I think women need to decide if they want to be treated like grown adults and equals or if they want men to treat them like babies and kiss their asses. They can't have it both ways. I don't need a list to tell me how to treat other people. This has "feminist Karen" written all over it. Reminds me of that "teach men not to rape women" thing from a few years ago; 2015, if I recall correctly.
And as other men have said, it's asking men to go out of their way to treat women like fucking royalty, despite so many women claiming they want "equality" in society, but then support special treatment crap like this.
Point 1. Are women grown adults or children who need our help and "protection" at all times? Make up your mind. Maybe she's arguing with her husband and it's none of my business.
Point 2. Maybe she's a bitch and a cunt who deserves the negative words being thrown at her.
Point 3. So now we gotta adjust our walking speed for you, too? I try not to freak anyone out at night, but how about, maybe YOU shouldn't be out at night alone if you're that fucking timid to begin with. Common sense and shit; it's not just for Y chromosomes.
Point 4. Many men already do this as common sense, but its nice to see that women have no agency for their own eyes, ears, and attention spans.
Point 5. Half of this is already common sense, but if you're asking men to automatically "listen and believe," you can piss off with that nonsense. Most people tend to give the benefit of the doubt and will believe them at face value anyway, but not if they start to lack credibility.
Point 6. Again, how about you grow the fuck up and be responsible for your own attention span and stop trying to tell men how they need to behave because you're too idiotic to pay attention when walking alone at 3am wearing diamond jewelry in the middle of Detroit. God damn, this chick sounds like a suburban Karen.
I piss on this bullshit-ass list.
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I mean, most of this is pretty standard common sense, especially after dark in urban areas (on busy high streets not so much, since people's personal space essentially "shrinks" the more densely populated the immediate surroundings are). The perception of personal space increases in low-density pedestrian areas and at nighttime. Even other guys I walk past at night on quiet side streets, I tend to give them a wider birth than I would during the day, and try to "announce" my presence if I'm about to overtake them. The first point on this list is really a situational decision that the individual should make, as a man involving himself in an act on harassment could lead to him being assaulted. So he should decide for himself whether or not to assume that risk of harm to himself, since he doesn't owe it to some random woman to potentially lay down his life for the sake of her feeling "safe" in public. But of course some men AND women may choose to accept the risks and insert themselves into a harassment scenario to try and de-escalate, or give the victim an "out". But that's their choice, they're under no obligation to involve themselves. You gotta appreciate the irony that these feminists cry about men "oppressing" them, but when push comes to shove, they expect men to jump in and protect them from other men. They can't have it both ways, you can be an "oppressed victim" or a "strong independent badass", but you can't be both.
Yes that’s a good list.
Being someone that’s even molested and have been in home invasions and having a guy grabs while out at night, I think if a guy sees a woman at night while walking to keep your distance or walk to the other side of the road, say something friendly and just give off a kind vibe.
I once finished work at 1am and walked home and had some guy walking really close to me. I got scared (I’ve walked home before and had a guy grab me) and this guy I think could sense I was a bit scared so he started to walk to the other side of the street and said, “have a good night and stay safe ma’am ” and had a kind smile, I could tell he meant it.
People who say women need to adjust to the world have some truth but people need to also adjust to what’s going on, a massive problem that many women are facing. I’ve had therapy for when I was molested, had home invasions and being assault by men at night but that therapy doesn’t take that memory and the fear away, it only to help us learn how to cope with it and with how things like that make us feel. Even with that sometimes I can’t control my fear and knowing the kind of world we live in where anyone could do anything, it’s hard to just ignore a man walking closely to you at night. I have friends that are like 5’0 and they’re tiny, no way in hell will they be able to guy a guy that’s over 5’8 off of them.
It’s not hard for a man to alter something so small especially when knowing it can effect someone so much.
We need to be more considerate.
It's meh. I suspect most men won't give this any thought. This is the age of independence and empowerment as most western women seem to demand and desire, I guess. 🤷♀️
"Women need men like fish need bicycle." That's the mantra. So I think it's women's responsibility to take care of and protect themselves.
Of course, I personally would like to be treated differently than a man. But then the bicycle thingy isn't my mantra. I acknowledge I need men, and there are enough men in my family to protect me. I don't need to demand anything from "all men".
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Yeah, second to last one, sounds good, the rest of that isn't worth wiping my ass with. Also how can I wear a mask to prevent the spread of Covid and make my face visible at the same time. Oh what a kidder.
So, basically, if you see a woman, indulge her paranoia and promote a victim complex? No, I'm not going to be doing that. Nor am I going to run the risks of jaywalking, especially at night, just to keep someone from becoming uneasy. You know how when people cross the road to avoid having to walk near a black guy, and everyone says "that's racist"? Well, here's a little tip: if you take what you've written, and swap out "men" and "women" for "Jews" and "Aryans", and it sounds like something out of Mein Kampf, you've got a problem with bigotry. I do agree it's important to not dismiss sexual assault as unimportant, but that has precious little to do with gender.
If women are feeling unsafe, I'd suggest having them take some self-defense classes, and learn how (and WHEN) to protect themselves. Or teach them statistical analysis; that guy walking near you at night is a helluva lot more likely to be attacked than you are, lady. Telling a class of people that the world is out to get them, filling their heads with FUD, and then insisting that everyone else treat them like fragile subhumans, it's not going to make the fear go away.I think these would all be nice & considerate things to do. Granted, some are more over the top than others. Because not everybody wants to get into other people's business. That's how you get killed. And many could apply to both genders. If not all of them.
But also, 🤔 if women can't see the threat, what makes them so sure the "threat" can even see if they're a fucking woman! Some of y'all be looking like dudes 💅 ngl
So, I think this should be a safe list for humans in general. Because we're all susceptible to danger.
I digress. But as for the night stuff, I think they shouldn't be out walking if they feel they're that vulnerable. But yk if they have to, then it should be preferred to carry weapons and stay vigilant. Basically, don't expect men to do this. Because the ones that will actually do harm could likely do it when you're least expecting it. So it may not be obvious.
So this method could possibly give a false sense of safety. Letting your guard slightly down. Which is arguably what we don't need when we're in a dangerous spot.- I'm usually on the side of women but...
--- Guys don't dislike this list. They dislike how it is written. ----
- As a man, I don't feel safe walking at night.
- When I'm scared I cross the street for myself. Why can't you?
- I mean if one race of people said that to another it would sound fishy.
- I already feel like I have to be extra polite and do everything right to make white people feel safe as it is. It is tiresome. It's like veganism. I'm vegan but I don't aspect anyone to give a damn about animals when we don't even give a damn about other people because of something silly as skin color.
- If anyone is getting talked about stick up for them Not just women. There is no need to have this on the list because it applies more to everyone and probably equally.
- Or buy a weapon or get someone to drive you.
- It's starting to get to the point where I think women just wanna be above men not equal.
- I mean I just lost a friend that is a girl because I'm too mysterious... Like I'm sick of this crap. I can't even be myself. It isn't my issue. It is an inner issue inside women and some men. I'm a quiet guy. Get over it. Lol seriously though if you're a girl and reading this, this list is not okay as written, and if you don't see that... That is an issue. Guys don't dislike this list. They dislike how it is written.Well, some of these stuff are really rational. Other - i wouldn't say they are not rational, but i see them as relative. And why do i see them that way?
Because, every country is different. Maybe there is a big threat for security of women in America. I don't know, i'm not American. Maybe there really is a big need for that behaviour there.
My country? Well, things are definetly not perfect. But we are around 20th country worldwide when it comes to security of women - in my country, women are pretty safe in public.
They are more in danger in relationship than in public. But we have this weird problem - if you see a couple having a violent argument, and you approach them to help her, you will be attacked by her first in many cases. It's a very well known thing.
But if she is disturbed by stranger, than it is totally fine to do something. And we can do much better in this area than we are doing now, definetly.
Victim blaming, i agree. I see it more as supporting a human who goes through it, not just women.
Distance, yes, but catching a bigger pace or trying to make her see my face in dark - i think here this is not necessity. It can only lead up to unnecessery paranoia, at least from where i'm coming from. I'm not saying that it's a bad suggestion from worldwide perspective, but some of these demands depend on culture of a certain country.I'm a guy. But I'm a little guy. I live in a decent area, but haven't always.
I'm at a bar, I get a new drink if I have to head to the bathroom, or I finish it completely then head to the bathroom. Non alcoholic if I'm driving, and I watch my limits.
When I leave some place at night, I walk fast. I look around. I carry my keys out so they could do some damage. I have a knife on me, just in case. If I'm carrying a backpack, it's locked up and secure, and around me in such a way as to make it harder to rob me. I carry a fake wallet accessible with five dollars and a bunch of fake credit cards. I check my car. I park near lights, if possible. My phone is out, and I'm either talking to a friend, or I look like I'm ready to call someone. I'm considering pepper spray just in case. I check around my car when I park AND when I leave. Someone close probably knows my approximate time of arrival and leaving. I rarely head out after 10:00pm anyway.
Girls in my family have been attacked... My mom's been mugged, but so has my dad (little guy) (luckily very minor and they didn't get anything of any real worth). I had several generations of guys in my lineage randomly attacked several times (big "super manly" men, too - people you'd never think anyone would try to mess with).
I don't go alone with women I don't know (for my protection or peace of mind as much as hers), I try to make sure I can walk a friend to her car, but I usually end up walking with my male friends too, though that's because we usually park near each other.
I think some things in general just are good ideas for ANYONE. If I'm getting out of a car, and someone is getting out the same time, I'll hang back. I won't get too close to a stranger when walking, just because it's weird (man - woman- doesn't matter to me). But some of these are a bit odd, IMHO.These are... how do I put this nicely... well-intentioned but stupid nonetheless.
For instance (from top to bottom)
1) or he can mind his own business and leave the poor woman alone
2) and I'm sure these women stand up for men when their friends speak about men in derogatory ways. Based on this site though, I'm pretty sure that doesn't happen and they just agree with their friends and pile on
3) just because someone crosses the road doesn't mean they aren't actively following you. It just lulls that person into a sense of complacency
4) so, you'd be less freaked out if a guy was walking quickly towards you from behind because he's not walking at the same pace? That's some fucked up logic
5) so the person is advocating that a guy run really quickly towards a woman and make lots of noise? And that's NOT supposed to freak her out?
These just seem like things guys *have* to do because, as guys, we're *all* potential rapists, which is pretty sexist if you ask me. Instead, perhaps women should just be aware of their surroundings and if they're so afraid then either don't go out at night or carry some sort of protection. This is the type of stuff that makes guys so hesitant to even approach a woman for any reason because you have no idea if your mere presence within 10 feet of her is secretly scaring the shit out of her.As for listening to women sharing abuse experiences, being there for them and encouraging them to come forward and report the bastards - I'm all for! That's not "making a woman feel safe", it's "being a worthy human being".
As for the rest of the crap, treating women like pathetic little weaklings, thus actually weakening them instead of empowering them - no fucking way. No, I will not walk a different direction just becuse some women were taught to believe every man is a threat. Of course I'd try and help if I saw a woman getting scared because of me, but all these alleged precautions are just wrong.
Finally, as for "standing up" to women when guys talk about them - no. Plain and simple, no. Not just because nobody gives a damn when women do the same to men, but because sexualizing women verbally or criticizing them for certain things isn't in any way wrong. Yes, a guy is allowed to tell a friend "what I'd do" to a woman who sppends hours and hundreds of dollars making herself appear sexually appealing. It might be pathetically immature, but it isn't hurtfull towards women. And ofc it's ok to criticize women, why the fuck wouldn't it be? Other than sexualizing verbally and criticizing I can't think of an example for this "standing up to your friends" thing.
Don't be a feminazi supporter. Empower women rather than weakening them!I dont blame him, asisn women treat white men like their Dicks are made of solid gold. Ispent a few years working in various countries in South East Asia. I had a great experience with dating some lovely women there, even had my heart broken there. I dont know if I was so successful dating there because I was a white man or because they liked me as I was so naturally charming and handsome.
Everybody assumes thst Asian girls are only ever intrested in white men for money or as prostitutes & there is certainly is that but a lot Asian women just like white men. Young, hot, single, educated women just looking for fun to have a good time. They even approach white men they like the look of, buy him a drink at the bar or ask him to Dance, if she likes you she will take you home for sex. They have no hang ups about cooking for you, cleaning for you or doing your laundry if you spend a lot of time together which absolutely amazed me. Lile I dated in Manhattan and as a 6'3 male women were mad to get with me but still had an attitude, i never had trouble dating in new york, whereas in Asia there was a real appreciation of myself and a sense of gratitude whether it was deserved i dont know. That was my experience of vietnam, the phillipines, thailand, Burma, India, Malaysia and Indonesia. I've never had so many sexual options as I had when I was in Asia, even seriously dated a Thai chick for some time.But "Chivalry" has never left the Realm. None of this would matter, and many would be willing Escorts, to ensure her safe passage home, or to her car.
The "Gentleman's Way" from times before, that some of us never topped following and living, and none would be concerned with this.
Today, though, why can't she carry a weapon, to protect herself, so she doesn't NEED A MAN to "protect" her?
Maybe some just like having a guardian, someone she knows, and trusts, and feels safe with? Doesn't make her any less of a woman, or any less of a person!For me it’s just common. Courtesy,
however a bit of a test for guys with daughters.
would you want this ( at least parts of it) for when your daughter is walking back from her friends house or maybe from school?
or are you quite happy that other guys when she’s at school, goes to college, goes to University, etc, simply has to put up with exactly what other girls put up with.
Those that downvoted, when you go in to living room snd see wife of daughter, think about it.
those that are single guys... maybe this is why you are single!I think as of right now this is a great idea in my opinion I feel like this should not even be invented. If guys will just stop being so creepy around us and stop being so perverted around females we wouldn't have to have a safe list.
We should be comfortable in our own skin we should be safe in our own environment that we are in.
there are some guys in the world that can be perverts and creepy and weird around females, we have to make a list and make gadgets just to keep us safe in the world around us, as we live life.
until some guys around the world act more maturely and act more politely instead of out of lust and sexual desires this would stay.Know nothing about it but I assume it has a lot of silly BS ideas that sound nice until you inspect it further. Or basic shit that pretty much every guy does on some level anyways.
Girls have no idea what the average guy does purely to avoid the appearance of being a threat or creep. Since my teenage years I was consciously doing things to avoid scaring girls as a guy.
Like if I'm walking through school on my way to class. Girl comes around the corner and turns down the direction I'm already heading. I'm now choosing to not make her feel as if I'm following her purely because I walk faster than her and am a physical threat.
Girl still might feel like someone is following her and be paranoid because of her actions and nothing I did.I understand why so many women feel unsafe walking down the streets. The statistics don't lie there is a higher chance for a woman to be attacked by man than for a man to be attacked by another man. Most women aren't physically stronger so they need to carry weapons for protection. If they don't carry them, their only solution is to escape which is obviously hard when the attacker is stronger. The victim is never to be blamed. We shouldn't be teaching women safety tips, we should keep them safe and basically everyone so it's just so sad that even cops can't do their freaking job properly.
Yet another fine example of classic feminist double standards, this is basically asking for specific treatment and claimimg yet another false claim of gendre discrimination.
Is it safe for a woman to be out on her own in a shady area at an odd hour? No. Is it safe for a man to do so? No.
The world is simply not safe it has nothing to do with women they just enjoy (the feminists not all women ofc) playing the victim and making everything about them.
They go through life justifying everything with being a woman.
But tell me this: is anyone perfect? Does anyone never make mistakes?
Feminist are always on about how men are the reason they don't have this or don't have that but I never saw a feminist admit to being human acknowledge that she can mess up that some things are HER fault, but nooo they simply put the blame on men because it makes it easier for them sleep at night without facing the fact that they are losers in lifeCute suggestions. But some of that list shouldn't be enforced dogmatically. That's a recipe for snitches, who will misinterpret the actions of a man minding his own business who doesn't even notice the woman nearby. And won't hesitate to report him. Next he knows, he's being interrogated by an officer who recently returned from maternity leave , about some woman he has no memory of ever seeing on his route. And as usual, the snitch who reported is guaranteed secrecy, so the man is denied his right to face his accuser. On some college campuses , this already happens.
This is silly. It's like putting out a PSA:
STOP COMMITTING CRIMES!
and then saying that all men are out here committing crimes.
No its a tiny fraction of the population.
And I think most men do recognize that there is a tiny fraction of criminals who do bad things to women. And most of us do keep that in mind and we all hope to not make women feel uncomfortable.
I think its BS how the girls are acting like most guys aren't automatically and already like this list made here. Most of us created that list in our own heads and do these things already. But the girls keep blaming all men for. the actions of very few.Nope all of these assume women are innocent. There is plenty of reasons to talk down specific people. And don't interject into context where I don't have all facts. Walking the same speed would be normal if you want to keep a distance since we men are taller and normally walk faster, and men catching up fast from behind freak out more people then if they keep distance. And I will not avoid a woman unless I fear what she will do, its sort of an insult that I can't be trusted. Why would I repeat that bad message. If you let one person in about 100000 or more control your life, you are focusing on the wrong fraction of the world.
I really wish I didn’t read half the comments men have left. Disrespectful af. I honestly can’t believe what I just read. I’m not even going to make a point cause I know a lot will tell me I need to grow up. All we ask for is try to see things from our perspective and be a little more thoughtful of us. Not treat us as toddlers, it’s very different. To all men who want to do better, we see you and we appreciate you. Keep doing you.
To put this into context, this comes after the abduction and murder by a police officer of a girl walking home alone along a well lit street after dark.
It’s a tough one because it’s natural for anyone to feel uneasy whilst walking alone at night., but we can’t go around suspecting everyone around us to be monsters... however, it would be beneficial for us all to put each other’s minds at ease on precarious situations
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