Before you answer, let me give you the definitions for terrorism (word for word): 1: The use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes. 2: The state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization. 3: A terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.
I think that they are domestic terrorists, because they are baiting people into riots by leaving bricks and other objects in areas where protests are being held. They claim that black lives matter, but it's just a cover so they can infiltrate the protest, do and say what needs to be said to escalate the peaceful protest into a riot. And then let the rioters do the rest. Their goal is to try and do what they can to get as many people as possible to hate Trump, and remove him from office.
As for the second part of my question, the people being arrested and accused of being members of ANTIFFA are being bailed out by people from the Democratic campaign team. Of course all people are innocent until proven guilty, however if these people are found guilty, then that means that the Democratic party has become so desperate to try and take down Trump they've resorted to supporting a domestic terrorist organization to try and do it. And that disgusts me.
Even if these accused are innocent, I'm still never voting or supporting Democrats again. Ever since I moved away from my mom, I've been able to see the world for what it is. Social media outlets are able to choose what information is made available to us, and news companies found that fake news sells better than real news. The more a news article headline offends and outrages people, the more people read and share it, which means the more money they make. And it doesn't matter how wrong it is and how many lies are put in it, so long as they make a ship load of money.
Took that picture on my way out of D. C. today. Can't rotate it upright.
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I feel like it's unfair to not point out that due to the quarantine tension had been high, and the death of George Floyd was just the was just the match that set everything off. However the riots are the wrong way to deal with his death. And the looting for people's own personal and selfish gain, and claiming they are acting because black lives matter, that is no way to honor the memory of George Floyd.
Do you think ANTIFFA is a terrorist group, and have the Democrats gone too far by supporting them?
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Antifa has crossed the line of becoming a terrorist group. When they first got started, they would counter protests. They are the same as Hitlers brown shirts and Mussolini’s black shirts during ww2. Hell, even the flag isn’t that much different, except for color changes, rearranging the flags. They are being paid by the Soros family, prob George, Peter, and Alex. Obama is involved, he founded ISIS, and he was a community organizer. During his presidency he denied for 8 years that the military have competent command against ISIS. In many situations our military was literally arming, and training them. Plenty of protests by military members holding signs that read “ I didn’t sign up in order to train our enemies.” When the us military would leave an area all of a sudden leaving behind perfectly unused equipment, when the commanders wanted to destroy the equipment, they were DENIED, we basically gave them everything, all except placing a nice new giant red ribbon. The reason why General Flynn has been dragged though the mud, treated so poorly is because he was a strong outspoken voice against radical militant Islam. That’s why he was targeted first and then after he was gone people went after Trump. Basically general Flynn as the Director of National Intelligenc was overseeing everything intel agency (17 in total) in the figurative way of saying it General Flynn knew how the cake was made, he understood where the bodies were burning, he knew ALL the damage that was done. That’s why now after being exonerated, the FISA judge Emmet Sullivan is now getting a lawyer, he knows that what he did to Flynn was wrong, but he didn’t have a choice, he was just following orders. Hillary is involved as well. But so far they are in the possible lineup of being declared a terrorist group, along with ms13. Antifa at this point has become far worse than KKK. Are people really going to over react and bitch when they are declared terrorists? That’s going to be just as funny as everyone assuming that they are not evil... it’s not a conspiracy theory, everyone’s home, pay attention to the news that isn’t cnn, mad cause, nbc, fox, etc... because them and the newspapers, magazines are just going to lie to you. Go to www dot qmap dot pub for real information. Do your own research, everyone’s home now. Because everyone’s home and wearing masks, isn’t it an odd coincidence that now antifa is back in the streets more violent than ever with masks? Ask yourself why.
After these assholes defaced public monuments on the National Mall, and did their best to destroy a church near the White House, I have absolutely zero problems with the military presence in D. C. or any other city where riots have taken place.
If they want to protest, fine. Have at it. When that protest resorts to destruction of public and private property, those individuals who do that need their asses kicked. Business owners shouldn't have to sit outside their establishments with guns to protect them. In fact, WHY do I need to use my 2nd Ammendment rights to protect myself and property against these assholes? They're terrorists alright. Domestic ones, but nonetheless terrorists.
I took an oath decades ago... to preserve, protect, and defend the US Constitution against ALL enemies, foreign AND DOMESTIC. The last time I checked, I have not been released from that oath. When Antifa makes claims they're going to bring their destructive crap into the suburbs, I say bring it. They're going to find a LOT of us aren't going to put up with their destructive methods concerning our homes. The result is likely a lot of them may walk in, but their departure will be in a body bag.
I don't think that ANTIFA fits the definition of "terrorist" for a few reasons. The main reason I don't consider them terrorists is because ANTIFA is a group that doesn't exactly use unlawful violence and intimidation in pursuit of political or religious aims themselves. Instead, ANTIFA is more of a reactionary group that may or may not resort to violence in response to injustice, depending on the situation. In other words, you don't randomly hear about ANTIFA going around shooting or blowing people up to spread some sort of cause. In fact, we don't hear anything about ANTIFA when people in power are properly conducting themselves. However, ANTIFA definitely will respond to acts of injustice that shouldn't be happening such as police misconduct or any form of White supremacy that gets swept under the rug and respond accordingly with protests. Under their first and second amendment rights, they have the right to assembly, militia, to arm themselves, and protect themselves from other violent opposition if need be. For that reason, I believe that ANTIFA could possibly fit the definition of "freedom fighters" rather than "terrorists." ANTIFA is also a political movement, not an actual group that you can join with its own set ideology. Literally anyone can claim the ANTIFA name and start engaging in random acts of violence. For that reason, it would be very difficult to pinpoint them as "terrorist" without identifying any set structure or core ideology that represents them. Personally, I wouldn't even concern myself with ANTIFA because doing so would be a distraction. Instead, I would concern myself with the reason that ANTIFA even responds to things in the first place. For example, if you only hear about ANTIFA because of police brutality, end police brutality. Problem solved.
@WarAmongUS: A terrorist group is a organization that uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims. ANTIFA isn't even an organized group. It's a political movement that is anti-fascist that only responds to things that shouldn't be accepted, such as injustice and White supremacy. Therefore, it can't be a terrorist group. While it's possible that a few individual members could engage in terrorist-like behavior, that doesn't represent the group. Nonetheless, if you could prove to me that ANTIFA is an organized group that you could join that formed for the sole purpose of spreading violence strictly for political purposes, then I'm all ears. Why do you think otherwise, simply because Trump said so?
They are a bunch of anarcho-communists who think the law doesn’t Apply to them. Most of them are college students and teenagers who like sipping Starbucks coffee and are ungrateful brats who don’t realize how good they have it. The funny thing is that they think this is a fascist country but if this were truly a fascist country, Antifa would have been suppressed by now. The only reason why they can manifest in the streets is because of the first amendment which they ironically have issue with because of what they call “hate speech”.
Antifa are nothing more than cosplayers playing make believe, they think they are part of some kind of resistance movement fighting some imaginary fascist boogeyman. But in reality they are the real fascists who’ve been angering a lot of people on both sides of the political spectrum with their antics. These clowns even fight amongst each other every once in a while.
But to answer your question I think antifa are more of a mob who needs to be stopped by the authorities before these anarcho-communists gain more momentum and influence. I also think the dems need to stop vouching for Antifa, it doesn’t look good for their party to be supporting a group of troublemakers.
Just as most of the major media are the propaganda arm of the Democrat party, Antifa has become the paramilitary arm of the Democrat party. Think that's an overstatement? Think back a few years ago when Antifa was rioting in Berkeley, Portland and other Democrat-run cities. What did the Democrat mayors do? They ordered their police forces to stand down in the face of the violence and looting. Of course Antifa is a terrorist organization. And when the authorities retreat and surrender (as they did in Minneapolis when the police surrendered that precinct building to the mob) it only emboldens them. But then you have to remember that Minneapolis has been run by Democrats for decades. You have to connect the dots that are right in front of you.
ANTIFA isn't even an organization, this is ridiculous. This supposed designation is nothing but pure virtue signaling and an intentional slippery slope to get rid of ANY protesters by simply claiming their "members" of ANTIFA (which can't be proven right or wrong because, again, there's no organization). Oh, by the way, when are Fascists like the Alt-Right and the Proud Boys going to be designated terrorist organizations? Yeah, exactly The hypocrisy of you right-wingers is otherwordly.
Yes, they are. They aren't anti-fascist. They ARE fascist. AntiFA should mean Anti First Amendment. Antifa acts exactly like the Nazi Brown Shirts of a century ago. Violent thugs with no true ideology. These Leftists are in many countries under many names. They have no vision. They are anarchists.
NO I think Republicans and the Proud Boys are to blame. Your crackpot cheeto God encouraged brutality and a racist cop murdered another African American man. You have sown the wind and you will reap the whirlwind. You assholes are SO out of power in November!!
Antifa was the paramilirary wing of the German communist party post WWI. It is a terrorist organization that made the nazis justify using violence against anyone and everyone. This solidified the rise to power of hitler.
Everyone who commits politically motivated violence is placed outside of the democratic debate of society. Those who cooperate should be put under investigation.
No, I think the groups Antifa turn out to counter - the so-called Alt Right - are responsible for the vast majority of the violence & destruction. You don't have to look far to see this.
@MrOracle Oh yes they do. Their silence when these dipshits show up at rallies, conventions, and other political events speaks volumes about the GOP's support for these groups. Don't try to put that line of bullshit over on us - we know where the Right's sympathies lie.
@AllThatSweetJazz If you care to look, you'll find many stories of the Alt Right seriously injuring and even killing people. Have you heard of Antifa killing anybody? I'd say murder isn't "nothing".
I’d say *nothing* is “nothing”. The alt right are utterly ineffectual, they’re a scapegoat for Antifa and the media to point to.
Antifa not killing anyone directly as far as I can recall is luck, but you don’t need to kill anyone to be a terrorist. But they obviously are participating in these riots and support them, so Antifa aren’t clean here given the bodies piling up over the last week.
@AllThatSweetJazz Ah, so the fact that the Alt Right has been killing people, putting people in the hospital, destroying vehicles and buildings, driving cars into crowds of people and burning down buildings for the past 10 years or so is *nothing* compared to Antifa, who... well they get video taped yelling at people. Is that right?
@HungLikeAHorsefly "taped yelling at people" is all you got? How about cracking people over the head with bike locks?
And no the alt right haven't done that shit anywhere near to the extend that Antifa has. So if you think "yelling at people" is all they've done, then I wouldn't be surprised if you just outright mistake all that violence over the years to not be Antifa. They're thugs dude, peaceful protest is anathema to them.
@AllThatSweetJazz Here in Portland, just a few blocks down from my house, the Proud Boys raided a tavern just because they thought they saw an Antifa guy hanging out there. One of them ended up breaking a woman's neck while he beat her unconscious. She wasn't even Antifa.
Another time, Alt Right groups surrounded the headquarters of the Democratic Socialists of America (Portland chapter) and beat anybody who tried to leave. Another time, an Alt Right dude tried to run a college student over with his truck during a protest. Another time, an Alt Right guy decided to start beating people with a police baton during a protest. Another time, a couple of Alt Right guys chased a guy down with their truck, jumped out and beat him half to death. Another time, an activist who had received death threats from an Alt Right group got murdered right in front of the Multnomah County Democratic Party headquarters.
Another time, the Portland police arrested 17 people for assault at an Alt Right rally. Was it Antifa or the Alt Right that got violent, you ask? Here's a picture of the weapons they confiscated:
Do those look like things Antifa would carry into a protest?
And then if you want to quit harping on Portland for a while, we can talk about the violent assaults the Alt Right has committed in New York City, in Seattle, in San Francisco... the list goes on. And let's not forget Charlottesville...
And let's also not discount the fact that nearly all of the recent acts of *actual* domestic terrorism have been committed by people who were either literally members of the Alt Right or who were heavily influenced by them. I can provide a list, although I think it's pretty self explanatory at this point.
Bunch of nonsense, dude. The proud boys whole deal is that they maintain the moral high ground by not being the ones to start a fight. Everyone calls them racist and Nazis for literally anything they do, they can’t afford to not have the moral high ground when there’s that kind of irrational scrutiny on them. Eh they’re not even alt right, it’s just some nasty buzzword their opponents want to attach to them while not understanding, or outright ignoring, what it really means.
Not like it matters what they or the alt right do. Even if the alt right weren’t impotent, your mistake is thinking that would even remotely validate any of the overwhelming array of bullshit Antifa has gotten up to.
I love how everyone cites Charlottesville though. Because that’s like the only time anything every happened from the alt right, and they basically faded away after that. Meanwhile *every other* protest is Antifa looking for violence.
“All of the recent acts of domestic terrorism” are either mixed or Antifa, depending on how low level we go. Antifa is systematic low level terrorism meant to destabilize society. Like 20 states are on fire rn, and the media will call Antifa virtuous while also saying they don’t really exist so they can’t be called terrorists. They’re all being crazy.
@AllThatSweetJazz Riiiiight... I just gave several examples of violent shit the Proud Boys, Patriot Prayer, etc have done. Of course the PB are going to take that stance - two of their members just got convicted of felony assault in New York. They've gotta play it safe, from a public relations point of view. And unlike Antifa, they actually do have a leader.
You're in denial about just how heavily invested the American Right is in violence and domestic terrorism. It's like we live in two different worlds. Unfortunately, I actually have both Antifa and the Alt Right in my world. How about you? Do you have any experience with this at all in your community?
I'm glad you two are at least continuing to talk about your opinions. @Numbnuts86 blocked me before a could even reply to his comment about my comment.
@HungLikeAHorsefly “I just gave several examples of violent shit the Proud Boys, Patriot Prayer, etc have done.” No. You claimed several things, doesn’t mean they’re real. And you also don’t get to just lump all those groups together arbitrarily. When they behave differently as groups, that’s relevant. Then also, they’re not alt right, that’s another problem. Finally, none of that matters because it doesn’t excuse anything antifa does.
“Of course the PB are going to take that stance - two of their members just got convicted of felony assault in New York. They've gotta play it safe, from a public relations point of view.” They took that view for their entire existence, jsyk. The only reason the antifa members didn’t get charged as well is because they covered their faces, that example is not an instance of any kind of moral superiority by antifa, the reason you bring it up is specifically because it’s one of the few, if only, instance of proud boys (arguably) stooping to antifa’s level. When confronted by antifa after an event, they jumped into the fight at the same time as antifa rather than wait for antifa to establish themselves as the aggressors. That’s where they fucked up, and those charges are excessive given what went down.
“And unlike Antifa, they actually do have a leader.” You say that as if it’s a problem. Besides antifa do have leaders, just not “official” leaders of registered organisations. There’s an antifa handbook telling you how to structure an antifa cell, and part of it is specifically not naming your group and keeping your structure vague. The intent being that if they don’t structure themselves in any official capacity then they can’t be labelled terrorists and the like. Again, not like it matters. You don’t need a leader to be a terrorist.
“You're in denial about just how heavily invested the American Right is in violence and domestic terrorism.” You’re in denial that they are. Right wing protests aren’t the ones getting violent, they wave around US flags, hang out for a while and then go home. Unless antifa shows up, then things get nasty. My money is on you not even knowing what right wing means. I’d bet your image of it is just Nazis.
“I actually have both Antifa and the Alt Right in my world” Your mistake is thinking that means you see things clearly.
“Do you have any experience with this at all in your community?” Yes, just on a smaller scale. But the important part is I actually pay attention to the evidence. I can see the excess of footage of antifa starting fights and attacking people, not to mention the support they get in the media. And I see the absence of footage of similar right wing violence, even from the virtually non-existent *supposedly violent* alt right. There’s no condoned violence on the right, but antifa violence has often been outright supported.
They very clearly are terrorists and they should be treated like Isys or Al-Qaeda
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Antifa are the textbook definition of terrorists. Anyone who supports them is either ignorant or has an agenda. The Democrats have to be out of their minds to support such hateful and destructive people.
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