i don't think toxic masculinity exists. There's just feminininity and masculinity.

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  • I don't think either toxic femininity or masculinity exist because I think it's pretty bad to describe innate masculine or female traits as toxic

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  • I think there are some things that really suck about being a chick. But no, I don’t think there is such a thing as “toxic femininity”, or “toxic masculinity” for that matter.

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  • Feminism was created for equal rights. Anything beyond that has created a toxic society.

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  • There's no toxic femininity nor masculinity, there's toxic people and those who generalize those toxic people

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  • Traditional femininity being forced on people.
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    ~ Mrs Manson

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  • Toxic Femininity is the exact opposite of Toxic masculinity. Saying and acting like masculinity is poison.

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  • Everybody likes women and femininity.
    For that matter, there's no such thing as toxic-masculinity either - just a bunch of made-up tripe by the FI.

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  • One.. for one to exist so must the other.. two, proof of its existence, 70% of all child deaths are at the hands of the mother alone, 71% of all child abuse is at the hands of the mother, 71% of all child neglect is at the hands of the mother.

    Some of the absolutely worst things come from single mother homes, for example most of the recent mass shootings, the shooter came from a single mother home.

    No I'm not bagging on women here, the reality of the matter, when the mother is gone children fo worse, when the father is gone, children do worse. Femininity and masculinity are both needed as a balance.

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    • I would follow up by saying that I dont believe in either, I just think there are toxic people regardless of gender.

  • Cos personality defined at birth can be tweaked to suit relationships... some partnerships from toxic... can end up loving caring and sexy

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  • Toxic femininity exists as does toxic masculinity. Toxoc femininity is what feminism is.

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  • Toxic Femininity is the same as toxic masculinity.

    The best example I have of it is child beauty pageants. Mothers teaching their daughters that being beautiful is a competition that they need to win. Mothers who force this idea that they won't get any attention if they don't look good. To the point where they start plucking their daughters eyebrows, and drench them in lipstick, spray tan, and eye shadow when they're only 9. Dressing them up like an "air hostess" and have them dance in a way that makes insecurity and desperation the only competitive aspect to it.

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  • Of course - all those feminazis running around calling themselves feminists...

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  • I hate feminism. It's what making me impossible to approach women

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  • No it doesn't exist, just as toxic masculinity doesn't exist

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  • Yes, absolutely.

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  • Yeah, it's called 3rd wave feminism.

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  • Once a month toxic femininity hits.

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  • Yes, toxic femininity exists

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  • Takes tooo long to explain toxic femininity 😔

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  • Both exist, yeah

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  • Yes the fuck there is

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  • There are toxic people. That's all.

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  • Probably 3rd wave feminism in a nutshell.

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  • Feminism is toxic feminity

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  • Nope there isn’t

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  • There is no toxic femininity or masculinity.

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  • The girl in the picture looks fucking based!

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