Let's hope the rational ones keep them in line
Their not though. The more fringe people are today the better represented they become… you see it is laws, the media, anonymity, society, behavior, relationships… everywhere. Men like me that work a lot and don’t generally have time to date don’t see the quality women. We only see the angle… The pushed point… the part they want us to see…In jest I told a woman the other day women need aPR manager… then I realized that’s completely the case! Men already of substance are interacting with both sides and understand somewhat how it is but others growing into themselves will not see this other side made of substance. Depending the division leading to less quality amongst the sexes. Ps too lazy to fix the punctuation so fuck it.
Do you believe we should replace it with matriarchy or gender neutral society?
I suppose neutral, no one gender is more superior than the other. We just are people. Of course there's still going to be men in power and women in power but more out of their own interests to do that not "because they're a man and they're supposed to"
You know I agree with you. Trying to do everything I was told to do is toxic for my life. Maybe for some men it's more gratifying to climb a corporate ladder and make loads of money. I want to dedicate more time to a mate and children. We don't really have the need anymore to have to go out and stop lions and bears and raging marauders. Why not just enjoy the future and the present as it is? Stress kills and dedicating my life to a career only would be depressing and stressful
Yes exactly. I'm a firm believer in doing something you love. If you can comfortably live off a job that you genuinely enjoy doing I don't see the need to work your ass off, risk your sanity to make more money just because. Unfortunately with the state of the world that isn't possible for a lot of people but hopefully that will change eventually so everyone can just be happier.
I have said before that people should be working on livable salary working 34 hours a week. Parents should both be entitled to 6 months maternity leave and 1 money paid vacation every year. Not to be lazy but to actually enjoy their lives and be with the ones they love. I hate how corporatized we've become. It's sickening! Americans work more than anywhere else on earth and the healthcare and public school systems still suck
1 month paid vacation
I don’t agree though. The basic idea of feminisms not bad. It’s a strong argument but then again so is marriage. The idea may be beautiful but the truth is something ugly and violent… you always hear hatred for men from feminists. Not all feminists hate men but all women that hate men are feminists. And many of the points that are pushed are solely for the benefit of women without a thought and sometimes even at the cost of men. Furthermore women enjoy a special place within society today that men are not welcome or equal in… fighting for gender rights for instance. Fighting for women’s rights is beautiful and empowering but fighting for men’s rights is oppression and tyranny. As a man I have a hard time surrendering more equality to women when they already have it easier then I do and aren’t held to the same difficult and cruel standards.I’m down for discussion if you come at me with an argument rather than disrespect…
What points that are pushed are only beneficial for women?Fighting for men's rights isn't oppression and tyranny. Never has been. Saying "what about men's rights" while in a discussion about women's rights is just plain disrespectful.
When someone is afforded special privilege but demands more usually at the cost of someone else… we consider that distasteful.
^^^^ listen you're going to serve some bullshit at least give us a doggy bag and some baby wipes while you're at it
I don't mind feminism on it's own. I just think we have too many extremists across the board going beyond trying to make a better life for all. Like you have red pullers that turn black pill for instance
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you forgot hatred for family units, marriage, and babies too. But not all, don't get me wrong. Just the vocal assholes that dont represent anyone or anything but the dollar.
thats accurate af though
As of this wasn't already confusing enough
That's what I like to hear! Love triumphs hate!
So how would you respond to find out most of the male population don’t trust you? Not saying they don’t just asking how you’d respond to men not trusting you.
@VanillaSalt lol dear you will get not better than such "feminists" who stir anger and distrust around, if you provocate with such questions too. :P
@t-8900 Very well funded hate at that !
@FatherJack the ones who still have their souls intact didn't buy into that hate and they're the only ones worth dating. If she starts throwing temper/shouting you way she's not the one.
I’m well aware that if I choose not to be what most women want then I’ll be alone but then if I chose to be I’m risking these shot women coming in and ducking my life up… seems like a shitty deal either way.
True. It's hard these days
@VanillaSalt how about searching and in the end finding the person who likes and wants who YOU are, not searching between those who want something you can't or don't want to give, whatever you are talking about and whatever it is that you think that "majority" wants? Calmer life, if you don't generalise and don't put yourself into abstract generalisations. :)
I’m not… I specifically put a disclaimer on my comment. You didn’t answer the question at all so let’s try again the same as what if you woke up and red was considered blue what if you woke up and most men no longer trusted your gender?
@VanillaSalt like I've said,... What does it have to do with me personally? I know who I am, and that I am trustworthy, why should I take such propaganda to heart - unless I think it's true and applies to me too? :)
So assuming your married or have a boyfriend losing their trust wouldn’t effect you because you know your trustworthy… that seems very selfish and uncaring. Proving my point exactly… because women don’t care they can’t care. They won’t put in the effort because again… it don’t affect them. And that’s the fault of feminism, society, and women’s over inflated egos.
@VanillaSalt that is one very stupid assumption. You said majority of population, not MY loved one. MY loved one shall not lose my trust. Stop gaslighting and stop using fake and obvious RHETORICAL TRICKS! If you have some problem with women, I wish you have it healed! But don't go around poisoning people with your toxic views! You are danger yourself too when you are doing that!
No you over simplified my question and failed to consider if it was the people most important to you that stopped trusting you like it’s impossible… don’t blame me for your lack of insight.
@VanillaSalt what lack of insight, you are a joke.Quote :VanillaSalt1 d"So how would you respond to find out most of the male population"... (MOST OF THE MALE PoPuLaTiOn) "... don’t trust you? Not saying they don’t just asking how you’d respond to men not trusting you."You're some troller, I'm not going to respond to you anymore. Get serious, resolve your issues and don't poison people with your own hate on internet. Because that is basically what it is. Maybe you got hurt before by a woman or women, so did I by male (s), but that doesn't justify your toxicity. You have to work on yourself, overcome it, heal this trauma. Not go around and bash on entire genders.
The answer I was expecting to hear was something close to… if they were important then ide work hard to regain their trust. I was hoping that god also say god work hard to show others That you are worth trusting of for no other reason for the sake of cooperation… I expected to hear that you didn’t care wether people that you don’t think matter trust you or not… ironically the fact you didn’t even consider that possibility says a lot too… But here’s where you get angry and instead of apologizing for getting upset over a misunderstanding you blame me and either talk shit or leave the conversation. Your overly emotional, you lack the humility and accountability to admit you misunderstood with class, and your quick to blame others… it don’t matter who I am, what I’m like, or how I think… these points are facts…
Someday people going to get fed up with all the drama
@yofuknutz thank you, he's such a joke and douche
I know politics is a strange bedfellow all I want to do is go to bed with somebody not have strange bedfellows
@yofuknutz thats why I vote for who I vote for but to everyone around me I'm "Apolitical". I'll still argue in favor of the side I actually support but I dont need the say i'm party affiliated because then you get nuts ranting like lunatics about it LOL
Well I'm a Libertarian non state Peter kropotkin socialist so yeah nobody can understand
I'm a dark lord of the sith, only needs understand me
^^^^ the Sith were exterminated pushed all the way out past the outer ring of the Galaxy so what is past the outer rim can anyone tell us can you tell me what lies past should we explore or should we stay in a comfortable bubble
We grew stronger while you rested in your cradle of power. And now... finally... we have returned. And you shall watch your Republic... Fall
You know this is elephant in the room it's almost like hazard pay or something
Being alphas and betas isn't the end of the world. I'm learning to accept it for what it is.
No man including myself wants to be labeled a “beta”. Yes I’ve definitely had beta moments in my life but I’ve also been alpha in others. It should be an adjective to describe a specific action or event. But using it as a end all be all “noun” is just an excuse to bully people.
I’ll give you one perfect example: mma legend Georges St Pierre. A bet you that most women (who believe in labels) would consider him a “beta” if they met him at party or club and don’t know about his background. He’s not the loudmouth jackass at the table. He won’t pick fights and will try to avoid them on the street. But when the rubber hits the road he can and will rip your head off if he had no other choice. But again since he’s nice and mild mannered he would get an unfair “beta” label. We got to get away from that labeling system.
Being on obnoxious and loud doesn't default to alpha behavior it shows a lack of maturity and self control. If you listen to what she said she didn't mean it in a bad way
Oh I know. But she is still using the flat out labels. I don’t have a problem with context of her message. But using labels is dangerous. An evil man will take the “alpha” comment as a huge compliment. A good man will take the “beta” comment as a huge insult no matter how much she’s praises him other wise. Women need to stay the hell away from that.
fair enough sir I will give you that. I dont think she realized tbh.
Most women don’t. But they have conditioned guys to be extra sensitive about commenting on their looks. The vast majority of men would never outright tell a woman she’s fat, ugly and/or old unprovoked. Even if it was provoked it’s still a “no go” zone. Even if she asks “have I gained weight” we are not supposed to be honest if she has. How a woman handles the man’s ego should be treated the same. But it’s s double standard women get to enjoy by not caring. If they did understand this then they would better understand why the friendzone is so insulting.
well i simply wouldn't attack someone for the way they look. In many cases not even their character. I would just walk away tbh. I try to have more class than that.
In the same way. But I’ve had women blurt out nasty things (old female roommate said I must get “shoved in the friéndzone” a lot). She said it out of nowhere, unprovoked and in front of her attractive friend. I just wanted to punch her fat face at the time Ironically she ended being the one who always got friéndzoned and she was jealous of a girlfriend I got a year later.
I guess I didn't really answer the question but I voted I don't know.
I probably don't understand the history well enough because everywhere I've been researching has said that it's the different "waves" or generations that are split up. Maybe with clarification from the mature feminists we men who are ignorant to the movement can really better understand it.
I don't think is wise either... to make a differentiation and label them as "mature feminists" lol
Misandrists are not mature people brother. Just like racists and misogynists are not mature people either.
again... it's subjective... it only takes one different idea, for both groups to call each other the ones in the wrong... and the immaturedifferent women have different issues, different ideas, they have lead different lives and have had different experiences, there's also different backgrounds, upbringings, cultures and more...so no, is not wise to pick just one group and say "these are the mature ones" and all others are not
I think those who hate and are not willing to have dialogue aren't mature. Your mileage my vary
"your mileage my vary" I have no idea what that means, but...another piece of adviceif you declare yourself an ignorant, and actually want to learn about feminism... maybe you should forget about the most extreme and pointless takes of extremist feminism...instead of wasting your time with those, you should actually try to learn about their fair causes and points, the actual problems that are affecting them and that they're trying to solve or to get ahead fromasking a true feminist to justify or explain what other extremist feminist people do is just a waste of timemy point is very simple, if you want to be a -positive-... then focus on the helpful and the reasonable, don't entertain the extremist nonsense... that will get you nowhere
its hard to do for a man when the first thing he's greeted by is
That's like telling me it's hard for me to read a book or search the internet because I might get raped. Come on now.
Sorry, I should say "that's like me telling you"...
no picture you trying to have an open dialogue with someone to start with and the first thing you hear are roars at you with no idea wtf is going on lol. Yeah its a turn off and the message will tend to get lost in that.
You don't need to hear any 'roars' to read a book, dude. Weird response.
You don't get it. That's how the movement was presented to me so I took zero interest before. Only when people were nice and treated me with respect was I willing to learn
I don't have to "get it". If someone wants to to make assertions about the feminist movement, then it is incumbent upon THEM to be educated in what they are chiming in on. Women are not the arbiters of this education. Just as I don't need to speak to a vegan to know what veganism is - I can read a book about it, or research the history of veganism - you don't need to speak to any feminists to understand the history of feminism. So making excuses that "it's hard to do" is total BS.
maybe the difference groups should just come up with different names lol. That or openly push out the misandrists because that was never supposed to be the intent of the movement and not why most women joined it.
What makes you say that?
How I've seen them emasculate them
Isn't that damaged women doing that with their own psychological issues?
As Dave Barry said about the Left as far back as 1968 “It’s basically like 253 different factions giving each other the finger through clouds of tear gas.”
Wow that's so brutal lol 😆
Dave has a good sense of humor. And he is a liberal 😊.
thanks for your input. Would you say you're a feminist? and if so which wave most resonates with your views on it?
I am but not so as most feminists would recognise i'm for equality not punishment
Not sure if you remember but a long time ago we had an argument about this before we resolved the issue and started following each other. You might not remember it but at the time I assumed you were all man haters. I've studied up a lot since then (still have waaaay too much to learn still) and I just wanted to say I'm genuinely sorry for the way I behaved.
It's all good i'm no man hater and we resolved our issues so no problem here