How do you personally, evaluate the situation in Palestine?

[Marcozo]

The Israeli troops and settlers tried to evacuate the Shiekh-Jarrah district in the occupied eastern Jeursalem.
The Palestinians residents raised against that action. How do you -personally- evaluate this issue?

[TruthBringer]

My thoughts are out there for all the innocent people who are suffering on both sides, especially the children. Both sides are to blame for attacking each other. I still condemn the Israeli side most for deliberately causing even more tension between Palestinians and Israelis. They know very well their actions in Sheikh-Jarrah will spark outrage. Yet, they still proceeded to do it while neglecting international laws.

And I know some will come and blame Hamas, while neglecting the fact that Hamas is a byproduct of the whole conflict and the conflict has been going on for more than 50 years prior to Hamas even existing. And no, I'm not condoning Hamas' actions.

Also, looking at it from a statistical point of view, we see many more casualties on the
Palestinian side than on the Israeli side. Israel has one of the most sophisticated armies in the world, and yet they use their power against innocent civilians living under oppression within borders that has no legitimate army. And thus cannot properly defend themselves. Not only that, an entity that has been violating international laws and committing war crimes as easily as breathing oxygen (white phosphorus much?).

So with that said, as much as I like to remain neutral, I cannot. And therefore I stand with the people of Palestine and admire their courage in stance against an opponent that has much more power and influence. Because this courage alone is what has allowed them to still exist and not be wiped out long ago. Much love to the Palestinians from the Netherlands 🇳🇱❤️🇵🇸

[God_of_Thunder]

Personally, it seems to me that Israel has been provoking the conflict, by acting like bullies and assholes.

Now that Hamas has responded, people are saying "Oh, it's just another belligerent Palestinian attack; those terrible people." I feel like the Palestinians do have a legitimate grievance, over the way Israel has been treating them, but Hamas's response was over the top. If it weren't for Israel's defense system, there would be many more Israeli casualties.

Of course, Israel is using the Palestinian response to their own actions as an excuse to do even more damage to Gaza & Hamas. In a way, it almost feels like Israel planned this, from the start, so they would have an excuse to wipe out Hamas, and annex more territory. They knew Hamas would react to the Israeli treatment of Palestinian citizens, so they knew they would have an excuse to respond in force.

Personally, I can't sympathize with either side. Israel was/is initially in the wrong, but Hamas would be just as culpable for civilian deaths, if not more so, if the Israeli defensive system wasn't intercepting so many of their rockets.

[Marcozo]

Alright,
I just would like to point out to the issue of Hamas, Hamas has been founded in the early 90s. before the time of Hamas Do the Israeli troops were gentle to the Palestinians?
Before the time of Hamas, Does the Israeli regime followed the international treaties (Such as Oslo) and stop seizing Palestinian Territories to build settlements?
The History's timeline reveals the answer with NO.
Hamas is reaction towards the Israeli tyranny. Even though I have much comments and opponent to the Hamas policy in Gaza strip, but in such reaction in my opinion is justified. Because the Israeli army has the most sophisticated Offensive weapons systems in the region which are usually addressed to civilians at Gaza. Those massive military technology have been using against civilians even before Hamas.
For example, the Sabra and Shatilla massacre 1982 and so on.

[God_of_Thunder]

Oh, I realize that; it's not spefically because of/limited to Hamas. I only mentioned them, due to the fact that they are one of the key players in this conflict.

[Marcozo]

Sure, they are players but they play the reaction role.
Let's take an imaginary scenario. If the British colony did not grant the land of Palestine to some Jews groups in 1948. Would Hamas be existing?
The answer is No.
If there was an Israel Palatine would be something like Eypt, Morocco, Sudan, just a stereotypical country.
So that Hamas as an entity is just a reaction for the Israeli existence over an occupied land.

[jennifer_bloom]

My parents think Netanyahu is killing innocent people to increase the likelihood he will win the election by making his country more dependent on him.

[Marcozo]

On the political level this explanation is still possible. But from the human rights perspective it's an Israeli regeam approach with no matter who on the top of the Hierarchy

[Princess_Serene]

I sympathize with them. My thoughts and prayers to people of Palestine ❤️

[ThisDudeHere]

Not my issue. Let them fight it out. The victor writes history, after all.

[JackSmy]

I can't know all of the details, not being there, but I know that the Muslems HATE the Jews, and there have been many times, that they have said they will "Push them into the sea", or something like that!
To me, it is FUCKING DIRT, and why do so many die, for this DIRT? SO what, that some "Prophet" or maybe "Jesus" walked there!! Would they want people to fight, and die, for that DIRT?
From what I see, the Hamas, shoot rockets into Israeli space, and then they wonder why Israel comes back with bombs, and maybe, now, more?
If someone says they hate me, and want me to die, and shoot rockets, at me, and try to kill me, yeah, I am going to KILL them, to protect myself!!

[SpiderManFan2002]

Firstly it’s Muslims** if you’re going to hate on us at least learn how to spell it right😂

Secondly as a Muslim myself, I will say- that the majority Muslims do not hate the Jews, we just dislike and oppose the oppression of the Palestinian people. There’s a huge difference.

Tell me where Muslims have said that and even if they have, I’d bet my life (if betting was halal lol) on it wasn’t the majority of us, but a small minority. Doesn’t make it right if it was said, but pushing that onto 1.8 billion people around the world, is pretty nonsensical.

[SpiderManFan2002]

And you talk about Hamas but I see no mention of the Israeli government killing innocent Palestinians unless you really believe children are terrorists.

[JackSmy]

@SpiderManFan2002 Sorry that I just really don't care enough to get wrapped up in this Civil War shit! The Arabs and Jews have been fighting over some DIRT, that supposedly some "Sacred Person" once walked, and they use their "RIGHT" to that DIRT, to kill kids, and HATE!!
FUCK THE LOT OF YOU!
What is so FCKING AMAZING ABOUT THIS DIRT?
OMG, if I believed in one, a RATIONAL person would say, "Let's find a place to live in peace," and then go there! Not killing or fighting, or anything bad!!
WHY IS THAT FCKING DIRT SO SPECIAL?

[Marcozo]

It's not a religious conflict,
It's an occupied land by Israel.
Israel has been founded in 14 May 1948. At that date they invaded the Palestinian authority with a permission from the British colony.

[JackSmy]

@SpiderManFan2002 by the way, trying to remember to SPELL it right, as the subject isn't the point, but the FCKING spelling is, right?

[SpiderManFan2002]

@JackSmy I love how you accuse us Muslims of hating Jews, then you admit yourself that you hate Arabs and Jews and I guess you hate Muslims too lol.

And fyi, I’m Muslim but not Arab sooooo😂

Jews aren’t to blame for innocent people dying, the Israeli government is don’t put the actions of the government onto 14.5 million people please. I love my Muslim people, my Jewish people, my Christian people and everybody else- so don’t get it twisted.

The land is special to Muslims, Jews and Christians because on the land is a lot of significant holy sites- I agree we shouldn’t be fighting over them and killing innocents, and I wish it wasn’t this way as do many of us- but unfortunately we don’t control what goes on over there.

I suggest rather than hating on all of us, actually educate yourself about this situation.

[JackSmy]

@SpiderManFan2002 NO, NO!! DON'T YOU DARE PUT THOSE WORDS IN MY MOUTH!! I NEVER SAID I HATE MUSLIMS, Jews or Arabs, BUT FUCK YOU for saying that I did, and trying to make me look like some "bad guy" or "Racist" or something else!!
SHAME ON YOU!! THAT IS YOUR INTERPRETATION, NOT MY WORDS!!!
I'm done with you, and your MANIPULATIVE SHIT!! You are a LIAR, and I have no time to waste on a lying fool like you!!!
How can you be so lacking in ITEGRITY, posting LIES, and things I NEVER SAID? How do you live with yourself, posting such lies?

[Lone_wolf122]

Well both Muslims and jews are TERRIBLE... jews believe if you're not Jewish you're worthless and we can do whatever we want with you stupid goyim even killing your children you animals... And Muslims who the western world is welcoming to their land.. they can't wait to unite and invade all the non Muslim countries and take their women as their sex slaves and make you pay them for protection and it's all in the name of Allah and Muhammed who they still insist they're treating him like a human and not like Arab Jesus... My only condolences and sympathy is for people like myself who grew up to find themselves in that shithole called middle east surrounded by the two most sociopathic backwards humanity groups on earth

[Marcozo]

I do understand your point of view. But let me explain something,
- The conflict is political in the first stage then it has been interpreted to religious from some sides. But not all Muslims neither Jews are approaching the same narrative of yours.
- the conflict is bounded by the mass of power. An occupied land by a massive military power against locals who do not obtain any remarkable power comparing to the occupational side. Meanwhile the world does not care about their agony. That led to Sharp polarization. That polarization casued a speech such as yours.
- When we are talking about rights, it's not a field for reflecting the religious issues. In rights there's oppressors and victims.
The history of establishing the state of Israel reveals who is oppressors and victims. Before 14 March 1948, there was nothing called Israel. It was the state of Palestin under the British colony. Then Aftermath the WW2 the Jew had a permission from the British government to establish the their proclaimed state using a claims from their Holly Book "the old testament" and the rest is known. My intake here is "Is it acceptable to anyone in our now world to establish a proclaimed state based on a text somewhere in a Holly Book?"
The terroristic militias of IsIs tried it and the whole world refuses them and struggle against them.
What is the difference between that Isis and the proclaimed state of Israel?

[Lone_wolf122]

Well, it's obvious that there was NO country called Israel.. It's Palestinian land.. there's no confusion... And yeah they're exactly like isis.. Jews and Muslims are twins.. They think they're superior and everyone else is degenerate and should be their slaves.. Both religions have the same desert tribe mentality and rules... They even came up in the same place

[Marcozo]

As an advice take it or leave it.
Do not generalize a fiction to all.
That would not help to deal with the world's issues. Believe that in every belief there are bad and good people.
If you really generalized, your contact to the real world would be very slim.

[Lone_wolf122]

I don't generalize... I live among those people

[Lone_wolf122]

Unless you mean i should know every single one of the population

[Lone_wolf122]

And if good person comes out of these sides that means they're not really following those religions

[Marcozo]

I am from the middle East too, so I find myself entitled to speak it out.
No you should not know every individual person, but to have a deeper estimation to the nature of communities that follow a certain belief.
For example,
In jwes, there are leftists who are standing against the fascistic side of the Jews belief. In Islam there are many groups (such as Sufies) are denying and standing against the proclaimed violence inside the Islamic heritage.

[NikolaiIvanov]

I personally stand in solidarity with Israel but don't want Palestinians to become refugees and cause havoc here in Europe as the Syrians, Afghans and Somalians are doing here. Israel never initiated a war or conflict but retaliated 10 times harder and since Palestine broke the regulations of the UN MANDATE by attacking Israel so I believe that argument stands null and void and Israel can and should annexx every single piece of land they can from the terrorists. I feel disgusted when people support hamas a terrorist group against a nation defending their people from terrorists. If Israel is attacked they have the full right to invade Territories of Palestine, a state which I don't recognize.

[ItsTheNephilim]

Israel is not the victim here.

[TruthBringer]

Very well said!

[Kelly6]

Very well explained

[ItsTheNephilim]

@Kelly6 @TruthBringer ayee thanks! :)

[ChrisMaster69]

It’s the usual bollox that has been going on for years.

as soon as people start putting threads up about Yemen, I might give a horses arse about this part of the Middle East.

it’s purely politics by various countries working via proxy and all the social media posts fall right in to it.

if people where actually concerned they would be denouncing both Iran and Saudi Arabia...

Yeah bit quiet on that one,

[Marcozo]

In my question, I have asked to know the opinions of the members about a certain issue which is the eviction of Palestinians from Al Shiekh-Jarrah district in the eastern Jeursalem by the Israeli troops and the Israeli settlers. The eviction caused a reaction from the Palestinians to defend their houses. I hope to hear the opinions on that issue, not about a proclaimed fluid stories about the middle East

[ChrisMaster69]

So basically you are not interested in Yemen?

What is point of even mentioning Israel positive or negative without even understanding the bigger political picture.

[Marcozo]

I am totally interested in Yemen and against the genocide there done by Saudi Arabia (Which is supported by Western weapons ).
But the question about Shiekh-Jarrah district is the topic of my question. You would like to participate in this topic you are welcome. If not you may create your own talk about Your proclaimed big picture with all due respect

[ChrisMaster69]

Okay my view on current situation on Israel
... Iran and Shia opening a new front.

iranintl.com/.../fierce-israeli-and-palestinian-attacks-continue-russia-calls-mediation

There were extra shipments made prior to the current conflict starting.

The Israelis are not handling this well, however there should also be further reporting that the logistics for rockets and spares, including drones have been increased by Iran to Hamas etc.

[Marcozo]

Do you have any thing to say about the topic of the question? I mean Shiekh-Jarrah district?
Concerning the reaction of hamas, it could be a reaction towards the violence of the Israeli troops in Shiekh-Jarrah district

[ChrisMaster69]

Your question:
How do you personally, evaluate the situation in Palestine?

I am evaluating your question.

You cannot look at the Middle East without taking in to account Iran and it’s backing of Hamas and Hezbollah.

Yes heavy handed Israel but also a lot of rocket attacks by Iranian backed groups.

Should they have not cleared it yeah likely not a good move.

Firing rockets in response, typical terrorist response.

[Marcozo]

So if the Israeli troops is violating Palestinians in a district in the occupied territories (according to the UN resolution 242, and Oslo treaty), and Hamas is responding to the Israeli violence is it a terroristic action?

[ChrisMaster69]

Yes because if it was a proper country it would be a declaration of war.

So all follow up air attacks are justified

[Marcozo]

Who denied the right to be a independent state?
It was the Israeli regime despite of Oslo and UN security council resolutions.
So, from the very beginning the Israeli regime is violating.

[Anonymous]

The area the Palestinians occupy actually belongs to Israel. The Palestinians are like guests who got drunk in the house and wore out their welcome. Standing against Israel is foolish. Their military has not been defeated in a war since the early 1900s. The ONLY defeats Israel has suffered have been due to God's retribution for their disobedience to his word.

[Marcozo]

On which base did you claim that the Palestinians have stolen the land?
The Israeli country had been proclaimed in 14 May 1948. Before that date, the entire land was a Palestinian Territory, there was nothing called Israel at all.
If you are talking about the very far history of the old testament, so it's a religious claim. Would you agree to let all the religions make claims according to their Holly Books?

[Cathy7734]

I've been watching Ben Shapiro's video about the conflict. I would attach it but I'm not at that level yet. Would someone be as kind as to attach it? The name of the video is:

Why Rockets Are Raining Down On Innocent Israelis

[Princess_Serene]

Why were Israelis storming into the mosques, shooting and bombing the people who were praying peacefully since mid April?

[Marcozo]

Do you have any opinion on the situation of evacuation of Al Shiekh-Jarrah district in eastern Jeursalem?
Could the Palestinian rockets could be a Reaction towards the enforced evacuation of the Palestinian residents in the eastern Jeursalem?

[TruthBringer]

Why is Israel evicting Palestinians from east Jerusalem when they have been living there for many many years while neglecting international laws?

[alvincasey]

I think it is such an uneven fight that I can't support Israeli behavior. Their treatment of the Palestinians is oppression

[tartaarsaus]

Sucks. Hopefully Israeli Supreme Court throws away the evictions.


Other than that, Hamas doesn’t really give a fuck about that and it in no shape or form justifies anything coming from Gaza strip

[Agape93]

I don’t. This isn’t the first time of elevated aggression and it won’t be the last.

[Marcozo]

Do you think is there any solution? (From your point of view)

[Agape93]

Destroy them all. Turn the whole region to glass

[ChrisMaster69]

@Agape93 I would extend that to the entire Middle East

[Marcozo]

I think the claims of destroying is not applicable ones, The Nazies tried it on the previous ww2 and didn't work, why would it work now? It only brings more hates and ruins the entire world.
I asked to know if there's any applicable solutions

[Marcozo]

@Chrismaster69 didn't you recognise how Nazi your answer is?

[Agape93]

Nazis didn’t have nukes. So I still say if you want to solve the violence there immediately, turn the whole damn region to glass.

I’m good with that. Maybe we will be settled down over there for once. There’s so much blood in that sand.

[Marcozo]

Thanks God , that persons of your example don't have any power other than dreaming behind their keyboards

[Agape93]

Precisely why I’m not fit to rule a country, because I probably would.

[888theGreat]

Israel's country and Palestinians are trespassing. They need to go. Like the illegal Mexicans here need to go.

[Marcozo]

Where they have to go?
Make sure that you are talking about a Nation not a group of tourists.

[Philyouup]

you can only repress a people for so long before they turn in to a revenge seeking clan.

[Marcozo]

I don't understand your situation, could you please explain more?

[hellacray]

I'm not even sure what caused the attacks over there so no idea.

[anylolone]

Israel is doing a great job on it's own and doesn't need any help.

[Marcozo]

Here we are not discussing helps nor aids. We are talking about a particular scope.
Why does Israeli regime violated the Shiekh-Jarrah district in the occupied territories of the Palestinians?
What are the consequences of escalation?

[anylolone]

Rent. It was property of other people, rent wasn't being paid. Vaccines were more than available.

[drexel420]

That shit would have been dealt with if it wasn't for a fucking potato

[Marcozo]

Don't understand, could you explain more please?

[drexel420]

There was a peace treaty a few months ago and now the potato is just letting it happen if this was in December it would be over

[Marcozo]

Which peace treaty that been held few months ago?
The last treaty the Palestinian side assigned was Oslo 1993

[drexel420]

Right okay then no peace treaty with Hamas and Palestine.

[Marcozo]

Hamas never assigned any peace treaty. The one who did was the Palestinian authority in 1993, since then there's no treaties.
So which one you mean when you said "few months ago there was a peace treaty"?

[drexel420]

Okay so Nobel nominations for nothing okay

[Anonymous]

i fully support israel and anyone that doesn't is a racist anti semite and probably sucks blm ass

[Marcozo]

May I understand, on what base did you build your opinion?
Because your opinion just present judgment without explanation of your approach.

[Opinion Owner]

Israel has been asked to defend themselves with two hands held behind their back for the last 40 years. The palestinians are not inniocents that are the victims of israel. They constanly work against israel and israelis.

[Marcozo]

Your answer has no solid fact. Explain with facts. And please focus on the current situation of evacuation of the Shiekh-Jarrah district in the eastern Jeursalem "As the UN resolution 242 stated".

[Opinion Owner]

no, i won't because you won't accept anything that you disagree with. delete my question and block me if you want but I will not change my mind. the palestinians attacxk the jews and when the jews fight back you get upset.

[Marcozo]

I don't delete anyone as long as you talk with no offense.
I just asked, do you have any statistics numbers of the Palestinian attacks on the Israelis?

[Opinion Owner]

no but that doesn't mean that it is not happening. I know that israels enemies use the palestinians as human shields but the palestinians allow it because they also hate the jews

[Marcozo]

So you don't have any source of your information?
How did you obtain the information that you build your believe on?

[TruthBringer]

I can tell this is a troll post because the whole notion of being against Israeli warcrimes meaning you must be "anti semitic" alone has already been debunked numerous times

[JamieLoves]

Eliminate all of the Palie Scum..

[Marcozo]

Didn't you think that your answer is totally unacceptable?
It's kind of Nazi's attachment

[JamieLoves]

@Marcozo
They’re the ones murdering Israeli citizens. It has to stop

[Marcozo]

Man, if you gonna show your argument supported by facts, you are welcome. But to have a Nazi claim and just say fluid statements so please stop your shit away from this discussion.

[Anonymous]

Maybe they couldn't pay their taxes or something.

[Opinion Owner]

People get evicted from homes all the time if they can't afford it.

[Marcozo]

Man, are you kidding me?
Since 1948 the Israeli troops are evicting Palestinians from districts because they could not pay rents?
They evict them to demolish their district and build settlements.
Please have a short look even on Google under the topic "The Israeli settlements in Eastern Bank"

[Opinion Owner]

yeah I don't know what's going on over there.
it would probably be better if they just accepted each other as neighbors instead of battling it out.
Israel from what I gather is a mini super power so I doubt they will just dismantle their settlements and go home. You have a more powerful force taking over a smaller one. I see no good solution

[Opinion Owner]

whoever has the international communities support will probably win

[Opinion Owner]

also its not like Israeli's are some kind of unwelcomed invaders. You can trace Israeli Jewish influence in that region back to biblical times. I think its time everyone just gets along in that region. I kind of like the idea of a Jewish State b/c there is no other place on earth for them. Lots of Muslim countries exist. It is however disappointing that jewish people who have been harshly persecuted for such a long time seem to be persecuting others under their power

[Marcozo]

Man, is it rational to say that they invaded others' land because they have no other place to go?
Take a moment and think about it. It's really insane.
So okay tomorrow, some people with a different Holly Book will come and invade your city and claim that their God gave them this land. Would it be fair?

[Opinion Owner]

Okay well what is your solution that you think can realistically happen?

the Jews represent half the population in that area and they are one of the strongest military powers in the entire Middle East with nuclear weapons. I don't think fighting them is a great idea for anyone. I can't imagine a situation where the USA would take sides against them in any War.

[Marcozo]

The at least solution is (in my opinion):
- Stop killing Palestinians and stop the attacks on Gaza.
- Stop the Apartheid practice against the Palestinians.
- Setting the detained Palestinians who have been detained in the demonstrations.
- Committing to the UN security council resolution number 242, which gives the Palestinians the right of independence of the eastern bank and the Gaza strip.
- Committing to The resolutions of Oslo treaty.
- Finally, reactivate the negotiations with a fair will.

[Opinion Owner]

All that sounds very reasonable.