Has the experiment that is multiculturalism largely succeeded or failed?

[Physics-Man]

Succeeded

Failed

Other

[007kingifrit]

i can't help but notice all the diverse parts of america are on fire right now... clearly it didn't work.

diversity isn't a good thing, and democracy depends on having ONE culture to work or we can't all get along. Infact diversity never does any good anywhere; only harm

diversity hurts civic trust and unity https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/j.1467-9477.2007.00176.x

diversity damages economic growth

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1053535709000699

diversity causes people to avoid interacting with their community https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/juaf.12015

infact here is an analysis of 87 different studies combined together on the subject of diversity….. not a single one found a positive effect of diversity…quite the opposite https://www.researchgate.net/publication/335924797_Ethnic_Diversity_and_Social_Trust_A_Narrative_and_Meta-Analytical_Review

[Tea-Spaghetti]

Your last link keeps shoving malware down my phone I don’t even know if it can be trusted.

[Tea-Spaghetti]

Contact and mingling of ethnicities has been a factor of human history since near the beginning it is not going away anytime soon. Policies to prevent the contact of ethnicities serve only to keep our society in a totalitarian state of regressiveness and fear. It is stupid

[Freija1989]

@Tea-Spaghetti True. In fact it was the source of the Roman Empire ' s progress. India on the other hand was left behind because it was mostly isolated from too many foreign cultures and is nowadays picking up and progressing because it gets involved in collaborating and mingling with various cultures. Diversity is good if managed correctly and tribal ambitions to annihilate or subdue other cultures are avoided ( it applies to minorities too, such as the Muslims, they shouldn ' t try pushing their religion, but selling spices, food, threads and teaching us traditional Middle Eastern, Turkish etc crafts, arts, ways of entertainment and others are very welcome ).

[Tea-Spaghetti]

@Freija1989 Yeah I agree. not saying multiculturalism is ONLY good or ONLY bad just that it's a natural event and we should just learn to work with it at a pragmatic level... Anyways whatever I don't want to drag this on sorry. Thanks for your support.

[DCooper]

To clarify things here, multiculturalism is not the mixing of cultures into a larger whole. That's assimilation. Multiculturalism is cramming separate cultures together while maintaining all the cultural differences. There's a huge difference. Assimilation combines all the most successful traits of various cultures to form a new and better one. Multiculturalism just increases tensions and ultimately causes violence.

So, judging by the degree to which people identify with various subgroups today and can't stand one another, I'd say multiculturalism has succeeded. Changing from an assimilation model to a multiculturalism model was not intended to improve anything, it was meant to increase strife.

[Physics-Man]

Right on. Beautiful response.

[AllThatSweetJazz]

It’s all about scale and culture.


The ingress needs to be limited so as to not overwhelm the receiving culture and it also needs to be the dominant cultural force in the loves of the immigrants. Subcultures can be okay, but first and foremost you need to be adopting the values of the receiving country. Ideally you should already hold those values and going to the receiving country allows you to embrace them fully.
Regions were it has been uncontrolled and too many people have come and formed insular communities — that is a problem, that is failing multiculturalism.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Failed. Multiculturalism is a disaster. Once you start to mix people in bunches from different religions, languages, races and different political systems you are bound to see conflict within that society.

Humans are tribal by nature and do better in a homogeneous society.

[Physics-Man]

Right fucking on.

[BeenThereLovedIt]

I would argue it's succeeding, but with the internet came the opinions, and racism found a platform to scream from, and then form groups, and then well now we have a racist minority in charge of the country and doing everything they can to make it a racist majority by gassing every spark of racism they see. Now we all see infernos and the black people are being forced (again) to fight for equality, or at least their civil rights.

The "white" public used to hate the Irish. Jews were looked at suspiciously. Abe Lincoln wasn't just a racist, EVERYONE then was. That was the norm, and accepted public consent. A lot has changed for the better since then but we still have a ways to go.

[cth96190]

The failure of multiculturalism was inevitable, because it is contrary to the order of nature and the demonstrated will of God.
Multiculturalism is the Communist term for destroying Western Civilisation and exterminating the white races by flooding the West with the population of the Third World and, at the same time, encouraging miscegenation.

[jshm2]

We'll let you know when it is ever actually implemented.

The problem with so called talkers in multiculturalism, is that they forget that it is nothing compared to the mainly White institutions, and systemic racism the multiculturalism stands in.

Hence it's like throwing a little spice on a potato salad, and then claiming it's a "spicy potato salad".

No Western country has moved past it's colonial and racist history to ever properly embrace multiculturalism. Hence the reason every Western country has the problems with it, that it has.

[007kingifrit]

this is the exact same argument communists use "oh real communism has never been tried"

no its been tried, it just doesn't work in the real world

this is multiculturalism; you're living in it right now... this is it... it doesn't work

[hellionthesagereborn]

Well it was highly sucessful in the US up until the 90s when they destroyed it by encouraging hatred of the US, hatred of whites, and told them to not respect our laws and our culture and to essentially break away into their own groups. Thats when multiculturalism failed. Prior to that the US was doing great with it because we were all working together towards a common goal and didn't have each group go off and refuse to cooperate with every other group.

[SuccessfulHornDog]

I am fine with the multiculturalism I am not fine with leftist politics dividing us all to based on ethnic differences and manufacturing racial strife. They are race baiters whose goal is to always keep us divided. They will lose their power if we work together so that is the last thing that they want to see

[mrArcher]

It depends on how deep our perspective of culture is. If by culture we reffer to only aesthetic expressions like food and dance and stuff like that... No, it is not a failure. But about things like family values, the role of the state and other stuff, yes, most definitely. Some cultures are largely incompatible with one another.

[Shezadi]

I am a British Pakistani, who migrated to England at the age of 9. And STILL voted failed because of Pakistani grooming gangs in England, which rape white underaged girls using drugs.

[IlluminatiExposed0]

Every culture has its own pedophiles.

[007kingifrit]

@IlluminatiExposed0 but islam has more

[Shezadi]

@007kingifrit Please follow me to read my articles.

[FatherJack]

It was never designed to succeed... those REALLY in power... for now anyway , are using this as a Divide & Rule tool , and using the " media " to stir up more hate between all different groups.

[Smoke-n-Growls]

It's hardly an experiment, it's a reality that's been quite successful.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is likely a scared white kid who has barely traveled outside their own city. Or a QAnon troll.

[007kingifrit]

this comment proves it wasn't successful; such hostility and anger at the mere thought of different ideas

cult like, bigoted, unsophisticated

[FakeName123]

I can't think of a single country that has gotten better through multiculturalism. Not one.

Though, what did increase is the lackluster social cohesion, crime-rates and tribalism.

[tartaarsaus]

It depends on where you set the goalposts of what defines success or failure.


Like yes, immigrants from poorer nations (and their descendants) do tend to have higher crime rates. But then at the same time, by far most (and we’re talking 95%+) are not criminals.


It depends on how you define success or failure.

[tartaarsaus]

That said, are completely homogenous countries really realistic in a very globalised world? Probably not given you’ll want to attract capable foreigners.

It has a few basic roots. First, higher income leads to lower fertility. Low fertility puts a lot of pressure on the welfare system and makes it unsustainable. That’s an incentive to expand the labour force, i. e. immigration. Secondly, these individuals may be pretty useful to take advantage of some comparative advantage in the Netherlands. For example, the Netherlands is ridiculously productive in agriculture (second largest producer in absolute terms after the USA), but there do need to be sufficient people to employ there. Those are often Poles, Romanians and alike.

Even Japan, infamous for xenophobia, has seen their government pushing immigration up higher.

With other words, more multicultural societies (though there can be flight to less multicultural parts as well which can lead to some stark differences) are gonna happen irrespective of whether there are some problems with it. That seems to suggest the multitude of advantages that a greater labour market offers (or more specialized) is sufficiently large.

[007kingifrit]

is it a net gain? or a net loss on society? that's the only goalpost

its a net loss

[tartaarsaus]

Whether it’s a net gain or loss depends on what constitutes a benefit or loss of multiculturalism, which is something quite contested and there are quite a few angles one could look at.

So yeah, it depends on the goalposts set.

[tartaarsaus]

I mean, hypothetically ethnic diversity could cause a slowdown of economic growth by 0.05%.

The question then is, do you consider that to be more important than potential advantages of multiculturalism.

In economics, that’d be called “it depends on your social welfare function”. So yeah, it does depend on what one finds important in a given society.

[007kingifrit]

there are no advantages to multiculturalism

[Imuglyandiknowit]

it failed. im one fourth puerto rican and i have tried so hard to downplay it for so long. i lies to people by saying i’m only one percent puerto rican because i wanted to be fully white so badly.

[Jamie05rhs]

Wait- why? What's wrong with being Puerto Rican?

[007kingifrit]

you have blonde hair don't you? you are white

[Imuglyandiknowit]

@007kingifrit it’s not my natural hair color.

[Tea-Spaghetti]

Yeah I'm full not-white and I don't mind at all lol. I've lived around white Americans my whole life. No disrespect to them but I don't see how there is anything special or magical about being one of them lol. Maybe European, Japanese, Gulf Arab Israeli or something would be interesting life but in America I don't see the benefit of being white that much at all lol.

[007kingifrit]

@Tea-Spaghetti you just straight up hate white people though i've seen your other comments

[Tea-Spaghetti]

@007kingifrit I can't hate white people completely because then I shouldn't live in America. I respect them but I don't put them on a sort of god-like pedestal. Obviously white people have created outstanding things though and the world can learn from them but they have their dumb side too. They are still just humans and are not gods.

[Tea-Spaghetti]

Anyways what I mean is I respect "white" people but I don't just blindly worship them if that's what you're expecting out of minorities I think it's kind of ridiculous sorry... Hating white people would not be practical for me and also unhealthy. They're just people like everyone else... But yeah a lot of white cultures are very impressive too so not to deride them either hope I don't come across too acridly on that subject yeah..

[Juxtapose]

The idea itself is flawed. You need to have a cohesive set of principles across a nation or it just won't function.

[goaded]

Don't they all believe in the American Dream, capitalism, and freedom of religion?

[Juxtapose]

The American dream is a joke that will raise a lot of eyebrows.

There's a big section of the left that really despises capitalism and even the more moderate people agree that sensible regulations need to be put in place.

And most people believe in freedom of religion unless you are talking about Muslims or other fanatics.

[Juxtapose]

To quote George Carlin, it's called the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it.

[goaded]

I agree, completely with Carlin, but that's the image immigrants are attracted to, and almost every American has an ancestor who came to America looking for a better life. The Poles and Italians were despised for being Catholic, they lived close together and spoke foreign languages, it didn't turn out too badly, did it?

[Juxtapose]

They were willing to assimilate into American culture.

My biggest concern personally is Islam. That religion is a political system tied into a religion and it's very toxic.

I'm sure there are a lot of Muslims that are fine, but the practice of the Taqiyya makes spotting the genuine ones difficult. And even the moderate ones have really disgusting views about Jewish people.

[Juxtapose]

https://youtu.be/6F4wBeshTsw

[goaded]

"They were willing to assimilate into American culture."
Aren't most Muslims? Remember, freedom of religion is a selling point for the country.

As long as people don't break the secular laws (and they should be the only kind of law), they should be left alone. I'm hoping that someone will soon interpret both Halal and Kosher correctly as "the most humane and clean method of slaughter available". A secular law could make animal cruelty illegal; they'd both still have the option of vegetarianism.

"even the moderate ones have really disgusting views about Jewish people."
Have you met the guy on here who thinks I'm Jewish because I disagree with him? He posted a picture of a child with a machete in it's head.

[goaded]

I started watching your video, but thought: what would happen if I searched for "liars for Jesus?". It turns out that people have been pretending that the USA is a "Christian Nation", despite the very first amendment. Funny, that!

Personally, I'm an Atheist, but I don't mind what people believe, as long as they don't try to take over.

[Juxtapose]

@goaded Islam is unique in that it is a fully packaged political system that is designed to sabotage other societies via generational warfare.

Just look at all the grooming gangs in the U. K and how the media wants to call them Asian and just cover the whole thing up.

[Juxtapose]

The entire point of the religion is to place the entire world under Sharia law and they will definitely guilt trip trip the far left to do so.

They're cunning and strategies are actually remarkably brilliant and I admire their patients but they are very dangerous.

At this point I would not classify Islam as a religion. It's more of an invasive political system.

[Juxtapose]

*typos

[Juxtapose]

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[007kingifrit]

@goaded they stopped speaking different languages, they stopped being multicultural

then they were racially and linguistically unified

[goaded]

@007kingifrit Muslims in the UK speak English, don't they in the US? Of course the Irish and Poles are still multicultural, the religious ones still go to mass, instead of the protestent equivalent. But then we get to the heart of your objection: "then they were racially... unified". How, exactly, do you expect people to change the colour of their skin, and what does that say about what you think of black people?

[007kingifrit]

@goaded yea they also murder people in the streets and run grooming gangs (inevitable whataboutism fallacy from goaded incoming)

islam is uniquely bad, nothing else comes close

[goaded]

@007kingifrit Ah, yes, your "whataboutism" getout clause for when you know there are hundreds of counter examples.

Tell me, what do you think of QAnon, and their lies about the Democratic party? Is it, as it obviously is, a pile of shit? Or do you think the Democrats are all Muslim, now? Or what?

While we're at it, and you're trying to avoid the obvious conclusion from your earlier comment about race, are black Americans "lingustically and racially" integrated?

[Soteris]

Considering the developed countries are multicultural and the undeveloped are ALSO multicultural I can't find enough data on "mono cultural" countries to make a decision.

[007kingifrit]

well sure if your only data method is correlations; but for us real scientists finding data isn't hard

diversity hurts civic trust and unity onlinelibrary.wiley.com/.../...7-9477.2007.00176.x

diversity damages economic growth
www.sciencedirect.com/.../S1053535709000699

diversity causes people to avoid interacting with their community onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/juaf.12015

infact here is an analysis of 87 different studies combined together on the subject of diversity….. not a single one found a positive effect of diversity…quite the opposite www.researchgate.net/.../335924797_Ethnic_Diversity_and_Social_Trust_A_Narrative_and_Meta-Analytical_Review

diversity only occurs in poor regions, specifically because wealthy areas have no need to develop diversity as life only branches out when it is threatened. This is not true just for people but plants and animals also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWVATekt4ZA

and if diversity is good why did Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, and the USSR split up along ethnic lines?

infact every area of the world with many ethnic groups is a hotbed of violence and always has been

[Tamera952]

No, I sure don't think so at all. Whether you like it or not, that's the direction we've been heading toward, and still are.

[crmoore]

Largely succeeded. Everything was fine until very recently when people started complaining about cultural appropriation, as if the most diverse country in the world wouldn't have cultures that mesh or overlap.

[007kingifrit]

you're missing the big picture. diversity makes all conflict worse. the past 75 years have been the most peaceful in all of history so of course it seemed to "work" but that's not really working... its just biding its time until it fails

you can only really test if it works when you are in a time of strife, so it failed, it was always going to fail

[crmoore]

I'm not sure I agree but I guess only time will tell

[John_Doesnt]

How is it an experiment? Humans have been integrating since they first evolved. All species integrate, that's how life on Earth works.
SMH

[Tea-Spaghetti]

Exactly

[Tea-Spaghetti]

I think it depends on where you're talking about. In Queens or LA it seems to work. In somewhere like Detroit maybe not.

[007kingifrit]

queens and la are both poor horrible places

[Tea-Spaghetti]

@007kingifrit I already know your posts you’re an unabashed racist. I’d rather live in LA or Queens than some white majority shithole like Kentucky or Minnesota. Your arguments are shit and so are you white supremacist idiot. Get with the times stupid your people ruin white majority communities are more often than not shitzones just like you.

[007kingifrit]

so infact you were the one who just said a racist thing lol

you're love of la or queens is purely ideological, not based on any fact

[Tea-Spaghetti]

@007kingifrit I know your posts your a racist just giving you your own medicine. La is trash but it’s still better than Utah or Kansas. White only communities are a failure more often than not.

[007kingifrit]

so you justify everything i believe lol

[Tea-Spaghetti]

@007kingifrit you believe in white supremacy I do not. At least not in America by and large white only communities are a misery in my opinion.

[007kingifrit]

your arguments are circular "diversity is good and white only communities are bad because diversity is good"

no justification, no thought

[Tea-Spaghetti]

I never said diversity is good I said it depends. You said it’s always bad I simply disagree with that extreme.

[007kingifrit]

it is always bad once you view the world through the longterm lense of geopolitics

it might seem ok in the short term when times are good and the country is on "easy mode" but when times get tough the society always splits along diversity lines

[Tea-Spaghetti]

@007kingifrit Sure maybe so.

[Anonymous]

Different cultures have been mixing with each other since the dawn of humanity. Otherwise there would be no progress or human civilization

[Snakeyes7]

As a culture it can definitely succeed but it is vulnerable to racists who massively prefer one race over another and have been put in power and upsets the whole system.

[007kingifrit]

if your ideology is vulnerable to human nature... your ideology is guaranteed to fail; 2nd law of thermodynamics

[Agape93]

Depends on the culture and location.

[Warmapplecrumble]

Culture is man made.. I don't do man made stuffs

[007kingifrit]

... you're on a man made website

[Warmapplecrumble]

@007kingifrit yeah but it's not forced upon me or divides me, it brings me closer to people and helps me understand and gain new insights, whereas culture divides

[Konabeana]

What experiment?

[007kingifrit]

the idea of people from different cultures, religions, and ethnicity living together in one country

[OddBeMe]

We’re the greatest power on the planet.

[007kingifrit]

but not because of diversity. because of geography

[OddBeMe]

@007kingifrit it’s helped. But having a melting pot has produced the world’s best colleges, hospitals and innovations. The mobile device you’re on was designed and produced by immigrants.

[007kingifrit]

melting pot has never in any way contributed to any of the things you listed. diversity only makes it worse by preventing us from being our best. eliminating diversity makes us stronger and more innovative

no, the secret to our success is purely geography

[Tea-Spaghetti]

@007kingifrit diversity may or may not help but outright closing out diversity, history has revealed those societies to be regressive totalitarian states that never come out looking good.

[007kingifrit]

@Tea-Spaghetti closing out diversity has no downsides; once again the only criticisms you can list of my ideas are ideological. not practical concerns

[Tea-Spaghetti]

@007kingifrit yes it has clear downsides imagine if a job description didn’t allow women to apply? That would close off an enormous pool of talent for stupid reasons.

[007kingifrit]

@Tea-Spaghetti except that's not what we are talking about here. women are not a diverse category

now if a job place was racially unified and didn't allow diversity... as my studies show that improves productivity

[Tea-Spaghetti]

@007kingifrit your study nearly put a virus in my phone I don’t trust it. As companies expand they have to hire in different countries. If companies only hired certain people they could never expand world wide and their revenue would be curtailed. That’s just stupid from a business point of view

[007kingifrit]

@Tea-Spaghetti excuses not to read science lol

[ColHathi]

What do you mean?