I personally feel that feminism is a bad term. If the movement is truly about equality, then why put an emphasis on females. I understand there may be things wrong with society towards females, but that still doesn't excuse it. Especially since it has turned lopsided with women trying to have almost the rights over men.
It doesn't help men, it doesn't even help women. I am all for women breaking barriers and having good pay and to be taken seriously. But if a girl is a feminist and acts like a b**** then she's no different then the guys/men she complains about who are assholes.
4th wave feminism does not help men, and in many ways it can actively harm them (especially when it dovetails with adjacent movements... like #metoo... and 'cancel culture', etc.).
Classical feminism (ie: equality of opportunity for both genders) is a net positive for both men and women; since it gives everyone a chance to contribute their most potent skills to society (whether in career, or in child-raising, or personal passions/ the arts, etc.)
Feminism helps no one but the fat angry pinkhairs who have used it to outwardly justify why no one likes or wants to date them, instead of looking at themselves as the problem.
I always laugh when women say this. See how stupid women think that men are when they are the dumbest creatures worldwide. Yeah sure feminism helps men. It helps men to shut up. And be controlled by ball-busting, bitchy women. Being unable to tell a joke. It helps men to just sit quiet while a woman throws objects and punches at them.
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First of all, ignorant guys (including their fake female profiles) should learn that femi-nazis are not feminists, they are female supremacists and misandrists.
How did feminism help men? Women have became much more confident, it helped men achieve better relationships and more satisfying sex (I know that incels are butt-hurt about that).
@Aiko_E_Lara Oh the asker did? No he didn't, you just proved how dumb you are. I deleted your ignorant comment, and I always will, cause you don't know anything about the truth. I talk only with smart men, who know the difference between feminism and femi-nazism, and who know that egalitarianism is equality in some other terms, not just gender based. I know that word "sex" bothers you cause you're a pathetic incel, but hey, what can you do ;) Good bye, don't bother to troll again, because you'll get deleted, along with all of your fake profiles, both male and female :)
@Syrian_survivor Not as stupid as you, cause it takes just one small movement for me to delete your spam, while it takes more effort for you to troll around, well, there are some male feminists in here, why don't you ask them how did feminism help them... bye bye :)
My question was about how feminism helps men achieve better relationships and sex (which I guess you've since deleted.. okay?). Are saying that because feminism makes women more confident, that men have better relationships *because* their partners are more confident? I'm just trying to ascertain your reasoning on this. Usually when one makes a claim, one gives some kind of supporting argument for why the claim is valid. What's the supporting argument for feminism improving men's relationships and sex life?
@SomeGuyCalledTom Ok, I'll give you one more chance to understand. I know many guys who are in happy relationships with strong women who are feminists (not femi-nazis like those ugly & fat freaks with purple hair).
Would you, as a man, prefer a confident woman, or a crybaby? Would you like a woman who would take initiative and ask you for a date, or would you rather embarrass yourself by getting rejected? Would you rather be with a woman who would work and contribute to the family, or would you rather have a burden of financially supporting the family all by yourself? I hope you understand now :)
-- I'd prefer a confident woman, and have met many such women. Some may consider themselves feminist, some may not (frankly, I never asked, it doesn't really affect my decision of whether I wanna keep seeing a girl). I don't believe confidence comes from a political ideology, it comes from how one conducts one's life. But sure, gender equality tends to produce more capable, self-assured individuals, as opposed to tyrannical societies where women have no rights or are viewed as "inferior" to men. So let's say we're on the same page here.
-- It makes no difference to me whether she asks me on a date first; if I'm interested, chances are I'll ask her out first as I'm quite direct in my intentions. I've had girls approach me before, but it didn't seem like a feminist thing, they were just comfortable in their own skin and not playing games
-- if a woman wants to support our (theoretical) family financially, in addition to my own financial providing, then I've got nothing specific against that, and I do not want to marry some gold digging whore who just runs off with the fruits of my labour at the first chance. So in a broad sense I agree with what you're getting at here. Although I can also see the benefits of a marriage where man works full time, while woman provides "full time" child-rearing, home-keeping, etc. In either case, the division of labour should add up to around 50/50. I'm also fine couples who have the man stay at home with kids and the woman is the sole breadwinner. It's not a relationship model I would want for myself, but if those couples like that arrangement and it works for them and the kids, then more power to them. I suspect they will never constitute the majority of couples, and in some ways are kinda "outlier" cases. But I don't hold anything against them for their choices.
So, I'm still not convinced that feminism directly and measurably improves men's relationships and sex life. But I can, if nothing else, appreciate your reasoning that's brought you to such conclusion. Thankyou for clarifying your position. Best wishes :)
@OrangeBoy2 I'd appreciate you not to invoke spam on my opinion by that pathetic loser who can't tell the difference between feminism and femi-nazism, who misuses the term "egalitarianism", because he doesn't know what that really is, and who is a quasi-philosopher, who always uses "ad hominem" bullshit because he doesn't know what else to say, cause he is too ignorant to say anything smart. It's always important who said it, I strictly differentiate words of a dumb person (who doesn't know anything about the subject and can't tell apart different terms) and smart person (who knows the differences between those terms). Pseudo-science of various mgtow freaks on youtube is not an argument. I hope you understand, I won't tolerate trolling and spamming anymore :)
@OrangeBoy2 From him? Only a psychiatrist could have learned certain mental problems in incels, but I doubt there are any psychiatrists on the GaG ;) Ok, nice talking to you :)
They type of men that enjoy having hedonistic sex with stupid sluts
Yeah, those guys are fking rolling in it right now, more than ever before. The empowered mom will ditch her kid for 5 minutes of tyrone's big blackie assuming she even has kids, because she can just KILL EM!
Basically, feminism has strengthened all the worst traits in men. Now, the successful man must be one of two varieties to succeed with the average girl. The player, or the appeaser.
My version of being a feminist is about equality for both men and women. For example I take males that were victims of abuse just as seriously as a women. I would encourage men to express their feelings more (because thats one of the reasons a lot of men commit suicide, because of toxic masculinity). Also I believe if a women punches a man he is 100% ok to defend himself.
That's not the problem at all. Women stabbing us in the back after we've provided for them is what causes men to kill themselves. If women weren't so overly critical of men we wouldn't have the pressure on our shoulders to make absolutely no mistake, no hesitation, and never lapse in our better judgement in front of our woman, should she think we are inferior and as a result, cheat on us with a more worthy man.
Sorry but feminism is a load of crap that's just designed to ruin how things naturally work and make everyone's lives miserable with the same stone. No doubt it was created by women who wanted to watch the world burn.
The psychology behind being a man and women. Feminism pits men against their own nature that not only creates dissonance inside us but also pussifies us. And in doing so, it jepordizes the nature of women, because women are not psychologically attracted to pussy men.
@sunchips I'm a psychology student and a feminist and you are just wrong. I would explain to you how you are wrong but you don't seem to be the open minded type. Your belief about what toxic masculinity is and what feminism is seems to be set in stone
I am also a psychology student, although it has been a while. I come to conclusions based on facts and I pursue plausable outcomes. I have field research to back up my claims. Although I am interested in why you believe I am wrong. Tell me just for the sake of proving to me that you know what you are talking about. Even if we disagree, I can't help but respect an intellectual. So please, enlighten me.
Not realizing that claiming feminism is about quality only proves inequality. I'd care to elaborate. So let me ask you what's the male counter part of feminism? and what's the counterpart of equality? If you can give me that answer then that will only prove superiority. Ignoring the fact that there is a middle ground to it. You're not saying feminism is equality. You're just saying that our gender is superior and the rightful ones and of course they think it's fair for whatever bias reasons.
I fail to see how the first sentence applies. The next bit also confuses me. If meninism is the opposite of feminism, and inequality is the opposite of equality, I fail to see how knowing those answers proves superiority to you. And superiority to what? Are you saying I'm superior for knowing the answer? Or that the answers together equal superiority? I fail to see the correlation. Please explain your logic. I never said females were superior. I said they were genetically inclined to act a certain way, as men are their own. As for anything after "the rightful ones.." I can't make it out. It's gibberish.
Do it. I wanna talk for real. We need to establish what we define feminism as. This will avoid senseless babblings and assumptions by hot headed fools such as the one above.
Nice attempt of private messaging there. It's just like the clan of brainwashing making people ignorant about the public in society. By the way why not choose to speak out in public and see how many agrees with you?
Y'all are arguing that her personal interpretation is incorrect because it doesn't line up with the popular views of feminism. It doesn't have to, though, if it's just how she puts a name to her views on gender.
Jesus. I go to study and this is what i come to find 😂 Look idc what you guys say, but if I want to say im a feminist than I say that. I believe that each gender should be able to do things at the other gender can. If a women wants to work or be a housewife than go ahead. If a man wants to be a house dad or work than ok. Either way we should try to help one another rather than tear eachother down
by the way Aiko_E_Lara, I don't want to the feminist having to argue with 3 non/anti feminists at the same time and i frankly don't care to hear the opinions of people whining "feminism is cancer! feminism is misandry!"
I've already tried having a discussion with you about feminism and to honest, you were a complete asshole. You didn't listen to me, you would repeatedly ask the same question as if i never answered it, even though i did and u just didn't like my answer. Having a one-on-one discussion with someone shouldn't be the fucking nightmare it was with you. you were completely disrespectful and irrational while I tried my best to be nice and comprehensive
@Staiby "i frankly don't care to hear the opinions of people whining "feminism is cancer! feminism is misandry!" <--- Just like being comfortable with their own ignorance? I'd say go ahead and not care. We already know what that means. And ironically speaking coming from a movement who screams "men are rapists and misogynistic pigs" who invents the word mansplaining by womansplaining it to everyone.
@Aiko_E_Lara who screams that? you can't just attribute those quotes to a whole movement when that movement is made up of individuals with their own ideas, their own forms of feminism and identify with different schools of feminism, schools that contradict each other so it's impossible to identify with all of them. that's why I blocked you because u're so ignorant and uninformed
@Staiby You asked who? It doesn't take a genius. It's so called feminists who do that. And yeah calling me ignorant as an excuse to block is really lame by the way. Like trying to dismiss argument by calling me ignorant when I literally presented something you were in denial about. And yes they're feminists. They claimed to be feminists. As the history shown that women started feminism because they feel "oppressed" is just like how those feminists feel. You like "I'm so oppressed because I'm cat called" Oh yeah so oppressed because men don't have any problems.
I can already hear you saying "those aren't feminists" yet the history of it still stands. Actively fighting for their rights which you think it's applicable these days?
@Staiby And that something I shown is what common people have seen. Not something from the very back of google where people can barely reach.
Just because many people agreed, doesn't mean it's fact? Is that your justification? If so, what makes you say you're being truthful? Because it says so in your book? Puhlese this isn't all about your book. If that's what you're saying then everyone is wrong and you don't realize how that make you sound.
@Staiby I'm so ignorant and uninformed just like billions of people on this planet. Of course because we're living in a real world. Where's your world?
@Aiko_E_Lara i asked you for the names of people who have said what you claim feminists have said. I asked you to put names to those quotes instead of just unnamed anonymous sources. and you have failed to do that. not just failed but you are probably avoiding doing it because you can't name a specific person who has said "men are pigs" etc.
I also blocked you because you go on a bullshit-rampage. just like you have just done know. assuming that I would use a no true Scotsman fallacy when I wouldn't. I openly disagree with other feminists but I wouldn't ever tell someone they're not a REAL feminist.
And yeah men have their own unique problems and suffer similar issues as women do. I'm aware and I'm still a feminist. Not despite men's problems but partly because of men's problems. here's a story about a man who is an ex men's rights activist and now a feminist. He still cares about the same problems that affect men but he realized that feminism had everything he needed. narratively.com/.../
and what fucking book are you talking about? u see. you go on a bullshit-rampage. this is why i gave up on talking to you
@Staiby Lol that source? He's a man's rights activists however we're an anti feminist because we are not getting brainwashed like him. Oh and by the way an angry men's rights activists is just like feminism. Both gendered counterparts. And for your lists of those who buzzfeed feminists who screams "men are misogynistic" Well here they are https://www.buzzfeed.com/tag/feminism You can see their names there and here's their video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuRTS9oFGwc&t=72s Ofcourse they're not named in there but there are still lists of feminists from buzzfeed I gave which has been destroyed by popular youtubers like Dr. Shaym https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuRTS9oFGwc&t=72s who also got support in Patreon https://www.patreon.com/DrShaym and also the ever popular Ben Shapiro who have been destroying that movement. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtsFHiaAuwM Go skip at 0:47.
"what fucking book are you talking about?" <-- The one you're talking about. And of course you don't remember it.
I mean you can't see their names in the video but the fact that you can see them and hear what they're talking about is not anonymous. So yeah there are many feminists from buzzfeed there and they're a few of those in the list.
@Staiby And by the way I thought you were done a long time ago. You don't wanna deal with 3 anti feminists you say? Because you're about to deal with thousands of them.
@Aiko_E_Lara Ben Shapiro is not someone to take seriously...
i watched 2 minutes of the first video and omg ffs that guy is an idiot. i dont know where to start. he says "buzzfeed is demonizing men" and the woman specifics that's she is talking about 'catcallers'. one woman talks about a construction worker commenting rudely on her tits and his response was "why do u care about what some low life thinks about u"... wtf he is such an idiot. she doesn't care what he thinks about her, she cares that she was cat called and wishes he didn't catcalled her. I've been catcalled about my tits and i dont care what they think about me. i care that it happened because it made me feel violated that someone thought they could make such an intimate comment about my breasts. It made me feel dirty. I doubt you'll ever be catcalled so you won't understand what it feels like. maybe you should listen to the people who have been catcalled when they tell you what it is like
and u know u make very little fucking sense. what fucking book are u fucking talking about?
U're right. i should stop talking to u. i don't know why i bothered to talk to u. u're a pain in the ass
@Staiby See? That proves it. We're all a pain in the ass. And we're all stupid. Just better not exist if that's the case. Like yes that's how feminists see the world. I mean according to you, saying hi is a catfish. Lol how oppressed. Here's the original video for you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_rgz7RX-WE&t=2s And tell me what threads you see
@Staiby Well guess what? I got I got cat called by my female classmates because my dick is showing and I don't care. Because I'm not a snowflake like you.
@Aiko_E_Lara you misconstrue what i say so severely you don't realize how ridiculous you are being. you tell me im getting triggered? u're the one who is getting triggered just because i called u a pain in the ass, making it a gender thing? who is "we"? u make no friggin sense.
@Staiby And you don't realize how ignorant you are. This is like clock work really. You called me a pain in the ass just because I claimed something *Shrugs* So I'm a pain in the ass? Jeez thanks. truth hurts by the way and you're just proved me right
@OfDeath my response to what you said is: equality is a feminist goal. equality is a component in feminist ideology and no single ideology or movement owns the concept of equality. black lives matter has equality as a component in the movement. egalitarianism has the component of equality.
@Staiby With all the propaganda just like saying MGTOW's goal is equality because of how much men is oppressed and feminists be hating. The hypocrisy is real.
@Staiby Oh really? Do you think it would automatically be different just because they said so when they obviously have the same principles and mechanics? In that case "feminism is about equality" <-- My response to that is "it's not like that. it's not the same."
@Staiby And how is it different? Or how is it not obvious? They both fight for "equality" PFF. You know like feminsts hating on men like in the video I presented? Yeah MGTOWs do those on women. Spreading their propaganda about women being gold diggers or some sort.
@Aiko_E_Lara i watched 2 minutes of the first vid and couldn't stand it anymore because the youtuber makes the dumbest arguments. but all i saw was women complaining about being catcalled. the focus was on cat callers and not ALLLLL men.
@Staiby And MGTWO "just" complaining about gold diggers and sluts right? Well sure they're complaining about cat calls but they just explained what catcalling is and according to them, It's saying "Hi" "Don't wear a demin jacket" and even compliments are cat calls now. Oh only if a guy does it he debunked it right there. And I still like how you're trying to dismiss arguments by calling everyone dumb. As it didn't work before, what makes you think it'l still work now?
@Staiby In other words they're talking about cat callers but explains what men do normally. And look at the original video again and comeback to me after you see the votes ratio.
@Staiby And what about women who cat calls? That's something they never even bothered doing. And I thought it's about equality. Like the asker's question "How does feminism help men?" <-- All I can say is they think cherry picking is their way to help men.
@Aiko_E_Lara i specified previously what was wrong and dumb about his arguments.
You make a very irrelevent comparison between feminist and MGTOW. they both 'complain' about stuff... really? best u got?
You can say hi in a sleazy way, getting up someone for the way they dress as you walk past them is harassment. i got told off very rudely to dye my hair while walking past that person.
Noun. catcall (plural catcalls) A shout or whistle expressing dislike, especially from a crowd or audience; a jeer, a boo. A shout, whistle, or comment of a sexual nature, usually made toward women. (historical) A whistle blown by a theatre-goer to express disapproval.
@Staiby Oh now I'm irrelevant? And ofcourse you don't think you're irrelevant for what ever reason. You're comparing equality to feminism. How could a gendered label be equality? Something that is gendered have their own counterpart to it FYI that is why MGTOW is a male version of feminism because? FYI they like to talk about men's suicide rate, men being told to man up, men losing the child custody, the double standards and so on like claiming men are so oppressed that they want "equality" just like what feminists do. So MGTOW claims their movement is equality. And yes that's the best I got and it doesn't take a genius to understand that.
"You can say hi in a sleazy way, getting up someone for the way they dress as you walk past them is harassment. i got told off very rudely to dye my hair while walking past that person." <-- As if women don't do that. Well they do but do we even care? Like what I said we're not snowflakes like them because it's a rights to do that. So what if a man says hi in "sleazy way"? Oh no that hurts your feelings and what are you gonna do? Kill him just for saying hi? It's just like an instinct of shooting someone just because someone said "fuck you" when you can just not care and not be a snowflake.
So what if he wasn't being "sleazy" at all but according to your feelings, he is? Accuse him of sexual harassment and have his life ruined? I thought this is equality.
@Aiko_E_Lara men's suicide. yeah men make up 80% of all suicide victims while women make up the majority of suicide attempts and experience more suicidal tendencies then men. Men use more lethal methods (gun shot to the head and jumping off of bridges) while women use less lethal methods like overdosing on pills. If you want to actually do something to fix the issue instead of whinging and bitching about women and feminism all day, you could advocate for gun restrictions because gun restrictions have been shown to lower suicide by gun rates
@Staiby "women make up the majority of suicide attempts" <-- to see if who really cares. Actually men does that too but does society care? I mean men are stronger and emotionless and not to mention a lot of women likes strong men. The article "women are wonderful effect" still stands.
@Staiby Whining about women? No. I'm whining about feminists whining about men's privilege. I'm an anti feminist not an anti women. There's a big difference before you start strawmanning
@Staiby Then go make that article if you wish. He used that article at the end of that video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO9nUBazWEg&t=181s Now I challenge you to spot someone who tried to disagree with him
@Staiby I don't think. I know. And by the way what happened to your logic? All you're doing right now is just saying things as and hope it'l become true like that's how the world works, Pff
@Aiko_E_Lara thats what uve been doing the entire time. saying things u want to be true and present weak ass evidence if u could even call it evidence.
@Staiby Or that's what "WE" have been doing the entire time. Like what you said all of my claims are stupid? Again sure it is stupid according to you. We're all stupid according to you. Hey at least what we do is so much better than just saying shit just because we don't like what they're saying or doing shit just because we don't like human rights.
@Staiby So you're gonna be in denial with all those people who are actually people making threads and supporting Shaym. Sure those people who voted are "weak ass people" Only those who down voted his videos are the rightful ones. You surly don't know what number's game is
So what happened to that "it should be called "women are wonderful WHEN effect"." "it's already in wiki's criticism section"?
Are those really your claims? Lets be real. You're not a goddess who makes things true by only saying it. And you're calling our evidence "weak ass" PFF.
@Staiby And lastly, you said you were done talking a along time ago because of those 3 anti feminists. That just proves you don't know what your saying.
So do I and I have something called time management. Just say you don't want to if you don't want to. Saying you have a life is not an excuse. Everyone does have.
Feminism doesn't help men at all it's just a lot of bullshit feminist do to shame men for being men and play the victim card whenever a guy tells her logic.
It helps us realize how inferior males are to females in every way and that we should serve women or obviously just kill our selves. It enforces the ideal that men are indeed completely worthless and should have been born female. It is why so many young boys are getting sex changes.
It is absolutely complete and utter rubbish as they don’t want equality in any way. If you need clarification, the first paragraph was pure sarcasm
Well for example feminists in Sweden pushed legislation that gave men an equal paternity leave as women have maternity leave so they can also be home with their children as they grow up.
Are they now? And besides for the purposes of the example I gave does it even matter? An equal maternity and paternity leave is the obvious feminist position, its just a question of being able to push through the legislation in question.
It doesn't. If it were actually about gender equality then it would.
When was the last time feminism advocated for men in the areas of life expectancy, mental health, resources for the homeless, prostate cancer, bias against men when it comes to the courts and custody, alimony? That's right, it doesn't.
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It has relieved men of the social obligation of relationships and marriage and has exposed the innate manipulative evil nature of women. Feminism has made men independent and free thus helping men and really screwing over women. Women now carry the full burden of reproduction and support while men can become minimalists.
In the past one wage was enough to sustain a family of 5-6 children. Now people complain both men and women working doesn't sustain even having 2 children.
@esotericstory One wage, but the man didn't work only 40 hours a week. 40 hours/week was NEVER enough to provide for a family of 5-6 children. Men in biblical times toiled in the blazing heat from sunrise to sundown, 12 hours a day, 6 days a week, to provide for their families
Let me tell you something. Before the French revolution workers had 82 days vacation a year. After it the workers only had 3 days vacation a month. Today, we have about 20 days vacation a year. The more there are leftist revolutions the more acquired rights we lose.
@esotericstory why did the French revolution happen? Could it be despite all those holidays the people were starving and paying huge taxes while the super rich did not. #letthemeatcake @mistixs men still do all the outside work and DIY plus thanks to modern conviences housework is a doodle. No more doing laundry by hand with washers & dryers, vacuums hoover dust up, detergents make cleaning quick and easy, ironing clothes is easy, electric cookers make cooking easy etc
Feminism gives women adult mentalities instead of childlike "I need you" attitude. Only strong men appreciate women who act like women instead of children who need to be controlled.
I'm sorry, what? For a start, that statement does not match my lived experience with feminism, which has actually attempted the opposite. Secondly - what man wants to effectively be a single father to an adult child?
@JSG4_ that isn't true. If it was, every men would support feminism which purpose is to relief and free women from men's domination. Domination that control both sexes except men benefit. Freeing from that would mean women independent physically, mentality, and emotionally
This is bizzar, and only reinforces the impression that feminism creates children who can't react rationally.
@foriWish dictionaries are descriptive not prescriptive. I invite you to look at urban dictionary so you can see how words are used by people other than yourself.
The issue with 'no true feminist' is that you can, if you wish to, never attribute anything to anyone who uses the label in a way you don't like. I have, for example, seen some 'feminists' claim that equality is not part of feminism because in some cases it disadvantages women.
Your church needs orthodoxy, and until you get it then you're doomed to being represented by your worst members.
@flowers70 I'm looking at my response and scratching my head, wondering where I asked for an explanation. If people don't want to talk about their ideas then they are free not to, but are naive if they think they won't be challenged.
@sheepdip Do you refer to transgenders by their desired pronoun? I know numerous people on this site and in real who do not. If they (and most likely you) can do it so can I when referring to REAL feminists. You can't just call people something they are not.
Women still act like children who make emotion based decisions though... well, from what I've observed anyway, there are an amount out there with some sense, not sure if they are really the majority though from everything I've seen.
@tree02 women and men both make emotional decisions. Its not like men only use logic and women only use emotion, we both use each one. The issue is that I've seen feminism try to justify the use of women's emotional decision making.
@sheepdip My point is, it's common sense one should not call people something they are not. I'm female. Just because I go around saying I'm male doesn't mean people should call me male. I don't have a penis, I do not have XY chromosome, I'm not as strong as a man, I don't carry sperm, etc. And just because you may call people something they are not doesn't mean many people will
@TreeO2 well obviously they aren't the majority, just as there are men who make decisions based on their emotions as well. Acting like children isn't gendered based
This conversation has meandered somewhat, but I do see your point (people are not necessarily what they label themselves) but I think you are missing mine (you don't get to decide what a real feminist is).
Its got nothing to do with common sense; the west borough Baptists are 'not true Christian's according to some, but they tick all the right boxes. Similarly feminists like Christina Hoff Summers, Germaine Greer and Camile Paligia have all been simultaneously praised as example of the best of feminism, and the worst of feminism.
Like I said earlier, your religion needs orthodoxy.
@sheepdip Yes I do get to label what a real feminist is because I base it on the definition. If a person is fighting for the equality of women; BOOM real feminist. Ohh he/she hates men and wants to destroy men; not a feminist but a sexist. It's that simple
It's sad 😢 that some females are not good mother's 💔 breaks my 💓 it brings a bad name on others sadly nothing can be done about it cause no one is perfect and no one has never done any wrong. But we try and those that do try often get the bad end of the stick cause it's so much easier just to lie and cheat then to. Accept things that happen and move forward
Feminism does nothing to help men. All it does is paint males as “stupid sex addict beasts” and they blame all their problems on some mythical patriarchy
It doesn't. xD they claim they want equality but since they assume by default that men are privileged, men won't profit untill they think they finally have enough rights for women, which won't ever happen.
You have to define feminism first. If you mean "equality feminism" then that helps men by lessening the assumption that we will pay for everything all the time. If you mean feminazism, then from what I can see that only helps men who want to shun the responsibility for the children they help create. It does it by pushing abortion-on-demand up to point of birth.
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I personally feel that feminism is a bad term. If the movement is truly about equality, then why put an emphasis on females. I understand there may be things wrong with society towards females, but that still doesn't excuse it. Especially since it has turned lopsided with women trying to have almost the rights over men.
I feel exactly that way about the term, and sometimes I want to mansplain why it ought be changes, but then sanity returns.
It doesn't help men, it doesn't even help women. I am all for women breaking barriers and having good pay and to be taken seriously. But if a girl is a feminist and acts like a b**** then she's no different then the guys/men she complains about who are assholes.
4th wave feminism does not help men, and in many ways it can actively harm them (especially when it dovetails with adjacent movements... like #metoo... and 'cancel culture', etc.).
Classical feminism (ie: equality of opportunity for both genders) is a net positive for both men and women; since it gives everyone a chance to contribute their most potent skills to society (whether in career, or in child-raising, or personal passions/ the arts, etc.)
Feminism helps no one but the fat angry pinkhairs who have used it to outwardly justify why no one likes or wants to date them, instead of looking at themselves as the problem.
I always laugh when women say this. See how stupid women think that men are when they are the dumbest creatures worldwide. Yeah sure feminism helps men. It helps men to shut up. And be controlled by ball-busting, bitchy women. Being unable to tell a joke. It helps men to just sit quiet while a woman throws objects and punches at them.
First of all, ignorant guys (including their fake female profiles) should learn that femi-nazis are not feminists, they are female supremacists and misandrists.
How did feminism help men?
Women have became much more confident, it helped men achieve better relationships and more satisfying sex (I know that incels are butt-hurt about that).
I'm so with you. I read and see your likes and it's just sad to see so many idiots.
Butt hurt men disliking hahaha
@Thomas_Shelby Because I can be, I don't want trolls to send me messages on the inbox.
@Syrian_survivor No, it's not the only thing, it's just an example.
@OrangeBoy2 You're totally right, thanks for the support :)
@shinka1y234 Yeah, hahahaha, they always do that 😂
Many countries are still patriachal.
Can i follow you?
@SomeGuyCalledTom I already said, it gives women more confidence. By feminism, I actually mean feminism, not femi-nazism, learn the difference.
@Aiko_E_Lara Oh the asker did? No he didn't, you just proved how dumb you are. I deleted your ignorant comment, and I always will, cause you don't know anything about the truth.
I talk only with smart men, who know the difference between feminism and femi-nazism, and who know that egalitarianism is equality in some other terms, not just gender based.
I know that word "sex" bothers you cause you're a pathetic incel, but hey, what can you do ;)
Good bye, don't bother to troll again, because you'll get deleted, along with all of your fake profiles, both male and female :)
@Thomas_Shelby Nobody is more pathetic than you (mr fake profile of that incel loser) 😂
@shinka1y234 You already are my follower :)
@Syrian_survivor Not as stupid as you, cause it takes just one small movement for me to delete your spam, while it takes more effort for you to troll around, well, there are some male feminists in here, why don't you ask them how did feminism help them... bye bye :)
My question was about how feminism helps men achieve better relationships and sex (which I guess you've since deleted.. okay?). Are saying that because feminism makes women more confident, that men have better relationships *because* their partners are more confident? I'm just trying to ascertain your reasoning on this. Usually when one makes a claim, one gives some kind of supporting argument for why the claim is valid. What's the supporting argument for feminism improving men's relationships and sex life?
@SomeGuyCalledTom Ok, I'll give you one more chance to understand.
I know many guys who are in happy relationships with strong women who are feminists (not femi-nazis like those ugly & fat freaks with purple hair).
Would you, as a man, prefer a confident woman, or a crybaby?
Would you like a woman who would take initiative and ask you for a date, or would you rather embarrass yourself by getting rejected?
Would you rather be with a woman who would work and contribute to the family, or would you rather have a burden of financially supporting the family all by yourself?
I hope you understand now :)
To answer your questions:
-- I'd prefer a confident woman, and have met many such women. Some may consider themselves feminist, some may not (frankly, I never asked, it doesn't really affect my decision of whether I wanna keep seeing a girl). I don't believe confidence comes from a political ideology, it comes from how one conducts one's life. But sure, gender equality tends to produce more capable, self-assured individuals, as opposed to tyrannical societies where women have no rights or are viewed as "inferior" to men. So let's say we're on the same page here.
-- It makes no difference to me whether she asks me on a date first; if I'm interested, chances are I'll ask her out first as I'm quite direct in my intentions. I've had girls approach me before, but it didn't seem like a feminist thing, they were just comfortable in their own skin and not playing games
-- if a woman wants to support our (theoretical) family financially, in addition to my own financial providing, then I've got nothing specific against that, and I do not want to marry some gold digging whore who just runs off with the fruits of my labour at the first chance. So in a broad sense I agree with what you're getting at here. Although I can also see the benefits of a marriage where man works full time, while woman provides "full time" child-rearing, home-keeping, etc. In either case, the division of labour should add up to around 50/50. I'm also fine couples who have the man stay at home with kids and the woman is the sole breadwinner. It's not a relationship model I would want for myself, but if those couples like that arrangement and it works for them and the kids, then more power to them. I suspect they will never constitute the majority of couples, and in some ways are kinda "outlier" cases. But I don't hold anything against them for their choices.
So, I'm still not convinced that feminism directly and measurably improves men's relationships and sex life. But I can, if nothing else, appreciate your reasoning that's brought you to such conclusion. Thankyou for clarifying your position. Best wishes :)
@SomeGuyCalledTom You're welcome, I'm glad we agree on most things, thanks, best wishes to you too :)
@OrangeBoy2 I'd appreciate you not to invoke spam on my opinion by that pathetic loser who can't tell the difference between feminism and femi-nazism, who misuses the term "egalitarianism", because he doesn't know what that really is, and who is a quasi-philosopher, who always uses "ad hominem" bullshit because he doesn't know what else to say, cause he is too ignorant to say anything smart.
It's always important who said it, I strictly differentiate words of a dumb person (who doesn't know anything about the subject and can't tell apart different terms) and smart person (who knows the differences between those terms).
Pseudo-science of various mgtow freaks on youtube is not an argument.
I hope you understand, I won't tolerate trolling and spamming anymore :)
What... You could have left the comments, someone could have learned something from it, we both wrote a lot. Done here...
@OrangeBoy2 From him? Only a psychiatrist could have learned certain mental problems in incels, but I doubt there are any psychiatrists on the GaG ;)
Ok, nice talking to you :)
They type of men that enjoy having hedonistic sex with stupid sluts
Yeah, those guys are fking rolling in it right now, more than ever before. The empowered mom will ditch her kid for 5 minutes of tyrone's big blackie assuming she even has kids, because she can just KILL EM!
Basically, feminism has strengthened all the worst traits in men. Now, the successful man must be one of two varieties to succeed with the average girl. The player, or the appeaser.
And ladies, trust me, you don't want these men.
My version of being a feminist is about equality for both men and women. For example I take males that were victims of abuse just as seriously as a women. I would encourage men to express their feelings more (because thats one of the reasons a lot of men commit suicide, because of toxic masculinity). Also I believe if a women punches a man he is 100% ok to defend himself.
So you are an equalist?
No idea what that is. Im person who was taught right and wrong.
Literally an egalitarian.
And also, "toxic masculinity" doesn't exist. It is simply in our nature.
And also, men's nature is to not express their feelings as much.
I hate to break it to you, but "toxic masculinity" is only a tool so feminists can say they are "helping" us.
Well “your nature” is whats killing you. Telling guys to “suck it up” and “man up” instead of trying to help them emotionally is whats the problem
That's not the problem at all. Women stabbing us in the back after we've provided for them is what causes men to kill themselves. If women weren't so overly critical of men we wouldn't have the pressure on our shoulders to make absolutely no mistake, no hesitation, and never lapse in our better judgement in front of our woman, should she think we are inferior and as a result, cheat on us with a more worthy man.
Sorry but feminism is a load of crap that's just designed to ruin how things naturally work and make everyone's lives miserable with the same stone. No doubt it was created by women who wanted to watch the world burn.
@sunchips how do things 'naturally work'? what does mean?
The psychology behind being a man and women. Feminism pits men against their own nature that not only creates dissonance inside us but also pussifies us. And in doing so, it jepordizes the nature of women, because women are not psychologically attracted to pussy men.
I never said to suck it up, if you have a problem like that, go see a therapist.
@sunchips I'm a psychology student and a feminist and you are just wrong. I would explain to you how you are wrong but you don't seem to be the open minded type. Your belief about what toxic masculinity is and what feminism is seems to be set in stone
I am also a psychology student, although it has been a while. I come to conclusions based on facts and I pursue plausable outcomes. I have field research to back up my claims. Although I am interested in why you believe I am wrong. Tell me just for the sake of proving to me that you know what you are talking about. Even if we disagree, I can't help but respect an intellectual. So please, enlighten me.
Not realizing that claiming feminism is about quality only proves inequality. I'd care to elaborate. So let me ask you what's the male counter part of feminism? and what's the counterpart of equality? If you can give me that answer then that will only prove superiority. Ignoring the fact that there is a middle ground to it. You're not saying feminism is equality. You're just saying that our gender is superior and the rightful ones and of course they think it's fair for whatever bias reasons.
I fail to see how the first sentence applies. The next bit also confuses me. If meninism is the opposite of feminism, and inequality is the opposite of equality, I fail to see how knowing those answers proves superiority to you. And superiority to what? Are you saying I'm superior for knowing the answer? Or that the answers together equal superiority? I fail to see the correlation. Please explain your logic. I never said females were superior. I said they were genetically inclined to act a certain way, as men are their own. As for anything after "the rightful ones.." I can't make it out. It's gibberish.
@sunchips I'm happy to talk to you but I prefer to do it in private messages. getting into it on a public post gets messy
Do it. I wanna talk for real. We need to establish what we define feminism as. This will avoid senseless babblings and assumptions by hot headed fools such as the one above.
We're at a loss. I can't send private messages.
Nice attempt of private messaging there. It's just like the clan of brainwashing making people ignorant about the public in society. By the way why not choose to speak out in public and see how many agrees with you?
Y'all are arguing that her personal interpretation is incorrect because it doesn't line up with the popular views of feminism. It doesn't have to, though, if it's just how she puts a name to her views on gender.
That isn't feminism though. That is just simple equality.
Jesus. I go to study and this is what i come to find 😂
Look idc what you guys say, but if I want to say im a feminist than I say that. I believe that each gender should be able to do things at the other gender can. If a women wants to work or be a housewife than go ahead. If a man wants to be a house dad or work than ok. Either way we should try to help one another rather than tear eachother down
@sunchips how come? what settings do I or you need to change so we can PM.
by the way Aiko_E_Lara, I don't want to the feminist having to argue with 3 non/anti feminists at the same time and i frankly don't care to hear the opinions of people whining "feminism is cancer! feminism is misandry!"
I've already tried having a discussion with you about feminism and to honest, you were a complete asshole. You didn't listen to me, you would repeatedly ask the same question as if i never answered it, even though i did and u just didn't like my answer. Having a one-on-one discussion with someone shouldn't be the fucking nightmare it was with you. you were completely disrespectful and irrational while I tried my best to be nice and comprehensive
@Staiby "i frankly don't care to hear the opinions of people whining "feminism is cancer! feminism is misandry!" <--- Just like being comfortable with their own ignorance? I'd say go ahead and not care. We already know what that means. And ironically speaking coming from a movement who screams "men are rapists and misogynistic pigs" who invents the word mansplaining by womansplaining it to everyone.
@Aiko_E_Lara who screams that? you can't just attribute those quotes to a whole movement when that movement is made up of individuals with their own ideas, their own forms of feminism and identify with different schools of feminism, schools that contradict each other so it's impossible to identify with all of them. that's why I blocked you because u're so ignorant and uninformed
@Staiby You asked who? It doesn't take a genius. It's so called feminists who do that. And yeah calling me ignorant as an excuse to block is really lame by the way. Like trying to dismiss argument by calling me ignorant when I literally presented something you were in denial about. And yes they're feminists. They claimed to be feminists. As the history shown that women started feminism because they feel "oppressed" is just like how those feminists feel. You like "I'm so oppressed because I'm cat called" Oh yeah so oppressed because men don't have any problems.
I can already hear you saying "those aren't feminists" yet the history of it still stands. Actively fighting for their rights which you think it's applicable these days?
@Staiby And that something I shown is what common people have seen. Not something from the very back of google where people can barely reach.
Just because many people agreed, doesn't mean it's fact? Is that your justification? If so, what makes you say you're being truthful? Because it says so in your book? Puhlese this isn't all about your book. If that's what you're saying then everyone is wrong and you don't realize how that make you sound.
@Staiby I'm so ignorant and uninformed just like billions of people on this planet. Of course because we're living in a real world. Where's your world?
@Aiko_E_Lara i asked you for the names of people who have said what you claim feminists have said. I asked you to put names to those quotes instead of just unnamed anonymous sources. and you have failed to do that. not just failed but you are probably avoiding doing it because you can't name a specific person who has said "men are pigs" etc.
I also blocked you because you go on a bullshit-rampage. just like you have just done know. assuming that I would use a no true Scotsman fallacy when I wouldn't. I openly disagree with other feminists but I wouldn't ever tell someone they're not a REAL feminist.
And yeah men have their own unique problems and suffer similar issues as women do. I'm aware and I'm still a feminist. Not despite men's problems but partly because of men's problems. here's a story about a man who is an ex men's rights activist and now a feminist. He still cares about the same problems that affect men but he realized that feminism had everything he needed. narratively.com/.../
and what fucking book are you talking about? u see. you go on a bullshit-rampage. this is why i gave up on talking to you
@Staiby Lol that source? He's a man's rights activists however we're an anti feminist because we are not getting brainwashed like him. Oh and by the way an angry men's rights activists is just like feminism. Both gendered counterparts. And for your lists of those who buzzfeed feminists who screams "men are misogynistic" Well here they are https://www.buzzfeed.com/tag/feminism You can see their names there and here's their video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuRTS9oFGwc&t=72s Ofcourse they're not named in there but there are still lists of feminists from buzzfeed I gave which has been destroyed by popular youtubers like Dr. Shaym https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuRTS9oFGwc&t=72s who also got support in Patreon https://www.patreon.com/DrShaym and also the ever popular Ben Shapiro who have been destroying that movement. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtsFHiaAuwM Go skip at 0:47.
"what fucking book are you talking about?" <-- The one you're talking about. And of course you don't remember it.
I mean here's the list https://www.buzzfeed.com/tag/feminism I copy pasted that video twice,
I mean you can't see their names in the video but the fact that you can see them and hear what they're talking about is not anonymous. So yeah there are many feminists from buzzfeed there and they're a few of those in the list.
@Staiby And by the way I thought you were done a long time ago. You don't wanna deal with 3 anti feminists you say? Because you're about to deal with thousands of them.
@Aiko_E_Lara Ben Shapiro is not someone to take seriously...
i watched 2 minutes of the first video and omg ffs that guy is an idiot. i dont know where to start. he says "buzzfeed is demonizing men" and the woman specifics that's she is talking about 'catcallers'. one woman talks about a construction worker commenting rudely on her tits and his response was "why do u care about what some low life thinks about u"... wtf he is such an idiot. she doesn't care what he thinks about her, she cares that she was cat called and wishes he didn't catcalled her. I've been catcalled about my tits and i dont care what they think about me. i care that it happened because it made me feel violated that someone thought they could make such an intimate comment about my breasts. It made me feel dirty. I doubt you'll ever be catcalled so you won't understand what it feels like. maybe you should listen to the people who have been catcalled when they tell you what it is like
and u know u make very little fucking sense. what fucking book are u fucking talking about?
U're right. i should stop talking to u. i don't know why i bothered to talk to u. u're a pain in the ass
@Staiby See? That proves it. We're all a pain in the ass. And we're all stupid. Just better not exist if that's the case. Like yes that's how feminists see the world. I mean according to you, saying hi is a catfish. Lol how oppressed. Here's the original video for you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_rgz7RX-WE&t=2s And tell me what threads you see
@Staiby Oh he's talking about "women" and that got you triggered right? This one is for you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS46dD7W0yY&t=32s Also to be specific, skip at 0:28
@Staiby Well guess what? I got I got cat called by my female classmates because my dick is showing and I don't care. Because I'm not a snowflake like you.
@Aiko_E_Lara you misconstrue what i say so severely you don't realize how ridiculous you are being. you tell me im getting triggered? u're the one who is getting triggered just because i called u a pain in the ass, making it a gender thing? who is "we"? u make no friggin sense.
@Staiby And you don't realize how ignorant you are. This is like clock work really. You called me a pain in the ass just because I claimed something *Shrugs* So I'm a pain in the ass? Jeez thanks. truth hurts by the way and you're just proved me right
@Aiko_E_Lara prove u right? what is even your point
@Staiby wow this is still going. I refer back to what I already wrote as my whole argument for this long thread
@OfDeath Well don't worry. We're not the only ones she's against at. She's against reality.
@Aiko_E_Lara I won't lol
@OfDeath my response to what you said is: equality is a feminist goal. equality is a component in feminist ideology and no single ideology or movement owns the concept of equality. black lives matter has equality as a component in the movement. egalitarianism has the component of equality.
@Staiby alright
@Staiby With all the propaganda just like saying MGTOW's goal is equality because of how much men is oppressed and feminists be hating. The hypocrisy is real.
@Aiko_E_Lara it's not like that. it's not the same.
@Staiby Oh really? Do you think it would automatically be different just because they said so when they obviously have the same principles and mechanics? In that case "feminism is about equality" <-- My response to that is "it's not like that. it's not the same."
@Aiko_E_Lara how it is "obvious"?
@Staiby And how is it different? Or how is it not obvious? They both fight for "equality" PFF. You know like feminsts hating on men like in the video I presented? Yeah MGTOWs do those on women. Spreading their propaganda about women being gold diggers or some sort.
@Aiko_E_Lara i watched 2 minutes of the first vid and couldn't stand it anymore because the youtuber makes the dumbest arguments. but all i saw was women complaining about being catcalled. the focus was on cat callers and not ALLLLL men.
@Staiby And MGTWO "just" complaining about gold diggers and sluts right? Well sure they're complaining about cat calls but they just explained what catcalling is and according to them, It's saying "Hi" "Don't wear a demin jacket" and even compliments are cat calls now. Oh only if a guy does it he debunked it right there. And I still like how you're trying to dismiss arguments by calling everyone dumb. As it didn't work before, what makes you think it'l still work now?
@Staiby In other words they're talking about cat callers but explains what men do normally. And look at the original video again and comeback to me after you see the votes ratio.
@Staiby And what about women who cat calls? That's something they never even bothered doing. And I thought it's about equality. Like the asker's question "How does feminism help men?" <-- All I can say is they think cherry picking is their way to help men.
@Aiko_E_Lara i specified previously what was wrong and dumb about his arguments.
You make a very irrelevent comparison between feminist and MGTOW. they both 'complain' about stuff... really? best u got?
You can say hi in a sleazy way, getting up someone for the way they dress as you walk past them is harassment. i got told off very rudely to dye my hair while walking past that person.
Noun. catcall (plural catcalls) A shout or whistle expressing dislike, especially from a crowd or audience; a jeer, a boo. A shout, whistle, or comment of a sexual nature, usually made toward women. (historical) A whistle blown by a theatre-goer to express disapproval.
"And what about women who cat calls?" what about them?
@Staiby Oh now I'm irrelevant? And ofcourse you don't think you're irrelevant for what ever reason. You're comparing equality to feminism. How could a gendered label be equality? Something that is gendered have their own counterpart to it FYI that is why MGTOW is a male version of feminism because? FYI they like to talk about men's suicide rate, men being told to man up, men losing the child custody, the double standards and so on like claiming men are so oppressed that they want "equality" just like what feminists do. So MGTOW claims their movement is equality. And yes that's the best I got and it doesn't take a genius to understand that.
"You can say hi in a sleazy way, getting up someone for the way they dress as you walk past them is harassment. i got told off very rudely to dye my hair while walking past that person." <-- As if women don't do that. Well they do but do we even care? Like what I said we're not snowflakes like them because it's a rights to do that. So what if a man says hi in "sleazy way"? Oh no that hurts your feelings and what are you gonna do? Kill him just for saying hi? It's just like an instinct of shooting someone just because someone said "fuck you" when you can just not care and not be a snowflake.
@Staiby And you explained what cat calling is according to the dictionary. They explained cat calling according to them.
So what if he wasn't being "sleazy" at all but according to your feelings, he is? Accuse him of sexual harassment and have his life ruined? I thought this is equality.
@Aiko_E_Lara bias against men in court during custody battles is a myth
@Staiby In your opinion. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_are_wonderful_effect www.huffpost.com/.../men-women-prison-sentence-length-gender-gap_n_1874742 Just looking for something at my last respond to disagree at?
This is a video. It wouldn't be any different if this is in a written form.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOP793671p0
@Aiko_E_Lara men's suicide. yeah men make up 80% of all suicide victims while women make up the majority of suicide attempts and experience more suicidal tendencies then men. Men use more lethal methods (gun shot to the head and jumping off of bridges) while women use less lethal methods like overdosing on pills. If you want to actually do something to fix the issue instead of whinging and bitching about women and feminism all day, you could advocate for gun restrictions because gun restrictions have been shown to lower suicide by gun rates
@Staiby "women make up the majority of suicide attempts" <-- to see if who really cares. Actually men does that too but does society care? I mean men are stronger and emotionless and not to mention a lot of women likes strong men. The article "women are wonderful effect" still stands.
@Staiby Whining about women? No. I'm whining about feminists whining about men's privilege. I'm an anti feminist not an anti women. There's a big difference before you start strawmanning
@Aiko_E_Lara it should be called "women are wonderful WHEN effect".
lol u admit you whine. good. because u are a whiner
@Staiby Then go make that article if you wish. He used that article at the end of that video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO9nUBazWEg&t=181s Now I challenge you to spot someone who tried to disagree with him
@Aiko_E_Lara it's already in wiki's criticism section
@Staiby And how many people criticized? 9? 10? 100? over 18k people
@Staiby And by the way sure and I do it with logic too. Unlike feminists who don't.
@Aiko_E_Lara lol you think you r logical. you. are. deluded.
@Staiby by the way I'm just sticking by your rule because according to you, presenting something is "whining". Yeah sure I only to it the right way.
@Staiby I don't think. I know. And by the way what happened to your logic? All you're doing right now is just saying things as and hope it'l become true like that's how the world works, Pff
@Aiko_E_Lara thats what uve been doing the entire time. saying things u want to be true and present weak ass evidence if u could even call it evidence.
@Staiby Or that's what "WE" have been doing the entire time. Like what you said all of my claims are stupid? Again sure it is stupid according to you. We're all stupid according to you. Hey at least what we do is so much better than just saying shit just because we don't like what they're saying or doing shit just because we don't like human rights.
@Staiby So you're gonna be in denial with all those people who are actually people making threads and supporting Shaym. Sure those people who voted are "weak ass people" Only those who down voted his videos are the rightful ones. You surly don't know what number's game is
@Staiby And what about your evidence tho? Ohhhhh your claims only matters lol. Your book
So what happened to that
"it should be called "women are wonderful WHEN effect"."
"it's already in wiki's criticism section"?
Are those really your claims? Lets be real. You're not a goddess who makes things true by only saying it. And you're calling our evidence "weak ass" PFF.
@Staiby And lastly, you said you were done talking a along time ago because of those 3 anti feminists. That just proves you don't know what your saying.
Can I actually make it to 100 replies?
If you chose to. Go ahead. You can say random things until you reach 100.
Yeah no can do. I have this thing called a life. But feel free to keep mindlessly bickering
So do I and I have something called time management. Just say you don't want to if you don't want to. Saying you have a life is not an excuse. Everyone does have.
Feminism doesn't help men at all it's just a lot of bullshit feminist do to shame men for being men and play the victim card whenever a guy tells her logic.
I see so many girls waking up to this feminist bullshit, but then again I see many that love all the feminist shit.
Nonetheless, it's nice to see women like you who are not giving into feminist BS.
It helps us realize how inferior males are to females in every way and that we should serve women or obviously just kill our selves. It enforces the ideal that men are indeed completely worthless and should have been born female. It is why so many young boys are getting sex changes.
It is absolutely complete and utter rubbish as they don’t want equality in any way. If you need clarification, the first paragraph was pure sarcasm
Well for example feminists in Sweden pushed legislation that gave men an equal paternity leave as women have maternity leave so they can also be home with their children as they grow up.
That's a good thing, but a horrible reference.
Why?
Sweden is... Well, you get what I mean.
No i do not get it
They're radicals.
Are they now? And besides for the purposes of the example I gave does it even matter? An equal maternity and paternity leave is the obvious feminist position, its just a question of being able to push through the legislation in question.
It doesn't. If it were actually about gender equality then it would.
When was the last time feminism advocated for men in the areas of life expectancy, mental health, resources for the homeless, prostate cancer, bias against men when it comes to the courts and custody, alimony? That's right, it doesn't.
Pink downvotes without any posts tell me I'm right 😂😂😂😂😂
It has relieved men of the social obligation of relationships and marriage and has exposed the innate manipulative evil nature of women. Feminism has made men independent and free thus helping men and really screwing over women. Women now carry the full burden of reproduction and support while men can become minimalists.
Men don't have to do their jobs and provide for their wives anymore. Now women make half the income AND do all the housework AND bear the babies
It some relationships maybe women do all the housework, but it's not always the case. I believe in helping out
In the past one wage was enough to sustain a family of 5-6 children. Now people complain both men and women working doesn't sustain even having 2 children.
@esotericstory One wage, but the man didn't work only 40 hours a week. 40 hours/week was NEVER enough to provide for a family of 5-6 children. Men in biblical times toiled in the blazing heat from sunrise to sundown, 12 hours a day, 6 days a week, to provide for their families
Let me tell you something. Before the French revolution workers had 82 days vacation a year. After it the workers only had 3 days vacation a month. Today, we have about 20 days vacation a year. The more there are leftist revolutions the more acquired rights we lose.
You guys asked for it in 70s womens rights movement. So thanks mom. Lol
Who the fuck wants to have 5-6 children lmao
@esotericstory why did the French revolution happen? Could it be despite all those holidays the people were starving and paying huge taxes while the super rich did not. #letthemeatcake
@mistixs men still do all the outside work and DIY plus thanks to modern conviences housework is a doodle. No more doing laundry by hand with washers & dryers, vacuums hoover dust up, detergents make cleaning quick and easy, ironing clothes is easy, electric cookers make cooking easy etc
@DaMack999 no they didn't ask for it
Feminism gives women adult mentalities instead of childlike "I need you" attitude. Only strong men appreciate women who act like women instead of children who need to be controlled.
I'm sorry, what? For a start, that statement does not match my lived experience with feminism, which has actually attempted the opposite.
Secondly - what man wants to effectively be a single father to an adult child?
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@sheep she owes u no explanation. If you donf get it then you're slow.
@sheepdip just because someone claim to be a feminist, doesn't mean they are. The definition agrees as well
no. all men appreciate women who don't act like children.
@jsg grow up
@flowers70 your alias is quite gender-stereotype reinforcing.
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@JSG4_ that isn't true. If it was, every men would support feminism which purpose is to relief and free women from men's domination. Domination that control both sexes except men benefit. Freeing from that would mean women independent physically, mentality, and emotionally
er, because PATRIARCHY
@JSG4_ Which is bs. I'll take my chances fighting against sexism, you know being a woman and all
PATRIARCHY
This is bizzar, and only reinforces the impression that feminism creates children who can't react rationally.
@foriWish dictionaries are descriptive not prescriptive. I invite you to look at urban dictionary so you can see how words are used by people other than yourself.
The issue with 'no true feminist' is that you can, if you wish to, never attribute anything to anyone who uses the label in a way you don't like. I have, for example, seen some 'feminists' claim that equality is not part of feminism because in some cases it disadvantages women.
Your church needs orthodoxy, and until you get it then you're doomed to being represented by your worst members.
@flowers70 I'm looking at my response and scratching my head, wondering where I asked for an explanation. If people don't want to talk about their ideas then they are free not to, but are naive if they think they won't be challenged.
@sheepdip Do you refer to transgenders by their desired pronoun? I know numerous people on this site and in real who do not. If they (and most likely you) can do it so can I when referring to REAL feminists. You can't just call people something they are not.
... and the nonsequitor award goes to you for that bizzar statement.
What on earth are you trying to say?
I'll call a transperson whatever they like because its their choice to self identify that way.
I'll call a feminist a feminist if they self identify that way. I do. I have. I continue to do so.
What point do you think you're making here?
Uhh, why so dramatic?
Women still act like children who make emotion based decisions though... well, from what I've observed anyway, there are an amount out there with some sense, not sure if they are really the majority though from everything I've seen.
@tree02 women and men both make emotional decisions. Its not like men only use logic and women only use emotion, we both use each one. The issue is that I've seen feminism try to justify the use of women's emotional decision making.
@sheepdip My point is, it's common sense one should not call people something they are not. I'm female. Just because I go around saying I'm male doesn't mean people should call me male. I don't have a penis, I do not have XY chromosome, I'm not as strong as a man, I don't carry sperm, etc. And just because you may call people something they are not doesn't mean many people will
@TreeO2 well obviously they aren't the majority, just as there are men who make decisions based on their emotions as well. Acting like children isn't gendered based
Ok, so we've got a potential terf here.
This conversation has meandered somewhat, but I do see your point (people are not necessarily what they label themselves) but I think you are missing mine (you don't get to decide what a real feminist is).
Its got nothing to do with common sense; the west borough Baptists are 'not true Christian's according to some, but they tick all the right boxes. Similarly feminists like Christina Hoff Summers, Germaine Greer and Camile Paligia have all been simultaneously praised as example of the best of feminism, and the worst of feminism.
Like I said earlier, your religion needs orthodoxy.
@sheepdip Yes I do get to label what a real feminist is because I base it on the definition. If a person is fighting for the equality of women; BOOM real feminist. Ohh he/she hates men and wants to destroy men; not a feminist but a sexist. It's that simple
Also, I'm not a radical feminist
This is a day old. can y'all please move on. theae alerts are rather annoying
@flowers70 thoughts and prayers
Ok, so keys try this a third time.
You can use that as your metric. That's ok. That makes it true *for you*.
Other people who use the label have different definitions and different metrics. See again the example of the west borough Baptists.
You are *not* the arbiter of the term feminist. Language is malleable. Seriously go look at the definitions of words on urban dictionary.
If you are a trans exclusionary feminist then you're pretty radical these days. I've seen what your church does to those it calls heretics.
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"Feminism makes women strong"
And then
"Blocked"
I'm sure the irony is lost on you
It's sad 😢 that some females are not good mother's 💔 breaks my 💓 it brings a bad name on others sadly nothing can be done about it cause no one is perfect and no one has never done any wrong. But we try and those that do try often get the bad end of the stick cause it's so much easier just to lie and cheat then to. Accept things that happen and move forward
Feminism does nothing to help men. All it does is paint males as “stupid sex addict beasts” and they blame all their problems on some mythical patriarchy
Thanks man.
it doesn't, in some unfortunate cases it sucks them dry
It doesn't. xD they claim they want equality but since they assume by default that men are privileged, men won't profit untill they think they finally have enough rights for women, which won't ever happen.
My man, always speaking the truth ✌️
You have to define feminism first. If you mean "equality feminism" then that helps men by lessening the assumption that we will pay for everything all the time. If you mean feminazism, then from what I can see that only helps men who want to shun the responsibility for the children they help create. It does it by pushing abortion-on-demand up to point of birth.
Equality feminism is not a thing, because it NEVER existed.
feminism
[ˈfeməˌnizəm]
NOUN
the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes.