Is the Quad alliance that Joe Biden wants to revive a good geopolitical strategy against China?

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nightdrot · Accepted Answer

It is not clear what you are asking. "Revive" the "Quad Alliance"? During the Cold War, there was no such alliance. As to the current geopolitical situation, the alliance is not so much being created by Mr. Biden as it is growing out the relentless logic of the current international scene.

In terms of a "revival," during the Cold War India was officially leader of the so-called non-aligned movement. That is of states that were neither part of the communist bloc nor of the Western alliance.

In practical terms, however, as the United States was attempting to drive a wedge between the USSR and China, Washington tilted somewhat tilted toward Pakistan - this especially after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan - who is India's principle geopolitical rival and an informal ally of China. (China and India also having bad relations - and still do, by the way.) Thus India and the United States, during the Cold War, were not on the best of terms and the former tended to tilt somewhat to Moscow.

As to Japan and Australia. The latter was tied to the United States and New Zealand in the ANZUS pact - and were officially allies. (New Zealand later dropped out over its strong anti-nuclear sentiments - though it remains tied to the USA through the so-called "Five Eyes" intelligence alliance.)

Japan, because of its American imposed post-WWII "no war" constitution was forced to abjure any formal alliances outside the bilateral mutual defense treaty with the USA. Grant that in any war with the USSR, there is no doubt Japan would have fallen in with the USA and Australia. (However, India more likely than not would have stood aside, or in extreme circumstances may have even sided with the USSR.)

Thus there was no "Quad Alliance" in the Far East during the Cold War. Rather an informal set of interlocking relationships that would have, in effect by default, allied Japan, Australia and the USA, though again not likely India. This was not a formal alliance in the sense of NATO, but rather each individual having a link to the USA that - in effect - bound them to each other. (Again, India excepted.)

Since the Cold War, the changed geopolitical context has made for something somewhat more closely approximating a formal alliance. However, even now, no such formal arrangement exists.

Post 9/11, as the US relationship with China has deteriorated and as Pakistan has backed radical Islamist forces, India and the USA have moved closer together. New Zealand has left ANZUS, but the USA and Australia remain formal allies by treat, and of course the mutual defense pact with Japan remains in place.

In effect, this remains a series of interlocking relationships with the USA at their center. The thing binding it together strategically being the rise of China. It is not, however, a formal quadruple alliance. The thing driving it together is the need of all the powers concerned to have a counterweight to China.

As to whether or not it is a good geopolitical strategy, the question answers itself. Obviously it would not be happening if it were not a good idea. Though it would arguably be better were it a formal alliance like NATO, such alliance is not possible because - particularly with India - it has competing interests that make outright alliance to the USA problematic.

As an aside, as to Mr. Biden "forming/reviving" this alliance, that gives him too much credit. It was coming together by strategic necessity and he has been more the beneficiary than the proactive creator of the alliance. Indeed, his uneven performance in Afghanistan and vis-a-vis France in the Australia submarine matter, among other issues, has made the "alliance" somewhat shaky as the various states are not entirely sure that Mr. Biden will be reliable.

Bottom line, though, this "Quad Alliance" would not be happening were it not a good idea. It being less a choice than a result of the global balance of power.

J2ohhhhh · Accepted Answer

TLDL: merica can't do shit against China. China has a mixed ecconomy and subsides key elements of its economy while both, India, Australia US and Japan are on the more neoliberal/capitalist side which are just inferior, because US companies can only rely on suppliers who based on demand adjust their prices to make the most possible profit, while Chinese companies often rely on state provided supplies which are cheaper than private supplies so they have a market advantage. And all America can do is banning Chinese products, but it fucks over the consumers, cus yeah you might pay a few extra bucks to support your local producers when you can afford it, but you won't use a mobil phone for 5 years to avoid Chinese products. Before Deng Xiaoping, China had mostly planned economy (communist) and GDP was rather fluctuating, and he just kinda changed it and opened up China. And you know what people said? Fucking nothing cus they were not asked, because they don't know shit about economics. It isn't just China, Bolivia has a mixed economy as well with its own fiscal policies and it has the steepest GDP growth in the region. As capitalism is superior to planned economies, mixed economies are superior to free markets, but you cannot do stuff like this on the land of freedom. You'd try to nationalise something in America and you'd have a revolution next day. So the only available option is to get in a war with China but you cannot really get in a war with the factory of the world. It would take decades to readjust the world's industries and it would probably cost what you now call freedom.

DeeDeeDeVour · Accepted Answer

Biden's a sell out. I don't trust anything he comes up with.

BCA6010 · Answer

It's good on paper and for cameras. The reality is that anything resembling serious opposition to China by Biden's administration is more for show than anything else. Australia's PM is a Chinese shill. The American SecState, President (and his family), House Speaker, half the rest of the line of succession, as well as the most prominent Republican/opposition leader in the Senate are all Chinese shills too.

MCheetah · Answer

Yes, but it was a hold-over strategy from the Trump administration, who also wanted to form AUKUS (Australia-UK-USA alliance). The Biden administration had nothing to do with it.

pickedcrisps · Answer

I dislike it because of the way I do like buying cheap Chinese goods like phones and stuff and it'll be disappointing if this ruins that you know sort of aspect is how I view it all as for me personally and selfishly as a low income consumer lol. Lol. 😁

Avicenna · Answer

This COULD be a very good alliance, but its weak links are Chinese economic pressure on the US and especially Australia. India isn't very involved with China economically and Japan has mostly decoupled. Geographically, it makes perfect sense, especially if Indonesia could be added.

jshm2 · Answer

It's largely a joke.

Nothing with India in it can be a success. The country has more holes and problems than some third world African states.

It's really just Japan and the USA. Australia is where most of the world traffic gets monitored - but it's nothing much militarily. India is just there as "the brown guy" in the group.

Wester1967 · Answer

No, it's imperialist ridiculousness. Nobody needs to contain China, they are a full economic partner of the USA. As set up by George Bush 1. I watched it happen. I worked in China 3 years. They love us. And our hyper capitalists, like Warren Buffet and Mitt Romney, love them. Also shameful to see India in there when Nehru was the leader of the non aligned movement back in the day. No more non alignment with imperialist BS now.

disgustingweebtrash · Answer

It's a massive front. The dragon will rise because your wealthy sent everything to be made by the dragon.

These 4 countries won't do shit. China could sack taiwan and murder every inhabitant and nothing would happen. They won the economic war and now they can do whatever tf they want. You get what you deserve

Anonymous · Answer

We need to get put debt with them and force production intonither poor countries. And fine Compaines for shipping jobs to China.

They either gonna get taxed or fine. Stock protecting these people.

China has the USA by the balls. They make your stuff and you owe them mkney

anylolone · Answer

Everyone else made that aliance the moment joe got into office, and we already know that the australian PM is up to his knee's in china's pockets.
Biden is even more, he's just responding to public pressure.

Adam_INTJ · Answer

No. China has spent too long developing a global set of supply chains. Two economically secondary countries and two big players are too weak to threaten that.

YAhallo · Answer

offcorce I mean do you like getting bullied? or want to follow Chinese restrictions , want to get forced to learn Chinese? Or want to get punished for protecting. US, Europe make china rich and now other countries are paying for your mistake

FunkyMonkee · Answer

NOTHING King Joey does "AGAINST" China is a good idea, mostly because, we already know he's working FOR China!!

cth96190 · Answer

Yes, but Taiwan and Korea should be included in that alliance.

KrakenAttackin · Answer

It's pretty much the only strategy if we are going to contain the PRC.

ManHater · Answer

he's a dumb fuck, back stabbing its allies and own people.

captain_voidwalker · Answer

Lol what alliance the only one contributing equipment and man power will be the US

Anonymous · Answer

I think very much so, yes. He should add South Korea in there.

rcljr · Answer

Lol, biden couldn’t organize a lemonade stand.

noohair · Answer

Biden can't find his ass with either hand.

EyesOfGod · Answer

Where's France and Malaysia though?

Neosporin · Answer

I like China and don’t like japan.

Youdumbeotch · Answer

No different than what Trump would have wanted.

Fuentes · Answer

Biden wants to be China

DiegoO · Answer

It would be a strong alliance

jimmy2 · Answer

No he in China pocket

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