
Does the US school system need to change?


Yes. Both higher education and the lower education. Obv, the US education system is really bad. It's a not so fun common fact.
Lower Education: Young americans come out of highschool and many of them are total imbeciles. Besides the fact that the system fails to teach them to behave like normal people, have manners, respect the laws and what else not, they also have no clue about the world outside the borders. Most young americans that travel abroad will likely be ridiculed at one point for their lack of general knowledge. The education system is very self centered. Almost as if it's expected that Americans will never travel abroad or come in contact with foreigners. Not to even mention that the education is not free for all. In Europe most countries have almost completely free education. The govenrment will pay for all the services. Commute, books, school meal. The students only have to pay for accessories like notebooks, pens and other not at all expensive stuff. When our kids finish highschool, they are well mannered, respectful, well educated. Some countries like Finland, even pay some kind of salary to the parents to ensure their children have everything they need to provide for their children's education. Also the grading system is completely wrong in the US. Making some students feel like they are worth less than others will divide the children and prevent them from working together.
Higher education: Besides the fact that many can't even afford it (while in Europe it's completely free), many that can afford college drop out before getting their degree. Many reasons. Some just realise they are not cut for the path they chose, some can't afford it any further, some are kicked out because they do something the lower education failed to tell them not to do. But what bothers me most is that of those who do get their degrees, not all of them will get their chance at getting a job. And they are judged by the university or college they finished at. Studying at Harvard doesn't automatically make you more knowledgeable than someone who studied at a small, local university. But they are more privileged. The government should instead ensure everyone gets an equal chance, if they are equally well educated. Also, I should mention that both American and european students choose to have a job while attending higher education, but there is one key difference. American students mostly work to pay for their education, while european students work to pay for their daily live expenses.
Many changes are needed and the govenrment seems to be ignorant about this issue. I'd argue they need young americans uneducated so they can keep their policies. The less americans are aware about the outside world, the more they are ignorant to it, thus allowing the government to continue it's very agressive foreign policy, feeding propaganda through the media, while the clueless americans approve of everything their government does.
It's really sad that school hasn't changed in forever. The concept is you go to class, get topic material to study the same way as everyone else, get cookie cutter assignments, tests and exams, does not determine anyones strengths or weaknesses, just determines if they succeed or fail in a certain category.
Everyone has different strengths, weaknesses and desires. Not everyone learns verbally and completely zone out in class when the teacher/prof is speaking. Not everyone learns well by reading and when there's reading sessions, they follow along much slower or lose interest. Not everyone learns by doing things hands on. Some people are less physically coordinated than others so giving them a grade based on their performance or "apparent effort" is unfair. Some people would rather learn on their own than listen to lectures, etc.
"If you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing it is stupid." -Albert Einstein-
Another factor is interest level. If you make everyone learn the same thing, not everyone will be as enthusiastic and that also affects learning.
There should be methods to distinguish what people are interested in, assess their psychology and what ways they learn best and make a program based on those findings. People who say "Well we don't have the resources for that" are delusional. Where there's a will there's a way and it's a simpler concept than people think. First week everyone goes through a thorough assessment and then everyone is put into specialist classes fine tuned for a certain category of learning.
Yes, we depend way to heavily on standardized testing. We do not encourage uniqueness and quality learning because of no child left behind idea. Instead of praising hard work, we encourage kids to take easy courses or dumb down tests. If we really want to compete with other countries, we would update our methods on teaching math, science, and foreign languages.
Dunno what they teach in American schools, but worldwide history certainly isn't one of them that's for damn sure.
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Yes.
But first let me say this, if the parents don't instill a love for education and knowledge for their kids while young then the following mostly won't matter.
#1: First things first. Classrooms in America has too many students in it. A single classroom shouldn't have more than 15 students inside.
#2: Prolong the school year so that teachers can spend more time teaching various subjects and not rush through important subjects.
#3: Raise the salary of teachers who show constantly their students grade and do well.
#4: Invest heavily in early school education. The more kids spend at school especially at a very young stage, it's inevitable they won't reap the rewards of knowledge.
#5: We are living in a new modern era with technology is literally everywhere even in our pockets (smartphones).
Kids now, were born in the digital age, so we have to change and adapt what works and doesn't work for modern-day students to help them stay focused and motivated to help then learn.
Honestly in my opinion its not just the US school system I think there needs to be a change worldwide. I personally believe education and creating a system of positive and negative reinforcement related to all kinds of stereotyping need to be implemented starting from elementary school. I also believe that for gender identity and sexual identity I actually think that should be a part of the health classes people take starting in middle school with positive and negative reinforcement as well. Of course there has been a lot of debate about people such as Treyvon Martin and George Floyd in history classes which I can certainly get behind as well. I also think other minority figures from other countries should be taught such as Che Guevara and court cases affecting other minorities in more depth. I also think schools should have an open mic system for kids that want to share their talents and have private rooms kids can use to practice their talents privately to promote expressing feelings and experiences with music which can lower violence if kids have a productive way to get their anger out in most cases. Also I really think finance and investing should be required classes for high schoolers instead of classes like geometry and other useless classes you never use so that way kids can at least start learning how to invest with different strategies at a young age instead of trying to figure it out in college or after college by themselves (apps like Stock Market Simulator are free to use to practice now too). I also think philosophy should be recommended so kids can start having a more open mind early.
Yes. I have two issues with our school system.
1. They seem to have adopted capitalistic qualities (and not the good ones) where they care more about funding, and how to get it, at the cost of the customer. Too often are we told "here's the answer/fact, memorize it for the next test." Rather than helping us improve rationalization or teach us problem-solving skills. Instead, they just want to artificially bolster the rates at which their students score, so they can go to their funders and say "look at how well we're doing, you definitely want to fund us more/not fund somebody else."
2. As a very recent addition, they're beginning to teach things that very large portions of the population firmly disagrees with. For a while they taught things that most, or nearly everyone, agreed on, like math, science, English, etc. But now, since you are legally obligated to send your kid to school, they can disregard nearly half of the population and teach what they want, as if they have the right to raise your kids in a way you didn't consent to. And it's not as simple as just pulling your kids from school, because parents have jobs and other obligations. They can't just on a whim begin homeschooling their children. We have public schools to serve the public, as a government should, not so that half the population can push their ideology onto heavily impressionable children.
Absolutely, the education system in the entire western world is absolute garbage. Your wasting many years learning things you do not need so that at the end of spending your entire youth being indoctrinated with one single truth and worldview you can do a starter position because you don't know anything relevant to your career.
Its much better to stop after elementary school and then train on demand, based on what you need to know. You'd learn much quicker, more effective and in a way that fits with you. Specializing right away. 18 year olds could be experts in their field, but only if you train them effectively.
@Bee-Hatch Had that debate before with someone, the system as i designed it allows for any educational form to exist within. So in incompatible professions like the medical world you can still go to classical forms of education, but you'd simply apply to them within the newer system. The only things i actively change is more liberty for people who ended elementary school so they can learn in ways that fit what they wish to accomplish, rather than being forced into a set education path that is completely irrelevant to what you want to do, has elements that are to hard holding you back from your skills and ultimately being unfit to train you in what you need to do.
Because that is what happened to me, i was forced to do all the educational stuff because our law in the netherlands mandates you to do it. And company's do not hire without a degree. Anything useful in my field i already learned on my own as a hobby, and almost everything (Except for basic language and math skills) in my education i already dismissed by now or i have forgotten it as it has no relevance in my life. So its effectively my youth spent on something i did not need because i was forced to and told i needed it. While i could have been 10 years further advanced in my career if it had been possible and allowed.
So if you imagine an Ebay for knowledge, combined with a job listing site instead of only having the option of the traditional education paths. Then you will notice that all your doing is allow people to adapt to what works for them, and allow your society to train experts more effectively. Without any compromises, because if the traditional form were to work better like in certain medical courses then people will automatically keep using the traditional methods.
That said, i still think that beyond the basics medical professionals can absolutely train on demand like anyone else. The whole concept is rather than learning everything up front you learn as you go, and in other cases where more skill is required for a position you learn in advance before getting the position as a requirement to be able to get the job. Because in IT people do sometimes need certain qualifications to before they are trusted with complex systems or would be able to handle them. And when that arrises we already get specific training and certificates to handle those systems. Its fantastic working system that is already being used once you finish your education. All i want to do is extend that to a much younger age.
But i assume the people who downvoted this approach are rather stuck in their classrooms learning about subjects they do not need, so that they may eventually finish school at an age they should have been focussing more on their other aspects in life. A problem which i most often see girls struggle with, as they find it hard to combine their studies with dating and then notice there is not much time left to find a suitable partner.
darstically,
it should be illigal for social studdy practiceing, and gender shit,
sex ed, its bull shit lies, i was MGM male gential mutilation, its rape, i was a victum, haveing my forskin riped off, and then learning what i lost, i want to fucking kill my self,
but hey pander to religus nut jobs,
and parants that force childrent to go to church or other shit, thats brain washing at its fucking best,
if i have kid, and the kid was trully cureus about what i was doing. then i would tell them,
if they continue on being curius, i would keep going on, but i would never shove relgus shit or crap that schools do onto aa child,
thinking about it pissis me off
Hell Yea
In my time in the school system it wasn't 'that' bad and it needed reform then. Then I seen the crap my sisters were taught as they were going through the system. Finally, had enough when my daughter was entering High School and I pulled her out of the public school system.
Can't no longer find Music or Art, History keeps getting rewritten, Civics is non existent, no one can divide 2 digit numbers without a calculator, reading / spelling is worse now even though there's more practice (Internet).
Yea, at this point I say gut it and rebuild it
, the system's getting worse and worse
Interesting: I observed a similar deterioration of school 'quality' back in my original country Germany. And where I am now it also does not look bright. I guess, the whole world is in trouble.
Ur 14 so I'll keep this pg. I didn't learn doo doo in school. in my opinion they don't teach you things you actually need irl.
Your 14 so it'd be great if you learn whatever you want to on your own. Don't let your schooling get in the way of your education.
Don't worry about college people can go to college anytime in their life, and most really really successful people never had a degree.
School won't teach you about making money. This you do yourself.
It just needs to be privatized so it's subjected to the same market competition as any other service. That way different schools will adopt millions of different approaches to teaching, every parent can choose whichever one they think is best for their kids, and in time, the approaches that produce the best outcomes will become more popular and be adopted by other schools.
yea first they care more about money than education and just that should be changed
Absolutely. We need to teach peoole about the country they live in, and be very VERY strict against bad teachers, especially those in elementary who insist on belittling children until they feel worthless. I've heard far too many stories. Including my own.
Yes they should take out all these weird she classes like gender studies. And include classes that actually will be useful in the future.
Such as personal finance, real estate, and investing.
I've seen way too many people wrecklessly throw away their paychecks and wonder why they go broke in the future.
There is no "US school system." Schools in the US are run at the local level. And thank god for that! It means that if you screw something up (which happens ALL the time) it doesn't have to impact EVERY single student in the whole country. It also, means that you can observe how all the many different school systems function, which ones do well and which do poorly in all kinds of specific dimensions and you can take the ideas that work and discard the ones that don't.
Yes there is a us education system? What are you talking about, the education system is literal where all the individual local schools get their lesson plans from?
It has a budget of nearly $1.2 trillion in total, and schools in your area are paid for by property tax. Therefore if you live in a shitty neighborhood you get a shitty school and underpaid teachers.
Which results is poorer performance on tests and lower grades.
Wow. So no--the local school systems most certainly do NOT all get their lesson plans from one central source.
Hahaha. A 14 year old knows better than you. Don’t you understand?
@Kingofkings1992 LOL! I know, right?
No actually it is relevant. Being 14 years old disqualifies you from knowing anything. You will understand that later in life.
@Kingofkings1992 lol! Being a clueless teen isn't disqualifying. Being off by well over an order of magnitude as to the size of the Department of Education's budget on the other hand. . .
Yes... Now with indoctrinated curriculum based with (the error of judgment ) (sic) ARTIFICIAL COMMON SENSE , its revolving door to graduate has become the new standard of logic rather than just good ol'e common sense.
Yes the school system needs some changes, however unless parents once again begin to do their part on the home front raising their kids properly nothing will change.
I would like to hope so start educating for cuz they're going to become later on in life I mean in history science they're all important but come on Japan and China and other schools are way more advanced than we are
YES!!! I can write an entire book on it, but I'll just mention that teen suicide rates have multiplied by 3 folds within the last 20 years and depression is on a very sharp rise with teens and young adults.
Since the US keeps falling behind... yes.
Go back to local control in the communitiess instead of the 1970's formation of theFederal "Dept. of Education"
The U. S. has been falling back ever since.
to make it more academic and less culutural education then yes
Math, language, Science, and History basics
Let people learn about more in-depth topics in college or as a further study topic.
Forcing US students into social education classes is not correct use of the school system
Do we need to breathe to live?
America is dead last in K-12 education in the developed world. We are actually on Par with 3rd world countries in terms of quality of education.
Cancel culture has taken a deadly toll on education.
Look up how we compare in international ranks via United Nations stats reported by Americans.
Yes 100% they make us sit through 7-8 hours of class and then when we get home we are expected to do 3-4 hours of homework afterwards.
I think schools need to put more focus on the mental health of students.
Yes. Start with outlawing public sector teachers unions.
Then get the federal federal government out of the education business.
Yes, the USA school system needs to be changed and improved
it's shame that is why youth can't learn cause Teachers of today
not like the old Teachers back in the day from 1960's - 1970's
Your question is valid but you're not stating what it is needs to change. Giving this information would give us a start point
It makes you think for yourself if there's anything wrong. Find your own starting point.
well teachers need to go back to doing what's best for kids, not the unions
Yes. Get rid of all the liberal indoctrination, teach classical thought, reasoning skills, civics, math, English, social studies, constitutional history, and science.
Yes. Parents should be given a certain amount of money per child so they can send their kids to good schools.
I haven't been in the school system for many years, so honestly I have no idea what it's like for kids today. I went to a public school when I was a kid and it was a good education I have no complaints.
The fact that total retards come out of school and have no complaints either is real, and it's a really bad thing. I don't mean to offend you, but the case is, the US education so very self centered, and young Americans are literally clueless about the outside world. And I don't blame them. It's a scheme by the government to make the people less opposing to the foreign policy. They less they know, the more they are convinced the US is always doing the right thing outside the borders.
@SoWhAt249 You seem convinced that it's the education system or the government's fault. How much of that responsibility should fall upon the students themselves or their parents? There are also total retards anywhere in the world. If someone doesn't apply any effort, why is that the government's fault?
Because they do nothing to improve the situation. Ofc, every country will have retards coming out of their education system, but the US is on another level completely. What you said is true also, the students and parents should make efforts to ensure proper education. I can provide first hand informstion of what the educationsystem was like and what it is now in my country. The education system was pretty bad when I went to primary school. You were graded for everything and if you underperformed the teacher did not put any adittional effort to get you on track. As a result, many kids got left behind. The school made you think tyat if you have low grades you are scum. And what do kids with low grades do? Start skipping classes, bully other kids, start getting bad habits. The system did not hurt me, I was a straight A (or 5 rather, because the grade system is 1 to 5 here) student, but the system made bith the good performing and bad performing students victims of sorts. By the time my younger brother was about to start going to school, the education system changed by a decree of the ministry. Grading was abolished. Working in groups was introduced, mixing students with various performance, essentially making them work together to compete with the other groups. Of course, the kids themselves know who knows more or less, but now there isn't a grade from which you can judge other students. It wasn't perfect, and probably still isn't and there's much to improve, BUT it changed one thing. Now nobody is a victim. All students enjoy classes, because being in school is now fun. Teachers can't focus on the several best performing students only now. They have to ensure all get the same amount of knowledge. This has improved the educational image drastically. In the last 10 years the improvements have been getting better exponentially.
As for why am I pointing fingers at the US government, it's an occuring thing amongst Europeans. Our leaders will say good things, praising America, and then American media will broadcast that and you will think that all Europeans love America and that we somehow want to be like you, but that is not the case at all. Europeans want nothing of all that. Everything we do functions way better, and we don't want to introduce backward reforms mirroring the US. This is why all of Europe points fingers at the US.
@SoWhAt249 They don't all point fingers at us, you just speak for yourself. In general, we have a lower cost of living, lower taxes, larger houses with more land at cheaper prices, and lower energy rates compared to western Europe. Life in the U. S depends on personal effort, if people would rather sling dope than work that's their problem. Information technology, trades, truck driving, healthcare, etc are all high paying jobs. My ex wife came here as an immigrant, went to school to become a registered nurse, and now makes 75 dollars an hour right now. So how is it that someone who is not even from here, does better than certain people who's families have been here for generations? Not everyone applies themselves, and our country isn't to blame. The government isn't responsible for people becoming heroin addicts or gang members. Success to a certain degree, is a choice.
Absolutely. It is set up for the industrial age and doesn't allow for freestyle teaching methods or open thinking along with situational problem solving. plus to accel in society people needs to know how to do taxes, and work the stock market.
Sure- mathematical and foreign language knowledge needs to increase greatly
I think we all know it does but we dont know how to implement change. I think we need to localize education and let the states determine the best way to implement education defederalize it.
Yeah they teach a lot of dumb meaningless crap or subjects,. I wish they had classes on improving communication or conversation skills
Yes, because we have been becoming more and more educated about our history. With that change it will help better shape the future.
Yes... it hasn't changed since the 1800s. Structurally it has shown to be less beneficial to it's students then productive. To be in a state full of workers and not thinkers is... amazing.
Of course. We’re so afraid of teachers not doing their jobs we’re confining students to standardized tests that average the lowest common denominator.
Yes, more funding. People are getting dumber.
Also, we need free school lunches.
God damn yes
Time changes, so does school need changes.
What does that have to do with education? News isn't based on education. It's based on profit and political motivations.
@AmericanWolf people believe Abbott's claims about Biden allowing illegals with covid into Texas-"coincidently as he's rolling back restrictions and mask mandates.
People believe whatever agrees with what they already believe. Minds can't be changed in many people no matter what you say or do. It's called cognitive dissonance.
No amount of education will alter a persons DNA or change their genetics. Some people are simply not capable of accepting new information.
@AmericanWolf because they are thought not to-largely by the media and politicians-republican politicians. i'm not a democrat-though, i may agree with them-but i want it known that my opinion has nothing to any any political afflictions-but half of my family are trump supporting republicans... i was at a gathering for a relative's birthday... all i heard was ignorance, hatred and, racism. Abbott knows his base-they've been trained their whole lives to hate people of color-trump thought them to hate dems and that it was better to be ignorant-with people like Carlson pushing it further. education is a very real issue. to prove my point and my position-this is a speech by trump: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QPH0Q7ceR0
That has more to do the Constitution's guarantee that media should be truthful and not take sides. This is called the Fairness Doctrine. It was meant to keep media honest and block propaganda and lies. It was removed by Ronald Reagan in the 80s so his friend Rupert Murdoch could start his company without it being shut down for violations of the Constitution. That company Fox News.
Full disclosure Obama administration officials removed the propaganda restrictions from the Constitution.
Revolution anyone?
@AmericanWolf an intelligent person would've noticed that was an attempt at brain washing. they won't do any critical thinking because they've been encouraged not to-another example is this:https://www. youtube. com/watch? v=Vw5ibPp9c4I another was when trump was confronted about a statement he made about-i believe was the release of a vaccine-he denied it. the point is this: at some point-you have took at something so completely absurd and think: ''hold up... this can't be right''-but, they refuse to do that and will refuse anything that conflicts with whatever garbage they're fed. i can't see any intelligent person believing Abbot-even if i didn't know any of the facts and only heard it mentioned-i'd still understand that's total nonsense.
Nah dude. If u are living in USA please be thankful. U have borned in best country
Almost 50 woman killing by dudes in Turkey, our education system is awful, lot of teenager killing theirself. The saddest 15 years old people from Turkey, that’s what researchs says. Lot of things happening where i live. But USA... everyone dreams living there.
Trust me. I understand the hype with the US cause both my parents are immigrants and busted their ass to get there and to get citizenship.
The reason why I don’t like the US is pretty complex and I couldn’t explain it without going over GAG’s character limit but in short the US government is extremely disgusting and corrupt; they give their citizenships the illusion of freedom when in reality they aren’t free at all.
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Too many trumptards and republicucks, yeah, it does
Yeah, start learning the metric system, and the DD/MM/YYYY format lol
Yes, the "Leftist Dogma" failed in every country so far, why still preach it?
Absolutely our schools are over funded classes are to big and school choice would also help
Yes. They need to put ethics back into the teaching strategies for the value and neither the beliefs are taken SERIOUSLY
They have changed everything about it multiple times the only thing that they haven't tried so far is removing the bad students
it needs to be removed
its fake
the earth is flat with a dome
Christ GOD exist
THERE IS A GIANT SNAKE CIRCLING THE EARTH
its where non believers go when they die
I think college is fine, but the K-12 school's need a change.
yes it does. it's completely useless. they don't teach students how to make and earn money
All it really needs is better funding.
No parenting needs to change
Discipline. In Japan teachers telling kids to sit down and shut up doesn’t happen. That’s a lot of wasted class time that we have that they don’t
Yeah well here we have school shootings due to bullying
yes 100% needs to change
I couldn’t stand school growing up.
Tear it down and start over, it's garbage.
You can't educate Americans.
School choice would be a start.
Yes it does need to change
Yes, throw the communist out of the system.
Yes, it would help if they taught useful things.
In what way? This question is way too vague...
Yeah
yup! it should be changed
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