"Toxic masculinity" doesn't exist, it is a sexist slur used by man-hating feminists (this is why they never use the phrase "Toxic Femininity" because they believe women are infallible).
Masculinity is perfect, there's nothing wrong with it, toxic traits like those you described (repressing emotion, an obsessive fear of powerlessness, etc.) are ALL present in women. Literally no one can name a "Toxic" trait only prevalent in men, because they don't exist. Toxicity is not associated with sex.
"involves cultural pressures for men to behave in a certain way"
Most of these pressure come from Women, Men only enforce them because they know what happens to Men who don't conform.
you can me masculine with out being toxic... the two are not synonymous. Emotions are a human condition and teaching any one that repressing them makes them stronger or worthier is wrong.
Of course you can be masculine without being toxic, Mascuilnity is perfect on it's own, it is not toxic.
"Toxic Masculinity" translates directly to "I hate men, I think men are uniquely toxic".
No trait you described is unique to Men, women have ALL those traits, I've known many many women who repress their emotions until their breaking point and then have outbursts.
Stop demonizing men, and admit that it's not a gendered issue.
Funny the same traits that women say are “toxic masculinity” are the same traits that turn most of them on.
I can still remember the ONLY time I cried in front of my ex. It was a few weeks after she broke up with me and we had to meet for for business purposes. I kept it profesional but towards the end I looked at her and suddenly my eyes watered up and I blurted out “I miss talking to you”.
She then proceeding to give me one of the worst insults I’ve ever taken in my life from a woman. It echos in my mind to this day.
The real reason women say they like emotional men is because it makes them feel better that they are themselves emotional which is deep down selfish intent.
I am so fucking sick of women saying they like this while simultaneously being sexually attracted to the exact opposite. Until you stop friendzoning guys who act this way then just shut the fuck up. Just shut up.
So you don't think that his idea that men need to act tough and avoid showing all emotions can be harmful to their mental health and future relationship with their spouse and children? This is basically the heterosexual double blind. This does a really good job of explaining it.
You know what I wanted to yell, cry and get angry when everything went south with my ex. I wanted to express my true emotions.
But I couldn’t do that because 1) she gets the convenient excuse that I’m “threatening” since just because I’m a man. She set it up by having her roommates boyfriend over to keep an eye on me (made look like a “coincidence”). I never once threatened her or even rose my voice while dating. But still she gets to use this convenient excuse to avoid the mental discomfort of hearing the truth from me.
The number 2 reason is if I cried or yelled it would make her respect me even less.
“Toxic masculinity” exists because of Freudian psychology. Men are going to do what gives them the best chance at getting intimacy, sex and most importantly respect. Straight men are NOT seeking out women just to be “friends with”. We might become friends by happenstance but that is not our modus operandi.
Why don’t your seriously consider some of the feedback you are getting from men here? I realize some of it is nasty but for once seriously try to understand our POV.
Hey.. it's toxic feminity when all girls are emotional and like Barbie... When will society realise it's ok for them to be brave and not cry.. and play with actions man knstea
@dumbazz97 there is a difference between emotional immaturity and repressing emotion the two aren’t mutually exclusive but both have negative impacts on people
As I've said in similar GaG posts, I take contention with the phrase itself, but as a phenomenon there is some validity in that men can grow up associating emotions with weakness. But the causes are not as simple as "masculinity gone toxic", and if you really care about solving the problem (and not just solving the fact that its consequences spill over to affecting women as a byproduct), then you must entertain the possibility that certain women play a contributing role in the causes. A pathology is rarely borne of a single universal source. Such a pathologised notion of manhood typically comes from the net sum of people who influenced a man from his childhood all the way to current day. And since population's split around 50/50, we can safely assume at least half of that accumulated influence comes from women. Not saying that to point fingers, but I'm just saying, it takes all sorts to turn a man "toxic".
What you're talking about is discouraging young men from sitting around moping and feeling sorry for themselves. It has less to do with suppressing one's emotions and more to do with learning to deal with them and move on. You don't have time to process every emotion you're going through. It isn't "toxic," it's reality. Learn to confront it.
Women go for stoic, self centered, dominant, toxic style dudes. They just do. It's subconscious female nature. So I started off feminist, kind, caring, sharing my emotional condition. Being as nice as possible. Guess what? Every woman I acted like that around, ran for the toxic, bully, toxic masculine dude. Every time. Like moths to the flame.
So what was my solution? Act more nasty, self absorbed, uncaring, unconcerned. God help me if I ever show any emotions or be vulnerable now. Especially around women. Guess what? I have zero problem getting women's sustained interest now. I'm the one they leave their nice boyfriends for now. I'm the one they DM when their husbands are out working. I wish it wasn't like this. But you have to do what you gotta do.
I don't. Why would I want to associate with anyone, male or female, who was "stoic, self-centred, dominant and toxic"? Personal experience doesn't establish a general rule, and the only common factor in what happened to you was you, so maybe you're the problem when it comes to your relationships with women.
First of all.. nobody believes men can't show emotion anymore. If I say "let's normalize women voting" everyone would look at me like I'm fucking retarded.. because that would be a fucking retarded thing to say since women are voting all the time now and nobody cares except a minority of neckbeards. Same with men showing emotions.
Second of all, what's wrong with being tough? What's wrong with being an adult and having the stones to own your life? It's retarded that feminists are skeptical of this behavior and men and promote it in women, as if to say that men can't be genuinely tough. Obviously there are naturally submissive men out there but it's not like all tough men are somehow faking it.
it doesn't exist. we used to call this "immaturity" which was a less divisive term and you show you are immature by even using the term "toxic masculinity" and are clearly learning too much from feminists which is a surefire way to end up unhappy in life.
men are different than women. this is biology not culture. men have less emotions and asking us to display things verbally instead of physically is an afront to what we are. There comes a point where i would rather kill something and eat it than talk to it
I don't understand that. I am researching a lot in this and it actually depends on girls mostly as more girls have the mentality that if a boy cries then he is pathetic and all as they think how can they trust a man who needs a shoulder because usually girls are the sensitive ones. Also it depends on boys as boys think it is feminine. It is really sweet of you for understanding this topic as a girls. I thought I was alone in this.
toxic masculinity is a bullshit term that kills masculinity. life is tough. not everyone can afford to be a whiny bitch about everything, or else they will die (for not having food on the table shelter and such). so a "suck it up buttercup" is a survival necessity. if you "untrain" people from having that mentality, you will rise a generation of weak ass bitches that can't survive.
instead of condemning masculinty by labeling it "toxic", take a look at the problem it's trying to fix and think good and hard about if it is actually fixing a real problem or not before you speak about "how oh so bad" it is.
men built the roads that you walk on. men built be buildings that you live in. men fought for the rights you have. not because women were "oppressed" but cause women just couldn't do those things... so think twice about putting a bad label about the very thing that gave you everything you have.
there is no toxic masculinity. there's people who have mental issues or behavioral issues. that does not reflect at all "masculinity". that reflects problems of an individual, not with "men in general". if that wasn't clear enough: i massively disagree with the word "toxic masculinity", because it's inaccurate and has opened the doors for oppression of men and is destructing the male role model by replacing it with feminine stuff that even girls want in men.
let's take an example. women say men should be more emotional. yet no girl wants a crybaby man. a man is expected to only cry when their dog, their parents of their wife died. not when they are emotionally distressed, burned out or depressed. you will litterally see girls leave men that do that.
so it is an illusion to think that the male role model is problematic. we live in a more and more cut-throat world where survival will become difficult soon enough thanks to the global political agenda. and if you now start taking away from men what made men able to survive, then you kill the future of humanity.
did you even notice that we also killed femininity in the same way? a woman that has children and cares for those children is considered a failure in todays society... unless she also managed to have a CEO career... never mind if their children have no connection to their parents and are neglected and aimless in life... that's the new template for female success.
it baffles me tha nobody sees the massive issues we create by demonizing how men and women naturally are by trying to make them something that they just aren't...
@genericname85 You are 100% right. If we let the anti masculinity crowd have their way we would al be living in the forest like wild animals. Not even at the level of amazon tribes but below that because those tribes have men protecting and leading their communities.
@hahahmm we wouldn't live in tribes. we'd just die out, cause women don't wanna have sex with that type of man and that type of man can't survive anyway.
same with the female role that was destroyed by feminism. that's why fertility rates in the western world are critically low.
I find nothing wrong or unattractive about a man showing and sharing and being open about his emotions. It makes me feel more comfortable to be more myself around them, but if they’re constantly crying and wining and negative about life and not trying to do anything about it, that’s not sexy
No.. I’m in a situation now with a girl who is spending all her money on stupid things and then complains that she has no money on important things.. that’s my example.. like I’m a listener and I hurt when my people hurt, and sometimes I need someone to understand me and hear me out without their advice.. I was just saying how some people will constantly complain about the same thing but they keep doing the same thing to keep them from doing the thing they wanna do
It’s not repressed emotions it’s controlled there’s a difference boys are told not to cry not because they shouldn’t because we are all human and we cry we’re supposed to but boys are taught what you call toxic masculinity because they need self control and discipline if guys let their emotions get the better of them I’m positive homicides rape and all types of crimes would skyrocket we have 20x more testosterone than females that stuff makes you angry and horny asf it’s not toxic little boys need it to be proper men
Times were tougher in the past and tougher times requires and creates tougher men. And by tougher I also mean more emotionally hardened. So it's that old conditioning that still prevails and is seen as toxic masculinity because it's not that needed anymore.
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I don't understand why you' girls don't understand it's not in our nature to cry... That's why you don't see men crying.. because we don't feel like it... We're fixers.. if there's a problem... We know crying won't solve anything, so we fix it instead... That's how we deal with problems.. it's just in our DNA... No man are holding back tears that we wanna let out... Maybe a few guys are that are scared of judgement.. well that's their problem... If they're too scared to cry in fear of judgement... Well then they're cowards for holding tears... If I wanted to cry I would... It's jus that most men don't feel the need to cry, understand? I'm tired of girls posting stuff like this... WE DONT WANT TO CRY
we would. literally have to force ourselves to cry.. and what's the point of that?
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Also were jus not as emotional as girls... If you want all men to be feminine and emotional and cry all the time... Dream on... That's not in our genetic code but you can keep dreaming for that day... Why don't you just find a gay boyfriend? I'm sure they have no problem crying... someone like James charles
Imagine a guy who is scared to go in a dark house cos he's scared of Ghost and he comes running to you crying to sleep on your bed at age of 30 because he's "scared". Is that really how you want men to be? Sometimes it's good to tell me to man up and be tough... Encouraging them to be weak cowards is not good for anyone
No that’s not what I am saying I’m saying that we should address an issue that effects primarily men , which makes them feel like addressing mental health issues and emotional intimacy issues is so how weak, why do think that so many men commit suicide?
Seriously.. even in your pic it says "be a man" and that pic is suppose to be your idea of "toxic masculinity" So basically what you want is for men to stop "being a man" and "stop being tough". Trust me... Maybe you don't even realise that's what your saying.. but by posting that pic.. it's what you're saying... That you want guys to act feminine
That's like saying woman are pressured to act girly and feminine and that their is toxic feminity... Because if a girl dresses like a man.. I bet she too would be ostrizised by the female community and shamed and called a lesbian... But how comes no one ever mentions that? No one ever mentions toxic feminity? It's only the men that are toxic?
No one is calling men toxic, but what is toxic is teaching boys that their mental health isn’t important. That you have to repress your emotions other wise you’re seen as weak or feminine. That isn’t unmanly to emotionally vulnerable or learn how to work through those problems instead of brushing them under the rug.
You’re a moron. Have you ever consider the possibility that men might have different behavior than women? Maybe, just possibly, men are wired a little different than women and they aren’t acting or caving to your imaginary societal pressure. Maybe that’s just who they are, and you need to get over your control issues and stop trying to change people.
It is rare. You either perceive regular masculinity as toxic, or perhaps you live in some backwards area. Around me, most men are fairly nice and friendly people who can be vulnerable sometimes but confident and assertive otherwise. I had male friends open up in ways no woman would even dare to. Maybe it's just me being a good influence, but I doubt it.
when I think of my family, my relatives, my friends... my street, acquaintances... then is not prevalent at all... "systematic toxic masculinity" is just not a thing
there are some cases here and there, but they're toxic people in general... and not just "masculine men"
but again... this is my very own experience and my actual real life
I think it is because we are talking about something that is very deeply rooted and has been around for a very longtime. So it is a change that isn't going remotely easy to implement and it will take a long time to implement. Because of this the issue where the worst enemy is time. Because time can wear on everyone and cause everyone to wonder of what they are doing is worth doing.
Because mothers and fathers still push it. You have no idea how many times, IN PUBLIC NO LESS, i have heard a mother tell her son "Big boys dont cry" Or the ever popular "Man up" or the abusive "If you dont stop crying i will give you something to cry about". Or fathers telling their sons that they dont want a sissy boy if they are found to be cooking, or doing crafts and the like.
It’s not going anywhere anytime soon I mean men are aggressive and throw in life bullshit and then sometimes we got let off some steam and man if alcohol is involved look out plus sometimes it’s fun to be a little rough and wild and a lot of people would consider it toxic. Of course I’m talking about bar fights doing stupid shit on a dare mostly fighting I guess. That kind of stuff not like controlling or abusing women or that kinda toxic shit
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"Toxic masculinity" doesn't exist, it is a sexist slur used by man-hating feminists (this is why they never use the phrase "Toxic Femininity" because they believe women are infallible).
Masculinity is perfect, there's nothing wrong with it, toxic traits like those you described (repressing emotion, an obsessive fear of powerlessness, etc.) are ALL present in women. Literally no one can name a "Toxic" trait only prevalent in men, because they don't exist. Toxicity is not associated with sex.
"involves cultural pressures for men to behave in a certain way"
Most of these pressure come from Women, Men only enforce them because they know what happens to Men who don't conform.
you can me masculine with out being toxic... the two are not synonymous. Emotions are a human condition and teaching any one that repressing them makes them stronger or worthier is wrong.
Of course you can be masculine without being toxic, Mascuilnity is perfect on it's own, it is not toxic.
"Toxic Masculinity" translates directly to "I hate men, I think men are uniquely toxic".
No trait you described is unique to Men, women have ALL those traits, I've known many many women who repress their emotions until their breaking point and then have outbursts.
Stop demonizing men, and admit that it's not a gendered issue.
Funny the same traits that women say are “toxic masculinity” are the same traits that turn most of them on.
I can still remember the ONLY time I cried in front of my ex. It was a few weeks after she broke up with me and we had to meet for for business purposes. I kept it profesional but towards the end I looked at her and suddenly my eyes watered up and I blurted out “I miss talking to you”.
She then proceeding to give me one of the worst insults I’ve ever taken in my life from a woman. It echos in my mind to this day.
The real reason women say they like emotional men is because it makes them feel better that they are themselves emotional which is deep down selfish intent.
I am so fucking sick of women saying they like this while simultaneously being sexually attracted to the exact opposite. Until you stop friendzoning guys who act this way then just shut the fuck up. Just shut up.
So you don't think that his idea that men need to act tough and avoid showing all emotions can be harmful to their mental health and future relationship with their spouse and children? This is basically the heterosexual double blind. This does a really good job of explaining it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gKaNlDxJEw&t=4s
You know what I wanted to yell, cry and get angry when everything went south with my ex. I wanted to express my true emotions.
But I couldn’t do that because 1) she gets the convenient excuse that I’m “threatening” since just because I’m a man. She set it up by having her roommates boyfriend over to keep an eye on me (made look like a “coincidence”). I never once threatened her or even rose my voice while dating. But still she gets to use this convenient excuse to avoid the mental discomfort of hearing the truth from me.
The number 2 reason is if I cried or yelled it would make her respect me even less.
“Toxic masculinity” exists because of Freudian psychology. Men are going to do what gives them the best chance at getting intimacy, sex and most importantly respect. Straight men are NOT seeking out women just to be “friends with”. We might become friends by happenstance but that is not our modus operandi.
Why don’t your seriously consider some of the feedback you are getting from men here? I realize some of it is nasty but for once seriously try to understand our POV.
Hey.. it's toxic feminity when all girls are emotional and like Barbie... When will society realise it's ok for them to be brave and not cry.. and play with actions man knstea
@dumbazz97 there is a difference between emotional immaturity and repressing emotion the two aren’t mutually exclusive but both have negative impacts on people
As I've said in similar GaG posts, I take contention with the phrase itself, but as a phenomenon there is some validity in that men can grow up associating emotions with weakness. But the causes are not as simple as "masculinity gone toxic", and if you really care about solving the problem (and not just solving the fact that its consequences spill over to affecting women as a byproduct), then you must entertain the possibility that certain women play a contributing role in the causes. A pathology is rarely borne of a single universal source. Such a pathologised notion of manhood typically comes from the net sum of people who influenced a man from his childhood all the way to current day. And since population's split around 50/50, we can safely assume at least half of that accumulated influence comes from women. Not saying that to point fingers, but I'm just saying, it takes all sorts to turn a man "toxic".
What you're talking about is discouraging young men from sitting around moping and feeling sorry for themselves. It has less to do with suppressing one's emotions and more to do with learning to deal with them and move on. You don't have time to process every emotion you're going through. It isn't "toxic," it's reality. Learn to confront it.
Women go for stoic, self centered, dominant, toxic style dudes. They just do. It's subconscious female nature. So I started off feminist, kind, caring, sharing my emotional condition. Being as nice as possible. Guess what? Every woman I acted like that around, ran for the toxic, bully, toxic masculine dude. Every time. Like moths to the flame.
So what was my solution? Act more nasty, self absorbed, uncaring, unconcerned. God help me if I ever show any emotions or be vulnerable now. Especially around women. Guess what? I have zero problem getting women's sustained interest now. I'm the one they leave their nice boyfriends for now. I'm the one they DM when their husbands are out working. I wish it wasn't like this. But you have to do what you gotta do.
I don't. Why would I want to associate with anyone, male or female, who was "stoic, self-centred, dominant and toxic"? Personal experience doesn't establish a general rule, and the only common factor in what happened to you was you, so maybe you're the problem when it comes to your relationships with women.
First of all.. nobody believes men can't show emotion anymore. If I say "let's normalize women voting" everyone would look at me like I'm fucking retarded.. because that would be a fucking retarded thing to say since women are voting all the time now and nobody cares except a minority of neckbeards. Same with men showing emotions.
Second of all, what's wrong with being tough? What's wrong with being an adult and having the stones to own your life? It's retarded that feminists are skeptical of this behavior and men and promote it in women, as if to say that men can't be genuinely tough. Obviously there are naturally submissive men out there but it's not like all tough men are somehow faking it.
it doesn't exist. we used to call this "immaturity" which was a less divisive term and you show you are immature by even using the term "toxic masculinity" and are clearly learning too much from feminists which is a surefire way to end up unhappy in life.
men are different than women. this is biology not culture. men have less emotions and asking us to display things verbally instead of physically is an afront to what we are. There comes a point where i would rather kill something and eat it than talk to it
So you’re saying men can handle their emotions a lot better than women? Not trying to be rude, just looking to understand
@Rachel794 yes i think men are better at regulating their emotions but i also think they literally have less emotions to regulate
Ah got it! I always knew men were robots lol
Jk, I understand your point and we’re cool
You sure as fuck won’t see a guy go weepy gushy over a shoe sale at Dillard….
I don't understand that. I am researching a lot in this and it actually depends on girls mostly as more girls have the mentality that if a boy cries then he is pathetic and all as they think how can they trust a man who needs a shoulder because usually girls are the sensitive ones. Also it depends on boys as boys think it is feminine. It is really sweet of you for understanding this topic as a girls. I thought I was alone in this.
This might help your research in the how and why for that difference.
www.youtube.com/watch
toxic masculinity is a bullshit term that kills masculinity. life is tough. not everyone can afford to be a whiny bitch about everything, or else they will die (for not having food on the table shelter and such). so a "suck it up buttercup" is a survival necessity. if you "untrain" people from having that mentality, you will rise a generation of weak ass bitches that can't survive.
instead of condemning masculinty by labeling it "toxic", take a look at the problem it's trying to fix and think good and hard about if it is actually fixing a real problem or not before you speak about "how oh so bad" it is.
men built the roads that you walk on. men built be buildings that you live in. men fought for the rights you have. not because women were "oppressed" but cause women just couldn't do those things... so think twice about putting a bad label about the very thing that gave you everything you have.
you can be masculine with out perpetuating toxicity...
there is no toxic masculinity. there's people who have mental issues or behavioral issues. that does not reflect at all "masculinity". that reflects problems of an individual, not with "men in general". if that wasn't clear enough: i massively disagree with the word "toxic masculinity", because it's inaccurate and has opened the doors for oppression of men and is destructing the male role model by replacing it with feminine stuff that even girls want in men.
let's take an example. women say men should be more emotional. yet no girl wants a crybaby man. a man is expected to only cry when their dog, their parents of their wife died. not when they are emotionally distressed, burned out or depressed. you will litterally see girls leave men that do that.
so it is an illusion to think that the male role model is problematic. we live in a more and more cut-throat world where survival will become difficult soon enough thanks to the global political agenda. and if you now start taking away from men what made men able to survive, then you kill the future of humanity.
did you even notice that we also killed femininity in the same way? a woman that has children and cares for those children is considered a failure in todays society... unless she also managed to have a CEO career... never mind if their children have no connection to their parents and are neglected and aimless in life... that's the new template for female success.
it baffles me tha nobody sees the massive issues we create by demonizing how men and women naturally are by trying to make them something that they just aren't...
*that not even girls want in men
@genericname85 You are 100% right. If we let the anti masculinity crowd have their way we would al be living in the forest like wild animals. Not even at the level of amazon tribes but below that because those tribes have men protecting and leading their communities.
@hahahmm we wouldn't live in tribes. we'd just die out, cause women don't wanna have sex with that type of man and that type of man can't survive anyway.
same with the female role that was destroyed by feminism. that's why fertility rates in the western world are critically low.
I find nothing wrong or unattractive about a man showing and sharing and being open about his emotions. It makes me feel more comfortable to be more myself around them, but if they’re constantly crying and wining and negative about life and not trying to do anything about it, that’s not sexy
Well I'm sorry you don't find human emotions sexy
@devilman666 yeah but emotional intimacy with a partner or spouse is
In your dreams it does, in reality it just comes off ss whiny
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@devilman666 no actually it doesn't
“ Well I'm sorry you don't find human emotions sexy” …when they complain but not try to improve themselves*
Like don’t tell me your problems unless you take my advice
Right back at you then. Don't complaim to your friends or husband unless you want advice.
@devilman666 some people have never experience real emotional intimacy and it shows.
No.. I’m in a situation now with a girl who is spending all her money on stupid things and then complains that she has no money on important things.. that’s my example.. like I’m a listener and I hurt when my people hurt, and sometimes I need someone to understand me and hear me out without their advice.. I was just saying how some people will constantly complain about the same thing but they keep doing the same thing to keep them from doing the thing they wanna do
*sigh*
It’s not repressed emotions it’s controlled there’s a difference boys are told not to cry not because they shouldn’t because we are all human and we cry we’re supposed to but boys are taught what you call toxic masculinity because they need self control and discipline if guys let their emotions get the better of them I’m positive homicides rape and all types of crimes would skyrocket we have 20x more testosterone than females that stuff makes you angry and horny asf it’s not toxic little boys need it to be proper men
Yeah that is a difference between control and repression though
Because men do not talk about being masculine and when I created a take on masculine traits, the biggest whiners were the "males" here.
I simply dismissed the women because they can't tell me how to be a man.
What Are Masculine Traits?
Times were tougher in the past and tougher times requires and creates tougher men. And by tougher I also mean more emotionally hardened. So it's that old conditioning that still prevails and is seen as toxic masculinity because it's not that needed anymore.
I don't understand why you' girls don't understand it's not in our nature to cry... That's why you don't see men crying.. because we don't feel like it... We're fixers.. if there's a problem... We know crying won't solve anything, so we fix it instead... That's how we deal with problems.. it's just in our DNA... No man are holding back tears that we wanna let out... Maybe a few guys are that are scared of judgement.. well that's their problem... If they're too scared to cry in fear of judgement... Well then they're cowards for holding tears... If I wanted to cry I would... It's jus that most men don't feel the need to cry, understand?
I'm tired of girls posting stuff like this... WE DONT WANT TO CRY
we would. literally have to force ourselves to cry.. and what's the point of that?
Also were jus not as emotional as girls... If you want all men to be feminine and emotional and cry all the time... Dream on... That's not in our genetic code but you can keep dreaming for that day... Why don't you just find a gay boyfriend? I'm sure they have no problem crying... someone like James charles
Imagine a guy who is scared to go in a dark house cos he's scared of Ghost and he comes running to you crying to sleep on your bed at age of 30 because he's "scared". Is that really how you want men to be?
Sometimes it's good to tell me to man up and be tough... Encouraging them to be weak cowards is not good for anyone
Congratulations, you just missed the whole point
Nope, I see exactly what your saying... You want all men to stop doing manly stuff and act like girls... Never gonna happen
No that’s not what I am saying I’m saying that we should address an issue that effects primarily men , which makes them feel like addressing mental health issues and emotional intimacy issues is so how weak, why do think that so many men commit suicide?
Seriously.. even in your pic it says "be a man" and that pic is suppose to be your idea of "toxic masculinity"
So basically what you want is for men to stop "being a man" and "stop being tough". Trust me... Maybe you don't even realise that's what your saying.. but by posting that pic.. it's what you're saying... That you want guys to act feminine
Why don't you girls start playing with action man... It's toxic feminity to wear pink
That's like saying woman are pressured to act girly and feminine and that their is toxic feminity... Because if a girl dresses like a man.. I bet she too would be ostrizised by the female community and shamed and called a lesbian... But how comes no one ever mentions that? No one ever mentions toxic feminity?
It's only the men that are toxic?
I wonder who started this trend that "men are toxic". Bet if was a feminazi
No one is calling men toxic, but what is toxic is teaching boys that their mental health isn’t important. That you have to repress your emotions other wise you’re seen as weak or feminine. That isn’t unmanly to emotionally vulnerable or learn how to work through those problems instead of brushing them under the rug.
You’re a moron. Have you ever consider the possibility that men might have different behavior than women? Maybe, just possibly, men are wired a little different than women and they aren’t acting or caving to your imaginary societal pressure. Maybe that’s just who they are, and you need to get over your control issues and stop trying to change people.
It is rare. You either perceive regular masculinity as toxic, or perhaps you live in some backwards area. Around me, most men are fairly nice and friendly people who can be vulnerable sometimes but confident and assertive otherwise.
I had male friends open up in ways no woman would even dare to. Maybe it's just me being a good influence, but I doubt it.
when I think of my family, my relatives, my friends... my street, acquaintances... then is not prevalent at all... "systematic toxic masculinity" is just not a thing
there are some cases here and there, but they're toxic people in general... and not just "masculine men"
but again... this is my very own experience and my actual real life
I think it is because we are talking about something that is very deeply rooted and has been around for a very longtime. So it is a change that isn't going remotely easy to implement and it will take a long time to implement. Because of this the issue where the worst enemy is time. Because time can wear on everyone and cause everyone to wonder of what they are doing is worth doing.
Because mothers and fathers still push it. You have no idea how many times, IN PUBLIC NO LESS, i have heard a mother tell her son "Big boys dont cry" Or the ever popular "Man up" or the abusive "If you dont stop crying i will give you something to cry about". Or fathers telling their sons that they dont want a sissy boy if they are found to be cooking, or doing crafts and the like.
Its parents, no more no less.
It’s not going anywhere anytime soon I mean men are aggressive and throw in life bullshit and then sometimes we got let off some steam and man if alcohol is involved look out plus sometimes it’s fun to be a little rough and wild and a lot of people would consider it toxic. Of course I’m talking about bar fights doing stupid shit on a dare mostly fighting I guess. That kind of stuff not like controlling or abusing women or that kinda toxic shit