Should it be illegal for a Baker to refuse to make a wedding cake for a Homosexual or Transgender couple?

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224466881010 · Accepted Answer

No. Almost nobody would be alright with refusing to serve a client because they are black. I can't accept different treatment for gays.
There's too much scientific evidence proving the existence of black people for you to disagree that they are authentically black and it isn't just some psychological issue.
Likewise there is too much scientific evidence in support of the existence of homosexuality for one to disagree that it's real.
Therefore, you can't argue that discriminating against homosexuals is based on the content of their character or some imagined bullshit, like exotic gender pronouns or identifying as an inanimate object instead of a biological male or female. It is instead discriminating against someone on the basis of something that is fundamental to their humanity, like race. It's just a hate crime.

Which brings up interesting questions. Like:
- What is the nature of "humanity" and why can't you discriminate based on an aspect of it?
- Isn't aggression a fundamental aspect of humanity? You can kick someone out for aggression. Why can you discriminate against some things and not others?
- What is a "hate crime" and why is it bad?
- If radical left-wing activists have all these fancy genders and identities, how do they reproduce? What do their mating rituals look like? Can someone who identifies as a lampshade be sexually compatible with someone who identifies as a tree frog?

Good questions. Find out on the next exciting episode.

DJB72 · Accepted Answer

My business has a sign at the door that says "Right of Admission Reserved". That means I can ask anyone to leave for any reason and if they don't I can charge with criminal trespassing.

Same goes for any and every private business.

If a Baker is a devout Christian and advertises their business as a "Christian business" then they absolutely have the right to refuse service to anyone who blatantly lives a life opposed to those principles.

There have been a number of cases touching on this in recent years. What I have yet to understand is why a lgbtqfku couple would WANT the services of a business so vehemently opposed to their lifestyle unless they are wanting to pick a fight. No cake in the world is so good that it's worth going to court because your snowflake melted.

Every case I've seen so far has been the same: the couple getting hitched pick a business known to be devout in their religious beliefs then claim discrimination when the baker refuses to cater for their event. If the business is being run and advertises as a Christian business then the couple can't claim that they have been unfairly treated if the baker declines to bake their cake. The baker's religious integrity and freedom is on the line. Unless there are no other bakers in a 100 mile radius who will not be offended its not the baker that's at fault - it's the couple who are attempting to force their own religious beliefs on the baker.

Daniela1982 · Accepted Answer

If Muslims are allowed to wear a head covering because of their religion when others can't, why can't a baker refuse to make a cake for a gay wedding if it is against his religion? My question is why make a big deal of it? Just go to another baker as any straight person would do if someone didn't want to bake them a cake for some reason. Why do people always have to play the "gay" card to get their own way? What if a baker didn't want to make the cake below because of religious beliefs? Should they be forced to also? A baker in Portland, Oregon was forced out of business for this very reason as they refused to bake a gay cake.

PinkMichae · Accepted Answer

Not at all. Private buisness's can refuse service to anyone for any reason. Also I think it's wrong to force someone who doesn't believe in homosexuality to make a cake that goes against their beliefs.

Just like I wouldn't force an atheist baker to make me a Christian cake if he didn't want too. I'd just find someone who doesn't mind.

OlderAndWiser · Answer

I support maximum freedom for all Americans, including bakers.

ohshee · Answer

Any business owner has the right to refuse business from anybody but here's the deal no matter who it is that they refuse to do business with it's their loss because in time word gets around and the amount of money that he can make by making that cake and other cakes they're going to follow because business is Word of Mouth they would be fools not to make a cake and do whatever it is they want done to that cake and they better make it perfect and that guy 10 times more than business. No it's not against the law. And it's not illegal but it is stupid

Kaneki05 · Answer

Of course. Not different to refusing sales to people of color.
Allowing people to be discriminators like this is what ends up with people of color getting forced to only sit in one part of the bus. Leads to harassment. Leads to people not wanting to come out as gay. Leads to people instigating hate.

People can say it's okay because at the end of the day owners choice. But they do not think past the bigger impact that has on society when multiple people are doing that and giving that thought out to the world.

If you allow discrimination to happen, it will only grow. Do you think people like Martian Luther King just said ah well it's the buses owners option if they make us sit in certain spots?
Do you think he would just go, I dream of a world were people are still refused to be served due to the color of our skin.

No doubt same arguments can be done to anything discrimination like this.

hahahmm · Answer

No. Forcing someone to make a cake for a homosexual wedding is denying the baker the right to religious freedom as there's long standing religious beliefs against homosexual marriage. It would also be wrong to force a baker to make a cake for a satanic ritual or that shows support for anything going against his/her faith.

BrosephBrostar · Answer

I sure hope that wasn't your understanding of the Colorado bakery case.

To answer the question as it is written, no, obviously not, you shouldn't discriminate based on protected characteristics. That wasn't the meat and potatoes of the bakery case, though. The whole point of the case was that the baker didn't want to make a custom cake for them, which they insisted on. Let's also put aside the fact that they trolled various bakeries, because that isn't relevant to the case at all. You can't force someone to make a cake that has a specific message on it, like "God loves faggots" or something. You can't compel speech.

Stoner710 · Answer

If we want to get rid of freedom of religion in this country we have no choice but to say yes it should be legal. Islam Christianity and Judaism all see homosexuality as a sin and to comply to bake a cake for a gay wedding or a gender transition party goes against there religious beliefs. If you are a secular baker or atheist then yes it should be illegal for you to refuse survive because then your just being a dick, Religion is the only exception to this rule.

Anonymous · Answer

This is a slippery slope. I believe in religious freedom. However, it is discrimination. However, if that person believes in doing the cake, then they are going against their God and putting themselves at risk for eternal persecution, then who I am to say they are wrong. There's plenty of other bakeries. LGBTIA+ WHATEVER should just find another bakery. BUT then again, it is illegal because it's a form of discrimination. A baker can refuse to make cakes based on race, gender, religion, political party, etc. It's a difficult situation.

purplepoppy · Answer

There was a case like this in northern Ireland recently. The baker argued that he'd happily bake the gay couple a cake but not write on the progay slogan because of his religious beliefs. He won the case. It boils down to You can't legally discriminate against people but you can't be forced to support their beliefs either.

Amy7777 · Answer

The baker isn't refusing to make a cake for a homosexual couple, he or she is refusing to make a homosexual cake. How would he even know their sexual orientation, unless it was apparent in their cake design?

This is no different than someone asking the baker to make a pornographic cake. If the baker isn't comfortable with that, the customers are welcome to go somewhere else.

Lionman95 · Answer

No because people should always have the choice of what they wanna do, therefore they need to decline something. If you take the right to decline away you reduce their personal freedom.
I don´t think it helps homosexuals that everybody else is made to accept them because would make the gender topic look an ideology.

CuriousJC · Answer

It's kind of by law, can't refuse a wedding cake for any type of couple regardless if it's lesbians homos or transsexuals. Because you're basically robbing them if they gave you the money for that particular wedding cake and they expect you to pay up.

Ez-Bri-Z · Answer

Illegal? Absolutely not.

Are they very bright for turning down business and inviting bad reviews? Not at all.

You are free to run your business like that, but please don't come whining when it makes news and you lose business over it either. That's people on both sides using their rights.

Cro_Laura · Answer

I don't think it should be illegal but I will say thats messed up.

I mean its a cake for wedding it's not like they gonna turn you into LGBT member by make one. But I wouldn't be surprised if someone does reject it tho world is full of different.

I will just show what type of person he/she is if they refused to make a cake.

Twalli · Answer

As per the SCOTUS case it is legal to deny making a speciality cake. Any speciality can be denied for any reason. Yet if they ask for a cake and don't request any special additions you cannot refuse. You sell cakes, they can buy or order a cake. You can't deny them that, but when you design something unique you have the ability to deny service to anyone for said designer piece that is ordered. If it's for sale at that time though, they can buy it

andreasderjuengere · Answer

If I can be told by others what I produce in my own business and what I can't...
that's not longer my own (ed) business.
I was recently approach by an 'unwanted' customer; I just called for a price that he could not afford - and I never heard from him again.
The Baker in question could have done the same.

FinalFantasyBro · Answer

Truthfully most businesses can allow anyone they see fit but they should also get criticize for discrimination. If the baker doesn't want to allow gay people access they legally could but they will not only breaking civil rights but they technically be earning less. Also I think people who forbid people for discrimination purposes tend to be real assholes and I wouldn't want anything to do with them.

Recurrence · Answer

I make pottery, and I’m an atheist, I’m not going to turn away a Christian family wanting a dishset just because they’re Christian. 🤷‍♂️ Would it be the same the other way around? Probably, but I feel like Christians have a bigger problem with me than I them.

AliceTheNguyener · Answer

Refusing to bake wedding cake for an lgbt couple is discrimination and illegal, BUT refusing to write pro-queer message on the cake is legal. The same applies to interracial couples, interreligious couples, or any other pairing you disagree with.

GhostMochi · Answer

It shouldn't be illegal. That's just stupid. If the baker has an issue with it, just go to someone else who is willing to make it with no problems.

Ad_Quid_Orator · Answer

It should be as illegal as it is for him to refuse to make a cake for an interracial couple.

*What business does the government have telling him who he can and can't do business with?

Who enforces those agreements?

doopayo · Answer

Yes because that would break civil rights laws. I’m pretty sure you’re not allowed to discriminate anyone on the base on color, gender, sexuality, or gender expression in most states.

Madhatter920 · Answer

If their being homosexual or trans is the reason they won't make the cake, then yes. At least within the U. S. That's a violation of their constitutional rights as American citizens. In other nations that do not have those rights, then no.

sexscientist · Answer

No. We don’t even know why he won’t? Maybe he has personal experience with one of them and doesn’t want to deal with them. He has a right to do anything he wantsas long as it dosent harm anyone. So does not baking a cake for someone harm them? No. So then we know the baker can make cakes for whoever the fuck he wants. And he won’t make cakes for people he does not want to make cakes for. Make aense?

JimBeams · Answer

That sad part is that these bakers are probably put on a hit list, and targeted by homosexuals that need to force the world to believe the same as them. The LGTBQR community doesn't want equal rights, they want more rights than everyone else.

bolverk · Answer

NO, It is the bakers prerogative to decide who will/will not accept an order from, it would be for the best if the 'Law' was kept out of it, there are plenty of bakers in the yellow pages who would accept the commission.

Anonymous · Answer

No. For a small business, you should literally be able to say whatever you want to a person and kick them out of your store.

That aside, you still shouldn't be able to force anyone to make anything. We can tell people they *can't* do things -- things that infringe on others freedom. But telling people they have to *do* something in the affirmative is to command them as a slave, which should be a big no-no.

bonster1984 · Answer

I think it’s wrong and a horrible way to run a business to not want to make a cake for a trans or gay couple. If you love baking cakes for people’s special days than it shouldn’t matter. But if I was gay or trans I wouldn’t want a bakery to make my cake if they didn’t like me. I would find a better baker who would show that ignorant baker up. Their loss !

Anonymous · Answer

For the people who said he should be forced to bake a cake for whoever wants it, remember we have a constitutional right (13th amendment) not to be forced into work or involuntary servitude. Your First Amendment rights also guarantee that you can practice your religion freely.

disgustingweebtrash · Answer

He can do what he wants Note: There's a very massive difference between some small corner shop selling bread and cake and some mega corp "doing what they want"

Ninani · Answer

There are hospitals refusing to treat people 🙄 People don't need cake, but they sure do need their health.

Caramelpie · Answer

The baker is free to make it or not because it’s his bakery in the first place you can’t force your thoughts on other people, if he doesn’t want to then it’s fine there are many would do it.

readyplayer001 · Answer

that homosexual cake looks delicious. money is money who gives a rats ass whos paying who they are marrying geez

Anonymous · Answer

Like any Business, It is THEIR own Business. Does it Make it it Right to Fight? It Has to Come from The Heart from the Start. xx

Waldoe · Answer

free enterprise, if a baker refuses to make Gat Cakes, he will probably go out of business, thats the risk he takes

karaspara · Answer

No but if they don't want to it shouldn't be allowed to force them to

Aiko_E_Lara · Answer

No. They have every rights to serve what they serve or don't. The owner have every authority to decide what's on the menu. If you don't like it, you're not forced to order from them and they lost a customer. Simple.

proNutro · Answer

Ah no. You can’t force people to go against their beliefs.  Go to a different baker and move on

AmandaYVR · Answer

No private businesses can do as they please. Customers don't have to use their services either.

TallAnon · Answer

Hmmm, tough one, but no.
We should limit less people from things, just like gay people can now freely marry in most countries. Leave the choice to the individuals.
That also means leaving people the choice to be assholes.

Buterflybaby · Answer

It’s their choice but in the end I think it would hurt their business.

Cherry234 · Answer

No but it is discriminatory. The gay couple should find another baker to go to if that's the case

Caunsos · Answer

There a number of reason beyond prejudice they refuse to make the cake. And even if that was the reason, forcing they to make by law would pretty much guarantee a subpair product.

Hispanic-Cool-Guy · Answer

No. Let the homo go to a baker who supports his lifestyle and leave people who don't alone.

tartaarsaus · Answer

Yes. There should absolutely be non-discrimination laws - including sexual orientation - on private companies.

pleasestopthis · Answer

No, if it's their business they're entitled to bake whatever they want and to refuse some clients.

KrakenAttackin · Answer

Any business owner should have the right to refuse to serve anyone for any reason or no reason at all.

EnglishEuropean · Answer

I think that should depend on the outlandishness of the cake. If they just want a regular cake I don't see a problem.

Kingofkings1992 · Answer

Ridiculous. That’s 100 percent their personal choice. Doesn’t mean everyone has to agree with it, but to suggest criminalizing something of that nature is beyond insanity.

idkwhatishere · Answer

No absolutely not don't force your beliefs on other people

Yami-Dom · Answer

No one should be force to do something they don't want. But in a kind caring way say sorry but no.

888theGreat · Answer

Yes if facebook can ban you for being a conservative.

anylolone · Answer

For a gay couple, yes, but refusing a theme is up to the baker.

Anonymous · Answer

I think they should make the cake anyway. It looks lovely.

Kvynhanma · Answer

What gay person doesn’t know how to bake? your embarrassing your people

Anonymous · Answer

no it's their business they can service to who they want and don't want to since they pay the bills and the paychecks to the employees

TheReal_PrideWolf666 · Answer

If the person calls and orders the cake and when they come the shop is closed than... I don't know.

Anonymous · Answer

Slippery slopes. I don't like gay people at all.. but id be weary of turning people away

Agape93 · Answer

No. Its his business.

GoodGuyBreakingBad · Answer

Nope it shouldn't be illegal

Anonymous · Answer

Just go to another bakery if one business if refusing to bake a LGBQT cake. Don’t waste your time whining

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