It depends on the circumstances. If it’s something that’s just to be polite, like opening doors for people, it’s not harmful. I open doors for everyone. If someone did that on a date, I would think it was sweet. But then I would do the same for them.
Some behaviors that are associated with “chivalry,” I don’t actually consider to be benevolent. For example, I find it quite creepy when guys put their hand on my back if we’re walking somewhere. Keep your hands to yourself, thank you.
And then there are cases where it makes sense to give more help to women in *most* cases. I don’t consider that sexism though. Offering to walk a girl home makes sense. Not because she’s a girl and that means she somehow doesn’t know the way home. But because women have a high chance of being assaulted -or worse - if they walk alone at night. Acknowledging that isn’t sexist. It’s just showing concern for someone’s safety.
Giving up seats to pregnant women makes sense. Not just because they’re women, but because they’re pregnant. They have an actual need for it which is greater than most people have. Even giving up seats to women wearing skirts makes sense, so they don’t have to sit on the floor. Because it’s hard to sit on the floor in a skirt without flashing people. But I also think guys should be allowed to wear skirts too. I would give up a seat for a guy in a skirt, if I wasn’t also in one. I also don’t mind when guys offer to carry things for me. Because I have no upper body strength. So it’s actually helpful. Most guys are physically stronger than most women. If there were guys struggling with the same things, I like to believe that people would offer to help them too. And I have plenty of girl friends who offer to help with things like that too. It’s not sexism to help someone who needs something more than you do, even if the person you’re helping happens to be a woman.
Basically, I don’t think benevolent sexism is a thing. It’s either not benevolent because it’s creepy. Or it’s not sexism because it should be done for everyone. Or it’s not sexism because women are actually more likely to need things like that.
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Women don't need men to save them or take care of them, so yes, that behavior should be discouraged
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I would prefer to encourage something resembling it although I would not call it sexism since my variant does not have anything to do with a person's sex. If a building erupts on fire and someone -- whether male or female -- is unusually brave and competent in such situations, I think it's admirable if they guide other people (including men and not just women and children) to safety. There should be no need to infantilize or idolize anyone or want to get in their pants in order to protect them when they are unable to protect themselves. Such a protector quality of the proper sort lacking ulterior motives should be encouraged rather than ridiculed.
The last thing I want to encourage is desperate ass-kissing and putting women (or men for that matter) on a pedestal like a simp. Yet the reason I think we're breaking people down into simps or self-serving loners these days is that we are failing to encourage and raise the type of man who can combine masculinity and leadership qualities with a sense of honor.
It's like all the people these days who think "man up" is a hostile and bullying term suggesting that a man should stifle his emotions. That's a fundamental misunderstanding of its origins which had more to do with thinking positively and productively enough to solve problems rather than endlessly dwell on them and complain about them and make them worse.
I think we are failing to raise men properly more often than not and so I think that leads to a lot of confused men. Many of the more masculine and dominant ones often become self-serving like players who exploit women and ruthless bosses who exploit their workers like a lion using its claws to prey on the weak. Many of the less masculine and more submissive ones turn into asskissers who idolize women and resemble their servants like timid sheep who have no claws in the first place. It's the lion who can conquer but also retract its claws in the right situations that are becoming so rare, and I think that's in part because we threw the baby out with the bathwater when more extreme feminist ideologies starting assaulting masculinity in general.All I know is that one day women are going to be sorry that there are no real men left. That is when they are going to realise that many of the traditional roles weren't so bad and in fact they were pretty good.
I grew up in a family where my dad worked a 9 to 5 and my mom worked 24-7 as a wife, mother, cook, maid, nurse and life coach with somehow enough time to take care of herself and do the things she wanted to do for herself. Even though my dad was the head of the household, it was my mom that really was the glue that held the family together.
She respected my father as a man and he respected her as a woman. She made sure us kids wore clean underwear, brushed our teeth and hair, did our homework and made sure we knew how to behave in public, at school or at a friends house.
My father would defend the family, make sure the broken water pipe was fixed, see to it the trash was taken out, make sure my mom always had a good reliable car with a tank full of gas, made sure she could treat herself and have nice clothes, work long hours in the heat and cold and he made sure we respected our mom and all women. (Ok a few didn't deserve it but you know what i mean)
Their relationship wasn't perfect, none are, but they each had a role that they knew was essential to the success of the family they chose to start. They worked well together and made sure they had some fun along the way. Some of my mom's friends that worked as real estate agents or lawyers would often ask her why she accepts being a housewife and she would say because that is what she wanted to be. There is no problem with women being successful but there is a problem when they don't see how valuable a good wife and mother is to society.
Not saying every woman is supposed to stay home and have babies. These days it is more difficult to have a one income family. But I do see a lot of women chasing a career when they don't need to. Chasing a career while their kids go to daycare everyday.So they're calling it 'benevolent sexism' now are they? I prefer the 'old-fashioned' term of chivalry, and the world was a much better place when it was accepted as being normal and expected.
My understanding of chivalry isn't just about being nice to women, but being an overall decent person with manners. For example, I often hold open shop doors to allow customers who are either entering or exiting to do so safely, because the alternative (to simply let go of the door or slam it in their faces) is disrespectful, rude and potentially dangerous. The people (both men and women) I do this for are always thankful and never rude about it.
Chivalry must never die, and as long as I am on this earth it never will.meh no sometimes i think feminism has gone too far. If a guy opens the door for me i'm just going to think he's being nice.. why would i bite his head off for that
Sure. A woman and man of equal age, equal health are about to be crashed into by a car you can save one. If you save the woman just cause there a girl that's unfair on the man. Your choice here should just be random or who is easier to save not based on there gender.
Like titanic it should of been half men half women who got in the boats not just women. And of course family first father and mother and child.
The opening doors thing ya should do that for everyone or no one, or pick out of some other bias than just gender like maybe there your friend.I have to laugh, many times, and not in a MEAN way, but so many women want this "EQUALITY" but they don't know what it means!!
A female friend, that I had recently debated "sexism" with, called me, in the rain, with a flat tire.
"Call Triple A," I said, because she didn't "NEED A MAN" but didn't know shit, about her car.
She called back, saying it would be a 2 hour wait. SO? Not my problem, I wouldn't want to be "SEXIST" and offer to come help.
But it REALLY FUCKING HURT, to go against everything that I grew up with, and knowing, and respecting, caring, loving, BUT SHE CHOSE THAT!!
3-1/2 hours, and almost $200 dollars, getting screwed by the towing company, and not having any roadside insurance, or AAA!
Maybe some need to learn lessons the HARD WAY. Is it Sexist, or just something else. . .I hold open for men and women because I believe its polite.
I wash the sheets, clean the dishes, and vacuum because my wife is tired, and she will do the same when I'm too tired. I think this whole "women are oppressed" nonsense has gone too far.
A famous female British politician, Anne Widdicombe, said "women have reached the goal of equal rights, and now that they have it, they don't know what to do with it. Now they are looking for special privileges".
And for a woman approaching 75 years old. Has seen 2 female prime ministers, A Queen reign 60 years, and she herself having served over 30 years in politics, im prepared to take her opinion for it. Bear in mind that women were MPs when she was born. it would be almost another 30 years before the first British female MP, who would later go on to be PM, would take office.Helping someone has nothing to do with gender. I dont understand the ego of some men just because men are physically strong. I open a door for everyone, help someone when I can etc. You are not something special for helping someone. I dont understand why is a man called gentleman just because he is nice and open a door for example. Sometimes I did not get a thank you for opening a door for a man or helping them and i dont expect them to thank me since you should not want something in return because you help someone. Being a decent human being and having manners should be the norm. This has nothing to with gender. So you are not special when you help women and vica versa.
I stopped caring about a generation ago, after one woman too many gave me a mouthful because I held a rather large brass and glass bank door open for her.
Okay, women can do anything.
Women, fish, bicycles and all that.
Practical application: bitches are on their own.
Now, even if a woman was being assaulted on the street, I would probably not assist... unless she was wearing a Trump hat.
If I know for sure that the female is a fellow Deplorable, anyone who assaults her is dead meat.Nope. It's 2021 not the 1950s. Women are strong , independent, equal and can do anything a man can do.
Chivalry is part of patriarchy and patriarchy is bad for women.
We should give women the chance to start courting men, open their own doors, buy their own chocolates and flowers, pay for dates , and defend themselves if someone attacks them.
Women also need to learn how to use tools in case they need to fix something in their home or get a flat tire.
And don't forget your jacket if your going out. Can't expect a man to give you his and be cold himselfYeah, I don't see the point. Unless the woman is obviously pregnant or something. I get some of the stuff people decide to stick with, (ex. opening doors) because I do that kind of thing anyway, regardless of gender. Might just be me though, I tend to fall into habits that are considered 'manly'? (can't remember the actual term rn for whatever reason) But with the more serious things, guys shouldn't have to feel like they have to take a bullet for someone just because they are female..
It's a made up term invented by angry feminists to shame men into being weak. Any man who's raised properly should feel naturally protective towards the women under his care. If these feminists get the "true equality" they want by making it illegal for men to be protective, they'll quickly come to realise what a violent and chaotic world lies beyond the protections of men in their lives.
For me whether it's discouraged or not I'm still gonna be myself and I do try to display chivalry whenever I can. Whether I get called sexist or not is irrelevant as far as I'm concerned modern feminisme is hate-preaching cult and their opinion on anything is as null and void as their very existence.
Someone has be seriously go downhill to come up with that conclusion. If a guy feels like his kind women in serials providing emotional support to men attacks men/masculinity he'll be labled an idiot at the very least, and rightfully so. If being nice to someone or doing good for someone offends that someone... that someone likely has insecurity or self confidence issues.
We don’t really need men to save us in the general term. You can be chivalrous sure but thinking you need to idealise and protect women is weird
The problem is women want it both ways. They still want men to protect them, their country and their society but want to maintain the fantasy that they don't need them to do it. What the charges of benevolent sexism amount to is wanting a benefit without having to acknowledge you are receiving it, express any appreciation for it or owe any reciprocating benefits in return. They want it both ways.
As long as there's no ulterior motive or bad thought process it's fine.
Chivalry is supposed to be done as a good thing you do because you want to do good. Not just being nice to women you're attracted to with the hopes of getting into their pants.Here's the reality of benevolent sexism. Women complain about it in concept, but they love it when men do it and find men who do more attractive. Essentially, when it comes to gender roles, women want to have their cake and eat it too.
It should be encouraged. Women are too weak and dumb to do most things. If they were smart and strong they would have built the world, yet they need to cling to social dynamics like feminism and they still lose. If they were so smart they would just be a CEO instead of nagging everyone why there aren't many women CEOs like whiney helpless children. "Mommy Daddy make me CEO whaaaawhaaa" lmfao and then they say they are smart and strong and independent what a funny joke! So yes they need all the benevolent sexism they can get.
I seriously cannot even roll my eyes hard enough.
You're a man. Yeah I can do it but shoot help me. Why not? Be a man. Damn. No it's not sexism it's being a bloody man.
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