Florida is manipulating its covid death numbers!

[goaded]

The CDC site shows Florida had 361 deaths over the last seven days, which means their state shows up a pretty light blue compared to the dark blue in all the states around it. Success! Right?

Pretty light blue Florida!

Wrong.

The total deaths in Florida on September 17th https://archive.is/7qefa is 50,811, but a week earlier, on 10th September https://archive.is/jPBIb, it was 48,273 - a difference of 2,538. A week earlier https://archive.is/s0oLS, it was 45,909,- a difference of 2,364.

It's a simple trick. They just don't report most of the deaths until after a week has passed, so the average of the preceding seven days' reports is always nice and low, then "correct" them later.

Use the real number, and you get nearly 12 deaths per 100,000 population over the week, which is literally off the scale (the darkest blue only goes up to 10.9, and Texas and the other states are at about 7).

No anonymous opinions, please. Own your comments!

[RolandCuthbert]

I always think about banning anonymous comments too. But I don't think it matters. Most folks will never "own' their comments". That's why they come here. To say crap they would never say in public.

As for Florida, we all know DeSantis was manipulating the data long before this. But unlike Cuomo. . . he never faced the music. Because the American Taliban only believes in accountability for others and never for itself. They will use intimidation, threats and violence to stop people from voicing disagreement or telling the truth.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/01/18/957914495/data-scientist-rebekah-jones-facing-arrest-turns-herself-in-to-florida-authoriti

Rebekah Jones, the data scientist who helped create Florida's COVID-19 dashboard, has turned herself in to police, in response to an arrest warrant issued by the state.

Jones is charged with one count of "offenses against users of computers, computer systems, computer networks and electronic devices," the Florida Department of Law Enforcement said in a statement Monday.

Jones has said she lost her job after refusing requests to manipulate data to suggest Florida was ready to ease coronavirus restrictions. Jones says she's being punished for continuing to speak out about how Gov. Ron DeSantis is handling COVID-19, citing her arrest and a raid on her home last month.

[goaded]

It's just so blatent, what they're doing and how they're doing it. 350 deaths a day in a population of 20 million; that's worse than New York at any time since mid-May 2020, when there were no vaccines, there hadn't been 18 months of research into treatment and mitigation strategies. So unnecessary.

There will be a new report out in a few hours, it will be interesting to see what it says. I'll be very surprised if it's fewer than 2,500 deaths in the last week.

The Biden administration is looking at ways to prosecute states for forcing schools not to mandate masks. (My instant idea when they started that was to say they should make them part of the dress code, which they are allowed to mandate. I was delighted to see someone else had the same idea. www.nbcnews.com/.../texas-school-district-makes-masks-part-dress-code-get-around-n1277040 )

[goaded]

It's 2,468.

ww11.doh.state.fl.us/.../

[goaded]

"Only" 2,340, this week.

[goaded]

Things are either improving slowly (this week's total for Florida was 1,719, 245 a day), or they're scared of overtaking New York's total. Total in Florida: 55,299, New York: 55,974.

I hope they're improving, but how can you trust a state's government that pretends only 170 Floridians died last week?

[msc545]

The governor of Florida is well-known for manipulating statistics and for outright lying about them in regard to covid

[goaded]

Of course, DeathSantis.

I should have said where the picture comes from: covid.cdc.gov/.../#cases_deathsper100klast7days The next highest is Louisiana, at 8.7.

[BlacklightShade]

An awesome way to delay response time when acting quickly should be the best action.

[goaded]

I'm sorry, I'm not sure what you mean?

[BlacklightShade]

I am being sarcastic. Choosing to publish data in that way means it's released later than it would be otherwise. That means any reactions based on rising hotspots are delayed that much more.

[goaded]

Right. It's not like the authorities don't know what's happening, they just don't care and they want people to think they're safe (or that it's safe to visit).

[Tanhoaon]

They just show a fact that people are really dead by Covid-19. They don’t amplify the number, especially, two years are enough to see the actual results of death from Covid-19. The number was amplified to apply for political purpose. That’s why we have a conflict. That’s why we still have an argument. This is a politicalized comment about Florida way to resolve the Covid-19, so don’t avoid political issue here.

[goaded]

Having a little stalk, are we? C:

As it happens, when this take was posted almost exactly a year ago Florida death count was 50,811, it's now over 80,861 (they're still reporting just a fraction of the deaths in the last week).

That's 30,000 deaths in a state of 20 million people, when masks, testing and vaccines have been available for well over a year. In comparison, New York (same population) lost 14,000. That's 16,000 unnecessary deaths in Florida.

[Tanhoaon]

Just wonder who I am trying to argue, and find more things I want to argue to avoid misleading for people later. Here it is.

My answer clearly challenge your data. And your answer doesn’t answer what I am arguing. Please see the question again. You just copy the original idea of your post.

But fairly now, I will focus on misleading of your data.

Masks, testing and vaccines have been available. First of all, who propose its usefulness? Which states applying it more than the rest of the states when everything is still not settled and received more support? Not Florida. Do you want to me pull those old data? It’s data.

[Tanhoaon]

I am not glad for a death or a political game because Covid-19 is a political game but the death is real. Nothing is for me to laugh about it, but honestly New York is one of the most states proposed mask, testing and vaccine the most. New York is still one of the highest state having a testing rate and dead rate, while Florida is not, you can say “that Florida is this, is that hiding the data”, but leftists ignore the other curing methods (don’t know why), without counter-production, they just simply refuse them at that time.

Florida applied it (like exercising, gyming, eat a healthy and appropriate food), hate or not, it worked and later proven by those political doctor scientists in CDC, when couple years ago, they didn’t propose it. Also, in the beginning, leftist scientists in CDC ignored restricting over-calculate the actual value about real death from Covid-19. Because if it’s not for political purpose, they didn’t need to over-count. Those estimating value so far freaked out people and were abused it for political purpose later. I don’t want to pull too far out this topic about the election. Just mention consequences we already know. Conclusively, causes the lower value death of Florida, NOT “HIDING.” Stop exchanging and use confusing words or you probably used it for purpose (like lying.)

[Tanhoaon]

You claimed from comment with someone else that Florida didn’t count non-residence. First fault, you used a wrong word if I don’t want to say you misunderstood what were you misleading. If Florida’s data is hidden, how can you/ someone/ or the news know the exact thing of not counting non-residence when you claimed or support claims that Florida is “lying”, “manipulating”, “hiding” their data. This missing value could be from any community, which leading to that exact conclusion. If you already know it is what it is, it’s not a lie or hiding.
Second fault, how much people are staying as non-residence in Florida at that time? Even counting or not, there is nothing to prove the death of state immigrants, who mostly is non-residence, visitors or exchange students live less than 1 year living in Florida, can not be able to cause dramatically change even you “kill” all those non-residence at one time to compare with New York, those number can not mislead the actual data for sure. It’s not hard to find a major data if you find people immigrating to Florida in 2019.

The most sadly, even people hate Florida, say Florida is not that safe, this safe, they keep moving to live in here, even those celebrities.

[goaded]

If you're going to make factually incorrect claims like "New York is still one of the highest state having a testing rate and dead rate, while Florida is not" (death rate in NY is half that of Florida at the moment), you're not worth arguing with. Show me a link that backs up your claim. www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

How can you not understand that leaving out the deaths of people who die in Florida who aren't residents of Florida is going to artifically lower their death numbers?

How can you not see that reporting, for example, 32 deaths in the week from 24-31 December 2021, but the total number of deaths was 62,504 at the end of the week and 62,342 at the beginning is manipulating the numbers by delaying reporting deaths? (That wasn't just that week, it's every week for well over a year now.)

[Tanhoaon]

Because you said that, I am not excited for the one trying to exchange words, mislead data and misunderstand the basic arguing skills.

Every evidence, data will come to a conclusion even it’s misleading or not. If we say like you, so every misleading information or conclusion are bad, is not worthy for arguing. The whole point of debate and argument is we based on the facts and proving the other conclusions not more correct than yours, or at least, not correct. For example, I will put my place as Republicans, I say all Democrats are evils. It’s obviously wrong even for the most real conservative people. However, instead of thinking over, I put myself in a place that I don’t want to argue because they are wrong, I am right, that’s obvious, they are not worthy. What you just do, you can not basically argue the other facts wrong logically. You point the fact that were countered by Democrats and send me a link instead of translating to your words, you can’t even point the main idea for argument and that’s so disappointed. For sure, I can encounter it again, but it wastes my words, we do have a link to encounter that again if what we do is just sending a link. Your masks are out. And I am done. People now know how argument works, how you are arguing actually. You only can debate with who don’t have time and those don’t understand how you try to make a reason and run away.

If someone should say, it’s me, not your turn when you even can not reply wisely and focus even on my first counter evidence. You don’t even have skills to read and perceive what the others say. For sure, it’s not hard to understand. My first comment is very short before you makes me analyzing your data shit.

That’s my last replication. I left.

[goaded]

I'm happy to discuss or argue things with people who use facts.

[strateguy632]

just kuz someone has the flu when they die does not mean the flu killed them. same for covid deaths.

[goaded]

This is a couple of years old, but they're still doing the same trick: 201 Floridians died in the last two weeks, but the "number of deaths" in the last week was supposedly 29.

[Kaneki05]

I heard Florida is really nice this time of the year. One week later oh... Nvm lol.
Thought tbh why was it doing fine a week earlier?

[goaded]

Heh. Did I mention they're only reporting Florida residents' deaths? Nobody else counts.

[Agape93]

I know

[goaded]

I only noticed this when I looked at www.worldometers.info/.../#graph-deaths-daily - the graph dropped off unnaturally in the most recent week, unlike every other state I looked at, so I looked at the archived copies of the page and saw it was the same pattern every week.

It doesn't come as much of a surprise.

[acooke-13]

I thought the entire world was?

[goaded]

I don't think anywhere else has produced months of weekly reports showing thousands more deaths since the previous report, but only tens of deaths deaths during the week.

[acooke-13]

England's figures are wrong, they've said more have died from Covid than there actually have.

[goaded]

Are you sure about that? Where did you get that information?

[acooke-13]

@goaded on every BBC breaking news show on the TV it says along the bottom that they aren't accurate. They also admitted that if someone dies and they tested positive 28 days ago or earlier, that it will go down as Covid, no matter what the actual cause of death is (even if you've been hit by a bus)

[goaded]

Uh, the UK's counting system is odd, but since it also doesn't count people who survive 4 weeks after their positive test. It's hard to say if it evens out or not. By October, there had been over 126,000 excess deaths compared to previous years, which is within a couple of percent of the covid death count at that time, and the difference could very easily be because of people not dying of other reasons because of restrictions.

[goaded]

Oh, it's deaths less than 28 days after a positive test, and I've not seen any such disclaimer on BBC News.