Why does it seem like people only care about freedom of speech when it concerns racist white people?

[SmokinAces2000]

So let me get this straight people think a racist white person is entitled to express their feelings and spread their hate on social media but when Billie Holiday sang a song telling the true events that went on down south in the 60s and so on and got harassed and censored by the government nobody was talking about the First Amendment or when N. W. A rapped about their experience and some other black men’s experiences with cops in south central LA in the 80s and 90s they were persecuted and censored as well, but nobody was talking about how their speech was being censored. I find it strange that now all of a sudden when racists are getting called out on social media platforms for saying racist and hateful things people wan’t to bring up the First Amendment and how their speech shouldn’t be censored and basically they should be able to say whatever they want without repercussions

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

White supremacists are too used to their hate speech being protected by the law. And before anyone says "well duh, all speech including hate speech is protected by the First Amendment" I said the law, not the constitution.

Back in the Jim Crow South, if you used your constitutional right to speak out against the vitriol white supremacists spit, the cops would arrest you on some frivolous charges, let you out in the dead of night when everyone was asleep and when you were walking away from the police station, a truck would pull up. The next day, someone would find you hanging from a tree.

See, back then if the police released you during the day, they were actually releasing you; if they "released" you at night, they were actually handing you over to the KKK. This is what happened to Goodman, Chaney and Schwerner back in '64.

The FBI found the bodies of 9 black lynch victims while searching for them.

[JackSmy]

@SmokinAces2000 It's total BULLSHIT, but if you are white, you are just DEFINED as "RACIST" and Freedom of speech only applies to people of color!
They call all out, and SHIT ON COPS, for doing their job, if the cop is white, but not if he/she is of color.
So no "RACISM" there!!
If a "black" man points a gun, at a cop, and the cop shoots and kills him, it is the WHITE COP'S fault, right, for not de-escalating the situation!!
REVERSE RACISM, IS STILL RACISM!!!

[SmokinAces2000]

Did Rodney King have a gun, did George Floyd have a gun, did Travon Martin have a gun. I read a story a few months back about this white guy that got pulled over by the cops, he was not compliant and he repeatedly told the officers that he had a gun next to him in the car and threatened to shoot the officers and the officers were still asking him to step out the vehicle and he wasn’t listening and the guy ended up driving away. So I ask you this: why is it that the cops didn’t shoot at a white guy that had a gun next to him and threatening to shoot them but a cop shot an unarmed black man (well actually boy) for walking away from a 7/11.

[JackSmy]

@SmokinAces2000 If you want to discuss Freedom of Speech, I am happy to do that with you!
But where the FCK did the "Gun" shit come from? If you need to "VENT ANGER" and have someone listen, and hear, that is another thing!
Don't post as one thing, and make it about another!
I am willing to openly discuss, CALMLY, anything you wish to debate! I don't know the answers, to so many things, but starting with TALKING, CALMLY, and leaving the emotion, outside, is the best way to start, and maybe fix some of these issues!

[SmokinAces2000]

You are the one that said “if a black man points a gun at a cop and the cop shoots them, it’s the cops fault” and I brought up three major instances where black men didn’t have guns it’s actually pretty rare for a black man to be pointing a gun at a cop and resulting in death and I’m not putting emotion into what I have to say everything I said was fact

[JackSmy]

@SmokinAces2000 I am not going to get into some debate with you. You are too angry, and I just don't have the time to waste to try to talk to you like a rational person.
BYE!!

[SmokinAces2000]

How do I sound angry you are clearly prejudice because you just assume that I’m angry when I’m not

[kyleelyn199723]

Freedom of speech does not mean what they say is correct. For example an unconvicted rapist can say “I want to rape somebody today” it may get flagged, but it is not illegal to say technically speaking. It is 100% wrong. The excuse of its freedom of speech does not mean it is correct to say. They deserve to get chewed up and spit out on social media if they choose to say non sense that they didn’t need to say

[OlderAndWiser]

So you are suggesting that if someone's Constitutional rights were not respected 20 or 50 years ago, we should not respect anyone else's constitutional rights now?

[SmokinAces2000]

I’m saying where were these people then when actual people trying to spread a message were censored instead of sticking up for racists on social media

[OlderAndWiser]

Most people alive today were not born fifty years ago. Most people on this site were not born 25 years ago.

[SmokinAces2000]

That doesn’t mean anything there wasn’t any national outrage when billie holiday or NWA were censored but now that some racists are getting censored people are losing their shot

[SmokinAces2000]

*shit

[OlderAndWiser]

So we should keep doing what people did fifty years ago?

[SmokinAces2000]

When did I say that

[OlderAndWiser]

You didn't say it explicitly. It is the implication of your comment. That is why I phrased my comment as a QUESTION and not as a statement.

[SmokinAces2000]

I didn’t imply anything I simply pointed out the hypocrisy of these so called patriots that fight for the first Amendment

[OlderAndWiser]

So we do some things differently than we did fifty years ago - for the better, in my opinion - and you are spinning that as a negative.

[SmokinAces2000]

Naw I’m spinning it as hypocrisy

[OlderAndWiser]

Hypocrisy would be the same person acting inconsistently. These events are too far apart; they are different people acting differently in different places and different times.

[Sargentcaptain]

'Oh yeah, you hate murder? Where were you when Jack the Ripper was a threat to the women of London?'

You get that this is precisely your 'argument'? People being censored, either by the government or by a glorified duopoly, is bad, regardless of their message. I don't care for the singer or the looney dipshit who got kicked off of Twitter, but their freedoms we're infringed and both cases are wrong.

[SmokinAces2000]

I’m saying where was the national outrage, but now that racists can’t spread their hate people now want to care about Fred of speech, this is how America operates

[Sargentcaptain]

''I’m saying where was the national outrage''

? You get that the nation isn't in shambles because one shithead got kicked off Twitter? If you wanna apply the same standard for 'national outrage' my guess is that there were plenty of people even back in the day who defended Billie Holiday. Firstly, the 'outrage' today isn't present in 9 out of 10 people in this case. What's more, the people who are 'outraged' over this shit aren't 'outraged' because of him, but because of the connotations his deplatforming has. Similar to Trump, Karl Benjamin or a number of other people, the problem is who's gonna be next. We've had sitting presidents kicked, politicians at the time running for office, just random nobodies. People, even the one's who don't want this moron banned, don't like racist and aren't fans of him, but right to speak was trampled on by unelected technocrats. I'd defend outright communists and retarded antifa idiots if someone wanted to take away their human rights, and I hate them too.

The problem is that people's rights are being taken away. Be they nazis, jews, christians, commies, ancaps or muslims, I hate them all but I'd still fight for their fundamental human rights. Ever heard 'I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it', that's the principle. This is what a truly liberal and free country is like. You can't just say 'people were shit to group a 70 years ago, so we'll punish group b today for doing things they've never even done'. The right thing to do isn't to perpetuate the injustices of yesterday, only applying the injustice to another group.

[SmokinAces2000]

I never said people should be punished I’m saying people shouldn’t be defending racist behavior being censored, free speech that someone doesn’t like is different because it still might be helping someone with the same views but racist things being said isn’t benefiting anyone nor is it beneficial to society and it’s not helping anyone in fact it’s detrimental to society so I believe that if you are actually sticking up for a racist being censored you are probably also a racist

[Sargentcaptain]

You don't support freedom of speech if you don't support it for the views you don't like. That is textbook authoritarian fascism. Yeah, racists are pieces of shit, yeah I support their fundamental human rights. There's a world of difference between supporting racists and supporting their human rights. The entire reason why I support the right to free speech for people like Fuentes is because I support the right to free speech for black nationalists as well. You can't have a topic that you aren't allowed to discuss or worldviews that you're made a criminal for expressing. I hate pedos, but if some pedo wrote a book about how raping kids is fine, I'd still hate his guts, but I would still want that book to be uncensored and published, and he should not be punished merely for expressing his beliefs for that is not a crime. Speech that offends you is not something that is a criminal offense, less you live in a fascist shithole.

[SmokinAces2000]

People have the right to freedom of speech not racism I don’t see racism as speech I see it as hatefulness in the form of words and there is absolutely no reason why it should be protected under the first amendment

[Sargentcaptain]

"People have the right to freedom of speech not racism"

The first amendment begs to differ.

People can read/write/publish Mein Kampf and manifestos of mass murderers. That's free speech.

So you don't see free speech as important when it's about ideas you don't like. In other words you wanna take away someone's human rights. Can you think of any other group that want to do similar things?

[SmokinAces2000]

Racists will live if they can’t get their racism on social media racism has no business being protected under free speech. Death threats aren’t protected under free speech so why should racism be

[Sargentcaptain]

'Racists will live if they can’t get their racism on social media"

And if racists don't get their civil liberties trampled on, the people they're racist against will live too, and no one's rights are gonna be taken away. This point is utterly stupid.

"racism has no business being protected under free speech."

The founding fathers say otherwise, Voltaire and other shinning examples of liberalists say otherwise. You can't just sweep ideas you don't like under a rug and pretend that they aren't there anymore. You can't just take away someone's human rights because their ideas hurt your fee fees.

"Death threats aren’t protected under free speech"

This is a shit point because there are people who think they should be protected, though I'm not gonna argue that point because I think they shouldn't be protected.

''so why should racism be"

Firstly, death threats are pretty obvious. 'Hate speech' isn't. Should Count Dankula have been incarcerated for making a joke? Should Sargon of Akkad have been banned from several platforms because he was actually fighting against racists? An issue here is where do you draw the line in what is and is not racist.
There's never a time where death threats were a major political issue, not the case with racism. Silencing a political opponent is nothing short of tyranny.
Whether or not I agree with the message of the person is irrelevant, I am against people's rights being taken away for merely hurting someone's oh so precious feelings. Again, if there's a pedo saying that pedophilia isn't wrong, I want him jailed for his acts, not his words because thought crime and victimless crimes are not crimes at all. There are major differences between calls for action to hurt other people and someone merely expressing their worldviews.

[JackSmy]

@SmokinAces2000 WHO is going to decide, what is "RACIST"? Seems like CENSORSHIP to me! Definitely contrary to the FIRST AMENDMENT!

[Avicenna]

If you have to reach 30-plus (NWA) and 80-plus years (Holliday) back to find examples, your case isn't very strong. How come you didn't mention Lenny Bruce's 1964 conviction for obscenity? He wasn't black, after all.
Anyway, the speech you referred to on the part of whites is constitutionally protected, as were the songs by NWA and Holliday.

[SmokinAces2000]

I’m making a point it shouldn’t matter how far back it was or wasn’t

[Avicenna]

You came up with two examples. That's hardly overwhelming evidence. But that misses the real point, which is that speech by whites you don't like is still constitutionally protected. And it isn't as if whites have some monopoly on racism or racist remarks.

[SmokinAces2000]

Firstly you missed my point clearly and second I never said only white people can be racist I simply used racist white people as an example

[Avicenna]

No, your point came through quite clearly- your point was that blacks get censored while racist whites don't.

[SmokinAces2000]

Yeah pretty much

[Avicenna]

And that’s why I pointed out that it was ridiculous that you went back so far for evidence. And you failed to note the censorship currently going on in social media. But that would probably eviscerate your already-weak claims.

And again, you’ve totally missed the overarching point-a lot of speech you don’t like is constitutionally protected. But to put the shoe on the other foot, Louis Farrakhan is undeniably racist, do you think he should be censored completely?

[SmokinAces2000]

😂 you still aren’t getting it lol it’s not about when it happened it’s the fact that the reaction wasn’t the same it doesn’t matter how far I go back the reality is there was outrage when these people got censored but as soon as some racists are banned it’s a problem

[Avicenna]

Sorry, but it's you who clearly doesn't get it. You're looking at this from a black racial grievance perspective, further evidenced by you ignoring my question about a well-known black racist in Farrakhan.

You've conflated two unlike things from vastly different eras, and you've also ignored an example of when someone who wasn't black wasn't just censored, but actually convicted for things he said. Furthermore, I wouldn't assume that no one had a problem with what was done to Holliday, even at the time.

And, one more time, I'll remind you that racists still have the right under the First Amendment to say racist things, much as we dislike it.

[Anpu23]

I have always defended freedom of speech. Especially speech I don't agree with. I would much rather the rot be out in the open where we can all see it for what it is.

[TommyMountainFigure]

Laws then were different to laws today. If you think a law is wrong as it is now, then fight to get it changed. That is how democracy works.

[FunkyMonkee]

So, it's perfectly okay for there to be racist black people?
Just so you know, MOST white people are NOT racist!!!

[kyleelyn199723]

There is no incentive to this user saying anyone has a right to be racist. I didn’t get that out of this. Even I say fuck the police when they pull me over. I am white

[SmokinAces2000]

When did I say either of those things

[kyleelyn199723]

You said that he insisted black people have a right to be racist when no where did he write that. Interesting how out of all the things he said, you got that out of it.

[kyleelyn199723]

Sorry I am literally so tired, I thought you were the person of this comment when you are the person of the question 😭 I am so sorry

[SmokinAces2000]

kyleelyn199723 it’s fine lol

[grega239]

I did hear about nwa having some trouble and they shouldn't have been targeted. But as far as i know nothing happened in the legal sense.

Yes even hateful bigots can say what they like.

[OddBeMe]

Yes, all true. And racist white people should have the same 1st amendment rights as all the rappers do now.

[SmokinAces2000]

If you aren’t a racist why would you want racism protected under the first amendment of the constitution of the country that you seem to love so much

[OddBeMe]

Should we take away racist’s free speech? You’re such a moron..,

[SmokinAces2000]

Racism has no benefit on society or any value in society I don’t even see racism as speech it’s just hate in the form of words

[OddBeMe]

The reason racists have free speech, is the reason you free speech. Didn’t they teach you anything in school?

[SmokinAces2000]

Look free speech is great and all but I just don’t see why anyone would want racism to be protected under free speech I think it’s dumb to give racists a platform but i do see where you are coming from though

[OddBeMe]

Then I’m glad you’re not in charge of the 1st amendment. Rights are only ensured if they are provided to everyone. Racists should be given their soapbox and then mocked mercilessly. Which is one of the only reasons I come here.

[SmokinAces2000]

Well I can agree with you there I do like to shit on racists

[OddBeMe]

It’s the paradox of freedom. The NYT can publish what they want because Infowars can publish what they want. Unless they lie incessantly about a company.

[JesseJayNeak]

What about racist black people? Does the media care when they say something racist about white people or others?

[SmokinAces2000]

I wasn’t talking about racist Black people that wasn’t the topic of conversation

[JesseJayNeak]

So what?

[SmokinAces2000]

So what is that, that’s all you got from that a damn shame

[JesseJayNeak]

So, it's cool to trash white people all time?

[SmokinAces2000]

So it’s cool to bring up an entirely different point on a question that has nothing to do with what you are saying. Don’t comment on questions that I post if you aren’t going to bring anything to the table how are you going to argue a separate point that has nothing to do with the initial question

[JesseJayNeak]

You're the one bringing up racism and racist questions

[JesseJayNeak]

So, yeah. It's completely relevant since you're trashing white people

[SmokinAces2000]

It wasn’t a racist question 😂 notice how I said “racist” white people I never said all white people were racist so I don’t know wtf you are talking about you just don’t want to answer the question and that’s clear

[JesseJayNeak]

Yes, it is. You're generalizing white people. You didn't write some nor this type. No! You wrote white people

[JesseJayNeak]

Your inconsistency shows every time

[SmokinAces2000]

Maybe you should take another look at the title buddy

[JesseJayNeak]

It says "when it concerns racist white people". Racist white people, not "some" racist white people, not "these types" of racist white people. The title says racist white people. That's assuming all white people are racist

[SmokinAces2000]

I didn’t need to put some “racist” is a category on its own if I felt like all white people are racist I would have simply put “white people” obviously people know not all white people are racist just like not everyone from any race is racist. You are just trying to find a problem and if that’s what you have to do instead of saying something relevant then you shouldn’t be replying on questions buddy

[JesseJayNeak]

Look who's talking. Coming from the guy that said that only way for black people to improve is to be the government's bitch

[SmokinAces2000]

You said that not me, your problem is Instead of listening you assume, all you do is assume assume assume, every question that I post and you reply all I hear is assume assume assume

[JesseJayNeak]

So, you saying that you want black to have reparations was an assumption?

[JesseJayNeak]

Or did you ACTUALLY say that?

[SmokinAces2000]

What was an assumption is you saying I want black people to be the governments bitch. You are older than me and you are acting this immature I don’t have the energy to fight stupidity 24/7

[JesseJayNeak]

Because that's what you said. And that's what a bitch does: ask for money on a regular basis

[JackSmy]

@SmokinAces2000 So racism is only about White people then?
Dude, your arguments are just biased, emotional, ANGRY shit!!!

[SmokinAces2000]

JackSmy tf are you talking about

[JackSmy]

@SmokinAces2000 Dude, you are just falling apart here! STOP DIGGING!! Just let this go! Your idea of arguments are baseless, and crap, THE WAY YOU PRESENT them, and like I said, you are arguing from passion, and ANGER, and not reason!
It's PAINFUL, for me to read these links, and watch @JesseJayNeak take your responses apart.
Dude, please, just throw in the towel, and accept it.

[SmokinAces2000]

Still don’t know wtf you are talking about buddy

[JackSmy]

@SmokinAces2000 Dude, I just don't want to waste anymore time on you, and your BS. Piss off!

[SmokinAces2000]

JackSmy yeah okay buddy do you

[cloud9vortex1234]

I care about protecting everybodies freedom of speech.

[Anonymous]

Did you speak out against it back then?

[SmokinAces2000]

I wasn’t alive back than but that just goes to show you how this country operates

[Opinion Owner]

How many years do you need to go back? Are you just looking for misery in your life?

[SmokinAces2000]

Nope 😄 my life is pretty good but thanks for the concern, I’m just pointing out the hypocrisy

[Opinion Owner]

Yes, they should have posted it on Facebook back then.

[SmokinAces2000]

Haha 🙄 I obviously know that social media wasn’t a thing back then but what I’m saying is there wasn’t any national outrage about them being censored but now everyone is mad about racists getting censored and it’s bullshit

[KrakenAttackin]

Look another "victim"!! 😂😂😂😂

[SmokinAces2000]

Look another ignorant person on here that insults someone instead of facing the question 😂😂😂😂

[KrakenAttackin]

That's because your question is bullshit. Black "free speech" is comprised of looting, shooting, raping, robbing, murdering, and rioting.

[SmokinAces2000]

Oh really that’s news too me because I never robbed, looted, or shot someone and neither has any of my family so your generalization is baseless

[KrakenAttackin]

@SmokinAces2000. Turn on the news sparky.

[SmokinAces2000]

Oh so the news is bullshit when it’s something about republicans or something that Trump has done but when the news covers your narrative that’s when you want to go off of MSM 😂

[KrakenAttackin]

The news cuts black violence soooooo much slack it's not funny. Chicago had 88+ shooting last weekend. In Atlanta we had a black guy who stole a pickup, crashed it into a golf course. Three white guys ran over to help and the black guy shoots all three of them, killing all. Had races been reversed this would be national news and cities would burn. So STFU.

[SmokinAces2000]

Yeah riiight you can’t pick and choose what you listen to the news about if you don’t trust the media you don’t trust it you just listen to the news when it fits your narrative

[KrakenAttackin]

@SmokinAces2000. Your people are violent to their core. Until you can face facts you will always be "victims"

[KrakenAttackin]

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[SmokinAces2000]

So would you consider yourself a racist

[KrakenAttackin]

@SmokinAces2000. Yeah, everyone who doesn't condone black anarchy is racist.

[SmokinAces2000]

No you generalizing a whole race makes you a racist and you are just trying to rationalize your racism by saying that all Black people act a certain way which is racists in its self

[KrakenAttackin]

@SmokinAces2000. Eat shit. Come back to me when your race if criminals can go more than 24 hours without committing murder.

[SmokinAces2000]

Riiight is that why statistically most serial killers are white men. And white people commit the most white collar crime (I guess I see where the name came from 😂) also white men commit the most pedophilia. So maybe you should focus on your races crime instead of ignoring it so you can be racist online

[KrakenAttackin]

@SmokinAces2000. Just stop. Black men make up less than 6% of the population but commit more than 50% of the murders. Without blacks the U. S. would literally have the murder rate of Belgium... FACT.

[SmokinAces2000]

And your ancestors are the ones that brought us over here FACT

[KrakenAttackin]

Your ancestors were sold to us by your other ancestors. FACT.

[SmokinAces2000]

Most of them did that to protect themselves from your ancestors FACT

[KrakenAttackin]

@SmokinAces2000. Now you are getting thin. Blacks sold other blacks onto slavery for PROFIT, pure and simple.

[SmokinAces2000]

Yeah I’m sure some of them did but a lot of them were saving their own ass and not to mention the ones that did do it for profit didn’t know how severe it was going to be

[KrakenAttackin]

Bullshit. Until blacks accept their own races culpability in slavery they will never move forward from perpetual victimhood.

[SmokinAces2000]

It’s funny how republicans talk about black victim hood you guys play the victim far more than Black people do “ oh the media is out to get me, we don’t have any power, democrats censor everything” that’s what y’all sound like

[KrakenAttackin]

@SmokinAces2000. Are you kidding? Being a victim is the only skill the black community has.

[SmokinAces2000]

And the republican community as well