Do you lose respect for people who subscribe to the "Orange man bad" rhetoric?

[Not_Average]

Take a look at what's going on with the election right now.

There's strong evidence supporting the narrative that fraudulent voting practices have been taking place. It's actually right in front of us. There's direct proof. People have been caught and arrested. I'm looking at this issue past Trump as an individual. Even if Trump loses, this really needs to be addressed. Election officials prior to November 3rd have been stating the vulnerabilities of mail-in ballots face. It's not even worth looking into guys?

It's common sense, and I rather look at this from a bipartisan perspective than to subscribe to this "sore loser" rhetoric. It's so petty and juvenile. People don't sound very educated going around saying orange man bad all the time. Use some facts, data, and articulate yourself past these generic talking points faulting personality. All of that derives from emotion based thinking.

If I were running for office, and my team showcased me valid proof that there was cheating going on, then I too would fight against that kind of corruption. I think anyone would. But given that it's Trump, everyone is quick to attack. Let's forget about Trump and his associated personality traits. Let's focus on finding the truth in all this, and make sure that we have integrity within future elections.

The level of ignorance and emotional tantrums I see about orange man bad is just unbelievable. People who seemed to have never read a single book in their life just feel so confident in their beliefs, yet don't understand how the fundamentals of economics and checks and balances work on the most elementary level. It's really disappointed to see how stupid Americans have become to frank about it.

I could go down a list of things I don't like about Trump, and not one of them is emotionally charged. These people just read off scripts of generic talking points that the media spoon feeds them. These people are sheep. They posses an inability to think for themselves. Grow up people.

[BeenThereLovedIt]

Every election has small pockets of issues - you can't have 150 million voters and not see a.0001% problem, which comes up to a few thousand allegations.

The problem with your entire argument is that you keep asserting evidence, but nothing of any substance has shown itself to be evidence whatsoever. You have a pedophile screaming into a microphone (Guiliani) about all this proof, but he can't seem to provide it to anyone. Same with tucker carlson, and many other right-wing mouthpieces.

Your argument for less divisiveness and rhetoric falls short because the psycho-right mouthpieces are still just spewing nonsense and fantastical conspiracies over the airwaves, and the psycho-right is a bubble - it accepts no other sources- factual or otherwise, period.

4 ballots in a creek in buttfuck, MI aren't a vast conspiracy.
10,000 lost trump ballots from MI... could be.. who is the source for that info? Where did they "find" these ballots? How do they know they are all for trump? I can jump in mid-sentence right now and claim a trump-touting convoy of trucks blocked a polling location on election day and the police joined them, causing thousands of democrats to not be able to vote.. But where's my proof? Oh.. well how dare you ask me for proof! What are you trying to cover up, huh? You dare question my concern for the voting process? ... it's classic gaslighting and projecting.. Something Trump does expertly. This is why he needed to go.

[Not_Average]

"You have a pedophile screaming into a microphone (Guiliani) about all this proof, " - That woman was 24 years old. Calling someone a pedophile is a bold claim. It seems as if you're giving into that type of noise as well. I rather avoid that and stay on the topic at hand tbh.

There's an overwhelming amount of evidence to support the narrative in which the republicans are claiming. People have been arrested, including USPS employees. Many people are actively being investigated right now.

You can find these arrests on government websites if you do a quick google search. There's evidence from both sides- and you have a decision on what stance you take, but to suggest that there's no evidence is factually false. While I'm not entirely sure if the entire election was a scam, there was clearly fraudulent activity going on. I'll be waiting for more evidence to come out. A couple of election officials prior to Nov. 3rd warned everyone how susceptible these mail-in votes are to manipulation. At least in the way this was implemented. I listened to the entire interview, and he explained all the ways in which their system for mail-in ballots was vulnerable.

Also, are you going to acknowledge how many dead people have voted? You can't just come in here hot expecting to have a rational discussion calling people pedophiles and not even acknowledge what's happening on the other side. A rational assessment doesn't come from just assuming one side is right.

[Not_Average]

www.scribd.com/.../Stokke-Lawsuit#from_embed

Have you taken a look at this? A lot more of this is going to start coming out in the upcoming weeks.

[BeenThereLovedIt]

"A couple of election officials prior to Nov. 3rd warned everyone how susceptible these mail-in votes are to manipulation. At least in the way this was implemented. I listened to the entire interview, and he explained all the ways in which their system for mail-in ballots was vulnerable. "

I'm just not buying into this, it's not believable in of itself, but even if there is some truth to it (and there's always s. o. m. e... which is what supports these types of claims, the truth when investigated will reveal something far less impactful than what is being asserted. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd rather hear these things from people in official capacities than on G@G. When the justice department announces indictments, then I will listen to the facts presented.

So far I've seen many assertions that dead people are voting. Haven't seen anyone produce a shred of proof. This is the same right-wing propaganda we've seen since 2016. Frankly, I'm programmed to some level to automatically dismiss anything that comes out of republicans or fox news until it's independently verified. Let's face it, the right-wing party and it's Trump news channel have obliterated all of their credibility and it's fantastic that they think anyone should ever again believe anything they say without solid factual corroboration from an independent source.

As far as my comment on guiliani, it's because he believed she was 15.. on "to catch a predator", that 15 year old girl often turns out to be a 25 year old male cop, but that doesn't stop them from arresting right? My point in bringing him up is that he's spewing a lot of conspiracies without evidence and that from my POV, he's simply not credible, he's tried to make claims in the past without evidence, he's a known fake news spreader.

[BeenThereLovedIt]

I've been involved in litigation enough to know that this filing is mostly laughable, many of the assertions use the written laws to back up the assertion, completely ignoring any evidence that the law was broken.

Two of the claims contained "evidence" which in the brief is heresay until they show some proof, but let's look at them. One example of a mail-in ballot already received, without a signature, that was tallied anyways, and then in another assertion, voter suppression by the same person who was refused to be allowed to vote in person because she had already cast that (questionable) mail-in ballot, which she claims she never cast. Then it goes on and on about the DPI of signatures vs. DMV records.. this is all semantics. Even if it's a problem (and it probably is), it might invalidate a couple hundred votes at best - They would do a recount and use people to verify signatures, and I doubt 47,000 ballots are bad signatures. The voters also would have the opportunity to re-cast their votes, right?

So ONE person claims to have been disenfranchised as far as I could tell here. Granted, I skimmed it, mostly because much of the filing was complete bullshit that will be thrown out, it's not worth debating.

The charge about someone dead casting a vote. The assertion is made, but no supporting argument, much less evidence, is presented to support the claim. How about the name of the dead person/people alleged to have voted?

If the democrats really did manage to pull off this incredible election fraud, then explain to me how Lindsay Graham and Mitch McConnell both won? I can't imagine why democrats would rig it all up and then just hamstring themselves in the senate like that.

At this point, this is all fantastical and unbelievable. But frankly, it the democrats did manage to pull off this level of an election heist, then I'm just gonna say that I hope that they put that much effort into pushing the USA to join the rest of the first world in the 21st century.

[Savage_Wisdom]

States with over 100% voter turnout, them finding and Counting over 100,000 votes all for Biden after they've already stopped Counting for the night, Democratic districts refusing to let official Republican poll watchers in to watch the polls, poll officials in Arizona giving Republican voters Sharpies to fill out their ballots, even claims of people finding bags and boxes full of Trump ballots in the trash and mail delivery companies passing out Trump mail-in ballots. I'm not sure how much of this I believe, but there's enough here that I can't trust the results of this election. I don't care if Biden wins, I just want it to be honest. If you can't trust the election process, then what's the point?

[jshm2]

Nope. Any more than mentally challenged and insane people have any legal standing in court.

You only need to look at the insanity of the "orange man" to feel pity for the dimwits that support him and his cult.

It's why no one takes him or his following seriously any more. His goose is cooked and he's been caught out as a liar and fraud.

[cth96190]

Yes.
If they lack the cognitive process to see the Communist/Democrat lies and spin for what it is, I cannot respect them.
Dumb as a box of rocks.

[SuccessfulHornDog]

Yes. The left has made hate and disrespect popular and acceptable. That causes conservatives to respond in kind. That is why we might end up in a civil war and shooting each other with bullets instead of words

[joeldalton]

TDS is a mental illness. They’ve lost touch with reality.

[Twalli]

The thing is that all election officials in the battleground states said there was, and is, no evidence of cheating.

[Anonymous]

I won’t trust the man who stole from a children’s cancer charity event. Orange man is very bad.

[Anonymous]

Trump lost get over it snowflake. Facts don't care bout your feelings.

[Not_Average]

Lmao

[purplepoppy]

There's an old saying "it's better to remain silent and let people think your an idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubt" . Trumps mouths rarely been shut.

[Anonymous]

Thank god for people like you man, seriously, we need some sanity in this world. Fraud could not be more overt its like they wanted to be caught

[OddBeMe]

I am those people