Who Will You Be Voting for in 2020?

[supercutebutt]

VOTE!

Joe Biden

Donald Trump

[N192K001]

I'm not looking forward to the November Presidential Election Day in the U. S. (I actually had fun with the 2019 May Philippine Senatorial Election voting absentee mail-in style.)

How does the U. S. citizenry tolerate the mix of candidates imposed by the 2party, winner-take-all system devoid of ranked-choice voting, proportional-representation, and many other options? (Okay, granted, we don't have ranked-choice voting in the PH, but we at least have a multi-party, proportional-representation system.)

The options are Pres. Trump, a senile Democrat whose biggest issue is completing sentences that make sense and doesn't humiliate him, and 'Democratic Socialist' aiming for a Nordic system… that is completely imaginary or far-removed from what they actually have in Scandinavia.

W. T. F., U. S. A.‽ There are 10 OTHER PARTIES out there！！！
⁰¹Libertarian National Committee, Inc. (L. N. C.) d. b. a. Libertarian Party (L. P.)
https://www.lp.org/
⁰²The Green Party of the United States (G. P. U. S.)
https://www.gp.org/
⁰³Constitution Party National Committee d. b. a. Constitution Party
https://www.constitutionparty.com/
⁰⁴Justice Party U. S. A.
http://www.justicepartyusa.org/ (in Indonesian‽)
⁰⁵U. S. Pirate Party (U. S. P. P.)
https://blog.pirate-party.us/
⁰⁷U. S. Transhumanist Party
https://transhumanist-party.org/
⁰⁸Socialist Party U. S. A.
https://www.socialistpartyusa.net/
⁰⁹Communist Party U. S. A. (C. P. U. S. A.)
https://www.cpusa.org/
¹⁰American Nazi Party (A. N. P.)
http://www.americannaziparty.com/

How are NONE of them even being considered‽

[N192K001]

Correction: There are 9 OTHER PARTIES out there！！！
⁰¹Libertarian National Committee, Inc. (L. N. C.) d. b. a. Libertarian Party (L. P.)
https://www.lp.org/
⁰²The Green Party of the United States (G. P. U. S.)
https://www.gp.org/
⁰³Constitution Party National Committee d. b. a. Constitution Party
https://www.constitutionparty.com/
⁰⁴Justice Party U. S. A.
http://www.justicepartyusa.org/ (in Indonesian‽)
⁰⁵U. S. Pirate Party (U. S. P. P.)
https://blog.pirate-party.us/
⁰⁷U. S. Transhumanist Party
https://transhumanist-party.org/
⁰⁷Socialist Party U. S. A.
https://www.socialistpartyusa.net/
⁰⁸Communist Party U. S. A. (C. P. U. S. A.)
https://www.cpusa.org/
⁰⁹American Nazi Party (A. N. P.)
http://www.americannaziparty.com/

[N192K001]

Correction 002:
⁰⁶U. S. Transhumanist Party
https://transhumanist-party.org/

[N192K001]

Correction 003: "The options are Pres. Trump, a senile Democrat whose biggest issue is completing sentences that make sense and doesn't humiliate him, and 'Democratic Socialist' aiming for a Nordic system… that is completely imaginary or far-removed from what they actually have in Scandinavia, and Army Maj/Rep. Tulsi Gabbard who is pro-diplomacy & anti-war, but has a horrific domestic-policy & tendency to be berated, dismissed, and utterly blacklisted by the media & her own party's leadership."

[BeingSingleBlows]

Yeah. But the majority of voters are in the center between Democrat and Republican. Last time I checked, that was about 80% of them. The other parties aren't so popular. They never win.

This isn't a communist, socialist, Nazi party country. Of course those parties don't have a chance. This is a Republic. The founders didn't want too much power given to the government nor the people. Our voting system makes sure that even the smaller populations get a voice rather that popular vote by the just the largest cities controlling the vote. In other words, It's pretty much each region gets a voice rather than by body count/majority rule.

I never heard of transhumanist party. That sounds weird. Also never heard of pirate or justice party.

[N192K001]

@BeingSingleBlows
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Of course, they never win: They're never given a chance in the 1st place, given the 'wasted vote' lie by scaring away any prospective voter who agrees, hence starting a cycle of unelectabilty. With rank-choice voting, people could vote for whoever they really want without fear of a so-called 'wasted vote', since their vote will go to their backup 2nd if the 1st doesn't make it.

Note: The 'wasted vote' isn't even real, given that the very purpose of a vote is to survey sentiments of the masses. Even if candidates don't rise to power, (in other multi-party democracies with various platforms) those in power use the results to navigate future actions, given the popularity (or lack thereof) of various positions. Given the vague 2party-system (where even what the 2 parties stand for is vastly different from just 1-2decades ago), the election results become 1 vague, meaningless for/against map. That's it. Nothing else. (And what's worse, U. S. votes don't necessarily represent voter's actual sentiments, but their tactical decisions based on an complex 'electability' play.)

[N192K001]

@BeingSingleBlows
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Just look at the other parties I mentioned. The Democrats can be split meaningfully into 4groups: the Greens (whose focus in the environment), the Justice (social justice warriors), Socialist (Sen. Sanders & his followers), Communist (the hardcore that consider Bernie too soft & mainstream), and to a smaller sense Libertarian (with a focus on civil rights). The Republicans can also be spit with sense into the 4 groups: The Libertarian (ex-Rep Ron Paul, his son Sen. Rand Paul, and their followers), the Constitution (more religious libertarians who are more into conservative Christian values), the Nazi (the actual White-supremacists), and the Republican (for the leftovers who don't want to change). Past the 2, we can start the conversation on other, very important topics held by the Pirate Party (focusing on our digital rights, like saving our privacy given the N. S. A. spying, Google's mass data-mining, the world's hackers & identity-thieves, etc.) and Transhumanist (whose focus is how far science should dominate our lives, though they seem to be aiming at the turning us all into cyborgs in a science-dominated utopia).

Why should Biden & Sanders fight for the same party-nomination when they can both be nominated by their own party? Why should Trump be the only (right-leaning?)?

[N192K001]

@BeingSingleBlows
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Why even have primaries at all? In other democracies, they all just run and the voters vote on the same day. Done! When the results are released, the winner is declared, but the detailed mapping of citizenry's opinions nationwide is taken into account as policies are setup. (If they don't, they won't rule for long or they will be punished in the next elections.) The focus is more proportional representation, rather than trying to dominate each other to win ALL representation.

I contest that people feel represented. If that were so, why does the Union have significantly lower voter-participation compared to most other democracies? A vote for a candidate should be a vote for that specific candidate, not 'stealing' votes (as if candidates were entitled and voters just give what's the what is rightfully theirs), not 'spoiling' races, and not choosing between repulsive candidates because better candidates were chased off for being 'unelectable' based on someone else's dictates to the free voters a free democracy.

[BeingSingleBlows]

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Of course they are given a chance. It wasn't just 2 parties runing in 2016. Jill Stein of the green party was on the election day ballot. Even if the candidate isn't on the ballot, they can still write whoever they want in. Harambe the gorilla that was killed that year had quite a few thousand write-ins in 2016🙈. I don't remember who else though. And people aren't scared to vote. All that is done confidentially.

II
Okay. That's clearer.

And you'd only want one candidate in a party so there is no splitting of votes between the two. That would give President Trump an advantage because there is no other option on the Republican side. All Republicans would vote for him while democrats would be split between Sanders and Biden if one of them chose to run third party. Both parties want to win and that gives the best chances with the right candidates.

III
Why have primarys? Each registered party citizen votes on their choice in their party to run but as a single candidate in the party. It's long so we get to know who we are voting for and know what we are getting. And that voting you described would be true if we were a democracy. We are a republic. We have a middleman between citizens and government (the electoral college and delegates in the voting process).

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@BeingSingleBlows
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Sure, they're considered… as mere a protest-vote. Also, a number of people (like the "Harambe" voters for a dead animal) don't even take their votes seriously. Other (like me), are fighting for an uphill battle for a better multi-party system that's either a very long-term battle to an possible victory or a chain of defeats (depending on the final outcome decades into the future).

The other parties taken seriously? lol I'm from a multi-party democracy. I've seen what that looks like when multiple parties have a chance of victory and are taken as seriously as the next. Trust me: This isn't the case in the U. S. (or we'd already have a diverse mix in Congress & the Presidency). Other parties can strive to having the best platform, but will be dismissed for having the wrong letter beside their name.

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What I meant was why Sen. Sanders & ex-V. P. Biden have to compete for the same nomination, while Pres. Tump is the only viable option for the Republicans. In a multi-party system, Sanders would be the nominee of the Socialist Party U. S. A., Biden the Democratic, Trump the Republican, plus we'd have far more candidates (maybe even far better candidates) from the other parties available (& equally electable as the other), so the selection wouldn't necessarily suck.

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@BeingSingleBlows
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The question on primaries related to the previous point. (The character-limit forced me to cut, but the cuts could have been done better. Oh, well.) Yes, I understand that the Union does have middlemen (like the Electoral College), but the democratic Republic of the Philippines is also a republic (which doesn't have middlemen in that regard). The end result in the PH is (as of 2020) high responsiveness & representation despite the carious platforms, ideologies, and sentiments across the republic. The Pres. has record-high approval numbers across the nation. Even the PH Congress enjoys high ratings and are actually getting things done, solving citizenry's issues, instead of bickering along party-lines (like in the U. S.), trying to dominate each other.

This is ridiculous! Just 20years ago (when we moved to the States), it was the opposite: The PH was depressing, a picture of how NOT to run a country, while the U. S. was the shining beacon of how to do it correctly. Now, it's the opposite, and hyper-polarization on both dominant parties seems to be breaking this Union apart. This is sad & stunning to me. U. S. democracy seems screwed, neither side seems happy, and the electoral-system needs overhauling.

[legalboxers]

you :)

[legalboxers]

ty for MH! #supercutebutt2020 #supercutebutt2024

[Secret6620]

Definitely won't be voting. I don't want any responsibility for which monster ends up president next. And unless they do away with the electoral College the people's vote a. k. a popular vote doesn't actually matter. So everyone can vote but at the end of the day the Senate makes their final choice using the electoral college. Seems like a waste of time and there is no legit proof that your vote is considered after submitting the ballot. So like gambling, I'd rather not play the odds. Unless God runs for president, I am good 👌😇🙏

[Anonymous]

im sorry not to be rude but the trump pic though.. you did him dirty lol can't stop laughing

[opnbuk59]

Because Trump is no politician he's not pandering to the people he's saying what he truly wants to do here did more in one month in office than any other president elect, Democrats it's shameful how they are towards trump r finally got s guy who didn't afraid to call it as it is not trying to be condescending kissing ass bullshiting you as Democrats do here you have someone who loves this country want to protect it up hold our laws, sanctuary cities for illegals is against the law they were elected to uphold the laws not pick and choose which but talk of them it's time people realize they work for us not other way round but these people think they are God's once elected and why in the hell is it always 95 years old timing for office is there not a viable younger candidate out there what in hell can a 95 year old do running this country they don't even know where they are half the time what happen to the fire in the American people this is the last free country one the beacon is out so to goes hope for all who seek to be free, we must unite as one Nations again onepeople one country, not hiding abuse Asian African American but AMERICANS stop the division please

[Kkaos]

A divided society is a weaker society. A powerful society is what the elites fear most, therefore they'll try to bait groups and cause division.

[OfDeath]

Since I'm not an American citizen, I obviously won't be voting for either of them.

Looking in from the outside, both are way too old if you ask me. If Joe Biden somehow wins the nomination and then the election, he would be in his 80s before the end of his first term. I don't know why he wants to do this to himself crazy.
Even Trump doesn't exactly have his life ahead of him. If I was Trump, I'd want to just step aside for another Republican and claim that I had got the ball rolling bit now someone else has to run it to the end zone.

[just_a_potato]

Not me because I don't turn 18 till next year 😉

But to be frank I think I'd prefer Trump over Joe Biden, I don't really know much about him. At least I KNOW Trump likes to destroy things, but what the hell does this Biden guy like to do? Now you know why I don't do politics.

[Kaneki05]

Hahaha there is a simple pages that just tell you small infomation about them like a new york times one and tbh that's all you kinda need to know.
Joe is about helping working class.
But bernie sandes is best vote by far he wants to make medical care free and eduction for free. Which well i don't have to explain why that is good.
And trump is all about making medicare worse by getting rid of what obama did to help healthcare so no just nope lol.

[just_a_potato]

Oooo noted

[Brindale]

I mean, Biden hasn't really actually said shit about his policies, and I've gotten a bunch of DMs from "reasonable" Republicans who said they're going to dox my family and rape my sister/etc. because I said Trump is a manipulative piece of shit, so I'll just protest vote Bernie Sanders for the meme

[ShineDJJ]

Quid-Pro-Joe is a senile gaffe machine. Like, could you imagine him confusing Confusing Emmanuel Macron with Nicolas Sarkozy? Worse, could you imagine him traveling to Korea and calling it Japan? The guy would probably praise CCP leaders while in Tibet. Plus, the whole Hunter and Burisma thing. Obama hasn't even endorsed him, and I take that as a huge message from 44 Democrat voters. Joe also supported the Iraq war. There's more, but you know, character limits. I'll be voting for either Bernie or Tulsi (hope she can overcome the DNC) in my state's primary.

[wankiam]

thats intersting about obama not endorsing him... i mean the rest of it could also be said about the orange man but thats a good point on obama seeing as he was a warmonger himself in many ways

[supercutebutt]

President Obama will endorse Joe 100% guaranteed.

[wankiam]

well he always liked to jump on the bandwagen but he hasn't commented thus far and he has had plenty of chances to

[supercutebutt]

@wankiam So you think President Obama will endorse Trump?

[wankiam]

no... but he isn't saying how great biden is right now is he and he should know bettr than most and be in the best position to do so... i see he has even avoided the question when the press have asked him directly if he supports biden...

[supercutebutt]

@wankiam Obama loves Joe Biden. You will see.

[wankiam]

well even if he does end up endorsing him who is to say that isn't infact the kiss of death anyway... i mean obamas track record wasn't so great was it? and no im no fan of trump... just a realist who like the other old guy down the page aslo has the luxury of having seen it all before too

[ShineDJJ]

Ew, I made grammar errors.

[supercutebutt]

Perhaps you are the senile gaffe machine?

[wankiam]

he is 24

[wankiam]

perhaps you should keep an eye on who is saying what lol... to make it easier if you want to carry on trying to convince me you aren't blind feel free to pop back to my own thread

[supercutebutt]

@wankiam Apparently that doesn't matter.

[ShineDJJ]

I'm just not a morning person. Nice try, though.

[BeingSingleBlows]

President Trump already won.

I will vote him, but its not like my vote will count. I'm in uber liberal California... Which is kind of embarrassing. It was fun watching everyones shock around here last election not making any sense of how Hillary lost. It'll be fun again as they think there is no way he can win now.

[RickPen]

Like the late W. E. B. Dubois, I will refrain from voting.
Here's an article to his reasons. Nearly 70 years later and they seem eerily similar.
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45a/298.html

[BellumEtPacem]

I'm not sure, but I do I know I won't vote for the old man with memory loss (Joe Biden). I doubt that Biden can beat Trump simply due to his inability to form coherent sentences. The debates between the two will be spectacular. Also didn't he call someone a "Lying Dog Faced Pony Soldier"?

[Kaneki05]

Bernie sanders or joe biden are the best 2 choices. bernie would be my vote just cause free medical care and free eduction are 2 things all countrys need.

[Liam_Hayden]

Nothing that requires the resources of another is free.

[Kaneki05]

@Liam_Hayden well duh. You know what i mean like how uk has it. Don't be a dumbass pointing out something that is basically saying oxygen is on earth.

[BeingSingleBlows]

Free college education isn't a need. A lot of people get by without college. But of course that depends on career direction.

And medical care... We have the best in quality and access. Unfortunately it's far more expensive compared to others. Nothing is perfect about it but sacrifices will need to be made somewhere. Changing to another countrys model would be a downgrade. If it's free to everybody, access to healthcare will go down a lot. You may have to wait many, many months for appointments that may be necessary sooner regardless if it's more urgent or not. And people will always abuse free stuff more than they should. I'd rather have great quality when I need it, not how soon it will be available to me.

[Paige90]

@Kaneki05 spelling isn't one of your strengths, is it? Typical Bernie/democrat voter.

[Kaneki05]

@Paige90 have deylixa so well thanks for been a typical bitch who thinks everyone can and should be able to spell. Without knowing there situation that they actaully have medical reason for why they cannot.

[Kaneki05]

@BeingSingleBlows you make fair points. But opening up more career options for people is never a bad thing.
Then medical wyes you are correct maybe a drop in quailty or maybe not depends how they do it. I would rather have quailty drop a bit for everyone with mental problems or something wrong with them to be treated.
Like a person with depression then has to pay to get therapy that always seems dumb to me, i know people who actaully complain that they cannot get therapy and stuff that they need.

Meanwhile uk just gives it to everyone.

[Anonymous]

Definitely not a guy who thinks China isn t a competitor to the US simply because his son was put on the board of a Chinese company. That would be Sleepy Joe, the groper.

[Paige90]

Hunter Biden was put on a Ukrainian board not Chinese.

[LatinaMami2020]

I don’t like Trump but he will win. Most young people do not care enough to vote. Old people are voting for Biden but that’s not enough to beat Trump.

[Kaneki05]

I dunno most young people will see bernie sandes free eductaion and free medical care as pretty damn good to vote for.

[LatinaMami2020]

@Kaneki05 the young people did not show up to vote yesterday. I don’t know what will make them listen.

[Anonymous]

Neither they are both aging baby boomers who have a prior record of sexism, racsim, and representing nothing but corporate interests.

Wish people would wake up and stop voting for one of the two major corporations who could care less about any of us.

[wankiam]

if that is the choice you end up with i feel sorry for anyone trying to decide

[wankiam]

dont know why you downvoted that pinky... i would suggest you need a reality check

[wankiam]

giant douche or turd sandwich?

[wankiam]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVwh8PW6r88

[Creepazoid]

Lol which one would I be when I run for 2032?

[N192K001]

Seconding this.

There are 9 other registered parties (listed in my answer) compared to the 2 abusive, under-performing parties that have clearly failed the Union's voters for decades. Yet, like hostages under Stockholm syndrome, they continue to reward them with votes, refusing en-masse to consider anything else.

How is the U. S. model the benchmark for the world's other democracies?

[myd_nudie]

I don't wanna vote neither of them but as there is no other choice here I'll go for Joe Biden...

Donald Trump hell no even if he register a villa in beach side on my name 😜😂😂😂

[reptocarl]

Trump. Why the fuck would I want to go backwards into Obama politics?

[reptocarl]

This poll sure didn’t turn out the way you thought did it lol

[Anonymous]

I'm confused biden thinks he's running for Senate and trump is running for president so couldnt we vote for both

[Rissyanne]

Lol...

[Red_Arrow]

You are absolutely right. You ARE confused!

[Opinion Owner]

Biden said it not me. I know it's being covered up because the dnc and news is doing everything they can to protect him. But he said it.

[Rissyanne]

https://youtu.be/WqS4m-8B4IQ

His own words

[Opinion Owner]

@Rissyanne that's not fair using what biden actually said. Lol

[Rissyanne]

I know it but I do love uncle joe

[DomTreddo]

As a Canadian I see Bernie Sanders as a good canidate. At least he doesn't insult his supporters. But I like what Trump is doing minus his history. Before my fellow American friends get angry know that I don't really like your system.

[supercutebutt]

Besides dividing people, what is Trump doing that you like? Destabilizing the markets with his lies?

[DomTreddo]

He's trying to defend the border. If you think Trump is trying to ruin the markets with his "lies" then I won't bother. I'm not pro Trump. I'm pro democracy and that's it without offending any other groups of people.

[DomTreddo]

I'm trolling with you about Trump. I'd prefer Sanders over Trump. He's caused more problems than Obama

[NorthwestRider]

You have Biden but not Beanie

How the heck you would think Biden can beat Trump? Biden does not remember which state he is plus he is another establishment hack

I hate both Biden and Trump

[Red_Arrow]

Easy. trump can’t remember that Puerto Rica is part of the United States, that wind turbines are not windmills, and qo other things every day.

[NorthwestRider]

@Red_Arrow Both Biden and Trump do not have their head screw on

[Texaskid1]

@Red_Arrow Do most Americans know that Puerto Rico is a US territory? Most people probably think it is pat of Mexico.

[Red_Arrow]

I have known PR is a territory since early grade school. Everybody I know knows that! Do people in Texas think it is part of Mexico?

[FakeName123]

Definitely the better candidate. lol

https://www.youtube.com/embed/L4OYPiV1GsY

[normalice]

The democrat. Be it biden, sanders, clinton.. doesn't matter.