I ask this because I have often been told repeatedly how women grow up trying to look like models and how unrealistic that is, but I never hear men's side of the story. Growing up I saw images of men with six packs and perfectly v-shaped bodies. The women were basically just not fat and did some yoga or light workouts to get toned. Do women even understand how hard it is to get your body fat below 12%? I don't see where women are given such an unrealistic body image to obtain. It's actually men who have to workout for years to obtain that which is on the magazines.
Who actually has the more psychologically harmful body image portrayed by the media: men or women?
Neither. Its like saying video games cause violence. You're under no obligation to consume such media. People with psychological disorders like anorexia they have no control. Sure there is proportion of people who find it difficult not be negatively affected by it, and affects their self image. But ultimately its up to us to find ways not such things let us affect us. Are we affected by people with jet set lifestyle?
That said its definitely women. Many fashion magazines portray anorexic models, which is unhealthy and hard to attain, worse guys don't even find anorexic models attractive. Guys do have to be muscular which but anorexic models is bad. However I agree it is easier for women to be in shape ie be fit and toned, than men who have to be muscular.
You also have to take into account proportions. At least 70% of such media is targeted at women. So it would have more negative affect on women.
Its also simply due to dating dynamics, women are the one that attract mate. It also gives them disproportionate power in dating dynamics. That's why media targeted at men usually also show hot, fit women, and same reason media targeted at women also show hot, fit women. Naturally fit women would attract more desirable mate. So even media targeted at women includes women.
That said where exactly is this "harmful" "negative" effects. Over 60% of UK population is overweight or obese, I'm sure its even higher in America. So where is this harmful affects? Where I live women are mostly overweight and put hardly any effort in appearance, think Seattle in America or San Francisco.
I think its more in the lines of its making me feel bad so stop showing it, instead of fit girls being bad. That's what fat acceptance movement is harassing anyone not including plus-size ie fat models.
The objective of media is to portray sex and glamour, so they would obviously include hot and fit men and women. They are selling a fantasy. How many people would buy what media is selling if the models were fat? Sex sells that's just the way it is.
Majority of people can distinguish between fantasy and reality. Majority of women don't take Romance novels literally. Majority of men don't think reality looks like porn.
Everyone should strive to be their very best, everyone should strive to be fit, at least within healthier weight range.
Both. And it is horrible. I dont profess to defend the "everyone is beautiful" movement. I dont agree with that. And I dont agree with fat positivity because heart disease is a major issue in America. It is the second leading cause of death and 66% of the population is either obese or overweight. However, I believe that extreme representations of body and status and even home wealth is very negative in society. It is horrible with men and women. Nearly every hollywood movie you see families in two story houses or single women living in massive houses that are $300,000. LIke what? No. EVeryone I know lives in an apartment or has a roomate. I think the movie "NOtting HIll" is best.
FOr me, going on youtube and seeing men's magazines really motivated me to push my body building workouts to a new level. I went form being anemic to gainig 20 pounds each winter to build muscle and then losing it. Over the last 3 years the gains are massive. But this year during a cutting face I wanted more prominent 6 pack abs. So I worked out and went to bed without eating to lower my weight. I woke up the next day feeling shitty. We had a medical event in our corporate office where we got tested that day. I found out my blood sugar was 47. It was a deadly blood sugar because I had not eaten in 12 hours because I wanted more defined abs. So you have to realize that shit isn't real. You also have to realize that women are sexually turned on by flat abs or firmness, not the extreme ab bulging out type of thing that I attempted. I am just a regular guy and the media portrayal nearly put me in a dangerously low blood sugar for a day. If it could happen to me it could happen to anyone. Whats even scarier is when you do extreme things sometimes people compliment your look... which only makes your dangerous activity worse.
But no everyone goes extreme, that's why you take it slow. Its emphasized everywhere, not forgetting genetics too. For some people its simply not worth it because of genetics.
+ What's an objective to look attractive? For men, to get married to someone and reproduce? -- Maybe I'm wrong. For women, to have many sexual partners as possible? -- I could be wrong again.
+ Who has much limited time in dating games? For men, they're expired after 30? -- Yes or no? For women, we age like cheese? -- Could be Casu Marzu.
+ Who tends to have undergone surgeries more? For men, they need full lips, slim nose, double eyelids, toned waist, big boob, big butt? -- Eh? For women, ? -- I can't think of any. Everyone has a social-acceptably default look since they were born.
+ Who can archive other facets of life rather than just appearance? For men, nothing else. Body image is everything. If you're not handsome, no one wants you? -- hmmm... For women, people don't care for their looks at all because they can be smart, financially stable, have social status and many more? -- ...
Well, I really can't tell. No idea. I can't judge.
Statistically speaking, more women suffer from eating disorders and according to research and studies, women tend to experience more negative thoughts concerning body image than men do. Women are more likely to judge themselves as overweight than males.
"Numerous researchers have studied body dissatisfaction in recent years (Abel & Richards, 1996; Byrne & Hills, 1996; Cash et al., 2004; Fallon & Rozin, 1985; Fear et al., 1996; Lamb et al., 1993; Tiggeman & Pennington, 1990; Tiggeman, 1992). In this study replicates the findings of Fallon and Rozin. They concluded that 33% of men and 70% of women rate their current figure as larger than ideal and that body dissatisfaction among women is much larger than for men."
Not saying men don't have it hard. But according to studies, women do obsess more over body image in a harmful way.
But men are more likely to suffer mental disorders and depression as a result of societal expectations, whether physical or behavioral. I would've said that they have about the same difficulties, just in different places. In any sense, societal expectations can be dangerous, so we should teach our kids how to be proud to be themselves, and help them understand it's not their responsibility to appeal to popular opinion, but to consider their own.
It just means that men are used to society treating them like crap and women aren't so it affects women mentally more even though they aren't treated as badly as men. We should treat women the same as society treats men so they can get used to being treated like crap too.
I think it makes perfect sense that women would feel more shamed by body image than men. Because that’s just the way it is. Men are shamed for not portraying that “real man” image. That’s our equivalent to female body shaming. Shaming men for not being manly enough. No woman gets shamed for. Not being woman enough. There’s no such thing as not woman enough. But there is such a thing as not man enough. And that’s where our damage flicked from.
@Cherokeehp Yeah, there are a lot of extremist MGTOW on here. When their worldview is "All Women Are Like That" then they naturally think they themselves are the victims.
@KJ_Colnem actually statistics also show that women suffer more from depression and stress. "The prevalence of major depression is higher in women than in men;, in 2010 its global annual prevalence was 5.5% and 3.2%"
@AynonOMouse I disagree, I think everyone should be treated better. Not worse.
@Kaazsz I agree. Both men and women face different types of shaming and it affects both in negative ways.
@MisterAnon69 again, women experience depression at higher rates. But you're right about the suicide part, because men often choose more violent and effective ways to kill themselves, whereas women often fail their attempts. Like, guys would rather shoot themselves whereas women would rather down a bunch of pills and "hope for the best". Attempted suicide rates are about the same, though. Either way I think it's very sad.
Look guys. I don't think this is a pissing contest of who has it worse. Having it worse off is nothing to brag about. These topics are really sad and in my opinion, I think everyone should be treated better, there should be less shaming, and I wish more people were comfortable in their bodies and turned those negative thoughts into more productive, supportive thoughts. Thoughts that could lead them to healthier lifestyle choices, for instance.
Okay, well as the link I posted shows women do not have more body issues then men (especially when factoring in steroid use), as for your report on depression, fair enough, according to self reporting women are more depressed then men, HOWEVER almost 80% of suicides are male. Who is more depressed? Is it the woman who take antidepressents OR is it the men who put a gun in their mouth? Also that's not related to body image issues. Fun fact they did research on magazine cover models and found a wide range for women, however for the men every man listed as most attractive man or what have you on the cover of magazines (with the exception of tom cruze) where all over six foot tall, rich, and good looking. Also in a survey done they found that on average men found women to be average in looks. However that same study found that 80% of men, according to the women in the survey, where BELOW AVERAGE. That's not just a mathematical improbability, its a big red flag that women, not men, have way higher standards and expect far more from men. Couple that with the fact that other data showed that the most popular pornstars where. . . average looking. That is they had average sized breasts (c cups) brunettes, average body weight etc. etc. etc. Then another survey done found that mens ideal body type was actually several pounds HEAVIER then what women thought the ideal female body type was. Then you take the data showing that women do in fact prefer men with visible muscle and we can show conclusively and unarguably that women have far higher standards for men then men have for women. For women its above average height, above average looks, above average muscles, above average income, above average social skills. For men its, be at least average (or equivalent in attractiveness with him), want to have sex with him.
Also I would point out that you actually do not believe their should be less shaming because you would call for a body positive campaign for men because their is none. You would call for women to lower their standards when it comes to mens income (which ironically is decreasing because of women (men have been pushed out of schools and thus higher paying jobs for the sake of "equality" yet women still demand that the man continue to follow his traditional gender role of provider), you would call out women for their absurd insistence of dating men who are above average in height etc. You do NOT get to claim your against shaming while simultaneously not only shaming but endorsing, implicitly or explicitly, the shaming of others. You have to be consistent in your views.
Correlation =/= Causation. Just because women suffer more from it doesn't mean that the media image is more harmful to them. It can, yes. But it doesn't have to be. So if you want to have a congruent argument, you will have to argue WHY you think that is the case and use such data as evidence for your case.
@Cherokeehp Its not researched statistics when you don't bother to look at the affect it has on men. Men use steroids more (to obtain a physique that is pushed in everything from movies to comic books (to the men on the cover of "romance" novels), they also have about as much a probability of a eating disorder as women do etc. You cannot claim that women have it worse when you just out right ignore men in that equation.
@hellionthesagereborn like I mentioned before, suicide attempts among males and females are about the same, it's just that men use more aggressive methods of killing themselves that are more effective, whereas women more often fail their attempts. And you're right, it's not related to body image issues, I was simply responding to another person's comment.
Men also have high standards when dating. Women, for instance, tend to prefer guys around the same age as them. Men, on the other hand, all prefer women around the ages of 18-28, regardless of their own age.
Income also has nothing to do with body image.
Women are also the biggest consumers when it comes to plastic surgery. 80-85% of the people who get cosmetic/plastic surgery are females. Why would so many women want to alter their bodies in such a way if they were happy with their looks?
So you think I can't be of a certain opinion without actually creating campaigns for said opinion? What's stopping you from creating your own campaign? I don't believe you unless you start your own campaign, too. Can you specifically point out where I am shaming men?
Wrong again. Women actually prefer older men, men prefer younger women. Also women attempt more doesn't really mean anything (and does actually prove my point about how we view men, namely by not caring about them in the slightest). What women do do however is act out more. That's what that is, its a "cry for help" i. e. an attempt that was never meant to succeed, because women know that people will actually reach out and try to help them, men on the other hand know that no one gives a damn about them so they actually try to kill themselves hence them actually succeeding. As stated 80% of men are below average attractiveness according to women. If you look at the cover of magazines their are men with six packs and above average height and above average wealth and for women, well they are average and men are fine with that. I'm sorry that you cannot handle reality but this is the case as all data and your own personal experiences (if you where being honest about it) shows. Their is no merit to anything you have stated based upon statistical data. www.sciencedaily.com/.../981112075159.htm techcrunch.com/.../ www.businessinsider.com/female-standards-of-male-attractiveness-are-way-unrealistic-2013-4 Also as this points out not only are their a substantial number of men who experience body image issues, almost all the research pertaining to body image issues is for women who suffer from it (thus proving once again, that the issue isn't that men don't experience body image issues, its just that no one gives a damn about them (hence the higher suicide rate (and everything else really)): www.bradley.edu/.../ www.maxim.com/.../perfect-body-shapes-according-to-men-and-women-2018-1 www.dailymail.co.uk/.../...4B-bra-named-Nikki.html www.medicaldaily.com/short-women-still-prefer-taller-men-how-height-preferences-havent-changed-search-love-269037
As for surgeries, sure, more women get surgeries, whats your point? That is not a real measurement of over all body image issues. I mean according to reports about 1,084,000 adults in the US use steroids, almost all of which are men. That combined with the number of men who get surgeries, the men who are perpetually working out and dieting etc. etc. is an indicator of body image issues. So putting forth one small metric and saying its the complete story is just plain wrong. Meanwhile I have provided you with many many different metrics all showing conclusively that men do have body image issues, that women perpetuate them, that women have higher standards for men then men have for women (again, a no brainer as every woman's personal experience would tell them (unless they are just that conceited to think that they are a ten)) and that the only reason why we say things to the contrary is because we don't actually care about men (which is further proven by not only the fact that almost all the research on this subject completely excludes men but also the statistics that show men are losing in every category to absolutely no mention by women or society). So as stated you are wrong as the scientific data I have presented shows. You can believe what ever it is you wish to believe, but reality will remain as is.
As for shaming and campaigning, I'm not referring to literal campaigning I am stating you wouldn't be dismissive of the things that affect men. You hear women scream about how they are portrayed in media (you know, average) yet every cover of every romance novel has a man with a six pack. Women scream about how they are held to to high of a standard yet if you look at Hollywood actresses and compare them to the men, the men have six packs (far far more difficult to achieve then anything a woman would have to) while the women are. . . average. The list goes on. Yet here you are trying to dismiss everything, dismiss the data and pull the woe is me card. Again, we know for an absolute fact (as all the data I presented shows) that women do not have it worse when it comes to body image (I mean technically they have it better in all catagories). So your natural response is to ignore that and claim victimhood. That was what I was referring to, that your claiming that women have body images issues because of men (media) and then pretend like your not apply much more strict standards to men that are plastered EVERYWHERE. That's hypocrisy and thus shows you actually don't give a damn about the issue, you care about playing victim and getting pampered because again, if you did care you would care when it happens to all people rather then just your group.
@hellionthesagereborn I'm not being dismissive. I just answered the question. Just because I believe women are more psychologically harmed by the body image portrayed by the media, it doesn't mean I think men don't have it tough or that their problems should be overlooked. Literally my second to last sentence said "Not saying men don't have it hard.". So I don't really have the energy anymore to try to explain myself. I already said what I think and provided everyone with studies that back up my claims.
Except you didn't (I provided studies, many of them however). The fact is you do endors them, you do endorse the very thing you claim shouldn't be endorsed for women as almost all women do (Personally I don't even have an issue with that per say, its the damn victhood and hypocrisy that makes me angry about it and the claims that its men with the unrealistic expectations even when ever single study in the world shows the exact opposite (as I pointed out already and which you will ignore (because as you have already shown, you are dismissive of the issues as they pertain to men (as most women are (your biologically wired to care less for men then women (the women are swell affect)))). But I agree this is pointless.
Easily women. Girls are constantly told they need to remain slim, youthful, have no stretch marks, no cellulite, be clean-shaven, nice hair and must be picture perfect at all times. A simple stroll through a store will show this. Women have so many products geared to them that are meant to "enhance" their features. If that doesn't convince you, then look at the value of the female beauty industry. The female beauty industry is valued at nearly $550 billion (and is expected to go up to $800 billion by 2023). Meanwhile, the male equivalent is valued at about $100 billion, and even that number is greatly inflated due to the gay male population.
The only physical attribute required by men is that we don't be obese which isn't a hard task to accomplish as long as you eat right. Staying in decent shape as a male is not an impossible task. Hell, you don't even need a gym for that. Meanwhile, women are expected to look just like their high school pictures despite being 38 years old with 2 kids.
If you look, the men's health magazines have the same requirements. Men just don't wear makeup and are required to have a six pack. Most of the beauty products can be used by men as well but most men don't care enough. I'm not saying women don't "feel" more pressure, I'm saying it's actually equal if not worse for men regardless of how men feel. But all we hear is how terrible women beauty standards are with no mention of men.
I understand your point. I'm not taking away the beauty standards that men have thrown in front of them, but when compared to women and what hurdles they have to overcome, our beauty standards are nothing in comparison.
Men are not required to have a six-pack nor are we required to maintain our boyish looks well into our 30s. While having abs is the ideal look, it certainly isn't something that is constantly reinforced by society for men. No one isn't going to make fun of a guy because he doesn't have a six-pack or doesn't look like John Cena. Men are simply expected to not be obese, which isn't a huge tree to climb. Women are the ones who are expected to look like their 20-year-old version well into their late 30s which is very unrealistic
Eating disorder is way more common in women and cosmetic plastic surgery is a $17 billion industry mostly because of women getting breast/buttock augmentation as well as tummy tucks, liposuction, and botox injunction.
It's the male. since it's a unhealthy body image of someone that has odrodoxsi with to low body fat count no matter area in difference of female's and the personality how to be to be a real man in difference of female's, that is bombarded from female's most of the times, something that is rare the other way around that males rarely does toward females.
The female image on the physical part isn't unhealthy, it's a stereotypical healthy image un less you're going after photoshopped Instagram models, some old catwalk standards and the extreme body building and fitness just like with males that is projected to be like that in most areas. Yeah females might be more bombarded with body of a average healthy body. female's are many times more lazy and doesn't want to change their habits that will make them stay obsessive. uses victim strategy as an excuse with unrealistic theories to back it up. An other thing is that to many females creates their own bombardment to get attention and make money.
Bottom end is females standards for most of the bombardment for both genders.
Women are constantly assaulted with messages that, if you don't conform to that type, are negative towards us especially if we internalize the message.
Here's the thing though: we support each other and have outside support to let us know that we shouldn't listen to the BS that society says.
Men are now being accosted with the same messages... but there isn't really support for them. I hear it and I say it, but there isn't really groups saying that men are being targeted and absorbing toxic messages.
One reason why, I feel, is because most men are still stuck in that mindset that they are WEAK if they admit they have some type of an issue. So they don't come forward and speak up. That silence is what is truly killing a lot of men.
I would say women, because the "perfect body" is often portrayed as being extremely thin, to the point of even being underweight. I might be biased, as someone who had dealt with eating disorders, but I remember it being very damaging to my mental health. I was barely able to function, and many girls have it much worse than me. To this day I still struggle, and probably will struggle for the rest of my life. Not saying men don't have it hard, but at least they're allowed to eat like a normal human being
I did say I might be biased. Also Marilyn Monroe is not the ideal body type anymore. To girls, the ideal body type looks more like a victoria secret model.
Striving to be underweight is way more dangerous than striving to gain muscle. Women who try to gain that unrealistic body tend to skip meals or eat weird, resulting in malnutrition which can be disastrous for health. Anorexia is the most deadly mental disease to date.
Striving to be muscular doesn't have the same dangers. Sure, it can become an obsession just the same, but at least it won't easily kill you.
In addition, there's always been more attention to female looks than to males. Just see how many pictures of 'ideal' women you see per day compared to men.
I think men have it harder than women. All we need to do is keep a eye on our weight. Men on the other hand are expected to have huge muscles and without the right genes that's not always possible. Most men who go to the gym don't pack on as much meat, if any, that they would like.
That's very true. As an ectomorph, I strength train extremely hard for the past three years, and I basically maintain enough muscle 'not to look ill', as oppose to being a huge hulking beast!
@Levin there was some research that followed a large group of male gym goers for a year. They found 10% built noticeable muscle, 10% actually lost muscle and the remaining 80% looked the same as they did day one.
Don't u think women should also be well built? at least have a nice body shape? I don't know why they think we like slim & chubby women. Actually i don't like it.
I don't know about that.. because men CAN work out to get closer to the ideal body 'expected' of them, which is a more broader ideal as well. Woman seem to have an exact ideal body shape we are expected to have, and a lot of the time it's things we can't naturally change (like working out) i. e boob size, ass size and lip size are just a few of the things we don't have control over and get judged for if they're not "big enough" or "not the right shape" to men.
I dont understand you. You degrade yourself, you are a little bit misogynistic and present yourself as sex object. I dont know if you a man with pink profile
I m not talking about perfection. Don't u feel like passing on good genetics to your child? If u stay fit you can & if you don't, u can pass on serious diseases like heart disease, diabities, etc.
You can't create good genes. You inherit them from your parents. Exercise is more important for those with undesirable genes as it lowers the chances of them expressing themselves.
I'm 34 and have a 6 pack. When I was in my late teens I was getting a keg. Having a fit stomach is actually easy. But modern 'healthy' diets are 95 %Shit.
I have 11 percent body fat. But to be fair, I do probably ' need a good meal'!
It's not fair. It's not balanced. Why? The portrayal of overweight, morbidly obese and/or even scrawny men will never be glorified as "body positive" because women & media will consider it "gross!" Meanwhile, grossly obese women are now being pushed down our throats as "sexy?" Since the dawn of mankind, objectivity of women captured societies. It became expected & normal for women to show more skin. Now, even too much skin (that covers lots of blubber) is being promoted as sexy. Yet, if & when a obviously fat or scrawny man gets posted on the cover of a magazine with skimpy clothing, he'll be body shamed. I'm not saying the men should have their 15 minutes of fame too. I'd rather cease the promotion of fake female sexiness. This body positive crap is abusing the limelight. It's not healthy. It's harmful.
I say women mostly because they are more effected by the same thing than men are to begin with, then on top of that. Most of their idols body shapes are girls with surgeries, girls with superior genetics or girls with unhealthy habits/touched up end product through photoshop. It's s fantasy shape that doesn't exist so girls are chasing an illusion
So girls are working with idols that aren't even attainable from the jump. While us guys the vast majority of physiques we would want to have are attainable for most guys. Sure you might not ever have a perfectly symmetrical 6 pack or your calf/bicep insertions aren't the way you want. But overall you still look good and can get close through hardwork.
Same can't necessarily be said for girls, which is why there are constantly pushes to have new female rolemodels in the limelight of various shapes and sizes. Girls who look more like a subset of the population.
Women for sure. We’ve learned through the media that a particular body image is the most appealing that can only be attained through cosmetic surgery or suffering eating disorders. It’s rare when a man has a eating disorder, but I assume that muscle obsession is a body image problem. Most men are confident having some muscle definition but the guy you posted in men’s health, It’s photo shopped just like every woman you see in magazines. his waist is abnormally too narrow. What I’ve learned is that people need to stop comparing themselves to the people in magazines because the people in magazines are fake. And people need to stop trying to obtain an unrealistic goal. By all means, if you like working out and you have muscle definition and a flat stomach, then you already look great to real life standards.
Women. Not just in media but at home we're told to not at so much, suck in your stumach or you'll look fat. And a lot of other mean things. I was literally told that even as a 8 year old. And even when I was actually skinny my senior year and down to like 80 pounds I still had boys and girls saying I was fat. Men have a hard time. But lots of women don't really talk shit on men without abs or whatever like men claim we do. Sure they're nice to look at. But of the time that's all it is. Men really do now a days want some small waisted huge titty ass chick. Which is not realistic. Most women don't particullay care as much about the look of her man to that degree like they claim we do
It is unrealistic because skinny women don't usually have huge boobs and asses, and even if they do, big boobs=back pain+problems finding bras. You can't grow huge boobs and ass unless you are genetically lucky. Let's not forget that the big ass must come with skinny legs and thigh gaps because fuck reality. Who cares it doesn't look proportional? Women are just boobs and ass, nothing should draw your attention from those. Oh, and big duck lips, make sure you get injections, not just a boob and ass job.
And as a woman who works out with weights all I can say move your ass to the gym. You don't need to go below 12% to look good. Actually I find too ripped guys not appealing. 12%-17% is sustainable for a guy and will look good if you worked hard. Most girls don't find Mr. Olympia level attractive, or too ripped guys. Being generally fit is attractive. If you look at the celebs girls usually find hot they are fit, but nothing that is not naturally achievable or hard to mantain.
So you looked at women's crazy beauty standards but ignored men's. All of what you listed about women is also unnecessary to be attractive just like being below 12% boyfriend for men. That's not the point of the question.
You don't see women coming to men's instagrams to call thrm fat or weak. However, i saw plenty of thin/skinny women being bodyshamed by guys. Those guys come to their social media and complain their boobs/ass aren't as big as they like
I don't think what the media protrays is healthy for either sex. I've known both male and female anorexics. I've know both sexs with really f'd up body image views. I've had male friends obessed with body building to a dangerous degree. Just as I've known women that are always dieting and never relaxing about how they look. Body view problems are on the rise for both sexes. Really I think the only defense is to try to support each other and our youth with positive body image views. To value healthy over being a size zero or having a six pack.
Everyone who is saying women have it worse are close minded. Both sides have it bad and it can't really be judged equally because everyone thinks they have it worse than the other so this argument will go on for ages. It is true that women have eating disorders more often than men but this difference isn't about body portrayal by the media it's about how women and men take it differently. Men seem to care much less which I think is due to the fact that women have more pressure. This pressure doesn't just come from the media but from the general public. It is much more likely for a woman to be ridiculed on her appearance than a man based off of my observations not from the internet but just from daily life.
Based off what you’re saying, men. Based off logic, and women. Not all men are trying to get there bodies to look like that because it is more socially access to able for men to just be not fat with slight muscles. Women on the other hand have a lot of pressure on that. It is socially acceptable for them to be like, very skinny, men will likely choose an attractive women over a mediumly attractive women (that sounded wrong, probably was, who cares). To sum up, women need to look better than men do to become more socially acceptable.
I feel like this is not really a fair question. It is based on what is harder to achieve, I agree the 8 pack and there is likely more difficult than the girl in yoga pants. However, the main thing I think about here is that women are WAY more objectified for their bodies than we are. While you might feel like you need to look good, fact is they are told they need to look good, all of their life. Once you hit 30 no one cares that you got beer belly and don't shave. Women have the sociatle expectation to keep up appearances all of their lives, otherwise they are considered gross in mainstream beauty standards...
So yes, the 8 packs and v lines might be harder to obtain, but after you get out of high school and develop a real personality, this is not the general expectation for men, some of us go above and beyond but we don't get called out for being average. Where as I said before it is the expectation that women stay trim and fit...
Neither, because OURS isn't actually harmful (exercising hard and eating nutritiously is a GOOD thing, let's remember), and currently THEIRS doesn't encourage anything other than the lie of "hey, do literally whatever you want including stuff your face if you feel like it, and you'll still be pretty no matter what! And if anyone says that you're fat, even if you are, that's their problem for being a 'body-shamer,' whatever the hell that is!"
Now, if you'd asked this question before the Internet existed the answer would be THEIRS. Guys has never been harmful. But now, females' image isn't harmful either, just for the wrong reason. It seems that females no longer feel the pressure to actually be an attractive body weight anymore, given how many of them are so breathtakingly fat.
Men obviously; its just that women love playing the victim more often.
Men need to have abs, big muscles, look mature, great hair... even stuff men can't change like height! Women? Just don't be fat.
If you don't believe me, pick any game with character creation and on a male character try to make him as lanky and least muscular possible. You'll still end up with a pretty buff man. Almost all games do this, especially Asian games. Some Example: Soul Calibur, Code Vein, dark souls..
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Physically speaking it's far more difficult to obtain the media portrayal for men than it is for women. Psychologically speaking it affects more women because a woman's body is their main goal for attracting men. A mans main goal is to gain power/status and if the guy also has a really hot body then his status/power doesn't need to be as high. So, psychologically, I'd say women but if you have a man and a woman who are both trying to obtain the media portrayal of their respective sexes body image the man is going to have a harder time achieving said goal.
I would say women and girls and I think thats why women and girls may be very knit picky with guys or men as well because they are tired of getting judged so now they'll judge the opposite sex harshly as well, an eye for an eye. This is why we should stop attacking and body shaming others. Of course its better to be healthier and to be active you will look great and feel great but that doesn't mean it's the end all be all. I mean look at Ashley Graham, she's on the bigger side with stretch marks but I think she's beautiful.
Woman.. I only say that because most of the time we are expected to change things we naturally can't, like our boob size, ass size, lip size etc. Men can work out to get the "ideal" body, there is a lot more expected of woman and people judge you a lot more if you don't fit into that "ideal" body shape, compared to men.
Both men replying cause they aren't woman and don't understand the pressures we feel through social media, magazines, models and influencers, men and yes, other woman too. 🙃
I never said I did but I'm just going off what all the men in this poll have said, literally every single one of them has just talked about working out.
yeah and i'm sure you have no idea how difficult that is since most women consider rolling around on a yoga mat workout. anyway how can you take the word of other guys when you women consider these men to be below average? that means they clearly haven't done the necessary work on their appearance
"rolling round on a yoga mat", clearly you've never tried yoga! Working out is defined as a physical activity which will exercise several different muscles in one session. So by definition, it's is working out, I would class it more as stretching, but still. And I never said these men are below average, don't put words in my mouth. You're the one saying they haven't done the "necessary work", not me. 😊
i read somewhere that women rate 80% of men below average on dating apps so it's not really my word. that's why i said you women because it's something that most women believe
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