Good cop bad cop truth and lies. It's just like two parties watching the same thing but they said in different words just to try to keep us confused so they can keep doing what they are doing if you notice one thing there's 540 or 80 something elected offices in the United States there's three parties none of them get along is what project to us but not one of them there's to stand up to be great they're all in this shit together and the only time that they stand up to become bold is what it comes time to be re-elected and then they make promises with big corporations to do little favors for them to get that money to be re-elected and once they get reelected they start their fund for their next re-election it's disgusting how not one of them will stand up and dare to be great not a single one of them and why should they have to because we allow it that's why keep us all confused and go along like a little sheep and I guess that's our choice because we do not do anything about it
I think much of fhe time it begins withem knowing it is lies.
But at some point theu get so sucked into their own lies they even concince themselves of it... and that is the point where it becomes dangerous; for a man who believes his own lies may as well be telling his own truth... and that makes them believable, very believable to the point where ordanarialily inteligent people could come to trust them.
This by the way is a recipie for the beginings of facisim. It's slow, gradual and before you realise what has happened it's too late to turn back. You don't have to look far into history to see this pattern.
Fake news and gradual stifling of open, free speech; the ability to listen to opinions that differ from your own, and think about, consider them; the ability to allow your mind to be changed based on genuine fact and the skill of being able decypher truth from myth... these are all things we should all be exremely conserned about right now.
Responding to a couple of your comments about it being "both sides", that attitude only helps this shift to fascism that you pointed out. For both sides to be equivalent, they'd have to be roughly equal.
Protests for justice are not the same as attacking the Capitol. Damaging property is not the same as mass murder or shooting police. Calling policies supported by 60, 70, 80% of the voting population "socialist" is not the same as opposing policies supported by a small minority (and not even, afaics, calling them "fascist").
One or two Representatives standing up in congress to point out that long lines (which were there for all to see) in Ohio, or voter purges in Georgia, probably affected the results of the election in that state, in the knowledge that the objection would be noted but insufficient grounds to overturn the election is not the same as hundreds of Reps claiming fair elections were stolen in many states without an ounce of evidence.
It took years for the mainstream media to start calling Trump's lies, lies, and there was a heavy feeling that "all politicians lie", so whatever.
There's also the implicit acceptance of lies by the Republican leadership; it's not enough to have said once or twice, quietly, that the election was fair, or that Trump bore responsibility for Jan 6th (after voting to acquit), or that people should get vaccinated, people are going to die based on those lies.
Yes I aggree there are huge differences between things like protests for justice and attacking the capitol.
But to say but to say disregarding left/right fuels facisim is wrong. Facisim relies on dividing people and causing them to fight and argue with each other, blaming a minority for societies problems, then presenting a 'soloution' to those things.
By seperating people into bands of 'leftists & right wingers' you are dividing people and causing them to fight each other. This has bee a pillarstone to creating a facist state in most if not all past examples in history when you look back at it. By dividing people using the political spectrum you create infighting, and prevent reasonable debate. Reasonable, fair free and sensible debate is a vital pillarstone to Democracy (something we should all be proud of, feel lucky to have and should protect at all costs).
I wasn't trying to group left and right together as one, I was trying to point out the the spreading divisions between the two are causing extremism and preventing progressive dialoge.
At this stage there's no "reasonable, fair free and sensible debate", because it's pretty much no longer left v. right, but democracy v. authoritarianism (with the latter accusing the left of doing what they're really doing).
How do you debate with people who say returning to pre-2017 levels of taxation is socialism? Or that allow or encourage the spreading of election fraud lies? Or say that democracy is a bad thing? Or will do anything in their power to maintain or regain power, even at the expense of the country and the deaths of thousands of their fellow Americans?
What's the left doing, right now, that's half as dangerous as that?
I have no idea to be honest. And I can tell you are speaking about the current American situation. I am actually British, but live in France; while I have some knowledge of what's going on over the pond, sadly I am in no way very well informed on it.
At the end of the day, I don't believe that any problem, be it personal,. political, social or otherwise can be truly tackled unless sensible and reasonable dialoge is involved. Of course I support peacefull protest and all the democratic freedoms we must protect, but without sensible dialoge happening it's just noise. What will never, ever solve anytjing is finger pointing, name calling, shouting, screaming and violence. These will only in the end make matters worse. In my honest opinion. Of course, in worst case senarios, where all else fails there is a time and a. place for aggressive action... but the conciquences of those actions are rarely ideal.
I agree with you totally. (by the way, I'm British, living in Germany.) You need dialogue, but there isn't any possible with the people propagating those lies to fire up a frankly murderous crowd.
Misinformation happens on both sides. Like just the other day left leaning news groups like msnbc and cnn reported this narrative that border patrol on horses had whips and were whipping Haitians. But really they assumed their split reins swinging around where whips. But they ran with the story with out confirming it. And people have seen it so they will believe it's true and hate on the border patrol who's trying their best to deal with this crisis the current administration caused.
Yes they said they were whipping them which was founded to be untrue. That race baiter Joy Reid and Chris Cuomo were the worst acting like they were treating them like slaves.
Left and right does not come into this... this is a problem far greater and more complex than left/right echo-rooming... totally useless and unhelpful comment.
Yeah I get that... and it's important to try to engage with those who have opposent ideas/opinions. People don't do that enough anymore. In my opinion it is foolish to never challenge your ideas.
For example, when I encounter a Trumpist (whom by the way I have large distaste for) I still hear them out. As unlikely as it is, maybe, just maybe, they might say sonething that makes me think. Pretty much 100% of the time though, I listen and engage simply to pick apart their almost certain logical flaws. Shame that doesn't ever end in meaningful debate but I refuse to give up hope.
@smokeyshaman it does have to do with left and right side because information comes from both, if you can’t admit that then you are a puppet to one side.
I have said many times on other comments in this post that it is coming from both sides... I thought we were having a discussion here not name calling? I suggest you read other things I have said.
"Perhaps you are right. I think some extreme left ideas are just as dangerous"... just to quote you an example of what I have said to save you searching around.
I see where the missunderstanding may have come from here. When i said "it has nothing to do with left or right" what I meant was that left, right, center, the political spectrum in general is completely irrelivent. The misinformation is coming from everywhere, no matter the political side. It is all over the place. I hope you can better understand my viewpoint and my apologies for not being clearer about it.
OK this is when we get into terminologies terms most people on the right thing that left leaning arguments are misinformation. This is why it’s important to look at both sides of the argument and come up with your own opinion subject. Unfortunately most journalist nowadays are opinion journalist which means you have to take what they say with a grain of salt.
Again, this is bigger than simple left/right echo-rooming. In fact the problem spans all political spectrums as far as I am conserned. People are unwilling fo listsn to, consider or challenge when they think to be true. They just stick with what their 'lefft' or 'right' identy fits into... that's a big problem
Perhaps you are right. I think some extreme left ideas are just as dangerous, however the extreme right seem to be far more united and in aggreement with their ideas. The extreme left are far more diverse and so less united, therefore less threataning to society.
Exactly my point. The extreme are more organised in general, and so their toxic ideas break into public opinion much easier than the ideas of the extreme left.
@smokeyshaman There are really not as many extreme left ideas as there are ones on the right, and a lot of that is due to the fact that the extreme ideas on the right are almost always conflated with money.
This is true. I actually made a typo on my previous comment. I meant to say that "the extreme right seem to be far more organised" and you are probably right, that likely has a lot to do with money & power.
There are certainly some extreme ideas when you look to the far left also, 'anarchism' for example could be considered by many as an extreme left faction. Though I am certainly not denying that currently right extremism is far more rampant and dangerous.
Facts: Covid only kills 1 out of 200 people that get it. Vaccinated people are getting it and still dying. We have had worse diseases that have killed more people Shutting down economy has destroyed economy. Liberals value trees and a virus and environment over people eating.
we learned if from the left the 4 years of RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA. Trump is a russian spy Trump is a Russian asset. CNN , MSNBC CBS ABC NBC just plain lied no truth in anything so what the left used for years we adopted now, but is not ok to use except by the left. The trutht is not a word the left knows the meaning of.
You're using the word 'misinformation' as a stand-in for 'information that doesn't concord with your personal understanding of the topic'. But that's not what misinformation actually is. Misinformation is information that has no actual basis in reality. Just because you disagree with a perspective doesn't make it misinformation. You cannot simply discount presentation of studies and information which doesn't concord with your pre-existing biases as 'misinformation'.
I'm reminded of this one guy who was a proponent of changing the meaning of words through constant repetition... man who was that guy...
An even better example: Do you think the economy is good right now? (shortages, entire automobile factories shutting down, fleets of big rigs sitting idle because they can't get parts, computer chip shortages, inflation etc) >65% of democrats fairly good or better
"No you." Is a meme but we have actual evidence to back up what we say, you guys literally just spout slogans, change definitions, and even in looking for the citations to this very post, a myriad of false framing devices. Its endemic with leftwing media, they can't help themselves with their stupid opinions. Hard news no longer exists. Headlines like this "John Smith, a known white supremacist, was caught on tape picking his nose" are standard fare. "What makes him a white supremacist?" Is never asked. Look at WH press conferences. That Doocy guy is literally the only one in the room asking legitimate questions. Just the other day he asked "you want everyone vaccinated and getting tested weekly but people flooding across the border come and go as they please"
"THESE migrants don't need to be vaccinated because they won't stay long." Jesus effing Christ and you people believe this BS. *Breaking news from the future* "Covid cases SURGE in states (that the feds dumped thousands of illegals) that voted Trump!" I mean my God just the covid coverage is enough to prove these people have fallen off of the deep end. My medical books are all obsolete now! Natural immunity no longer exists, herd immunity is now 90%, vaccines don't have to actually prevent infection and spread anymore, mortality rates are less important than infection rates, ivermectin is exclusively for horses now, long term studies are obsolete, Hippocratic oath/Nightingale Pledge? Pfff SEE YA! That one "doctor" on CNN saying "there is no excuse not to get the vaccine!" My God we're fucked! This is half of the country accusing the other half of being misinformed, despite the facts being on their side! Shit that was true yesterday and for the past 50 years is no longer true, and asking my is grounds for deplatforming and public shame. "Cause of death is blunt force trauma but I have to write covid or face termination?" Yup! *Democrat applause*
Misinformation = anything the left doesn't like, regardless of truth.
@NicoletteXO the sooner you realize this isn't incompetence, its malicious, the better.
Go check Israel and Gibraltar. Gibraltar is practically 100% vaccinated and the vaccinated are still dying. Inform yourself before you cast slurs, moron.
Your deluded thoughts tell you only vaccinated people are dying? Yes, when vast majority of a population is vaxxed some will inevitably die. Never as high as unvaxxed.
Lol. I didn't say that. Clearly you are the delusional one. Also, you're incorrect. For example, as of late July this year, Eritrea had not even started a vaccination program yet. Nobody there is vaccinated. Yet there have only been 42 Covid deaths in the whole country.
why does "misinformation" keep turning out to be true? How many people got banned from social media for spreading what you called misinformation about the corona virus being created in a Wuhan lab? Now, it's all but confirmed that that is indeed where it started. It'd be a pretty cool world if people like you stopped calling everything you disagree with "misinformation".
HELLO JUST COME IN HERE TO ANNOUNCE THAT MY WING IS *NEVER* WRONG MY WING IS *NEVER* MISINFORMED MY WING IS *ALWAYS* RIGHT MY WING IS CORRECT, CNN HAS ALREADY RELEASED AN ARTICLE EXPLAINING HOW RIGHT WE ARE
Ehh, true. But it’s clearly worse on the right. I’m sorry I hate the false equivalency. While lefty media can overstep, right wingers dive into the deep end.
Lefty media has literally been responsible for 250 million deaths last century. (China, Russia, Germany, Cuba, Venezuela) Maybe you should re evaluate how far the left oversteps?
Your implication that the left does not lie just as much is hilarious.
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Why is misinformation so popular on the left wing? Do they think it’s actual truth, or do they not understand that whatever I believe is true and whatever they believe is misinformation?
