"For example, I find it quite creepy when guys put their hand on my back if we’re walking somewhere. Keep your hands to yourself, thank you."Isn't this completely situational and unrelated to "sexism"? Don't you find it "creepy" because you're not in a relationship with said guy, and you don't want him touching you anywhere, or anyway, yet? Seems to me that the creepiness comes from inappropriate behavior, which is much larger than just "sexism". Other than that, I agree with your post. I don't think "benevolent sexism" is a thing either. I believe it's about appropriate sincerity. When that's present, and desired, a woman doesn't view it as sexist. And if she LIKES it, well then, it's benevolent !!
I brought that up because there are lots of guys who do that to all women. And they consider it chivalrous. The person who posted the question mentioned chivalry. The people doing this also probably think it’s nice, or that we like it. Meaning that they think it’s benevolent.
Thank you by the way though! I wasn’t sure if people would get what I was saying, about “benevolent sexism” not really being a thing.
So women can't protect themselves while walking home? This is what people mean ny benevolent sexism, some men do these things (like walking a girl home) out of kindness and desire to spend time with the other person, but most do it because you are assumed to be incapable of protecting yourself... which is sexism because it assumes women are inferior to men.Men are actually more likely to be assaulted on the steet, when women get attacked, statisically speaking, it's normally someone whe knows. I'm not saying that makes it better but statistically speaking, I'm more likely to be attacked on the street than you are. I can quote data and link you to studies on this if you'd like.I can agree with the pregnancy thing, but that's because it's a health risk/concern, not because she's a woman. Sit on the floor? Pulic busses and trains normally have standing spots, don't they? (I'm from rural areas and I've never been on a train).If you have no problem with forcing men into doing physical activities for you then do you have a problem with being nurturing and sensitive for your man since women are better at that?
It's pretty rare for someone to offer a hand with something physical unless the guy is really struggling. Sure, family will help you move, but if you expect someone to help you carry in the groceries then you're being ridiculous. You get told to man up. Your guy friends probably offer to help because they want a date with you. I don't know guys who go around helping other men without expecting something in return, that only happens with women and only because the guys are hoping for something instead of directly expecting it. But then I guess it would be a good idea to figure out what you define as "help", like if you were measuring something and needed a hand for a second most guys wouldn't care, but if you're asking them to help you fix something and it's going to take a half hour or so then most of my friends would expect to be taken out for lunch as repayment unless you were in really hard times or you guys have a habit of doing favors for each other. What is an example of favors you might ask for from a male friend?What if the man puts a hand on your back in order to protect you from some guy who was eyeing you up from across the street? Why is it creepy? You mention that men should walk women home and protect them but also tell us not to put our arm around her protectively? Do we make her feel protected and scare away potential predators or not?
It's like women both want traditionalism and dont want traditionalism, and you really need to make up your minds. You can't want a man who treats you traditionally and with chivalry, but also expect him to not be protective, also, in my opinion, if you expect traditionalism then you should be traditional (in this case a stay at home wife). Imagine the crazy ass guys who want a traditional house wife but they dont want to do their traditional task of protecting and providing? Traditional roles were only acceptable because they applied to both genders, if you expect your man to be traditional while you abandon tradition, then you're being selfish and spoiled, that goes for the genders reversed too.
So next time you're in trouble I should ignore it because I have a penis?
I hope you'll never need any police, since most of them are men. Or any firefighter.
@IveGotNoName what if there is an emergency?
Aleight we'll leave you to fend for yourself then
@Nachowedgie I think she was just saying she isn’t weak. Everyone needs help with something sometimes
Doesn't look like that's what she was saying at all
Hmm... I reckon @Nachowedgie is right here.
Then you have terrible comprehension skills. I read what she said and understood her just fine. She’s saying that women don’t need to be protected 24/7 and that we can defend ourselves sometimes. That doesn’t mean when you see her in danger, you don’t try to help. It’s the same reversed.
"Women don't need men to save them or take care of them, so yes, that behavior should be discouraged"Are you looking at a different comment then because this is literally what she said
@Nachowedgie once more I’ll say it again, your comprehension skills are lacking.
And once more I'll quote what she said "Women don't need men to save them or take care of them, so yes, that behavior should be discouraged"
Everyone should save and take care of everyone else, it's literally that simple and fair
@Syrian_survivor ikr but I don’t think they understand that.
@Virgo31 they understood/misunderstood what she said as an extreme end so they're responding with their own opposite extreme end which is stupid and unproductive, just an energy-consuming hate train.I wish more people would think differently and not waste their time and energy with bullshit like this.
The whole idea of benevolent sexism or that the instinct to protect and care for women is sexist is ridiculous.
But when I’m assaulted by the man a woman isn’t going to come save me... so why should I save her. No extremes we’ll just ask easy equality.
@jerdanro that’s not the sexist part! It’s the idea that women cannot fend for themselves that is sexist!
@VanillaSalt how do you know? I mean you never know and women certainly won’t save you if you don’t even believe they are capable of saving you.
You women start most of the shit... ok let’s make this super simple. If a woman punches a man as hard as she can in the face. Should a man be able to return her punch to the face as hard as he can?The chances a man will be strong enough to help compared to a woman’s different. Women are the weaker sex period this is proven by every trans medal in women’s sports...
Okay... wtf happened here xD... I was saying that no, men are not supposed to think women are some weak helpless beings unable to protect themselves. I was not saying that we shouldn't all act like normal human beings and help fellow people if we can
I understand that, but why should the behavior be discouraged? Why is it even sexism? Opening a door is polite. Feeling a protective instinct toward women and children is an instinct, and one that aids in our survival as a species. It's the men who don't do these things that are more likely to be dismissive or abusive toward women.
@jerdanro Not treating women like children does not mean abusing them.. If men can't be in between that's worrying
Who said anything about treating them like children?
@jerdanro Feeling you have to protect someone or take care of someone just because of their gender (and assuming you're basically strangers) is like treating someone like a child...
No it's not, it's the very reason we still exist on this planet today you imbecile
I disagree. I'm not talking about taking care of a stranger. I'm talking about what the original post says. I'd never pat you on the head and say "there there", but if you were attacked I would protect you to the best of my ability.
@Nachowedgie How very polite, thank you for your amazing input
It's not nice to call someone an imbecile, just because they disagree.
@jerdanro We should all feel protective of our fellow people, regardless of gender. What I'm saying is that we shouldn't actively have the impression that women NEED to be protected by men
No problem, gotta dumb it down for people like you
@Nachowedgie Nice talking to you, now kindly leave this conversation
Or else what? You gonna block me? Aww how strong and independent of you, grow up kid
@Nachowedgie Nah, I don't block people, I just would rather have constructive argument over... you know... name calling and blatant rudeness... Yes... very mature
I see that, but the fact is in some situations women do need protecting. Unless we can all be armed. A concealed handgun would even the playing field.
Agreed, but coming from a place where the streets are fairly safe for women to walk on even at night, you have to understand, that I don't see it exactly the same way. But I do completely agree when it comes to places that are not safe
Agreed. And I'm happy you live in a safe place. My opinion comes from my experience as well. I would never assume a woman is incapable, just more at risk in some instances.
Thank you, and sorry if I came of rude at some points, I did not mean to
Nor did I. I have two daughters and I am very passionate about protecting them.
@jerdanro @IveGotNoName @Nachowedgie @VanillaSalt @Virgo31 + 3 others, I would just like to let you know that in my 2 year on G@G, this is the first time that an opinion has had more replies than all the guys who have given their opinion at this point in time 😄 Thank you to Madamoiselle NoName for sparking it 👏🏽
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Damn, I voted for alternative A by mistake. Strike it off and add it to B. Thanks.
Chivalry must never die? Why? Why do you enforce traditionalism upon men? Are you a traditional woman or a hypocrite?
@devilman666 Did you even read what I wrote here, or did you just skip to the bottom where I say that chivalry must never die? Do you have something against behaving decently and respecting others? This isn't about being 'traditional', but doing that which is right, about having basic manners.
Yeah, I did read it, but I'm still confused. I live in Canada so small politeness is just part of society, it isn't viewed as chivalrous here, as chivalry is associated with "white knights", it goes back to medieval european tales of saving the damsel in distress. So holding the door for people is just politeness, holding the door for a woman because she would be in distress having to open that heavy door on her own then it's chivalry. In my view chivalry is necessarily sexist because it assumes women need men to do these things for them or else they would be in distress.Would you consider it chivalry for a man you're dating to walk you home or to pay for the date? why or why not?
Actually, chivalry was originally medieval battlefield etiquette.Modern chivalry is about being nice to women
To many people are narcisists and have no empathy for others. Sadly your comment is lost on them because they only care about their own world and instant gratification.
Chivalry is all about gratifying women, so don't say men want instant gratification when you're the one who demands chivalry and tradition.
@devilman666 aren't you a catch.
Yeah, I am one hell of a nice catch, thank you for noticing. Lmao I'm not the one here being demeaning.
@devilman666 white knighting is about the most demeaning thing someone can do. Also you seem to not understand the value of manners and etiquette.
When did I white knight? Do you know what that term means? It's a man who will defend women no matter what. They always view a woman as a damsel in distress and will rush in to save you from wasting your time in a pointless argument when they can waste their time for you. I don't think I've defended women once in this comment thread lmao. by the way if you want to accuse me of mansplaining, go ahead, I really couldn't care less.I have plenty of manners and etiquette, you're just mad because I'm not simping for you. I haven't said or done anything rude, I'm merely trying to get my feelings across on why I think men are also oppressed by society, but everytime I try to do so I get shut out by women who refuse to accept their own sexism and hear out the other side. It's like trying to convince your creepy Uncle Ron that slapping girls on the ass as you walk past on the street, is not okay. And he just responds, "It's just a game, harmless flirting, no one's REALLY being hurt by it".I guess oppressing men and forcing them into traditional gender roles is proper etiquette? If so then I suppose you're right, I don't understand the value of oppressing men and forcing them into traditional gender roles, do you? Can you please explain it to me?
Chivalry is about gender roles.
Exactly. And men are usually bigger, stronger, and more agressive than women (physically). That's not to say women are weak. Even the wealest femake mma fighter could kick my ass. Also, in terms of the species women are more important. One healthy man can have children with multiple women. Not all instincts are bad. Some increase survival and some are just a sign of respect (like opening doors) Rant over. :)
@jerdanro Agree honestly, my problem with the current feminism (liberal feminism) is that it comes off as men hating for literally anything. Also when there are actual problems in regards to sexism/misogyny, it seems like it takes the focus away from it. This benevolent sexism is very dumb in my opinion, most of it just seems like a guy who's being nice. Then again I avoid the types who spew this drivel
@GirlyGal30 You may not bite his head off, but some women may mistake an act of kindness for a guy wanting sex or persuing a relationship 🤷🏽♂️ I. e. selfish motives
@GirlyGal20 I mean
@GirlyGal20 I’ve been the man yelled at for holding the door. It happened about 8 years ago I held the door for a woman at the milk and said excuse me at Walmart. She started yelling at me in the store like I assaulted her or something. This was my introduction to the things I hate about women today. Your not free of blame either though. You and other women like you should be far more vocal then these psycho feminists letting men know you appreciate their sacrifice and that these women do not speak for all women. But you have millions of women screaming at men and a handful shielding them... I mean we literally have men choosing not to pursue a relationship ever in their lives. If women like you don’t defend us we’re not going to protect you anymore. Sure you got your husband but what about your daughter? Do you want her growing up raped and assaulted in the streets and nobody responds like videos I’ve seen in New York? Do you want your son arrested for “rape” for helping change a strange woman’s tire? Also got a video of this.
@VanillaSalt That's true and I do talk to some sometimes, and I see your point. I do try but it's very exhausting speaking to some who just don't want to consider that they could tone it down a notch. Don't know what else to do honestly. I just think American women don't understand that the situation is worse in other first world countries (ex. women burned alive by some men). That's insane that some lady screamed at you for that alone, I don't understand acting like that.
If women can’t treat men right then men need to cut them off. But men are thirsty hoes. They won’t do what is necessary. They got sex dolls that can hold a conversation now lol. Fully automated and everything. And the price is less than you think. Sex dolls are prostitutes are the future. But our children if not raised right will be completely screwed.
Also, women can sign up for the draft and go fight endless wars like men do
@msc545 We should make it a law for women to go to war or face court martial for dereliction of duty like men
I dont expect a man to protect me except he is a police/firefighter which is his fucking job and i would tell the same thing about men. Men are not bodyguards and so men are human beings too that need to be saved/helped too.
Not doing civil courage is illegal in my country. So it is common sense to call the police or try to help someone when you see someone in danger. I think should do civil courage if it is possible
So when the police come to your home in the distant future and say your breaking the law because insert unconstitutional reasons here... what do you expect to protect you. I’m curious when the police become the enemy where’s the buck stop because it’s not men’s responsibility?
Wtf has that to with men? Police dont help anyone for free. It is his fucking job
Who said that? What’s a police officers real job let me hear you say it.
Wait do you mean that police may become the enemy? We should respect police since they protect us. And i said everyone should help eachother when they can and i also said i dont expect men to help but i appreciate when they help me
No I want to hear you tell me the real reason for police because it’s not protecting and service you... that’s just their motto.
As i said everyone should do civil courage but i can understand when someone dont want to help you since this person may put his/her life in danger
because of you. To be honest humans are selfish to an extent. So why should anyone risk his/her life for anyone except for their own kids/parents/spouses
You’re pissing me of you straight up refuse to answer the question. Ignore the strange women getting raped or beaten in the streets. Her safety isn’t my concern. I got shits to take more important than some random woman’s safety. And if you think otherwise you’re sexist.
Then fuck off and stfu.
You are also pissing me off for not reading what i wrote. I already answere your questions fuck off now fucking idiot
@VanillaSalt dude no offence but you seem to have some issues. You must have a rough life.
Then why do men overwhelmingly have to ask women out? And why are the courts so biased against men? Especially in family court.
What’s pregnancy go to do with it. It’s not his kid?
@VanillaSalt You don't have to ask women out. Plenty of women will make the first move. I think your age group tends to take a different, more traditional route when it comes to that kind of thing. Which is probably why fewer men are asked out by women. Same problem with the court thing, not everyone is willing to give up on traditional 'gender roles'. just because I personally want a change, doesn't mean everyone does. However, you will probably see more changes made to that kind of thing when the rest of Gen Z grows up. About the pregnant thing, I mean when it comes to 'give your seat on the subway up to a woman' and that kind of thing. When someone is pregnant this should be common courtesy, no matter your gender.
Good points. I struggle with my natural desire to protect and provide because all women do not deserve this. If you want to be truly equal then fine but all the extra privileges that come with being a woman should disappear with it. If you want the privilege then be prepared to pay for that extra privilege in an acceptable way like being feminine, homemaker, children, etc. I’ll be honest my preference is selfish. I work 60-80 hours a week. I’m not coming home and doing the dishes. What do I need you for? I could just as soon use plastic or be single and have less dishes.Also fear plays a role. Do you know how dangerous it is for a man to interact with a random woman? If a woman wanted she could run a man’s life just by falsely accusing him of rape. Then suffer no consequences depending on the situation. Nobody wants to put consequences on women for being unable to prove rape but then #metoo appears and does basically the opposite. And in the wake of all this very VERY few women stand up and protect men. Even if feminists are a minority their the vocal majority and that’s unacceptable. As far as I’m concerned ALL women are guilty of allowing it for not speaking up.
@VanillaSalt Yeah, again. A lot of this stuff is being changed/protested against (in smaller numbers) online and such, and things are slowly starting to change. The difference is, it is being done among the younger communities, and isn't being as blown up as other issues atm. One thing I should also mention, is, contrary to what seems to be popular belief on this site, feminists aren't evil. The kind of feminists you people seem to hate (understandably) are extremists, you just see more about them plastered all over because they are so dramatic they attract a lot of attention..
I hate extremists on both sides but I dislike all feminists. See here’s the thing. We all suffer together. With unique problems, rapes more prevalent in women where as murder is in men. My view on women is it’s their job to support men as they take on the world to not only protect them but their children. 10 years ago I never would have left a woman to change her own tire. After that story a man was arrested for rape and it was proven by video false I quit thinking like that. Few months ago 3 women were changing their own tire and I left them to it. Did you see that video of a man raping a woman in a NYC subway in broad daylight and nobody stops it? In their situation I don't know of ide step in either. On one hand there’s my desire to protect. On the other is I could get hurt, die, be charged with some crime... for someone that don’t even appreciate me. I don't know if it’s spite of self-preservation stopping me but... I never though ide have such a question. It should be easy and obvious. This creates a terrible society. People need direction. A+B=C. Gender roles are there as a template for a relationship for a reason. Men spend years moldings themselves into protectors and providers. Women grow supportive and feminine. These are roles you change depending on your mood. These are a lifetime of preparation and work. Without this template we’ve started getting superficial and selfish in what we look for in partners. Divorce, MGTOW, sexism, selfishness... these are all on the rise yet people think we’re on the right path. Feminism in itself is breaking society... no. The word equality and what people think of it’s breaking society. Men and women are not equal. Blacks and whites are not equal. Hell twin white brothers are not equal. Stop focusing on everybody being unique but equal and focus on being a good person doing the best you can for yourself and others... sexism, racism, feminism... all ism’s disappear on the spot if you do.
@VanillaSalt I don't really agree with most of that, but I also don't feel like starting an argument rn. Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. Thanks for the interesting conversation ig ✌
So the phrase" women and children first" should no longer apply?It's should be "children and whoever gets there first"?
Though said mockingly @grega239, that's actually a good point. We should just say "children first" in light of feminism.
I think children (and parents I guess) and civilians should go first yeah. Children should always be the priority
Also there’s a difference between being polite and just thinking, as a man, you need to protect a woman
Civilians? In a house fire the civilian is usually the woman because the men are busy putting out the fire.In a war the civilian is the woman because men are fighting it.For men, being polite and protecting a woman is the same thing. I'm not gonna protect a random man. He's a man and his fights are not my concern. A random woman on the other hand I have to put myself in front of her to shield her because according to chivalry I am duty bound as a man to do so or be labeled as a coward by society.
@grega239 it should be women and their children first cause it was alwaus about women and what they care about
@DaisyM23 if you were being attacked would you want a man walking by to defend you or keep walking? If he just called the police, you'd be raped, beaten, or dead by the time they got there.
@jerdanro i would want the stupid simp to keep walking by
@jerdanro, I don't think that's a male responsibility, it's a human responsibility as far as I'm concerned, if you see another human in trouble, compassion dictates that you should help them. Otherwise, you're a dick.
@Vetis Chivalry isn't being a simp. Empathy isn't being a simp. Courage isn't being a simp.
@Ronald_25. I agree.
Notice how it's mainly young teenage girls who probably hasn't been through anything and is still in High school.. 😂😂..
@DaisyM23, the male need to idealise and protect women may be an evolutionary trait, or love 🤷🏽♂️
Well said, and an excellent point.
Thank you sir. Here's some related information.theconversation.com/why-women-including-feminists-are-still-attracted-to-benevolently-sexist-men-101067journals.sagepub.com/.../0146167218781000@IveGotNoName
This is some excellent background research sir!
I agree but here’s the problem... look at some of the women in this post... you can’t treat all women the same and the law applies to these women and women like you. Why should I suffer for women when women, it don’t matter if it’s the majority or the vocal majority, wanna treat me like shit? Like I don’t see you screaming from the mountains for me. This is the problem. ALL women enjoy the benefits of a having a vagina and the privilege that comes with it. Many want to act like hoes cheat, lie, steal, manipulate, just act as unladylike as possible but still enjoy the protections. Women are paying alimony at a higher rate now and they’re complaining. Where the fuck were these complaints when they were the benefactors? We HAD a system where women were a greater priority and protect by all men as a class. In return for said privilege they were expected to look nice, be feminine, act ladylike, and to not be anything that women are today. Feminism broke this system because a few bad things happened overwhelmingly to women. You didn’t defend the system so you don’t deserve to take part in the system.
Just be a woman and get back in the kitchen xDDD funny how much you'd hate it if the tables were turned. Apparently it's sexist to expect traditionalism from women, but it's not sexist to expect traditionalism from men?Yes, yes it is sexism to tell him to "be a man", just like how it is sexist to tell a woman to get back in the kitchen. It carries a traditional expectation with it, which you are trying to enforce. If it's wrong to enforce gender roles on one gender then it's sexist for both genders.
Apparently, I went with positive sexism but that's not PC anymore apparently 🤷🏽♂️
So do you protect men or do you assume that as a woman you are weaker? Cause if so... that's sexism.
@devilman666 of course I protect men where I can. I have 3 brothers and make best friends. 🙄
*male but they’re all very protective of me off their own backs.
But being saved in a life n Death situation id hope any man would help but not use it as an opportunity to be inappropriate
@lilyanony1 You raise two, TOTALLY separate issues, here. Yes, if someone is in danger of dying, I would do anything I can, short of killing myself to help them, male or female. Of course, if there were kids, they would come first!As for your own issues with men, and 'boundaries', I think you need to talk with some trustworthy male friends, and find out what you are doing, NOT KNOWING, that makes those douchebags think that they can act in a way that offends you. Not saying it is your fault, but sometimes a douchebag guy needs a solid kick to the groin, to get the message. Can you do that?
A make colleague at work just started it was his first day, he was nervous and making mistakes. He apologisized. We ran late I told him it was OK as he was getting familiar with new systems. He divulged that he is divorced and his wife was unkind, he said working 7 days a week means he can't find anyone noone wants to date him, so I said "I'm sure there's someone out there for you, there is someone for everyone" I was being polite, also I thought it was OK since he was clearly feeling comfortable/uncomfortable. He asked me about the local area, where to get lunch etc so I guided him, he then suggested we go to eat once we come out of lockdown so I said that's very kind maybe we can invite the weekend working staff to celebrate. Over the few weeks He kept running late by wanting to talk in between so I would shut him down. At times he sit just looking at my breast so I would start taking to him or ask him whether I had something on my top to remind him, we were at work.
The following week I changed my bra to a sports one to flatten everything, he said "oh you changed?" "what exactly have I changed?" (stern tone) "oh I'm mistaken I forget where I am, I work 7days different places sometimes I forget"I needed to ask him something to which I was told to do so by staff, when I blurted out "I needed to ask you something" he said "are you going to ask me on a date?" no I made sure he could see and hear my disgust through the mask and I said "No! Don't be ridiculous"I'm careful of how I speak to people at work because people have been sabotaging me which isn't cool and obviously it's due to job survival but I straight told my manager. When I was working with someone else he tried to talk to me in passing so I told him "can't chat really busy" and rushed off. We worked together one more week despite asking not to during which he decided he wanted to offer me a hug and I shouted no. I didn't engage in conversation, to which I would ask whether he needed help with anything then would leave the room.Because I've done this, last weekend he went out his way to try and speak to me. I was bending over and he came up behind me and said "hello" obviously I jumped.Another time he asked me why I didn't say good morning to him.So I told him my colleague responded and I was busy rushing as you could see, I thought you understood. The next step would be to tell he is inappropriate, he said he was leaving in June so I thought this would be enough.
During this period of time people have been saying how unkind others are including myself having lost a parent. Noone cares. Or cared enough to understand what im dealing with I have to work to survive and my job is essential so I can't take time out. Anyways showing people especially men compassion just seems make them think I'm into them. I was just being a decent member of staff. Especially when my other manager was unhelpful and basically threw him in the deep end without showing him things to get on.
That would mean learning how to be a wife
@Vetis why would it mean that?
Cause women have nothing else to offer the world
@Vetis even assuming that were true (which it is not), why would women starting to be chivalrous to men, mean that men would have to start being anything different than we are now?
B. c. society hasn't been built in a way for men to be generally pitied by women
@Vetis again WHAT would that have to do with men becoming wives OR women being chivalrous to men?
@Vetis wait, do you mean you think men are chivalrous to women because we pity them? So in order to recieve chivalry men would need to be pitied by women, and the only way to do that is to become wives because wives are the most unfortunate things to be and women are already on that level?Or did I hopefully just misunderstand you, but I can't make sense of what you're saying any other way.
Thats pretty much it.
@Vetis what the fuck are you gay?
you aren't helping your case with that statemtn
@Vetis I can't image how you would ever want to be with a woman since you think so little of them
Women exist for the continuation of the species
@Vetis that even alone sounds like an important position, not one to be pitied.
Theyre pitied because theyre generally inferior
@Vetis how? Physically weaker? That's because as you said they are designed to further the species. One of us has to be able to grow a baby and the other has to be able to protect them while they do it. And it turns out women got to be the ones who grow the babies.Men being physically stronger is so we can protect the future of humanity that we wouldn't even have without women.So how are women inferior?
In your goodness you forgot that you're protecting your little mutants from something. Who do you think that is. Me? Possibly
@Vetis I don't have any little mutants yet cause I haven't got her pregnant yet. But yes, aside from the environment and other animals, I would be protecting them from other humans, including you. Fortunately most humans don't have any reason or desire to hurt other people's children at this point in the development of the species.
@Vetis also how does that matter?
Have you never heard of hitler
@Vetis sorry but you keep saying these things that you see the connection but I don't see any of the connections so could you please explain? how does Hitler have to do with this?
@Vetis also you didn't give a reason to why women are inferior. Unless it was just for the reason that I explained did not in fact make them inferior.
Benevolent sexism and chivalry are the same thing.It doesn't promote women as weak. We already know you are weak. Do you realize how huge the physical strength difference there is between men and women?Upper body strength difference is about 50%.
@grega239 we aren't talking about biological differences here.
No but biology is why men are supposed to defend women
@grega239 perhaps once and perhaps sometimes this will happen. I think the point is that sexism implies that it is always the case that women are defenseless. I have studied self-defense specifically for women because yes most women cannot overpower a man but it doesn't mean a that is the only way to fight back.
Chivalry is sexism by definition.Sexism is discrimination based on sex.Chivalry is a code of conduct that states that men are obligated to help a woman. Men don't offer their coats or jackets to men do we? I'm not gonna help a man pick up 20 kgs because it's not hard to do for a man.Unless you train to defend yourself or have a weapon for that purpose, you are defenless. I know it sucks to hear , but you're gonna have to accept this fact.And hey, I'm not too find of going out of my way to spare women such inconveniences as opening doors, and lift things that are heavy for women and all that. But I, like a lot of other men, have been borderline brainwashed as kids that it's the right thing to do because we are men and to not do those things makes us lesser men.Maybe instead of complaining how it's sexist and makes women look weak (which it doesn't) you should be greatful that you're afforded these privileged simply for being female
Then what about men? Some strange man has to die because your valued by society more? To get this kind of privilege comes some kind of responsibility. Men should get something out of the deal for being less important...
Men are not less important. I know my husband would make sure the kids and I were ok before himself.
Why should he?
Because our kids are everything to us.
Some other man’s kids mean nothing to me.
I should restate that. Your prioritizing kids over adults and I agree. But if that’s the save he have better luck grabbing the kid and running then dragging you along.When your husbands not there... you just gonna die or do you want a man to jump in and fulfill his role? I agree with your side I’m playing devils advocate. Why should you and your kids lives be more important just because he has a penis?
They are important because we would give our lives for them. I agree if he could take one and I take the other that’s the beat chance. We would send our kids off without us if we had to but they need an adult. They won’t survive on their own. They are too young.
More important than a stranger I mean.
I think he forgets that women died in childbirth time and time over to have his children. Most men have that natural instinct. Just like women are prone to nurture. I guess some just don’t.
*mens (not his)
And you forget men died fighting for your safety. @lives2learn your children are a good point though. Their the future. Do you want your son growing up being taken advantage of because he’s a man and society has expectations of him while not of women to balance it all out? What about your daughter? Do you want her to die alone because more and more men just don’t want to commit because of the dangers of getting involved with the opposite gender outweighing the benefits several fold?I prefer a society where women care and men protect not just where couples look out for each other because the fact is... today’s woke women provide nothing to a good quality man to incentivize him to say fight or die for them.
Biologically, men are more expendable than women. One healthy male can impregnate multiple women. Social ideas and attitudes are as ruled by social evolution as physical traits are ruled by biological evolution. The traits that lead to the most reproduction tend to persist.
@loves2learn So you are a stay at home wife?
Also biologically women are weaker and need a man to protect them from the works. Take away welfare and police and see which sex survives. They dropped a group of women on one island and a group of men on a different island for the same time with the same time. The men succeeded abs the women had all kinds of failure. Look up the video and understand is society that men but that allows women to act like their better.
Your husband would do that because he thinks you and the kids are more important than he is.Male disposability is a real thing
I agree that kids should be rescued first but not women. You're not a child. Don't put yourself in the same category with kids.
@devilman666 no I work full time. @apimpnamedslickback who will care for the children? They can’t survive on their own.
@love2learn are men incapable of caring for children?I love how you hold traditional expectations of men but not yourself. When it benefits you, tradition must stay, but otherwise you abandon it without a moments hesitation. If you're gunna make this traditional argument then at least be a traditional woman. Like you make the bullshit argument of pretending like women are the only ones who can care for kids, but also you don't think women should be working full time instead of raising and caring for kids.
@devilman666 you are taking what I said completely out of context. What I’m saying is if I were to send my children off away from me I would need to know they would be cared for.
@devilman666 furthermore I do work full time.
Me, I disagree, you get butter in one side, that's enough, otherwise we're buttering them up too much. Butter.
I don’t think anything like this should exist but I think it’s better than the original. You know, if everyone had hi or, there would be peace. Learn more about that in my book that Willa be shared in some years. But I still haven’t even designed the guy who will be explaining it all
If your nice to a woman your SIMP.
Please define SIMPS