Do you think the Feminist movement will fracture into different factions?

[t-8900]

More and more women who were or still are feminists seem to be speaking out against a trend of a group of feminists spouting open Misandry against men on social media. These include #KillAllMen #MenAreUseless #MenAreObsolete

Yes

No

It already has

Not Sure

There are only Feminists and None Feminists

[MCheetah]

No it won't, because feminists ONLY care about themselves and their movement, not actual suffering in society, which is still currently happening 9 times more to men. They've never anted "equality," only to get rich and to give themselves power.

So there is only two things that'll happen: Either the less-evil feminists will shut up and do what they're told like always, or they're stop being feminists and the remaining feminists will continue as usual. Feminism won't "split" into different factions because they have the same goal: Whine their way into positions of power and wealth, using the Pussy Pass and destroying all men in the process.

[ItsTheNephilim]

It has already been this way. In some places at different points of time, feminists worked for empowering females, like getting female rights to vote, at other places and different points of times, it is about getting more opportunities or reservations in jobs and education and now, in the West, you have women empowerment in the name of twerking half assed naked booties on Instragram and as you mentioned, hating on all men, talking about killing all men etc etc. There are still those who have different aims and work differently.

[t-8900]

Let's hope the rational ones keep them in line

[VanillaSalt]

Their not though. The more fringe people are today the better represented they become… you see it is laws, the media, anonymity, society, behavior, relationships… everywhere.

Men like me that work a lot and don’t generally have time to date don’t see the quality women. We only see the angle… The pushed point… the part they want us to see…

In jest I told a woman the other day women need aPR manager… then I realized that’s completely the case! Men already of substance are interacting with both sides and understand somewhat how it is but others growing into themselves will not see this other side made of substance. Depending the division leading to less quality amongst the sexes.

Ps too lazy to fix the punctuation so fuck it.

[Smashingdoozy]

In every group there are people who believe different things. Some people believe really shitty things but that doesn't make the entire group bad people not does it change the meaning of the group. Feminism originally is about equality, dismantling the patriarchy because it negatively affects women AND men.

[t-8900]

Do you believe we should replace it with matriarchy or gender neutral society?

[Smashingdoozy]

I suppose neutral, no one gender is more superior than the other. We just are people. Of course there's still going to be men in power and women in power but more out of their own interests to do that not "because they're a man and they're supposed to"

[t-8900]

You know I agree with you. Trying to do everything I was told to do is toxic for my life. Maybe for some men it's more gratifying to climb a corporate ladder and make loads of money. I want to dedicate more time to a mate and children. We don't really have the need anymore to have to go out and stop lions and bears and raging marauders. Why not just enjoy the future and the present as it is? Stress kills and dedicating my life to a career only would be depressing and stressful

[Smashingdoozy]

Yes exactly. I'm a firm believer in doing something you love. If you can comfortably live off a job that you genuinely enjoy doing I don't see the need to work your ass off, risk your sanity to make more money just because. Unfortunately with the state of the world that isn't possible for a lot of people but hopefully that will change eventually so everyone can just be happier.

[t-8900]

I have said before that people should be working on livable salary working 34 hours a week. Parents should both be entitled to 6 months maternity leave and 1 money paid vacation every year. Not to be lazy but to actually enjoy their lives and be with the ones they love. I hate how corporatized we've become. It's sickening! Americans work more than anywhere else on earth and the healthcare and public school systems still suck

[t-8900]

1 month paid vacation

[VanillaSalt]

I don’t agree though. The basic idea of feminisms not bad. It’s a strong argument but then again so is marriage. The idea may be beautiful but the truth is something ugly and violent… you always hear hatred for men from feminists. Not all feminists hate men but all women that hate men are feminists. And many of the points that are pushed are solely for the benefit of women without a thought and sometimes even at the cost of men. Furthermore women enjoy a special place within society today that men are not welcome or equal in… fighting for gender rights for instance. Fighting for women’s rights is beautiful and empowering but fighting for men’s rights is oppression and tyranny.

As a man I have a hard time surrendering more equality to women when they already have it easier then I do and aren’t held to the same difficult and cruel standards.

I’m down for discussion if you come at me with an argument rather than disrespect…

[Smashingdoozy]

What points that are pushed are only beneficial for women?

Fighting for men's rights isn't oppression and tyranny. Never has been. Saying "what about men's rights" while in a discussion about women's rights is just plain disrespectful.

[VanillaSalt]

When someone is afforded special privilege but demands more usually at the cost of someone else… we consider that distasteful.

[Smashingdoozy]

Like?

[yofuknutz]

^^^^ listen you're going to serve some bullshit at least give us a doggy bag and some baby wipes while you're at it

[MzAsh]

It depends on what you consider feminism. The faction that challenges traditional gender roles is strong in generation z. Hold on to your boot straps and soap boxes, boomers!

[t-8900]

I don't mind feminism on it's own. I just think we have too many extremists across the board going beyond trying to make a better life for all. Like you have red pullers that turn black pill for instance

[Anonymous]

It already has, feminism is a joke today, they say to love and to have equality but why do men and guys get shat on? Girls today don't know what they want, they are misguided. I tend to notice the girls or people in general who state they want ultimate freedom and no restrictions tend to be the most ignorant and or self-absorbed people. I know this post will garner dislikes but how am I wrong? Think about it, women say they want freedom and they want to be heard but what women fail to realize is society tends to nurture and care for women who are hurt. If you see a guy crying for example, will society back him up? Usually not, he will be viewed as weak. White girls who want to talk about liberation will then turn to a Muslim girl and say "talk off your hijab". When you can simplify life into lets say 5 categories (faith/spirituality, health, knowledge, this life/next life, good vs evil) it makes things easier. When you try to define life but in 100 categories it makes life more difficult. Hence why I think feminists are lost. I once had a female TA in university lash out because I did not cite a female scholar correctly on an essay and she assumed I'm sexist. Sooooo if women hate men assuming, what right does a feminist have the right to assume either? Ohhhh the irony man, the irony and the hypocrisy. If girls have this pompous, bitchy persona about them that they assume I just want to chase them for pussy? Well, joke is on you ladies, I'm still a virgin, I declined girls who wanted to have sex. No, I am not gay, I just want to find the right girl to marry one day, I have old school/traditional values when it comes to relationships and life. Now some girl is gong to read this and want to give me a piece of her mind but realize that the reply button to this post is off. But a girl who's a hardcore feminist will think ohhhh "soo you want your wife to be a house slave and cook and clean for you" and now you asker (me) are being a hypocrite by assuming. See, it doesn't feel good when others assume is it? I was proving a point.

[PenkWing]

The feminist movement is already more complex than it sounds. There are different movements, regional movements, different strategies, different academic backgrounds, different political positions in relationship to related issues (queer rights, trans inclusion, capitalism, poverty, etc). It's not about the nasty feminists and the good feminists. The examples that you collected in your post are online personalities, not feminist activists; and their positions don't represent any branch of feminism that I'm aware of.

One more reason not to trust what you see online: there is a lot of trolling. There are fake "feminist" posts made by anti-feminists to make feminism look bad and evil. The whole idea of SJWs is born out of these trolling attempts. Be the smarter person and learn that if something posted online sounds outraging, it's probably made to outrage you. Do you know actual feminist organizations around you? E. g. people who work at women's shelters, or women's collectives, or so. They are likely very, very different from what you see in online public spaces and social media.

[FatherJack]

There is still a strong , central leadership cadre that gives the orders , Gloria Steinem is still the default top leader , past next level down leaders include Andrea Dworkin , enough said !! Feminism has been deliberately hijacked from the original Women's Lib , which rightly challenged the old order. The extremists ended up as the leadership , and feminism is well funded & legally backed... and why , it is another tool used by those REALLY in power to cause more division , hatred & distrust , feminism is now entirely a sub-branch of deliberately corrosive Cultural Marxism , ONLY a hard left viewpoint is accepted. Rank and file feminists never call out their misandrist leaders , the silence is deafening.

[ronaldo75]

It already is. Notice how White Feminists have to jump in an invent some victim shit whenever too many black and brown women are getting oppressions points and attention around them?

Also feminism didn't end women's tendency to hate other women. It's been known for centuries that women only really band together when it's to defeat a man who's harming them. If you take away the male villian away from any group of women they implode and start attacking each other.

[t-8900]

thats accurate af though

[Jackblue]

Nope the entire political left is held together by a hatred for white men, their hatred is great enough that it survives regardless of how different their opinions are everything else, they love gays yet are content to see them persecuted, they hate capitalism yet praise the female/POC businessperson, conservative Muslims hate abortion yet sell their souls to the political left, they hate domestic violence yet when a white women speaks of rape by a Man of color she is exercising her privilege and if a woman or child or color does so he/she is sending another man of color to prison.

[t-8900]

you forgot hatred for family units, marriage, and babies too. But not all, don't get me wrong. Just the vocal assholes that dont represent anyone or anything but the dollar.

[Anonymous]

You think it doesn’t already have a million faction already?


There also the feminists that insist “every woman’s feminism is her own”, basically it’s do whatever you want and call it feminism. So that already brings feminism to as many feminists as there are.

[t-8900]

As of this wasn't already confusing enough

[sunshineglow]

#dontkillallmen, I want to get married, love and be loved 👩‍❤️‍👨💞

[t-8900]

That's what I like to hear! Love triumphs hate!

[sunshineglow]

Yay 😁

[VanillaSalt]

So how would you respond to find out most of the male population don’t trust you? Not saying they don’t just asking how you’d respond to men not trusting you.

[sunshineglow]

@VanillaSalt lol dear you will get not better than such "feminists" who stir anger and distrust around, if you provocate with such questions too. :P

[FatherJack]

@t-8900 Very well funded hate at that !

[t-8900]

@FatherJack the ones who still have their souls intact didn't buy into that hate and they're the only ones worth dating. If she starts throwing temper/shouting you way she's not the one.

[VanillaSalt]

I’m well aware that if I choose not to be what most women want then I’ll be alone but then if I chose to be I’m risking these shot women coming in and ducking my life up… seems like a shitty deal either way.

[t-8900]

True. It's hard these days

[sunshineglow]

@VanillaSalt how about searching and in the end finding the person who likes and wants who YOU are, not searching between those who want something you can't or don't want to give, whatever you are talking about and whatever it is that you think that "majority" wants? Calmer life, if you don't generalise and don't put yourself into abstract generalisations. :)

[VanillaSalt]

I’m not… I specifically put a disclaimer on my comment. You didn’t answer the question at all so let’s try again the same as what if you woke up and red was considered blue what if you woke up and most men no longer trusted your gender?

[sunshineglow]

@VanillaSalt like I've said,... What does it have to do with me personally? I know who I am, and that I am trustworthy, why should I take such propaganda to heart - unless I think it's true and applies to me too? :)

[VanillaSalt]

So assuming your married or have a boyfriend losing their trust wouldn’t effect you because you know your trustworthy… that seems very selfish and uncaring. Proving my point exactly… because women don’t care they can’t care. They won’t put in the effort because again… it don’t affect them. And that’s the fault of feminism, society, and women’s over inflated egos.

[sunshineglow]

@VanillaSalt that is one very stupid assumption. You said majority of population, not MY loved one. MY loved one shall not lose my trust. Stop gaslighting and stop using fake and obvious RHETORICAL TRICKS! If you have some problem with women, I wish you have it healed! But don't go around poisoning people with your toxic views! You are danger yourself too when you are doing that!

[VanillaSalt]

No you over simplified my question and failed to consider if it was the people most important to you that stopped trusting you like it’s impossible… don’t blame me for your lack of insight.

[sunshineglow]

@VanillaSalt what lack of insight, you are a joke.
Quote :VanillaSalt
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"So how would you respond to find out most of the male population"... (MOST OF THE MALE PoPuLaTiOn) "... don’t trust you? Not saying they don’t just asking how you’d respond to men not trusting you."

You're some troller, I'm not going to respond to you anymore. Get serious, resolve your issues and don't poison people with your own hate on internet. Because that is basically what it is. Maybe you got hurt before by a woman or women, so did I by male (s), but that doesn't justify your toxicity. You have to work on yourself, overcome it, heal this trauma. Not go around and bash on entire genders.

[VanillaSalt]

The answer I was expecting to hear was something close to… if they were important then ide work hard to regain their trust. I was hoping that god also say god work hard to show others That you are worth trusting of for no other reason for the sake of cooperation… I expected to hear that you didn’t care wether people that you don’t think matter trust you or not… ironically the fact you didn’t even consider that possibility says a lot too…

But here’s where you get angry and instead of apologizing for getting upset over a misunderstanding you blame me and either talk shit or leave the conversation.

Your overly emotional, you lack the humility and accountability to admit you misunderstood with class, and your quick to blame others… it don’t matter who I am, what I’m like, or how I think… these points are facts…

[VanillaSalt]

Called it.

[yofuknutz]

Someday people going to get fed up with all the drama

[sunshineglow]

@yofuknutz thank you, he's such a joke and douche

[yofuknutz]

I know politics is a strange bedfellow all I want to do is go to bed with somebody not have strange bedfellows

[t-8900]

@yofuknutz thats why I vote for who I vote for but to everyone around me I'm "Apolitical". I'll still argue in favor of the side I actually support but I dont need the say i'm party affiliated because then you get nuts ranting like lunatics about it LOL

[yofuknutz]

Well I'm a Libertarian non state Peter kropotkin socialist so yeah nobody can understand

[t-8900]

I'm a dark lord of the sith, only needs understand me

[t-8900]

Nerds

[yofuknutz]

^^^^ the Sith were exterminated pushed all the way out past the outer ring of the Galaxy so what is past the outer rim can anyone tell us can you tell me what lies past should we explore or should we stay in a comfortable bubble

[t-8900]

We grew stronger while you rested in your cradle of power. And now... finally... we have returned. And you shall watch your Republic... Fall

[Anonymous]

It has - no one hates women more than other women.

A misogynist is a man who treats women almost as badly as other women treat women.

They will continue to give each other shit advice, hide behind fake smiles, steal each others romantic partners and bitch about other women behind their backs.

[yofuknutz]

You know this is elephant in the room it's almost like hazard pay or something

[whirled_up_girl]

I used to think of myself as a feminist but as I matured I realized I'm actually an equalist.

[whirled_up_girl]

I guess I didn't really answer the question but I voted I don't know.

[t-8900]

That's something!

[VertigoJ]

Sorry, are you under the impression that feminism is a new concept? This happened long ago, as it happens to all other philosophical ideals. Look at Christianity if you want a really good example. Valerie Solonas went hardcore back in the 50s, others didn't. Germain Greere has never advocated gelding men. The foundation principally remains the same, but, if it's not about equality, it's not being done right.

[NathanDavis]

you are asking this as if feminists used to be all the same and under the same ideology... this has never been the case

you can't just fracture something that was never ever put together as a whole

[t-8900]

I probably don't understand the history well enough because everywhere I've been researching has said that it's the different "waves" or generations that are split up. Maybe with clarification from the mature feminists we men who are ignorant to the movement can really better understand it.

[NathanDavis]

I don't think is wise either... to make a differentiation and label them as "mature feminists"

lol

[t-8900]

Misandrists are not mature people brother. Just like racists and misogynists are not mature people either.

[NathanDavis]

again... it's subjective... it only takes one different idea, for both groups to call each other the ones in the wrong... and the immature

different women have different issues, different ideas, they have lead different lives and have had different experiences, there's also different backgrounds, upbringings, cultures and more...

so no, is not wise to pick just one group and say "these are the mature ones" and all others are not

[t-8900]

I think those who hate and are not willing to have dialogue aren't mature. Your mileage my vary

[NathanDavis]

"your mileage my vary" I have no idea what that means, but...

another piece of advice

if you declare yourself an ignorant, and actually want to learn about feminism... maybe you should forget about the most extreme and pointless takes of extremist feminism...

instead of wasting your time with those, you should actually try to learn about their fair causes and points, the actual problems that are affecting them and that they're trying to solve or to get ahead from

asking a true feminist to justify or explain what other extremist feminist people do is just a waste of time

my point is very simple, if you want to be a -positive-... then focus on the helpful and the reasonable, don't entertain the extremist nonsense... that will get you nowhere

[BeenThereLovedIt]

I don't think feminists even know what's going on with their movement. It's been hijacked by the mainstream media - They now dictate what is and isn't offensive to women and what they stand for.

[Anonymous]

Such slogans as killallmen come from damaged zealots, not mainstream women that you'd actual like to meet in a mainstream society.
It is likely that they produce such material to get attention, influence, push a brand, and garner resources and money for their cause. It's a business model.
As far as I can see, normal women do have grievances about the society we live in, and about men themselves (they always had), but also have male members in their families and friends that they love.

[Anonymous]

In that one video that women keeps talking about “alphas and betas”. While I do believe there are varying degrees of aggressiveness and passiveness in human beings. I also believe that we are all MUCH more complicated that “alphas” and “betas”. It’s one thing if young guys make those quick assumptions but it’s 1000x worse when a woman does it. Much worse.

[t-8900]

Being alphas and betas isn't the end of the world. I'm learning to accept it for what it is.

[Opinion Owner]

No man including myself wants to be labeled a “beta”. Yes I’ve definitely had beta moments in my life but I’ve also been alpha in others.

It should be an adjective to describe a specific action or event. But using it as a end all be all “noun” is just an excuse to bully people.

[Opinion Owner]

I’ll give you one perfect example: mma legend Georges St Pierre.

A bet you that most women (who believe in labels) would consider him a “beta” if they met him at party or club and don’t know about his background. He’s not the loudmouth jackass at the table. He won’t pick fights and will try to avoid them on the street. But when the rubber hits the road he can and will rip your head off if he had no other choice. But again since he’s nice and mild mannered he would get an unfair “beta” label.

We got to get away from that labeling system.

[t-8900]

Being on obnoxious and loud doesn't default to alpha behavior it shows a lack of maturity and self control. If you listen to what she said she didn't mean it in a bad way

[Opinion Owner]

Oh I know. But she is still using the flat out labels. I don’t have a problem with context of her message. But using labels is dangerous. An evil man will take the “alpha” comment as a huge compliment. A good man will take the “beta” comment as a huge insult no matter how much she’s praises him other wise. Women need to stay the hell away from that.

[t-8900]

fair enough sir I will give you that. I dont think she realized tbh.

[Opinion Owner]

Most women don’t. But they have conditioned guys to be extra sensitive about commenting on their looks. The vast majority of men would never outright tell a woman she’s fat, ugly and/or old unprovoked. Even if it was provoked it’s still a “no go” zone. Even if she asks “have I gained weight” we are not supposed to be honest if she has.

How a woman handles the man’s ego should be treated the same. But it’s s double standard women get to enjoy by not caring. If they did understand this then they would better understand why the friendzone is so insulting.

[t-8900]

well i simply wouldn't attack someone for the way they look. In many cases not even their character. I would just walk away tbh. I try to have more class than that.

[Opinion Owner]

In the same way. But I’ve had women blurt out nasty things (old female roommate said I must get “shoved in the friéndzone” a lot). She said it out of nowhere, unprovoked and in front of her attractive friend.

I just wanted to punch her fat face at the time Ironically she ended being the one who always got friéndzoned and she was jealous of a girlfriend I got a year later.

[DeeDeeDeVour]

They'll claim that they're fighting for the same causes and rights but they'll refuse to join one another. It's become a competition as to who is more popular or who's bigger.

[BCRanger10]

Feminism is already fractured. That's been one of my main criticisms over the last few years. There's no unity of intent or command.

[t-8900]

maybe the difference groups should just come up with different names lol. That or openly push out the misandrists because that was never supposed to be the intent of the movement and not why most women joined it.

[VDrago14]

As with any faction it's already been split into various sub groups that vary on their beliefs and how things should be.

[hahahmm]

If a feminists says another feminists is wrong... it's like the Taliban saying they don't like ISIS. And then a week later Taliban leaders & ISIS leaders are having a family cookout together.

[andreasderjuengere]

It's more a hobby or a habit than a ''movement''.
It's also very local - in my part of the world women are self confident, normal, and accepted.

[Mofunfour20]

It doesn't matter. Women always will value a mans self respect. When you have it, your strength looks even more powerful