"Who wants to cave to piece of shit like Howard Stern (or Jimmy Kimmel or these repulsive doctors refusing to treat the unvaccinated or Bette Midler or, or, or…) Who wants to feel like they’re caving to a guy who’s such a piece of shit he publicly mocks people who have died. And he’s not just a piece of shit mocking them; he’s a piece of shit hurting the families the dead men left behind." https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2021/09/10/nolte-howard-stern-proves-democrats-want-unvaccinated-trump-voters-dead/
Yes! The left is being totally divisive by telling people who are putting themselves and others at risk that they are putting themselves and others at risk!
That's ridiculous
That's Breitbart (but I repeat myself)
Yes, the left should shun the vaccine, to convince people to take life-protecting injections
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"he’s not just a piece of shit mocking them; he’s a piece of shit hurting the families the dead men left behind"
Do you know who else was "a piece of shit hurting the families the dead men left behind"?
"Robert Enyart (January 10, 1959 – September 12, 2021) was an American conservative talk radio host... Enyart opposed vaccinations and mask mandates for COVID-19. He died of COVID-19 on September 12, 2021. "
But the left is divisive.
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"He would gleefully read obituaries of AIDS sufferers while cranking "Another One Bites the Dust" by Queen, whose lead singer, Freddie Mercury, succumbed to the malady. "Listen to the words of the song and you'll understand why I did it," he told us at the time, as if his motives were somehow puzzling." www.westword.com/.../bob-enyart-denver-pastor-catches-covid-12233423
Do you believe the Left are pushing vaccinations, just so that Trump supporters will refuse them and die?
You know, I want everyone to get vaccinated so 1) they live and their families don't have to mourn them, and 2) they don't infect others or otherwise drag-down the medical system like what is happening in places like Alaska and Idaho where they are now rationing health care.
But, part of me, really does want them to not be vaccinated! Let evolution take its course and they die. Even if they already have children, this is a Darwin Award-winning move and they will no longer "infect" people with their odious and/or stupid beliefs like racism or QAnon.
1. If vaccinations were great protection, then just get yourself vaccinated and the unvaccinated can't put you at risk.
2. The American people have good reasons to not trust our government with the information it chooses to release regarding pubic health issues. The crisis is a result of government mismanagement of the information flow and not the stupidity of the American people.
1. Vaccines are great protection. . . but not really.
2. Everyone is manipulating statistics to prove whatever they want to prove. If someone is hospitalized for something totally unrelated, and is asymptomatic but tests positive for COVID-19, it is called a covid admission.
My proposed solution is to allow Alex Jones and Ben Shapiro to re-brand a vaccine (in a self-administrable form, maybe a suppository?) and sell it for $50 a time.
Vaccine are for people who have weak immune systems. Most Trump supporters are healthy so that won’t work. On top of that we are self aware and understand that trusting a government that puts message and GMO’s on you food does not have the best interest for its people. Vaccines take yeas to make and exception the vaccine only for government officials is a bit suspicious. Plus the Pfizer founder will not take the shot himself and to top it off you still get sick of you take it and add a cheery, they will expect people to take the shot every 6 to 8 months every year😎 That sounds like an agenda to me.
"Most Trump supporters are healthy so that won’t work." LMAO. You know Trump has had the vaccine, and so have all the Fox News liars? Pfizer was established in 1849, the founder's been dead for 70 years or more.
"Swimmer who won gold at Tokyo Olympics says she's hospitalized with COVID-19" www.cbsnews.com/.../
Well my point is who cares if people choose to take it or not. Does it really matter. 25,000 people die of starvation a day. 1,000,000 kids go missing around the world a year. Cigarette, Cancer, car crashes and so forth mortalities all year around don’t get the attention like this vaccine enforcement.
Yes, it does matter, because the more people who are infected, the more people die, and the higher the chance of an even worse variant. Neither of these things are good.
6 million smokers and about 2.5 million drinkers are an exceptional deaths to you in a year right. Why not take these off the market too. I like you logic👌
People who smoke or drink too much (or drive badly) are encouraged not to. At least the former two generally only affect the person who made the choice.
I like your last sentence “made the choice “ just like people who don’t want to take the vaccine. Listen I wish everyone good health. But this mandate should be a choice. It’s about respect for the people who have the antibodies who don’t need the vaccine and choose a traditional route by having their immune system do all the fighting like biology intended it to do.
The thrust of the sentence was somewhat different from that, but regardless, is there no mechanism for proof of recovery in the US? The "EU Digital COVID Certificate" has it.
ec.europa.eu/.../eu-digital-covid-certificate_en "An EU Digital COVID Certificate is a digital proof that a person has either * been vaccinated against COVID-19 * received a negative test result or * recovered from COVID-19" (Test results are obviously time-limited; 72 hours for PCR, 48 for antigen.)
Frankly, if you've already got immunity, your system should shrug off the jab anyway.
That would be awesome if that worked that way. The world would be a much better place if all the Republican's were gone from this world. Unfortunately, the stupid morons that are Republican's, refuse to take a safe vaccine that has the backing of the WHO and CDC, then transmit the virus to others. Republican's have killed more kids then most dictators and 3rd world revolutions.
Trumpists are refusing them. And when the virus gets to infect more people it has more opportunities to mutate into new strains that vaccines are less effective against.
It's like following through on antibiotics at the population level and when you let your body be a breeding ground for new strains, it's everybody's business.
The majority of people who are currently not getting vaccinated in the United States are living in close proximity of one another in the inner cities across the country. Yet the national media only seems to be fascinated with and focused on the people living in the middle of nowhere who aren't vaccinated.
It's not a poverty thing. The vaccinations are free. It's an "overall mistrust of government" thing that's existed for generations. Here's New York City as an example:
The overall fully vaccinated number in the City is pretty good (62%), but when you break it down in the citywide chart, you see that Asian/Pacific Islanders (76%) are far outpacing African Americans (38%). Caucasians and Hispanic/Latinos are both right around 50%, which are both below the national average in those demographics. Chicago and Los Angeles have similar numbers.
That's one city, and two you claim have similar numbers. On the other hand, we have Florida that is lying about its numbers (supposedly fewer than 400 people die a week, but the number of dead increases by 2,500 every week).
That's one city? New York City is the biggest city in the country! A population 8.5 million people living in close proximity, and that's just the "city proper". It doesn't count the entire major metropolitan area around the city, which is easily double that number. Chicago and Los Angeles are the next largest cities in the country, and their demographic tables tell the story of a similar problem.
Florida lied? You mean the same way Andrew Cuomo lied about New York state Covid numbers as he crammed Covid patients into nursing homes like sardines for 18 months? Kathy Hochul had to release the real numbers after Handy Andy resigned following his ongoing female body research study. The results of that study have yet to be released.
You're right, the vaccination numbers for black people are lagging behind in NY, I was wrong to minimise it. The numbers in LA are similar, so it's probably not that they feel they have large numbers of case recoveries from the first wave, which was a possibility I considered. They are currently getting vaccinated, though, unless the six point difference between one shot and fully vaccinated is all from people not bothering to turn up for their second shot.
There are many states where they're only just into the 40%+ range total fully vaccinated, which is clearly worse.
Despite patchy vaccinations, the death rate in NY state is 37 a day, compared to 350 a day in Florida who are lying, present tense, about the number of people dying in the state. (Yes, if you like, like Cuomo did, ages ago, but you've gone overboard with your "18 months" - he'd still be doing it if that were the case.)
How do I know it's 350 a day in Florida? Because I look at their weekly reports and subtract the number of deaths from the previous week from the number now.
Why do I have to do that? Because Florida trickles out their death numbers so that the official seven day average is just 24 a day, from a peak of 340 a day at the beginning of the month. No way is that valid, and their own figures show it's bullshit.
Check it out yourself, their weekly death reports are at the link below. Their front page numbers of deaths for the week are in the hundreds ("provisional and subject to change" - no kidding!), but compare any two weeks and you'll see differences in total deaths in Florida (Florida residents only, by the way) are up to nearly 2,500. That's nearly 12 deaths weekly per 100,000 population, far higher than any of their neighbouring states, and a hell of a lot more than the 0.8 they're pretending.
The pandemic started in earnest in March 2020. Andrew Cuomo resigned in August 2021. Kathy Hochul released corrected New York state Covid numbers in August 2021. That's 17 months, and close enough to my aforementioned 18 month estimation.
There is not an increase of 2,500 dying per week in Florida as you mentioned in you second comment. In 18 months (March 2020 to September 2021, or 78 weeks) that would be a total of 195,000 dead, which is highly inaccurate. The total number of dead in Florida is actually 48,772, or just over 625 per week, or just over 89 a day, averaged over the entire pandemic.
These are the statistics for Florida and New York, according to the 2020 census and the CDC numbers supplied to Yahoo News:
Population (2020): Florida: 21,538,187 New York: 20,201,249
Covid cases (early September 2021): Florida 3,452,700 New York 2,340,950
Covid deaths (early September 2021): Florida 48,772 New York 54,672
With a similar sized population, Florida has more Covid cases with less restrictions than New York, but also has less Covid deaths than New York. Those are the numbers and facts. Anything or anyone else that states otherwise is spreading conjecture, agenda, and/or propaganda.
Firstly, you said "... the same way Andrew Cuomo lied about New York state Covid numbers as he crammed Covid patients into nursing homes like sardines for 18 months?", which clearly implies 18 months of cramming, not lying. (And it's not like anyone believed him; all the trackers and the federal government took them into account months ago, if not over a year.)
Secondly I didn't say Florida had had 2,500 deaths a week since the beginning of the pandemic, I said those were today's figures, and showed you how to check their official figures and how the figures of around 400 have been bogus for weeks now. September 17th: official total is 51,240 (supposedly "383" deaths that week). Sep. 10th: 48,772 ("353"), Sep. 3rd 46,324 ("433"), etc.
If you honestly want to compare how Florida and New York are doing today, look at when the deaths happened. Half of the deaths in New York were before 11 May 2020, half of the deaths in Florida have been this year. So, we've known since May or June 2020 how to protect against the virus (including, yes, not putting patients into nursing homes) and had vaccines for nearly nine months, and still Florida has had more people dying in a week than the total died in NY since mid May.
Florida's totals will almost certainly overtake New York in the next few weeks, if they haven't already.
Which is worse, understating the total number that died in the first few months of the pandemic, or wildly understating what's happening right now?
Cuomo crammed, lied, fondled, AND wrote a book on the taxpayers' time (so dollars) all at once. He wasn't performing just one transgression at a time. Handy Andy was/is good at multitasking.
No one believed Cuomo? Gee, that's funny, because he was the liberal media's darling for a long, long time, and the CDC didn't correct New York state's numbers until Kathy Hochul released the corrected Covid statistics in August 2021.
Unless more people living in the inner city areas of New York City (and surrounding metropolitan areas) get themselves vaccinated, New York state isn't going to pass Florida anytime soon. Especially with the national media continuing to be more interested in telling the general public about rural people living far apart from one another not getting vaccinated.
I'm vaccinated, and I'm tired of talking into the wind about this issue that most liberals seem content to ignore. Whatever. It is what it is.
NY has been reporting the correct numbers to the CDC since April 2020, even while they were making their numbers look better on state websites. There was no big adjustment in CDC numbers on Aug 25th.
Florida's death count will almost certainly overtake New York's in the next couple of weeks, despite all their attempts to pretend otherwise. Just like Mississippi and Louisiana already did in terms of deaths per million population. It's what happens when death rates are so uneven.
Florida has nearly ten times as many people dying every day as New York, as many in a week as NY had in the last four months, and they're only a few thousand deaths behind. I expect you're upset that you'll lose a talking point. I'm upset that most of the last 25,000 or more deaths in Florida were preventable.
Maybe you could try addressing my points and not just making stuff up.
Mississippi and Louisiana combined, as STATES, have a population of just over 7,625,000 people. That's still less than the entire population of New York City. Perfect example on people focusing on people living in the middle of nowhere instead of the inner cities across the country.
Even though you can't force compliance, people should be getting vaccinated and preventing death, whether they're in Florida, Louisiana, Mississippi, New York or wherever. I never stated otherwise. However, the liberal national media frequently covers one story, and frequently ignores the other story. Yet it's the cities that are far more densely populated, with far more unvaccinated people living in close proximity of one another.
Again, I'm vaccinated and tired of talking into the wind about this problem. Just because you can't force compliance on people doesn't mean it's okay to ignore more than half of the issue at hand.
That's probably wise, since I already addressed what you "feel" is important for some reason: Pointing out that two rural states that are far larger than New York City area-wise, but have approximately 950,000 less people. Carry on.
And they now both have higher numbers of deaths from covid per capita than New York over the course of the pandemic. This is a fact. Do you acknowledge that it is a fact?
Mississippi, today, has roughly the same number of deaths a day as New York, despite its vastly smaller population. This is a fact. Do you acknowledge that it is a fact?
Florida, today, has nearly ten times as many deaths a day as New York, despite having roughly the same population. This is a fact. Do you acknowledge that it is a fact?
People should be getting vaccinated regardless, but who's more more of a health hazard to the general public? 200 unvaccinated people living over 200 square miles? Or 50 unvaccinated people living over 1 square mile? Or one block? Or one building?
The answer to your question is that I don't know. If everybody around them is vaccinated, is a small hold-out population a serious risk? If the 200 spread out people avoid the virus, what happens when individuals visit the big city and interact with other people?
What is sure is that ignoring the problem and avoiding vaccinations leads to higher rates of death.
It's possible that some Leftists are doing this, but everyone needs to do their research and make the right decision REGARDLESS of who is "pushing" or "warning against" this experimental drug. Even the most conservative Constitutionalist will never convince me that this stuff is safe
I suppose if both news commentators on TruNews (Rick Wiles and Doc Burkheart) agreed that one of them was safe (and actually effective), then I might be convinced. But I know that will never happen
I'm just waiting for the aftermath: Alt-right's demise, years of elected democrats, and a lot of cry babies with dead conservative family members, and regrets. Should be very entertaining to see what they will say in a few years.
That’s stupid, Trump supporters are making the choice to refuse the vaccine, I don’t like the fact that they are pushing it so heavily either and I’m not getting it but I’m not making conspiracy theories about it
What are they up to? Vaccine "passports" (which, at least around here include recent tests and proof of recovery) simply allow you in to places with many people.
It's not like a record of when you last went to church, or gave to charity, is it?
Vaccine passports by themselves are abhorrent, like: "show me your papers so you can participate in society sir" abhorrent.
Fuck that.
It can only get worse from there. Governments are malicious, devious villains by default & almost never have our best interests in mind. They will do ANYTHING to use the public as they please in furtherance of the megalomania of government officials.
ALL of my medical history is private (as is my right) & attempts to establish a medical apartheid will only make me more spiteful.
I will NEVER take this vaccine, my trust has been broken. Covid is not a threat, it will endlessly mutate and we're going to have to learn to live with it like the common cold.
I'm sure you adjusted for poverty, etc. It's not racist to point it out, as long as you want to find out why or try to improve the situation and not blame them without a good reason.
I'd like to see links for that, but it would come under the heading of Trump lackey, anyway.
Basically, if Fauci (veteran career expert in the field for decades) said it was safe, OK. If Atlas (out of his field of radiology, Trump yes-man) said it, no.
Yeah, one people aren't talking about: that when you let 39% more people get infected with the delta variant over a given time frame your giving it millions of new opportunities to mutate into another variant while we develop a vaccine specific for the delta variant. Any political commentator saying that?
@Ad_Quid_Orator yes, plenty of people who know what they’re talking about are bringing up that these substandard shots are encouraging variants. They’re also talking about the risk of ADE from these shots, and how effective Ivermecin is. Not the people you’ve been listening to about this disease, however. They’re pushing for vaccine mandates.
Vaccines will make vaccine resistant variants a larger percentage of the variants just like antibiotics make antibiotic resistant bacteria compromise a greater percentage of all infections BUT just like you'll have less people dying of bacterial infections if you have antibiotics, you also have less people dying of coronavirus if more people are vaccinated.
But do you now how you have your cake and eat it to when it comes to antibiotics and infections? Follow through on the antibiotic treatment to deny the bacteria an opportunity to mutate into a resistant strain. Similarly, you prevent vaccine resistant variants from arising by getting everyone vaccinated, minimizing the opportunities it has to mutate into new variants. How do you do this? By mandating the vaccine so a bunch of self-centered cuckservatives and libtards don't screw it up for everyone else.
@Ad_Quid_Orator Do you know how you’ll never get people to do things? Demand that they do it. One day you dipshits will learn. Our government also could have send out Ivermectin/Zinc&quercitin/Vitamin D packs and we’d have been done with this in a couple of weeks. But instead you dingbats walk around with diapers on your face.
Did that correspond to a decrease in deaths? Because if so then the most likely cause for that correlation is because people will do less testing for covid-19 if it's less prevalent.
Comorbidities? You mean like heart attacks (which having a respiratory infection increases the likelihood of getting 15 fold) or a lung infection that they just so happened to get when their lung tissue was damaged by a virus?
Or are you just going to knit pick some kind of clerical fluke that could happen at any time?
But before covid we've known that if you have a respiratory infection, you're 15 times as likely to get a heart attack so it's a pretty fair assumption that if they didn't have covid they would have gotten that heart attack anyway -_-
Unless you can show an increase in deaths due to suicide, drug use and domestic abuse that can account for the increased mortality rate, it probably isn't.
Because the number of suicides in 2020 was ~47,000 while the yearly average is ~53,000.
Maybe he's realised how poisonous talk radio shock jocks are. I feel the same about "reality" TV, where they manufacture drama and make it seem normal.
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