I don't see why it cannot exist, we can conceptualize anything. It's just whether or not or concepts are correct or truthful.
I don't know if the idea has been developed. The only types of institutions producing thoughts related to gender subjects are generally the feminist studies of universities. These institutions are usually very idealogical, bias and the main thing feminism produces at the moment is man hating rhetoric. I don't know anywhere else these ideas would be developed. I don't think that such a development would even produce much success or validity, especially in practical utility. Like, feminism generally has no validity but it's really useful for throwing bricks at the car windows of men.
I would suggest that the basic oversimplified version of toxic masculinity is a failure. It looks at unfavourable male specific behaviour , attributes it to masculinity and POW! A bogus thesis is created. I don't think that the theories really have much relation to the concept of masculinity/femininity, at best the definitions pertain to behaviours among males/females in society. In that regard, stripped of relation to concepts of masculinity/fuemininity, it's generally acceptable, just a bit confusing. And I am sure that it's not hard to identify bad behaviours specific to women and then throw them under scrutiny of a femininity umbrella term.
Personally, I think that these terms should be used in a frame of psychological study. I don't think that it's reasonable to equate all female behaviours as femininity. Instead, the basis I would use is what behaviours or mindsets have been instigated directly or indirectly as a result of a people conforming to notions of societal standards of masculinity/femininity. So, like a man buying a motor cycle for no other reason than to look manly. Or at least something that would cut off the excess we see with stuff like man spreading being called toxic masculinity, which is neither toxic or masculine and has only one relation to gender and that is that men do or can do it.
I think among both sexes you can find a good long list of pathological mindsets and among those you will find people who act the way they do and can not act independantly from the indirect or direct influence of social constructions or other environmental social influences. I think that among women you will find people that shape their lives from the machinations of gender identities, in a way that is unorganic, superficial, and sacrificing of their authentic personality. Like I said before, there is a problem people have with wildly attributing everything a person can do with the gender they are identified as. And with the attention to detail removed, and the social ramifications that transpire as a result of viligication, damnation, or condenscention, I think our current ideas related to masculine/feminine ideas inevitably produce a public that is aroused with hatred, indignation and upheaval.
Following up, thought about it. That basis is probably not good either. But my point remains the same otherwise. There should be an effort to make to make things more sensible.
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we can take the psychological concept of toxic masculinity and formulate a female version sure. ex. - a woman should be so submissive to a part that they allow themselves to be mistreated - a woman is so reliant on a male that they should feel that in a divorce they shouldn't work to be self-sufficient but still reliant on the former spouse
Hell yes! There's the whole complex some women have that they are better than men and can therefore control them. There's women who bitch and hate on other women rather than facing their own insecurities. There's loads of examples of toxic femininity, people are just too chicken shit to admit it.
So true. Modern feminists are masculine. There's nothing feminine about burning your bra and shaving your head. Modern feminists are toxic, but not because they're women. They're toxic because they don't want to be women
I see two types of toxicity among females. One is an inferior complex leading to misogynistic acts and bitter behavior towards other women, ESPECIALLY DAUGHTER. For example, a little girl wanted to go to college and be a school teacher. But when she was 16 she got married off with some distant cousin, forcibly. They didn't let her finish high school. And when she had daughters in future and the girls wanted to get higher education and career, she scolds them saying stuff like 'what a big mouth you got for being a girl! Going to college? For what? Listen you will get married and give birth to one child per year anyway. Don't teach me independence.' Basically, these women have been victims of patriarchal society themselves and pass on that trait to their kids solely out of bitterness. It happens a plenty lot where I live.
Another one is the type that I don't see a lot, but they do exist. I never really saw anything called 'toxic femininity' but I have seen people getting overboard with modern/feminist ideologies. Remember, excess of anything is not good!
There are toxic/corrupt people in both genders but I kept that out of this answer since I solely wanted to focus on things that are more peculiar to women.
The fact is, men will downvoted an opinion that they don't like even if it's the truth. I gain nothing from lying on this website and why should I even talk about something that I don't know? 🤷 Seriously the kind of woman I described here is every Brown mom ever.
Some will come to me and say 'This is America' no Craig, this is g@g, and if anything this website is probably Turkey since that's where the founder of this website is from.
Your opinion can't be correct unless it alligns with facts and facts only. And since the definition of toxic femininity is an entirely subjective one, you'll have a hard time finding facts.
Listen up right here, dude. I don't think with my mouth like y'all do. 'If toxic masculinity can exist then why not toxic femininity? I'm gonna list everything I hate as toxic femininity' think with your brain then talk to me.
There can be toxicity on either side. It occurs when the qualities that are generally associated with the gender are exaggerated and taken advantage of in such a way that is harmful to others, as well as to the person exhibiting the behaviors. People feel obligated to fit the “ideal” for their gender, without realizing that it’s not really an ideal at all.
Examples of toxic femininity would include a woman putting another woman down for her appearance, or acting completely helpless and expecting people to do things for her, or hurting people and then saying that she’s not capable of doing so.
The reason that people talk about toxic masculinity more is because it’s more common. This is because it’s become more accepted for women to act more “masculine.” Women can wear men’s clothes and do men’s jobs without ridicule. For men, the same is not true, and thus they still feel the aforementioned pressure to fit an arbitrary standard. It’s very easy to take things too far. This usually stems from insecurity, and an effort to avoid ridicule. Femininity is still considered an insult in our society, as it is associated with weakness.
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I think there's different kinds of toxic femininity.
The first is the pressure to be ultra feminine. The pressure to be thin yet curvy, dress attractive but not slutty. Wear makeup but dont wear too much. You'll never be thin enough, busty enough, fit enough, pretty enough. This is usually imposed by society.
The other kind is toxic femininity is women tearing other women down. Example is the "I'm not like OTHER girls " girl. She thinks she's special because she reads books and doesn't wear make up. She bashes women who enjoy make up or enjoy dresses and the color pink.
Every woman is valid reguardless of her personal style or hobbies.
there's no such thing as toxic masculinity or fememnity. Whats toxic, are those who chose to take those thing and use them as a tool to be assholes. Thats why most guys and girls aren't assholes. Its all about how the individual proceeds to act upon such things. A man can be as masculine as he wants, the whole package, beard, muscles, eats nails without any milk for breakfast, and women can be as feminine as they want, wear makeup and so fourth and they can be the nicest of people. BUT! The world will always have those who go extreme and make something out to be something that its not for their own personal gain.
I think femininity at its purest form is a woman's basic instincts: to nuture, to feel, to understand, to have strength, resilient. If women, including myself, can tap into that vulnerability, we can and continue to take over the world!
True feminine energy isn't dominance, its strength. Acting out, being evil, being manipulative is using our femininity in the wrong way. Using our femininity is listening with our heart, analyzing with our. minds, then finding a middle ground. We are tough, but we dont realize that we are built stronger. Each woman, can add on their own flair.
Put simply, toxic masculinity is fighting, brawling, etc. Toxic femininity is destroying someone's social status, relationships, etc through manipulation and rumours.
I wouldn't be surprised Toxic Feminity would be to much femine female. :D They want every female to be like feminists shaved head and glasses, blue hair, single or lesbian.
Feeling that you need to be pretty in order to be liked. To be taught to be submissive. To change our looks in order to look more attractive to others not just for ourselves. Being skinny is best. Smile more. You are over reacting "don't be hysterical" We are told not to be upset if our partner is openly perving on other women. "You're just insecure".
I'll add that I was laughed at the other day by having an opinion that I am happy with the way I look and wouldn't change a thing. When I looked at this ladies facebook profile she was as fake as a Barbie doll. Fake tan. Fake lashes. Hair extensions. Lip fillers. Fake boobs. Caked on make up.
One.. for one to exist so must the other.. two, proof of its existence, 70% of all child deaths are at the hands of the mother alone, 71% of all child abuse is at the hands of the mother, 71% of all child neglect is at the hands of the mother.
Some of the absolutely worst things come from single mother homes, for example most of the recent mass shootings, the shooter came from a single mother home.
No I'm not bagging on women here, the reality of the matter, when the mother is gone children fo worse, when the father is gone, children do worse. Femininity and masculinity are both needed as a balance.
Yeah because not going to school, getting married before age 12, superstitions surrounding menstruation are totally not toxic! They should be brought back.
Umm, ingratitude can honestly come from anyone, be it a traditional woman not being grateful enough for her husband for being the family's breadwinner or the husband not being grateful enough for his wife's hard work at home.
Toxic Femininity is the same as toxic masculinity.
The best example I have of it is child beauty pageants. Mothers teaching their daughters that being beautiful is a competition that they need to win. Mothers who force this idea that they won't get any attention if they don't look good. To the point where they start plucking their daughters eyebrows, and drench them in lipstick, spray tan, and eye shadow when they're only 9. Dressing them up like an "air hostess" and have them dance in a way that makes insecurity and desperation the only competitive aspect to it.
Why is this even a question? Everything in moderation. People without balance of their traits and behaviors can become toxic, whether consciously or not. So I don't think being masculine or feminine itself is toxic. But there are toxic PEOPLE who have partake in either side.
Yeah, those moms who are overly protective, using crying to manipulate, being pasive agressive about everything, being too looks oriented (being obsessed with cleanness, having nice stuff and being materialistic in general and so on), gossiping too much, expecting the man to always do all the hard work because you are a woman and you can only do x stuff.
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Women don’t really use their femininity the way men use their masculinity. If they did they’d be like an evil killer seductress like Poison Ivy.
It's true I studied in closed school group with 8 guys and 13 girls and girls. You could see how girls picked one girl and bullied her and she was rejected by other girls. Of course not physically , but by words, and ignoring her, envy for her beauty and so on...
God I love this woman! She explained that so explicitly she couldn't have done it any better. And I adore her aesthetic with the roses and red lipstick
Fuck off with this toxic bullshit, there is no such thing as toxic masculinity or femininity, the term toxic masculinity was brewed up by women who want to justify their burning passion for sexism against men and the term toxic femininity was just a random word to try (and fail) to counteract that, in reality we just gotta stop all the hate all together, and a good way to start is by ignoring these hardcore man hating feminists because they are the root of most of this hate
Which traditions from which societies? 1950's housewife is not traditional because its already modernist. Modernists claim so much about traditions being harmful, I would like to see them name traditions and from which societies.
1. Long hair praise —Mothers are willing to do damage to their daughters’ hair if it is not naturally compliant to the feminine standards of beauty. And then their daughters grow up doing the same to their future daughters, including shaming the ones who may not particularly enjoy longer hair.
2. Extreme look at emotional expression —Women pressuring men to express themselves while simultaneously bullying each other for showing “too much” emotion.
—Women encouraging each other to use their emotions as a manipulative tactic to get men to bend to their will
3. Coerced submission —Women deterring each other from wanting anything outside of biblical-like femininity.
—Women encouraging each other to tolerate abuse for the sake of staying in their place or not rocking the boat
—Mothers discouraging their daughters from out-vocalizing their male counterparts
4. Laziness —Women encouraging each other to rely on men in the most grotesque way, such as actively seeking out “sugar daddies” and taking advantage of men’s attraction by selling their bodies (via webcam sexwork or regular prostitution).
These are not traditions. Tradition comes from the latin word 'tradere' which means to pass on from generation to generation. Obvious traditionally developed practices are yoga, fasting, meditation. Modernism fails again.
@esotericstory They are repeated actions that have been considered normal and acceptable within the community of women. So yes they are traditions among women. These acceptable behaviors and expectations have definitely been passed from generation to generation. Maybe it’s just something that men do not notice... because they are men with their own issues and troubles.
Traditions can only go from one generation to the next if they withstand the test of time. The oldest traditions are therefore the most beneficial. A tradition thats not beneficial in some form is not gonna last long.
@esotericstory These traditions are very beneficial as most of them have the end goal of attracting or pleasing men. And that’s what most women want, and that is why women have always been competitive with each other.
The thing is... the are TOXIC behaviors that are derived from traditional femininity or the idea of what traditional femininity is.
I live in America. No matter how liberal the GP want to get, the religious shadow will still exist. America really isn’t quite as progressive as you think. And the fact that these female traditions still exist is just one tiny example.
@esotericstory Yes. Okay? 😂 That doesn’t mean that the religious shadow does not exist—because it does, very much so. It’s just not as extreme as other places in the world.
Toxic femininity is a thing. I don’t know what else to tell you 😂
I don't think there is toxic masculunity and I don't think there is toxic femininity.
There is good and there is bad behavior. To add a gender label to it is implying that the other gender doesn't do it and that a person is more likely to act that way just because of their gender. Which is not true by any means.
So no it doesn't exist. Toxic behavior yes, toxic whatever gender no!
Yh 98% of them are toxic too. Female toxicity is anything from gold digging to replying to a guy who’s being honest about his feelings only to get the dishonest reply back of “I have a boyfriend” newsflash girls we stalk Facebook too and check before we ask so we know your lying.
I think so. The need for, lets say, mothers to apply seemingly feminine traits onto their daughters, such as cooking, cleaning, being a “housewife” and raising kids. That women are meant to serve and obey their husbands.
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I honestly don't believe that either gender is toxic. There is no toxic masculinity and there is no toxic femininity. It's just stupid to believe that. What I do believe is very real is toxic feminism. There is no need for it. It's just hatred towards all men and certain types of women. It only does harm.
Femininity in itself is not toxic, but it might be toxic in a way that is used.
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I have no idea what toxic femininity even is. There are women who are toxic, but that has nothing to do with femininity.
Some gender norms can be toxic, especially historically. Like how women weren't allowed to vote. Or currently, like how men are pussies when they cry or show any emotion, and women are sluts if they hit on guys instead of waiting coyly. Or like how guys can't wear skirts, while women can wear everything.
If toxic masculinity exits than the opposite must also be true so toxic femininity also exist. For me toxic femininity is when a woman uses her woman card to get out of things.
I think there are some things that really suck about being a chick. But no, I don’t think there is such a thing as “toxic femininity”, or “toxic masculinity” for that matter.
Yes there is I have been on the receiving end of it, there has been some extreme feminists who have become complete hypocrites to me by basing my value on my gender when they hate it when that happens to them.
Of course man. Women (IN GENERAL) are just as violent, abusive, and evil as some men. The only difference is that society generally ignores it or excuses it.
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