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Nomina got it right. I agree with most everything she wrote, including the fact that she doesn't use the absurd term "toxic masculinity".
There is no such thing as toxic masculinity. There is only toxic behavior, and both men and women do it. Associating that toxic behavior with one gender is just another way feminism divides the sexes. That is, after all, what feminism is about. That is the most toxic thing in all of this.
I agree
Being toxic has nothing to do with a man's masculinity. Even women can be toxic. It's like me asking why toxic femininity exists. It's got nothing to do with masculinity or femininity, it's about the fact that some people just have toxic behaviour regardless of their gender. If feminists had a brain they would understand this.
The association of "pussy" and "girl, female gender" with weakness is itself fucked. It undermines women and it adds ridiculous pressure on men.
Now I already know that men typically seem to be less emotional but I think toxic masculinity might be one of the reasons depression and suicide rates are so high amongst men
Why is that?
Maybe bc they suppress all their emotions and over time it turns into a big problem?
I've noticed women don't bitch about "toxic masculinity" when stuff breaks down.
Why is it so prevelant? The same reason "toxic femininity" exist. There's always pressure from society on how people should act. Like pink anon mentioned. It's very primal. Women like masculine men , so men are raised that way in order to find a mate or appear to be "attractive". A masculine man is seen as a provider and protector which are two main qualities women look for in men.
You can be masculine with I being toxic…the two aren’t synonymous
If you're going to post nonsense, at least prepare to defend your thoughts other than repeating the same talking point over and over.
A man is the protector, a rock for his family. We are human so of course we can cry, but we do it in private. Men are logical creatures and women are emotional creatures, it's as simple as that. Don't like it? Take it to God, nature, biology, or whatever you believe in.
The cause of serious consequences to society is the very pussified men you support with your DUMB thread. But what else can expect from a low IQ woman who thinks she can explain the world the everybody?
Hopefully it never dies out. Tired of weak men being portrayed in the media to make all men weak. Strong men are what real feminine women want and I’d never want to be with a feminine man.
"If my man had human emotions then he'd be subhuman"
@devilman666 no men do have emotions but they can’t be weak or pathetic. They need to be strong for their women
emotions do not have a gender, both men an women have them. Emotional intelligence and maturity is important for any relationship and learning how to deal with them instead of repressing them is so important for mental health.
@Subarugirl tell that to women like this
It's not. It's bullshit. Remove your head from your ass.
It isn't. Just as all Americans being obese, gun totting, maniacs is seen as prevalent when it isn't.
The word you're looking for is "tropes"
Perhaps the way they were raised or how society portrays men as 'strong and unemotional' and then all that bs gets to their heads and they take it out an other people to relieve the pressure
Stfu Jesus Christ. That’s like saying women should t cheat… no you know what I’m not doing this your dumb.
Same reason why Toxic femininity is, people like putting other's down and having some sense of control/pressure on them.
Because society doesn't put their money where their mouth is, we show emotion, we get involuntarily admitted to an institution and stripped of our second amendment, drugged, raped, and locked in there with no release date until we finally snap
Men should not cry or whine, if they do they need dirt in their eyes & if they have a cut they should throw salt in it. No Nancy's
MAKE MEN MEN AGAIN!
And this is why men suicide so much more than women. Because of this mentality.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 exactly
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Men should be tough, it's proven since cave man days. If we sat there & didn't hunt for food and cried about it our family would starve & if we try to stay home from work or not hop out of bed because we needed a mental day or week. We lose our job & our family don't eat or we don't eat and lose anything, men must be men and you always got to get up. Thats life
No one is advocating for not working. For not doing what you must. I am advocating for asking for help and support. From wife, friends, a medical professional, someone.
Do you have any idea how many men kill themselves every day because they isolate themselves in their problems and don't ask for help?
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 if someone needs help, get help but this post is gearing towards men being soft and sissies & how heir mental health gets bad if they dont stop playing tough. Men should seek help but not announce it to the world. We should never be emotional around others nobody understands us in this world and this world was made for us to survive in it, not cry in it.
Women are emotional creatures and men are simply not, im not saying depression is not a thing im saying men should not cry in public and pull themselves up by their boot straps and keep going. Their is no other way to be a man, i grew up without a father and i became a man, never got emotional, never whined about it. I made things happen and now i live in California and live just fine. If i sat on my butt and did nothing but cried i would be nothing.
That is just a stereotype.
Studies have been made and women are not more emotional than men. Women react with anxiety to it and men with aggression, still equality emotional.
Humans have emotions. There is no way around that, there is no denying that.
Of course we can't give in at the slightest emotions. We need to have though skin I agree with that. We can't let this world to be just full of snowflakes.
I never had a father either and I made someone of myself. I can feel you there. I never asked for help either.
But not everyone is capable to deal with things. Not everyone is emotionally strong. And those should ask for help. Not being sissies. There is a difference.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 yes im saying if you need help get help, but do not make a public display of your emotion. It was actually the whole notion that i must be a man and get things done in my life with no help or excuses that seemed damn near impossible at the time made me not quit. So in public we should never display signs of weakness, our weakness is like blood being smelled by sharks and this world will chew us up and spit us out. You can never let down your guard, get help but don't display it in public.
With that I agree.
No such thing as toxic masculinity. Being and acting as a man is innate.
I never had no one to teach me how to be a man, it's just something that comes naturally.
So you think repressing the emotions you have is healthy?
No I don't think that's healthy. I don't even know what is toxic masculinity is to being with? It doesn't make any sense to me.
Because society teaches women that such toxic traits are ok and we just need to suck it up and deal with it, and guys usually don't see it as toxic.
People are over thinking BS again. In 20 years you will think this as stupid as fuck
I don’t know how to cry anymore. Few things get to me like that but when they do the most that happens is maybe a sniffle
You can't change the Nature of a Man or Women. Basics would be all Same.
There is a big difference between nature and nurture. We are talking about the later.
Feminism is a cancer. Only a man hater would try to force men to conform to female behavior. You have no idea what it is like being a man with high levels of testosterone. You are guilty of hates crimes for the stupid shit that you spout on here.
You do realize that men have feelings too right?
Real people don’t cry. Only feeble minded idiots do. Regardless of gender.
When will you man hating feminists kindly fuck off speaking on men's behalf?
Your beliefs about men is what is toxic.
That is what I am doing, I speaking out against toxic masculinity which oppress men and causes so much damage
Well stop. You wouldn't appreciate it if men spoke on women's behalf about femininity and told said women their own lived experiences as women are wrong. You are not a man, while I am. I am telling you my lived experiences as a man contradicts your beliefs about masculinity.
I’m not talking about masculinity. I’m talking about toxic masculinity which isn’t the same thing. As a mother to a boy and a wife, this is an important topic since it effects my son and husband.
I know the difference, and I'm telling you "toxic masculinity" doesn't exist, at least not the way you think it does.
If you raise your son with these beliefs, you are going to ruin, and as an adult he'll never forgive you for it.
*ruin him
How is teaching your child to communicate and how to deal with emotions rather than repressing them in a healthy way going to ruin him? That empathy and emotional maturity doesn’t make him less of a man?
"The concept of toxic masculinity is used in academic and media discussions of masculinity to refer to certain cultural norms that are associated with harm to society and men themselves. Traditional stereotypes of men as socially dominant, along with related traits such as misogyny and homophobia, can be considered "toxic" due in part to their promotion of violence, including sexual assault and domestic violence. The socialization of boys in patriarchal societies often normalizes violence, such as in the saying "boys will be boys" about bullying and aggression."
By teaching your son to believe this these lies about himself, he will grow up hating himself, and that hate will be turned onto you once he becomes an adult and starts living his own life.
I don't know if you're a radical feminist, or are just extremely naïve not having done extensive research into this, but "toxic masculinity" is not what you think it is. It's got nothing to do with helping boys communicate their emotions, and everything to do with ironically silencing their emotions and demonizing them for merely exists.
Males do not emote and deal with their issues the same way females do. The boys that do act the same way as girl, very quickly find out how little their safety and well being means to society.
We do not live in a world that cares about men's safety and well being, rather we live in a society filled with feminists that only want men to cry just so they can lick the tears of his face. You raise your son this way, and you will set him up to fail, because this is the world we live in;
You go ahead and watch this and ask yourself why Sharon Osbourne wasn't blacklisted for this and why this show wasn't cancelled.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80JqoyaL-p4&t=111s
Assumptions, i like my masculinity and the masculinity of my brothers (men). it's who we are. I'm sure a similar argument could be made for femininity.
China is training its men to be more masculine and has launched a hypersonic missile capable of carrying a nuclear warhead. The United States is concerned that syrup is racist.
If people really cared about “toxic masculinity” then we wouldn’t be demonizing incels. They are the exact definition of what happens when you tell men that they are terrorists if they have never had sex with a woman before.
Like "incels", toxic masculinity is a feminist construct like "mansplaining and "manspreading.
Its not toxic masculinity it's "being aware of your nature" and to act like it.
Depends on your upbringing and even the sports/social activities you do.
I think it is an insecurity so the front is a protection for them. As one of the girls said it probably also lends itself to the high suicide rates in males
Here we go again! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ seriously people just stop dancing in the palm of the mass media each person is different not by much but that still makes us different , don't try to give certain characteristics to a group cuz it won't work if it's not for marketing purposes ಠ_ಠ
Man are so alone all the time. It's the biggest reason of their mental health issues. Not some fancy word like toxic masculinity.
Because toxic masculinity is simply masculinity which is hated by Feminazis.
No there is a big difference. My father is on of the most masculine people I know and he isn’t at all toxic for example.
I don't think that is toxic.
Because life is problems, and we are here to fix them.
So I'm perturbed rarely by any problem.
“Don’t be a mitch!”
I just read this myTake from a GaG user that I’ll not mention. This is probably the reason why toxic masculinity exists.
@Subarugirl And you know what, Those are the sort of Qualities a Man needs to keep shit running. Men are Machines at the end of the day.
That mentality right there is part of the problem
That mentality keeps the lights, the water running, and food on the table. Everything has a cost, and men pay that cost. I don't think you understand the price of the world around you.
Wow... that is such horseshit that I feel knee deep in it. I seriously feel sorry for you. how sad.
@godfatherfan Run out of soylent and your wifes boyfriend won't drive you to whole foods?
It's always been there but Trump only exacerbated it; it's Trump after all
There it is, the dumbest fucking thing I’ve read so far today…
Of course a republican would respond that way
What’s more harmful for men’s mental health is people who don’t understand how men tick pushing solutions that don’t work.
Because there are abusive people who are still alive saying what they were taught was "manly" and that a "man" has prerequisites he has to follow enable to be considered one.
Because we’re starting to question why we need masculinity in the first place and thus are having an opposite reaction of pro-masculine men coming out of the woodwork.
I am guessing because women exists or at least that's what GaG people says
Because it will exist as long as people say it does.
It doesn’t exist in my world, I pay no attention to leftist feminist dykes.
“Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times.”
Excellent poem. The last few decades have been good times. Life has gotten REALLY EASY for many men.
I don't think that will change soon, it's the same question as why women want to look pretty and such.
Yes we do But we don't show it as it a weakness if others see it and that what we are hiding...
That is definition of toxic masculinity
Did you ever consider that its necessary? Probably not.
Also, you're a woman. What do you know about it?
Because it's rewarded in children who learn to internalize and live it and pass it on in the same manner you the next generation
Men have to be tough in this world just to survive but men have emotions, we are human beings.
No one is arguing against that
The ignorance of some women and their utter devotion to society destroying propaganda astounds me
It's not just women who recognize this kind of mentality. Do you not think this idea that men need to act tough and avoid showing all emotions can be harmful to their mental health and the relationships that they will have with their spouses and children?
What good are pussified men doing for the western world? NONE. Men need to be tough. The reason our suicides are so high is not “toxic masculinity” because by that claim suicide should have been way higher 100 years ago. Men are disenfranchised. There is this idea that masculinity should be encouraged in women and discouraged in men
You are the victim of propaganda
So you think that repressing emotions is a good thing? Instead of learn how to process them in a healthy way?
You girls have that luxury, men do not. Someone has to be strong
Repressing emotions is not a sign of strength
Hello time traveler from 2015, we've since put that make-believe nonsense to rest in this future.
Hey that's the year I graduated from highschool
Because men will always want to be better than other men. This is what makes some men great. It's also what makes other men cunts. Competition isn't always a bad thing.
Don't knows. If something makes me emotional I have no problem crying
Women invented toxic masculinity to weaken men, toxic masculinity tells men to get off the couch crying and gaming and get to work
actually toxic masculinity teaches men to suppress emotions instead of dealing with them, causing a lack of emotional intelligence which negatively impact the relationships that they have with their significant others.
Guys with low emotional intelligence need shroom therapy
Most of them haven't even experienced extreme emotions
It's not that they're being told to suppress them
Of anything a man crying shows he's a man and a normal human being, if a real man doesn't cry etc then he's a cols hearted son of a bitch
It's been that way forever it's gonna take a lot longer than 1/2 generations to make any significant change
Done by transgender men, girls with rubber phalus add ons, as revenge on cisgender females.
So you think that repressing emotions and ignoring the mental health of half the population is a good thing?
I don't know how to feel about this one. I'm different as a guy.. I was born with adhd so Im hypersensitivity to emotion and have emotional disregulation. Its how my brain is wired. How can I stop being myself?
"Toxic masculinity" by your standards has never been less prevalent.
no my standards, it's the literal deffinition
There's no coherent agreed upon definition of toxic masculinity.
But it's not by the APA, the APA has a way huger list than this, do you wanna know how deep your rabbit hole goes?
www.apa.org/.../harmful-masculinity
"toughness, stoicism, heterosexism, self-sufficient attitudes and lack of emotional sensitivity (Wall & Kristjanson, 2005), and of connectedness." One of their definitions
And then, right bellow, the contradiction:
"Poor behavioral control, e. g., overly sexualized attitudes and behavior (Cleveland, Herrera & Stuewig, 2003)."
www.apa.org/.../boys-men-practice-guidelines.pdf
Here's a statement with their definiton of traditional masculinity:
"When we report that some aspects of “traditional masculinity” are potentially harmful, we are referring to a belief system held by a few that associates masculinity with extreme behaviors that harm self and others. It is the extreme stereotypical behaviors — not simply being male or a “traditional male” — that may result in negative outcomes. For example, people who believe that to be a “real man” is to get needs met through violence, dominance over others, or extreme restriction of emotions are at risk for poor physical, psychological, and social outcomes (e. g., increased risk for cardiovascular disease, social isolation, depression relationship distress, etc.).
When a man believes that he must be successful no matter who is harmed or his masculinity is expressed by being sexually abusive, disrespectful, and harmful to others, that man is conforming to the negative aspects associated with traditional masculinity."
web.archive.org/.../ Here's the link.
Women like men like that, so they get impregnated by them, marry them, and show through their actions (which matter way more than their words) that those traits are good.
my brother express himself in very subtle ways, I've learned to pick up on it