I bet u hear it all the time. “Ur not black so u wouldn’t under”. So u don’t give ur input on the black community. Many black communities r riddled with run down stores, not the best schools, boarded up buildings, housing projects and some noticeably higher small crime rates. I ask myself y is that. I know plenty of other black people that r educated and doing well for themselves. So y does the black community as a whole seems to suffer so much? Well I started thinking, there is many strides black people have taken to build its community but it seems that progress is slow or non existent in some areas. There is a great line from Jacques Rigaut... “Don’t forget that I can not see myself. My role is limited to being the one who looks in the mirror”. The observation from other races can possibly be constructive criticism the black community needs in order to understand how to further positive progress within th black community. With that said what r ur opinions on what u have observed that can attribute to holding back the black community from being as successful?
What is ur opinion on what is holding the black community back from being as successful as non black communities?
If you are truly interested then you have to step out of what you already know, what you think you know, and what school's (K-12) teach about black history. (Not saying to forget about them but to clear your mind to open up to new or different way of viewing the subject)
We must have some common ground too. (Without this common ground in mind it will be hard to see it from the other side) 1. We agree that the Black community are struggling today and that they have been for centuries (within the United States context). 2. While we can see the Black Lives have improved over the Centuries and that in History books and old documents state that Slaves are free, We must acknowledge that While on paper they are free. The Reality is that change cannot just happen on paper, people's attitudes, bias, beliefs, and stigmas towards black people must change. (Which is really hard due to various reasons such as the time periods normal views and treatment of black people Plus the lose of human capital. [Technically they solved that problem through putting former slaves into debt in the disguise of exchanging their work for... a place to live and the tools to do any given work]). I'll discuss this more below. 3. Black Lives Matter's Movement would not have started if there wasn't a massive common experience. People do not start a protest for nothing and can not start from nothing; there must be a shared experience for people to come together. 4. All Lives Matter's (and Blue Lives Matters) is a movement that sprung up as a Counter Protest towards Black Lives Matter. So this is where I think I lose most people in the conversation. However, please bare with me. Black Live's Matters is not a protest that is saying they want to be valued more than others. Black Live's Matters is a protest about the fear, discrimination, mistreatment, hate, bias, stigmas, etc. towards Black People that is so common that they need to speak up about the systemic and societal problems they face on a daily bases. And since there is a huge disagreement with that sentiment that All Lives and Blue Lives Matter sprang up to denounce or at very least draw attention away from Black Lives Matter protest. An example of a protest that didn't have a counter protest is the Women's March. 5. America's History is riddled with a Racist Past that it will not acknowledge and there are so many historical points in history and in present day that are still systematically happening. (And no America isn't the only country with a history of Racism, however, we cannot go an talk about world history as there is a word and time limitation)
Now we need to inspect our own view points of Black people. Growing up in America I know first hand in the city that I was terrified of black people because of all of the stories about "black crime." My Parents are immigrants and trusts a lot of the news they see and hear. While yes the crimes at the time of reporting were committed not all of them are committed by black people, they are accused. And the news doesn't follow up on all of the stories/cases. As I child I thought nothing of that about them. I didn't hate them because of their skin or smell. I wasn't afraid of them because I was not informed or showed that they were bad people (Until I started to watch more TV and Movies). While we don't sit and reflect upon the kind of media consumption, I'd like for the readers here to take a few minutes to think about what you grew up hearing about black people. Then think about what was said and reflect on whether that still holds true to you today.
Continuing #2... Let do a thought experiment.
We know that slaves were from Africa and the slave trade in America started in about 1700's then ended in 1808. The Emancipation Proclamation was signed in 1863 but wasn't enforced really until 1865 (even that was a stretch).
I reached the word limit but the rest will be in my reply.
You are a Black Slave that is free in 1863 that is Uneducated, broke, no place to live, and lived a life of mistreatment, fear, and discrimination. What do you do? Of course you need work to make money, and a place to live. However, there is already over a 100 Years of viewing Black people as slaves (Not human; as capital [lost capital for slave owners]). So we have a problem don't we?
Who has money? White Rich People that gained fortune through slavery. Who were in power at the time (and still does)? White Rich People. What was the incentive to even free the slaves in the first place? To use them in the military during the civil war. It was never about freeing them, it was about power. And black people fought in the war believing that they'd be free.
I need to wrap this up because of the limit. I suggest to look into the matter yourself and put yourself in their shoes. I quick reference I can point to when black people had started to gain wealth and education was burned down and it was called "Tulsa race massacre." People say it didn't happen and refuse to acknowledge the event. However, there is clear evidence and experience of the event.
Racism doesn't end on paper, over night, or over hundreds of years because we all come from a history of hate towards people that we see are different or barbaric. Only recently we started to consider that all human life is equal, however, our actions after such statement/idea says different.
There is more to say. but little time and word limits. So I hope this helps. and lastly check out a short series call Amend: The Fight For America.
Historical denial of loans and funding from redlining which is over but the effects are still there, a lack of good role models because the media likes to highlight bad role models like Cardi B who glorify self destructive criminal behavior instead of people like The Officer Tatum who grew up in the same kind of place that they did and proved that the system is beatable. Single parent households being the norm and it takes two parents to raise a kid properly, failing schools and no ability to switch to a different school due to school choice not being available, having a hard time getting a job due to the lack of a role model and schooling not helping them learn about how to do interviews and such. And culture that keeps telling them there's nothing they can do and that Republicans want to enslave them (the democratic party defended slavery in the Civil War, founded the KKK, and opposed the Civil rights act by the way) and democrats are constantly opposing all of these movements which only makes their situation even worse while republican politicians won't talk about it, unfortunately.
Themselves. They excel at blaming everyone but refuse to blame themselves.
I grew up in Detroit as a black woman. Would you like to know how many of my fellow high school peers dropped out? A lot. Girls got pregnant early & dropped out to get onto welfare. Boys dropped out lured by the promise of riches & fame as drug dealers, gang members, etc. Or aimed to have a half dozen kids by twenty & went on welfare too.
One merely has to look at the response of black community "leaders" to certain things to realize this reality. Years ago a bunch I believe in Chicago at least was asked about the black-on-black violence. Would you like to know their response?
Blame everyone & everything else. Blame that they're poor - plenty of whites & minorities are poor. Blame that they are "different" - plenty of minorities have their little "cultural ghettos". Blame this, blame that. Not once in this questionarie did one of these "leaders" grow a spine & a pair of balls and say... yes this is a problem we as the black community should address & deal with.
Then there's the fact a number don't really respect themselves or each other.
I see a lot of posts by the guys saying children are raised without fathers. Well yeah if daddy's a douche who is in & out of jail more than he's around or screwing anyone in a ten-block radius that'll open her legs because more bastards = more welfare money of course that's going to be the case. Many black "fathers" see their kids as welfare cash. They don't care.
One merely has to look at how black women & children are treated. Abuse is, in many areas, highest among blacks. There have been cases of black women being beaten in broad daylight in public by their "boyfriend" or "husband" and a group of black witnesses doing nothing but staring like a pack of mangy hyenas.
Neglect is rampant. In St. Louis oh about a decade ago a black boy was eaten alive by a pack of half-starved semi-feral dogs. Would you like to know how the community responded? They took their dogs back. They argued against spaying & neutering. And the "mother" if you'd disrespect the dub had no clue nor care where her boy was... just threw him out of the house & if he happened to come home at nightfall well good for him.
I'm in that percentage of black people who actually wants to become successful. I don't ask for fame, but to live a normal life as a computer engineer. I'm planning on applying for a Hope's Scholarship since I obviously can't pay for college. At first, I didn't want to go to college because it was going to be extra years of school. Then I realized, I want to be a computer engineer years later. Not only that isn't all. I also have zero computer experience. Like, I'm not good with computer science nor building things.
I won't say that this is my dream job because I'm looking forward into getting paid lots so I can do what I want to do in my future. Nowadays, money makes the world go 'round. I just want the experience that I've never experienced before.
It's like that because Black people burn down their neighborhood ever 5 to 10 years in race riots and have very high crime rates. It's high risk, low reward to do business there. When you burn down your local small business they can’t afford to come back. Thus you end up with a boarded up burnt out building. When you don’t pay your rent your land lord gets foreclosed on by the bank and loses their property. When you purposely destroy your own community then you have to live in your own filth. With no jobs, high crime, a run down area you are not a desirable place to live, work, or play thus property values are low and as a result taxes are low. When taxes are low, there is low levels of funding to pay for schools. Housing projects and section 8 funding are tax payer funded charity to keep you alive. It’s a self created problem of bad culture in the Black community. When white people come in to fix up the place and offer jobs you call it gentrification. You complain that prices go up for rent and housing, but that’s where the jobs are created and tax base comes from to pay for better school education. So you want to stay in the gutter. People come time and time again to pick the Black man up but Black people burn it to the ground and say poor me. White people come to Black neighborhoods to save lives and tell you to stop stabbing each other to death, and Black people cry knife fights are a normal part of growing up… It’s fucking ridiculous and pathetic.
1. Killing each other too much. 2. Non existent nuclear families mostly single mother households (70% to 80% of black households are single mother h) due to so called women's sexual liberation and pump and dump reactionary culture. 3. Bad role models all over the place - Michael Jordan is a great role model - Tupac LeChina pop smoke are definitely not 4. Victim mindset - There is a reason why you see black people getting out of their original neighborhoods even if they're middle class - There are no like minded people for growth mindset in such places - taking no responsibility for their own well being and blaming it on someone else - Mainly because of bad parenting and obviously almost all reasons stated above. 4. They have most AIDs/HIV cases by far especially compared to their population percentage shows for homosexuality also correlated with how people end up being raised in single mother households - which shows that such societies either are creating effeminate men or extremely masculine delinquent men - Most self proclaimed boss bitches are black and those who aren't are very conservative - what i mean is living in extremes. In my opinion all reasons are equally bad and are very very bad yet no one wants to talk about it because they'll feel offended and you'll just be called a racist - I have black friends back in the state who did better for themselves than most other people - There are winners and there are losers that's all there is to it at this point and parents and political agendas are to blame
When Charles Payne was a young boy, his dream in life was to become a successful businessman. He was poor, but dressed as nice as he could, and his mother bought him a plastic briefcase to take to school.
He said he had to learn to run very fast, because he was chased daily by black thugs in the neighborhood, and if they caught him, they'd beat the shit out of him for "acting white." So as another member said: "blacks are their own worst enemies."
Two things. First education. The better the education the better you will succeed. The second is much more complicated and controversial and there may not be a good solution. Black people are often perceived by White people as being culturally inferior. Everything from choice of style and music to how words are pronounced and grammar. Since White people constitute a higher percentage of employers and are the ones more often than not doing the judging and hiring, this puts Blacks at a disadvantage. The most successful Black people (not including sports stars, actors and professional musicians/singers) tend to be ones who speak and act like White people.
The black community is whats holding back the black community. We have a black entrepreneur group that meets and a city entrepreneur group that meets which is majority white. By excluding themselves to their community I don't know how they expect white people to know about their businesses and invest in them. So they are limiting their opportunities not expanding them.
Same thing why do black people live in areas w shitty stores and schools? Why dont they just move to anywhere else in town? If i was going to buy a house i wouldn't buy one in a shitty area. Plenty of black people do leave the black community and those are usually the ones doing really well for themselves.
Unfortunately, IMHO, part of the black community is under the illusion that becoming a rapper, sports star or graffiti artist is the easy way when only the lucky few doing those become successful. Another part thinks dealing in criminal activities is the path to financial success while another part prefer to stay on the welfare gravy train. All of them have one thing in common, they do not want to make the effort of becoming better through working their way up through education, climbing the corporate ladder (so to speak), and sacrifice themselves for the betterment of their futures.
I think politicians, pundits, and opportunists use race issues to their own ends to amass power and wealth. Telling people that the system is rigged or that they are oppressed stirs up strong emotion, but doesn't focus action in constructive ways and further separates people aling racial lines. I'll admit it. Sometimes I feel defensive when I here the "white men are evil oppressors" rhetoric.
It's important to remember and celebrate eachother's culture, bur equally important to remember we are a just people. We all want a home and to be with people we love. One love, one people, to quote Bob Marley.
P. S. Cultural appropriation is B. S. If I wear corn rows and wrap (call the doctor, I've lost my mind) it's because I'm trying to steal anything frim that culture. I'm emulating because I admire it. I mean, who doesn't like Chinese food. Is eating mu-shu pork racist?
Stop playing victims. That's the biggest thing. You could go out and work hard to achieve something but a majority of blacks demand it all from us and expect us just to hand over our hardwork for something a majority of US had nothing to do with, and that happened 200+ years ago.
#1: Not enough marriages. #2: Don't focus on education enough. #3: Rich black men typically go date or marry non black women, instead of investing it into the black family to raise them up financially. #4: Listening to rap music which poisons the mind. #5: In America, it's designed to make sure blacks have limited opportunities to succeed to the top.
Their incessant complaining about slavery and demands that the government has to give them stuff. The rampancy of crime in their communities. And the reparations debate. Like no, none of them were slaves. And I don't wanna hear the "reparations for historic treatment" and "you don't get it" because if my people started demanding reparations for the past , half of Europe and middle east owes me reparations.
They have destroyed their family structure. Black males do not sacrifice for their children as they would rather spend their money on themselves. Baby Momma, Baby Daddies, rap culture, intense selfishness of black fathers are the cause.
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To many people striving to become rappers, basketball and football players and not enough striving to be doctor, lawyers or bankers. Start promoting people like Neil Degrass Tyson more than Lebron.
Schools should put emphasis on the importance of having a job to not just make money, but how to invest money once you make it so you can actually grow money. It can push a lot of people at least into financial middle class.
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I have worked with some, but not all, that they like to brag about how many babies they have to different women. How does that help the children of blacks? Also , when they get upset about something, they destroy their own neighborhoods! I can’t figure them out!
why don't Asians thrive in the NFL? - because typically they do not possess the talent for that. There are too many athletically superior blacks and Europeans for them to be competitive. Could there be a unicorn or two, especially if we gave the best ones some "Affirmative action"? Of course, but largely they are never going to be proportionally represented for the reasons stated above.
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Not an expert on this but I think it starts with weak family situations. So many children are raised in single parent families, or otherwise poor circumstances. Government policy from successive administrations appears to have made things worse.
Let's say that statistically speaking, I believe, black communities are worse in this respect than other communities. But that all communities are not immune. So it may be that all communities have suffered due to poor decision making at an administrative level and it just so happens some communities have suffered worse than others.
Very complicated situation certainly not just one or two answers but a couple of observations would be stigma , gang culture and poverty I don't know why but institutional racism seems to effect the black community more than other bame communities
@ChrisMaster69 I just know from talking to women who divorced black guys and it was selfishness and cheating. I researched it and found the same type of information. Black guys that I worked with also showed those same qualities. Nice guys, fun guys but shit fathers.
Well, 80% of the black community is at least middle class. Roughly 20% of blacks live below the poverty line as compared to 10% of whites and 15% of Hispanics. I think cultural has a lot to do with it. They don't stress education the same way whites and Asians do. Generally, more educated people make more money.
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