Biden wants to PAY the undocumented 450k. Instead of Americans in need, is this right?

[Anonymous]

President Joe Biden, wanting to give undocumented immigrants 450k per person. Instead of helping Americans today. Do you support this & Do you still support the Biden Administration?

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Yeah I support it, but only because this is a settlement. The government is being sued for around 3.4 million per family. This would cap out around 1 million and this is only for families separated from their children which was an absolutely barbaric practice to begin with.

Yes, they should have come in legally, but we could have still detained, put on trial and deported without taking children from their parents and forced into cages and hotel rooms where members of the media were restricted access. I'd rather a smaller payment under a deal rather than spent 3 times that amount by trying to find it and losing it all to a sympathetic judge.

[Asker]

Let's say they do deserve some type of compensation because at the end of the day. They're humans too. But do you think our tax dollars & the current state the U. S. is in should fund who broke the laws who came here? You know if i go to Afghanistan illegally they could cut my head off, imprison me and separate me and my family.

Should we expect their people to PAY? Especially in this pandemic were facing.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Yes. Yes we should. We made the mistake of the barbaric practice. In theory, there is nothing stopping other countries from placing embargoes on us for what they consider civil rights violations. Hell, we have done it to other countries for similar practices. Countries have faced penalties for things done during war.

Us paying 450k to immigrants which is a settlement resolves a lot of potential further issues by showing we made an act of good faith to resolve the situation. In a lot of cases that's all other countries need as an excuse to placate their citizens.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

But if it makes everyone feel better then you can always tie additional conditions to it.

For example, waive your right to ever become a citizen of the US or to even apply or maybe break those payments out instead of doing one lump sum but if they want a lump sum then they take a reduced amount (let's say around 300k).

You can always find a way to work this back in our favor while making amends for the practice of separating and in some cases losing track of families we have detained.

[Asker]

So damn our own people and pay non-citzens for breaking the law & in turn our homeless stay homeless, our vets stay suicidal & our people stay underpaid where they can't afford to have housing. Just to pay the undocumented because of "barbaric" treatment in a country they entered illegally. Im sure Central America & South America will do the same for you once the U. S turns 3rd world & you will need to go because of how people like you think & vote into office and defend. Since Canada locks theirs borders down hard-core, they won't be an option. Good Luck my fellow American.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Bad opinion. Our government is already screwing us over and not agreeing to help us out fully. Republicans and 2 corporate democrats are already saying "damn the American people" so please let's not play victim to us paying for our crimes.

If you want to be like other countries where practices like that are acceptable, I formally invite you to go. However, I live in a country that likes to believe it is capable of being the gold standard. So let's act like it. Let's be better than those countries and do right by our mistakes. Lets show people that being an American means doing better, not stooping to the lowest common denominator with other countries where beheading is ok.

As for your social programs you've listed off, I'm absolutely in favor of those things. However, those things weren't happening even with us not paying people so let's not pretend this is going to have an effect on them in the slightest.

[Pterodon]

A settlement to lawbreakers. Gtfo

[Pterodon]

Trump separated the children because that was the law at the time. A law he didn’t make. He put them in shelters Obama built for that very purpose

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Congratulations, now you just proved my case that this country is guilty not just one person. So thanks for your help!

[Pterodon]

The law was put in place by Obama to stop child trafficking. They separated the children to find out if the adults they were accompanied with were traffickers. What do you think now?

[Pterodon]

You liberals hate your own laws when they’re followed don’t you?

[Pterodon]

It was Trump that changed Obama’s separation law wasn’t it?

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Lol why are you going on about Trump vs Obama? I'm not a liberal lmao

[Ez-Bri-Z]

The government no matter who was in charge did evil things. Now as a country we need to pay for it. You just proved that we should because it wasn't just one of our presidents responsible for it.

[Pterodon]

Does it matter they weren’t innocent like the American Japanese that were interned but people breaking the law by entering the country illegally? Does the word illegal mean anything to you? Do you even know the definition?

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Let me fix something really quick here. If you wanna debate with me, fine. I love debate and will gladly do it with you.

If you want to continue this debate however you are gonna do so respectfully. Im not your enemy here but I can become one very quickly.

Now, to reset this.

Yes, I know what illegal is. I dont care if they were illegal or illegal, you still don't separate innocent children from their parents who are just trying to seek a better life. A life we all had handed to us because geographically we won the lottery compared to them.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Legal or illegal *

[Pterodon]

You just said it. You don’t care if they’re illegal. Do you understand what I can do to you with that legally?

[Ez-Bri-Z]

I care that they are here illegally what bothers me is that despite their status, we treated them like animals and not human beings.

And you can't do a thing to me legally so please stop your internet posturing.

[Pterodon]

Who ordered them separated? Answer me

[Pterodon]

The very people that ordered them separated is now wanting to pay them yet blame it on someone else. What do you think of that?

[Pterodon]

Is it too horrendous for you to admit just like the German civilians when they were shown the Nazi death camps happening in their own back yard?

[exitseven]

So we are giving tax dollars to reward people for breaking the law. Can I get that same deal? In Biden's America it is the citizens that are second class.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Again, I dont care who did it. You keep asking to point fingers and im telling you all of them are responsible. Im not defending Biden, Trump or Obama. All have guilt stained on them

My only concern is the children and their affected families.

[Pterodon]

You’re wrong. Only one party has responsibility. Now I want to hear it out of your own mouth. Who was responsible for separating children? Trump for FOLLOWING A LAW PUT IN PLACE BY OBAMA or Obama? If you’ll remember Trump overturned Obama’s law didn’t he? Yet biden is wanting to pay reparations under Obama’s law and blame it on Trump. What do you think of that? Tell me who is most evil

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Lol does this routine work on people around you? Just get all demanding and someone ends up breaking? If Trump over turned it then it wouldn't have happened during his presidency. It did. All three are guilty.

The government should and will pay. Case closed.

@exitseven actually people get paid for breaking the law all the time here and get paid. doesn't make it right but let's pretend it doesn't happen. Also let's also not pretend we are just paying random people. We are making reparations for families we tore apart

[Pterodon]

You still haven’t said who was responsible

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Then you aren't reading what I'm writing

[Pterodon]

Oh I’m reading it YOU WILL STATE WHO IS ULTIMATELY AT FAULT RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW. Obama for making the law and building the the shelters for separated children that he wanted or Trump for following Obama’s law and putting them in the shelters Obama built for that very purpose and that Trump overturned? Which is it? Who is ultimately responsible?

[Pterodon]

I’ve asked you point blank questions who is ultimately responsible but you don’t want to answer me. I’m going to dog you till you answer my question

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Lmao my gosh here and DM's you are just being really demanding and it isn't going to get you a thing.

You send empty threats about legal actions and dogging me on this site and it still hasn't worked. If anything, this is making it more fun for me because I feel like I can just see cartoonish steam coming from your ears.

Ok tell me this, are you shaking your fist a lot and cursing my name too?

Tell you what, you want an answer from me that is gonna make you happy? Ask me REALLY nicely. Like I need a full on pretty please and somewhere around a 250 word response explaining to me in the nicest possible way why I should continue to entertain you when you are already doing a terrific job entertaining me.

[zagor]

Invaders have no rights. They never should be allowed in in the first place. Immigration was one of the few things Trump had correct. If the gov't goes for this maybe it is time to quit paying taxes.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Maybe familiarize yourself with our laws a little better. Even those who don't have citizenship in our country have legal rights. For example, the right to remain silent and to have access to an attorney to name a few. They also have a right not to have their person or belongings searched without probable cause. Why do you think some of them were being lured on to private property by our border agents?

Also, let's not pretend that your xenophobia and racism isn't showing in that statement. You want to hold hate in your heart then that's your loss, but it makes you look bad, not me. I seriously doubt you are up in arms if Canadians were heading this way en masse.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

What all of you aren't getting so far in this thread who are attempting to debate with me is that if they were just coming into our country and we deported them I'm a-ok with that. Apply like everyone else and get in legally. (Although admittedly we have priced out a lot of people and the time it takes is ridiculous).

If we detain these families together give them access to an attorney within the legally retired time frame, again I have no problem.

When you take children from their parents, lose track of those familial ties leaving over 500 children without their parents (possibly for life), traumatize thousands of children to hate our country and grow up resenting us (possibly radicalizing future terrorists), have border agents intentionally lure people onto private property just to violate a person's rights, and have the world calling us out for civil rights violations then you know we have gone too far. That's where a country needs to atone for its sins.

[zagor]

Actually when you enter the country no probable cause is needed to be searched, regardless if you are a citizen or not. Customs agents may peep up your bunghole without warrant or reason. The fact that you are crossing the border is sufficient.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Actually, no.

When stopped at a border checkpoint they don't even need probable cause to search, however, away from the border checkpoints they are restricted to probable cause. For example, if a person is walking down a major highway who came across the border, the officer CANNOT search them without probable cause.

www.aclu.org/.../

[Pterodon]

They shouldn’t have been here in the first place and they knew they would be separated but came anyway so fuck em

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Sorry, but my heart isn't closed off like it seems to be for a lot of people here. I have 0 problem with people coming here to seek asylum from worse and in some cases deadly conditions. You best believe if my kids lives were in danger where I live, I am finding a better life for them too.

[Pterodon]

I don’t mind them doing it legally. But when they invade and bust down my door that’s when I get pissed. Not only that they were living in Chile mostly for the past several years with no problems at all. The ONLY reason they came is because of biden. So fuck your bleeding heart. If they put as much effort into changing their own country as they do invading mine they’d be a lot better off. We are not the worlds babysitter nor can we take care of everyone. That money can be spent on our own homeless and hungry but you don’t give a fuck about them. Your priorities are fucked up. You really gonna starve your own kids to feed someone else?

[zagor]

That could apply to about a billion people on the planet. Should we open our doors to a billion people because they are in hard times? At some point they need to fight back against those who make their own country unlivable. It would make more sense to arm them and send them home.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

@Pterodon why would my kids starve? My wife and I have jobs that pay well. We have more than enough to take care of them.

You are slipping back into that angry territory again after trying to be so nice in DM. It still doesn't work with me, so maybe tone down the rhetoric.

@zagor yeah, yeah we should. That's the whole point of allowing people seek asylum and eventually citizenship. It doesn't mean we let a billion in, but we should allow them an opportunity to try. We tried that whole arming them, training them and then telling them to fend for themselves thing, several times. Our latest attempt led to the mess in Afghanistan or perhaps you weren't paying attention?

[Pterodon]

Piss on you. I will not allow someone breaking into my country illegally

[Ez-Bri-Z]

@Pterodon Lmao, child. That's what you are sounding like right now anyway. You rage and rage and stomp your foot when you don't get your way. You call people names and try to act tougher than you really are and, as a mother of 2, I see right through your posturing.

Grow up and talk like an actual civil adult before I continue with you.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

And until you are ready to talk nicely, you don't get a seat at the adult table to talk with the rest of us, ok sweetie? Now go toddle along and play with your toys and let the grown ups debate.

[Asker]

@ez-bri-z it makes sense now your apart of the LGBTQ+ community since you mentioned having a wife. I now know you're just a wild SJW & that's why you think the way you do. Backwards just backwards.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Nope, wrong. I am a centrist politically. I am pro lgbt and womens rights and pro education spending, yes, but I am also against government overreach and prefer a smaller government, less spending in our social programs and am pro military. Those are just a few examples of how I take things from both sides of the aisle.

The problem I have here is that while you are all xenophobic and racist, I am not. I also realize the entire country expanded to what it is based on the labor of immigrants of every kind and still runs on it. My sexuality has no effect on me accepting other races and cultures. I just don't hold hate in my heart.

[Asker]

@ez-bri-z funny your pro education spending but... school districts suffer from lack of funding all over the U. S. yet... you rather see that money go into illegals pockets. Could you also explain to me how because none of support law breaking immigrants getting paid over us as citizens makes us racist? Or because i don't agree with the extremist views from the LGBTQ+ community makes me a racist?

Gay is not a color, nationality, race or any of that it's a mindset. If you tell me different then you're just as i said a crazy SJW. So I'm not sure who your calling racist like a typical SJW.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

"funny your pro education spending but... school districts suffer from lack of funding all over the U. S. yet... you rather see that money go into illegals pockets."

Quite the opposite actually. As I said, I don't like how much we spend on social programs. I am trying to limit how much they get by accepting a plea deal for human rights violations. Keep up here.

"Could you also explain to me how because none of support law breaking immigrants getting paid over us as citizens makes us racist?"

Sure thing! I watched for four years how this country took a hard right turn into Xenophobic, nationalist ways. That only really ends up supporting one race after we go that route. I am from a VERY blended community where we don't shun anyone based on race or country of origin. We just like good, hard working people. All this rhetoric was to build a wall to keep out brown skinned people. This wasn't about cracking down on people from other countries overstaying their visas.

"Gay is not a color, nationality, race or any of that it's a mindset."

Absolutely right! So why bring up my sexuality as having anything to do with my stance on this?

[Asker]

Because that community has extreme views so now it makes sense it wasn't an insult. I just now understand where you're coming from. I can't convince you that this has nothing to do with color of brown skinned people. It's about money & bankrupting our country & making foreigners richer then us. You don't see the bigger picture at all you just see race & because of this thought process you will be DEATH of this country.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Ok, let's use common sense and just talk numbers, fair?

Let's look at the outcomes from this:

We fight it and lose - Now instead of being out 900k per family (this plan is limited to one child and parent so they cap out there) we are now out 3.6 million per family instead (the amount we are being sued for). Now yeah, the judge could reduce the amount, but there is a chance that they could raise it too. The expected cap on the plea deal is about 1 billion. So if we lose it all we now pay WAY more and take even more money from our people.

We fight it and win - Hey great! They don't get a thing. We look like *ssholes who separate families, but then we end up in appeals courts for years. We end up spending a ton of money on lawyers and courts so we lose that money anyway.

We take a plea deal - This is how a LOT of court cases work. It saves time and money. Honestly, we wouldn't even need to do this had we just not separated the kids to begin with, but hindsight is 20/20, right?

[Slithers]

You pay tax payer money for government abuses all the time. Compensation for families we bombed on accident. Compensation for people beat or shot by the police that shouldn't have. Hell, in Los Angeles the police accidentally blew up an entire square block trying to detonate illegal fireworks.

People don't see immigrants as human beings in this country, and others. That's a major problem. These aren't illegals, these are human beings. The vast vast vast majority are trying to survive horror any way they can. They want a good life for themselves and their family and Americans have no clue what it's like to live in the countries they come from, so they make statements like "They should do this... They should do that... If it was me I would..." Most Americans have no clue what they would or should do, because they don't know what real oppression is like.

We don't live in Aghanistan, we live in the US. Comparing your country to some barbaric country with a backwards government isn't forward thinking. I could say in Afghanistan they stone women to death, so here it should be okay to not let them go to school on pain of imprisonment. That's a silly conclusion to an even sillier comparison

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Beautifully said. Thank you.

[Asker]

@Slithers i don't care they can revolt & fix their country it's already war torn, and and for central & South American countries, if the Czrtels built an Army then the amount of illegals pileing to the US can too. How did we become separate from the brits we dropped everything and fought. When the Confederate and union disagreednthey fought the union won. It was the damn people! We owe Afghanis nothingnit's not our fault those people can't get right, we built them. a whole FORCE for years and they bowed down to the Taliban over religon. They have neighboring countries they can run too. Fuck them getting nice condos in Cali over regular Americans. I will never respect illegals.

[Slithers]

Did you, yourself, fight in the American Revolution? Have you ever tried to start an insurgency? I find it funny how simplistic the solution seems to be for people who dehumanize immigrants. Just start a revolution! Easy as that, except you yourself haven't done anything even close to that grand, and never will. Most people won't and have no ability to. The men or women who can lead a successful insurgency against an oppressive government are so few and far between it's an extreme rarity. They end up in the history books.

For the rest of the people who aren't made to make history, you included, the choice is to suffer and die, or be a refugee. If it was you I guarantee you would run to the US given the chance.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

100% they would run. Its easy to be the internet tough guy who swears that if a revolution broke out here they'd be on the front lines, defending (or destroying) this country, but in practice they aren't leaving their computer chair.

[Pterodon]

@Slithers they are illegals. They enter the country illegally and if you do something illegally that makes you a criminal period. Even if you are speeding you’re a criminal punishable by law. Understand? Now I want you to explain how you want to pay criminals $450,000 for entering my country because they entered illegally yet our own service men and women that die in combat families only get $100,000?

[Slithers]

@Pterodon It's interesting you use the words 'illegals' as if they are something other than human. It makes you feel better about letting them suffer.

The reality is these are families fleeing for their lives, and you are acting like they are equivalent to a bank robber. It says more about you than it does about them.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Well, it's my country too so I'm cool with then coming here and seeking asylum.

As for why service members only get 100k, while any death is tragic, are US citizens who signed up knowing the risks and rewards.

[Asker]

@Slithers yeah you're a crazy SJW, your to busy having white guilt instead of opening your eyes and pretending we owe abuncha of illegals our country and money who broke laws. Someone can grow up in the US in poverty and then sale drugs, should we award them for that crime cause some of us don't know what poverty is? Biggest joke ever reward lsw breakers cause their area is baaaad. Gas prices are HIGH AF, food prices are high af
Clearly this country can't afford these people but you Crazy liberals think money grows on trees your crazy, you really are CRAZY!

[Pterodon]

@Slithers they’re not fleeing from anything. They’ve been in Chile for many years with no problems. I don’t care if they immigrate legally but when they they break down my door and ignore my laws I have a problem with that and yes they enter my country illegally Thayer are illegals so fuck you.

[Pterodon]

As long as it’s legal

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Lol the entitlement on your ends is REAL. "My country." "My laws."

These people aren't suing because they got arrested for entering illegally. This plea deal is for those who had their children stripped away from them and then thrown into cages like animals.

I mean, if you were to end up in another country and your children were ripped from your arms and you weren't given access to them or a lawyer for MONTHS, then told you'll never see them again because that country's government made a filing error or something, I am fairly certain you'd be seeking justice too.

[Asker]

@ez-bri-z i would never put my family in that situation trying to enter illegally. They broke a law and they got separated. Do i agree NO but do i think we should pay them NO fix the standards make sure it doesn't happen. We owe them NOTHING. Especially during a time the US can't afford it & if we van AMERICANs 1ST!!!

[Pterodon]

The law was the law at the time. Period. Remember it was Obama that put the law in place and built the shelters. It was Trump that followed Obama’s law and put them in Obama’s shelters that he built for that purpose. The fact remains. They are illegals and many were not accompanied by parents but traffickers. So you want me as a taxpayer to compensate an illegal for entering my country illegally yet do nothing for my own homeless and hungry countrymen and women? You want me to pay $450,000 to someone invading my country illegally knowing the law that obama made is to separate adults from children to prevent child trafficking yet they invade anyway? You want me to pay that but you won’t pay the same amount for our own homeless and hungry nor will you pay our fallen service men and womens families the same amount? Like I said your priorities are extremely anti American and anti America just like bidens

[Slithers]

You seem to love to throw around labels and you assume a lot. It's the sign of someone who has very low emotional intelligence, and that's ok. You are not alone in that regard.

I'd say comparing fleeing refugees to drug dealers is a sign that you are a black and white thinker. It's either you follow all laws all the time or you are not human. I don't think you have a firm grip on reality or much empathy for other human beings. For you, it's simple. Real life and real human beings are complex. Of course you will never know that, because you are too self absorbed. You can't see things from other people's eyes or sympathize with their plight. Your arrogance makes you think you would do something different, even nobler. In reality you've never been in that situation which makes you a lot weaker. Again, nothing wrong with that, there's plenty of people like that.

[Asker]

@Slithers no you're simply CRAZY!! I'm done with you sheep.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

@Asker we owe them nothing? So every American trapped in Afghanistan right now, should just get screwed over because they are in a country they shouldn't be in? No justice for them?

If our boundary is strictly people illegally in another country then that's what you are saying.

If you say only worry about the Americans and f*ck everyone else, that makes you a nationalist and xenophobic at best.

All I'm saying is that the location doesn't matter. We should still be treating people with some modicum of decency and not punishing children for something completely out of their control.

@Pterodon bruh..
You have got to stop this Obama/Trump argument. You are literally the only one bringing this up. Nobody is saying any president is at fault ( though the correct answer is all 3 of them are). It has NOTHING to do with the main point of we committed atrocities and should be made to atone for them.

My statements are not anti American. If anything it's about as American as you can get. It's the land of freedom and rights and these peoples rights were violated, Illegal or not. It's the land of opportunity and hey, if getting a cash payout isn't opportunity then I dont know what is.

You don't want equal rights. You don't want freedoms. You want everything to be your way and have no accountability for your actions.

Thankfully we don't live in the United States of Jackass, where everything revolves around you.

[Pterodon]

@Slithers and you trying to redefine illegal into being innocent and worthy of of $450,000 proves you’re insane

[Slithers]

Sheep requires you to have no nuance. You simply label everyone outside your views, which you got from someone else, as SJW sheep. It would boggle your mind that someone like myself has a variety of opinions, owns a gun, doesn't like woke culture, and thought Dave Chappelles recent standup was funny. In your mind, everyone has to believe what you've been told is right. Any deviation of that is communist sjw woke bullshit. Your kind of thinking is that of a zealot, which is the most extreme version of sheep.

[Pterodon]

When are you going to take care of vets and our own homeless and hungry with the same emphasis? Yes I bring up Obama’s laws that Trump followed so you can’t blame Trump for making it or following it. You want law and order right? Or not? Which is it?

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Hey, your boy who you seem to have a fetish in trying to bring up over and over in this debate cut so much money that vets rely on for such things such as medicaid during his time in office. If you REALLY cared about veterans you'd be calling him out for stuff like that. That doesn't support your narrative though now does it? He was just an innocent bystander following the laws of his predecessor as of he had no way to stop it via executive order like he did 220 other times.

Seriously, you throw the word sheep around, but maybe you need to see the wolf in sheep's clothing that you seem to be defending here so much.

[Asker]

@Slithers no the way you and @ez-bri-z think is that's going to be THE DEATH of this country.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Or... orrrrr... and hear me out here.

You're being melodramatic.

[Pterodon]

Prove it. He expanded vet care. I know because I’m a vet

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Prove that he cut Medicare? Pick up a news paper.

[Slithers]

What's funny is them calling everyone sheep, but they turn right around licking the boots of some reality TV show host who literally was manipulated by any country that wanted something from us, including North Korea. Even their leader is sheepish. What does that say about them?

I think what also is interesting is how, even on a site where dating advice is given out, Trumpers can't stop crying. They follow like sheep and cry like babies, then project their own weaknesses on other people around them. The self loathing is crystal clear.

[Asker]

Biden flops Afghanistan & leaves Americans behind
Biden got tons of people evicted during the moratorium release, didn't even try to challenge it.
Biden also put out crazy mandates allowing essential workers to be fired or force to quit their jobs. Tons of police, firefighters, ems, dr's and nurses, airline staff, containment workers and more. Now you wanna back him on giving illegals money? You're CRAZY!!!

[Ez-Bri-Z]

What bugs me (and honestly this occurs on both sides) is that their "team" is infallible and their candidate can do no wrong. One side is following a would be dictator and calling it "freedom" and the other side is too busy focused on just beating this dictator they they forgot to actually help anyone or get anything done.

[Pterodon]

What gets me is you think we owe a lawbreaker ANYTHING

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Ever go over the speed limit? Ever jaywalk? Ever take candy as a kid? Ever do anything ever to break a law? If so, I need you to leave this debate because I don't owe you my time to respond. To think I would owe a lawbreaker anything is frankly insulting.

[Asker]

So we should be paid for breaking laws as citizens your ridiculous!!!

[Ez-Bri-Z]

@Asker Not sure what part you are missing. Is it willful ignorance or intentional obstinance? They aren't getting money for being illegal immigrants and breaking the laws of our country. This is for ONLY the practice of taking their children away and locking them in cages.

[Pterodon]

Then why are you wanting to pay people that break the law by entering this country anything?

[Pterodon]

The very practice that was law. You don’t get compensated for breaking a law that was in force at the time it was broken period. They knew the law yet they came anyway and you expect me as a taxpayer to pay them? Yet my own homeless and hungry that are legal citizens and broke no laws get nothing? Yet vets that died families only get a fraction of that amount? You’re priorities are fucked up yet you’re so fucked up you can’t see it

[Asker]

@ez-bri-z what is it your not seeing? They didn't end up in cages until they broke the laws getting HERE!!! We didn't go to Mexico or South American countries and grab them up take them here and separate them. Heck when we put the Japanese in concentration camps and we paid them after KEEP IN MIND THEY WERE CITIZENS!!! And yes our GOV was wrong for that. But this is completely different these are illegal aliens who broke the law to get here & it's not the peoples fault they snuck over here & got caught. How else did they round these people up? None of them are from the process!!!

[Ez-Bri-Z]

"The very practice that was law. You don’t get compensated for breaking a law that was in force at the time it was broken period. They knew the law yet they came anyway and you expect me as a taxpayer to pay them?"

People get compensated here all the time for police brutality while being arrested during a crime. Also, if we pass a law that is a human right violation and flat out just wrong, we should still pay for it when we realize it was a mistake. That's like saying that the nazis shouldn't have to pay for anything that they did during war time because it was the law then and they were just following orders

[Pterodon]

That’s not the same. Police brutality itself is a crime. The Nazis did make reparations because they surrendered unconditionally. The USA committed no crime in enforcing Obama’s law because it was the law. Police brutality is not a law. No one has made us surrender unconditionally and made us repay except biden

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Look, you are obviously not going to understand how to have human decency and compassion and me trying to explain to you how to act like a human being isn't going to work. You are more concerned about money than you are about trying to make amends for a sh*tty law and it's sh*ttier enforcement over the next presidents term.

You clearly don't see anyone who is not the same as you as human and I unfortunately cannot make you see any differently. I pray nothing ever happens to your families because god forbid you ever try to seek justice when people like yourself exist.

[Pterodon]

Clearly you want to make law breakers innocent victims worthy of $450,000 and yet give no money to law abiding homeless and hungry American citizens. Please explain that. Also explain how you will give law breakers $450,000 yet if my son dies in Afghanistan I only get $100,00. The bottom line is these people broke the law and entered the country illegally yet you want to declare them innocent victims and give them $450,000. Your priorities are fucked up. Your definition of a criminal is fucked up. Your punishment of criminals is fucked up. I want to deport them. You want to pay them $450,000. That’s fucked up. Biden’s approval ratings prove you’re in the minority with your thinking

[Ez-Bri-Z]

@Pterodon lol you are really dense, huh? After all this, you still bring up points that have 0 to do with the topic. Anyway, I am done with you now. Gonna find better use of my time. Take care : )

[Pterodon]

You have yet to answer my questions

[Asker]

A human has nothing to do with this i can't go to china and then tell China you must pay me back. Matter of fact tons of Americans are captured and enslaved in prison in North Korea for spreading christianity until our gov gets them out, you don't see the pastors and others who get caught there demanding payments when its not there country. The way YOU want the US to operate is not the SAME way the world works which proves you are CRAZY. Theirs lala land and theirs reality and you live in lala land where you pretend open borders and humans rights of illegal aliens matters because they're human when each country has LAWS they have to follow TYPICAL SJW NON SENSE!!!

[Slithers]

Typical narcissist. I wonder if you know how boring and bitter you sound.

What's funny is that you act as if we should be basing our morals off North Korea or China. I'm American, and we are better than that. You aren't a real patriot. If you want to base your values off what China and North Korea does, by all means go live there. God knows your great leader did enough bootlicking that Kim Jong Un would welcome you with open arms. If you were a real patriot you would know our Statue of Liberty says "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore." You know why it says that? We are known as a country that welcomes people here who are looking to escape oppression. You take that away from our country and America loses it's meaning in the world.

[Asker]

@Slithers yeah because the rest of the world has LAWS, you crazy man!! Also let's do one better Canada has one of the most strictest immigration laws, so guess what if our American asses run to Canada and they separate us WHICH they DO, and sends us back you can't go back and SUE them. Now what are you gonna say? You're a ridiculous man. If we breaak laws theirs no REWARD!! Get over it!

[Slithers]

It's interesting how crazy people tend to use CAPS in their sentences.

Yes we have laws, and the reason these families are being paid is compensation for our laws and international law being broken.

This payment is a result of settling multiple tort cases against the government by families who not only had their children separated and detained, but also they kept the children long after the parents were released. In some cases they even lost the children. That kind of incompetence and cruelty would likely result in a larger pay out if sent to a jury, which is why we settle cases.

Yes, Canada does detain children due to their ambiguous laws whereas the child is supposed to only be detained as a last resort or for their best interest. They are actually working on that as they had a complaint issued against them to the UN for a violation of international treaties they signed. That being said we are talking about a few hundred there as opposed to over 20,000 in the US.

Since you don't think they are human, it's really pointless talking to you. You look at people that aren't the same as you as less than dogs. In reality you are the one who's acting like an animal here. Anyone who wishes harm on children is scum to me.

[Asker]

@Slithers your so delusional you just SAID "20,000" we don't owe 20,000 law breakers shit !!! And yes they're not on the same status of me why because they didn't go through the process to be American!! Which makes them illegal!!! Like i said i don't like Biden so can. i run to Canada with my children NO. Why? Because the LAW is the damn law so i am expecting to be separated from my kids if i do such a risky thing. You don't rob a bank & think you won't go to jail. You don't join Army or Marine Infantry and think you won't see war. You won't go to a country that hates Americans & think you won't be captured and held for ransom. Their is a saying "you knew the job was dangerous before you took it" they knew coming here illegally was risky. Thus cry bsby SJW non sense of "THEY'RE HUMAN, THEY'RE HUMAN!!"
Is utter and complete crazy non sense!!! They're humans who have to follow laws and their is a process to become a citizen here!!! LAWS don't change just because KIDS are involved you crazy man!!! Their are consequences for all the choices that you make.

[Slithers]

Seek therapy. Have a nice life.

[Asker]

@Slithers guess what you Lose Biden just called it he SAID HE WILL NOT BE PAYING ILLEGALS MONEY!!!

[Slithers]

It never existed to begin with. This was just another piece of disinformation your opinion channels love peddling. You were literally outraged over nothing, which is what sheep do.

[Asker]

@Slithers it did but when the American people SPOKE out in anger Biden came out and said NO and when Biden lost Virginia he now knows he's not getting another TERM!. Thats right FJB you left aren't getting back into office!

[Slithers]

There's literally not a shred of evidence that it even existed. Much like everything else your party pushes like claiming the election was fraudulent or that machines were rigged. People like yourself get fired up about things that aren't even happening because you sheep all day watching outrage TV

[Pterodon]

@Slithers look you keep pushing racism and your far left agendas. Your doing exactly what we want. The Tuesday elections didn’t just flip Virginia. It flipped houses in NY and Texas. This should be a wake-up call. But you and AOC just doesn’t get it. So PLEASE IM BEGGING YOU TO KEEP UP YOUR RHETORIC

[Asker]

@Slithers hey you BOY! Go look it up don't make me post it because you're LAZY Biden was caught in his OWN LIEA SAYING he never said that when the JUSTICE CENTER came out and said the white house did the white house said they DID and the ACLU did too. Go look it up why would all of them LIE? Biden is a liar and they're trying to give money away because they feel its CHEAPER. Go look it up cause i wanna know your reaction so you know i told you SO and i owned YOU. I don't care what you claim to have the fact you want this makes you the BIGGEST SJW i ever met.

[Daniela1982]

How much are the lawyers going to get out of that money? Gee, when an American Citizen goes to jail for breaking the law they don't get their kids to go with them so why should illegal immigrants? How much do homeless vets get from the government? What do parents of kids with learning disabilities get from the government? What do people who lost their homes because they had to give their free loading tenants free rent? All this says is get to the US any way you can and cash in and enjoy the good life with free money courtesy of the Taxpayers.

[OlderAndWiser]

Joe Biden is a threat to the future of this country! But Kamala Harris would be an even larger threat!

[grega239]

I might go to america just to get that cash

[Asker]

Might as well...

[zagor]

So falling back to the old "racism and xenophobia" BS, eh. The fact is Canadians are NOT headed to our border en masse, so you are comparing a hypothetical to reality. And they probably won't be, as they are unlikely to let their country be controlled by violent drug cartels as in certain other countries.

The FACT is that advocates are using the fact that most of the people in question are NOT white as an excuse to try to waive the normal laws and procedures for entering the country, as it must be racist if it disproportionately affects non-whites, right? This is a simplistic ploy to deflect from the facts on the ground. Every non-anarchy on Earth has some sort of border control and limits who can enter.

[Shizunk]

It's a retarded idea. The practice was to protect children from criminals. We can debate better solutions, but there is zero reason to give cash like candy to people who broke a law in the first place. That just places another incentive for more people to come, get smuggled in along with those children and then try to get rich off of that. Disgusting and unacceptable. Just get control of the border. Stop people from coming. Then such questions naturally stop being relevant.

[hahahmm]

Because he thinks money is unlimited. I guess congress has thought that for decades too... they just are more clever about who they give it to so average people don't freak out. Heard some bankrupt trucking company got $600 million in covid money last year for example. The U. S. is spiraling around the drain. Don't think it will be around in 40 years.

[Pterodon]

This is an outrage. He’s paying people that broke the law by entering our country illegally. Trump separated the children because it was the law at the time. A law he did not make and he put them in shelters he did not construct. It was Obama/Biden that built them. Imagine that

[Anonymous]

I've heard about this now it's making me wonder, Why would the USA give $450k to undocumented immigrants, The money needs to be used in the USA to get us off of poverty, does Biden realize there are people starving in the USA, the price of gas is extreme too?

[Anonymous]

wooooooo. Fun to listen to the Biden lovers try and act like this isn't a big deal because they can't defend it. rofl. Weird how Democraps keep trying to give money away to foreigners and fuck over our own citizens, but hilarious to hear them try and say, "thank you sir, may I have another" ?

[SunnyAlways]

Yes, this plan is completely stupid. Just because illegal immigrants put their family at risk, and knowingly for separation they will get paid a hefty 450k. An amount you would get in court for having your child die to some drunken idiot. I wonder when I can sue this drunken idiot for the rising price of everything, and possible ruined future of myself.

[FunkyMonkee]

FUCK NO!!! And, neither is Biden!!! That warped old fuck needs to GO!!! If he plans to go through with this, he better DAMN WELL be taking the money out of his OWN pockets!!! That's NOT what our tax money is to be used for!!!

[Jfranco12]

Joe biden is the biggest 🤡 to ever hold a seat of power in this country

[Sabretooth]

most of them work anyway but often poorly treated. you need to see this: https://www.cbpp.org/research/poverty-and-inequality/immigrants-contribute-greatly-to-us-economy-despite-administrations

[exitseven]

No, it is not enough money. He should be confiscating the homes of everyone that voted for Trump and re-settle all the illegal aliens there.

[exitseven]

On the weekend after the Super Bowl we should say that we are giving out free citizenship and free iPhones. Everyone goes to the nearest pro football stadium. Ehen they all go in we round them all up and send them all back.

[Stoner710]

Yeah that’s right this is how stupid our government is and how completely immoral they are

[Anonymous]

wtf no. Being separated from your kids isn't barbarism, especially when no one knows if they're your kids. If I get arrested for say embezzlement, is that keeping me from my kids? Does the criminal get paid a cool mil for going to jail?

[jshm2]

Yes. Blame Trump for separating those families and leaving the American taxpayer with this legal burden.

You have to be an inbred Murican if you don't understand that illegal actions have consequences further down the line. Just because it was the former dipshit president, doesn't make a difference.

Plus most of the 450k will go to lawyer fees, medicals, and the state department anyway. There will be very little cash actually going to the individual.

[Asker]

No you have to be inbred if you think we owe people who came here illegally and got captured and got separated.

[Jfranco12]

Blame Trump? Lmao you realize these policies have been in place since the Clinton era

[notwoke]

mow them down with a gatling gun and they'll stop coming

[Snakeyes7]

[CamembertAnus]

I am somewhat agnostic on immigration, since I think it is a super complicated issue. However, I find it strange that some of the loudest voices opposing it and wanting to build border walls, etc. are Christians.

"The Good Samaritan" is one of the core teachings of Christ. I guess they skipped it.

[Johnagain]

This is wrong, wrong, wrong! Let's reform the whole thing.

[888theGreat]

I told you all this before, democrats like foreigners more than Americans

[blondfrog]

I am all for helping immigrants but I think we need to help our own country more first.