As far as I'm aware, yeah there are two sexes. Gender on the other hand is completely a social construct, but the way I see it there are generally three genders which are girl, boy and non-binary. Things can go deeper than that and there are lots of labels but they generally fall under those categories, and the way I see it if it's not hurting you then there's no reason to be an ass about it. Sincerely a genderfluid person
To some sure, I'm not about to invalidate someone who sees it that way and I know some do. It's like people who lean into gender stereotypes, that's your view and your choice, but it's not mine
I feel invalidated by saying I'm transgender because I want to be a social construct. I will die longing for a female body. That's not a social construct.
@ElizaPam By the current definition of gender, it is definitely a social construct. You are not a woman so there's no need to feel invalidated that you have to say you're a trans-woman, because that is exactly what you are.
Unless you manage to change the cells in your body to female cells, you will remain a male. There was no way to become a female in the first place so feeling invalidated is not necessary because you signed up to becoming transgender using a method that would guarantee that you'd remain a male.
Also, whether or not you die longing for a female body is a matter of your feelings; it is not relevant to the discussion of whether or not gender is a social construct.
@ElizaPam What does that even mean? You are technically a male on the inside AND on the outside. If you are talking about some intangible inside then I don't see why you've spawned at the conclusion that the inside you are referring to even has a sex.
@ElizaPam Good for you. There's nothing stopping you from being a male and acting how you want to act. But the inescapable truth is that it is not possible to change your biological sex (at least at this point in time), and that is something you have no control over.
@Shoichiro I can't call myself a man and be a woman. that would be retarded. I can be a man and call myself a woman but I can't call myself a man and be a woman.
@ElizaPam You think calling yourself a man and being a woman is retarded? I disagree. That would just be lying if you were actually a woman; it's not necessarily retarded.
What I DO think is ridiculous is your logic because somehow it's ridiculous to call yourself a man as a woman but it is not ridiculous to call yourself a woman as a man. You are the same person that's been calling people transphobic but you've just uttered "transphobic" comments.
@ElizaPam You are a man that is lying to himself and claiming that he is a woman. I don't have a problem with you wanting to do things that women tend to do, but whether or not you are a man is not up for debate; there is one unchanging, objective answer.
@Shoichiro well I'm not calling myself a man because that would be retarded. "Hey everybody I might look like a woman and have boobs from taking estrogen and I live as a woman because that's what I look like- but I'm a man." see how stupid that would be?
@ElizaPam I don't know how you can call that stupid when you are literally speading false information that you are a woman when you're not. If you say that you're a man, then at least you're telling the truth among what may seem stupid.
Dude shut tf up, I am sick of getting notifications for this especially, just say your fragile masculinity can't deal with people being trans and move on.
@not_a_twinkie Whether or not you're tired of getting notifications is not my concern.
I also don't understand how anything here is linked to one's masculinity being fragile (whatever that means because social justice warriors such as yourself love to throw around their keywords thinking they sound educated).
@Shoichiro your masculinity is fragile when you're constantly afraid of being considered feminine and hate feminine things because you're "supposed to"
@ElizaPam Again, I don't know how you spawned at this conclusion. You happen to be correct that I don't want to be perceived as feminine, but that does not mean I am even at risk of being perceived as feminine (which I am not as far as I'm concerned) so there is no reason for me to be constantly afraid of being considered feminine.
I am not the way I am because I am supposed to be, I just am the way I am (which is probably the case with MOST men, hence the formation of the idea that men are supposed to be how they commonly are). I am also grateful that I'm not anyone else.
You seem to think it's an insult to not want to be feminine.
@Shoichiro Men will be afraid to be perceived as feminine and homosexual. A man's "manhood" is something a lot of men take seriously. I'm just sick of people being mean to me because I'm trans and it's not really women that threaten me and act disgusted in my presence and all that shit. It's men who gotta prove they're masculine and heterosexual by being mean to the trans woman.
Sex is biological, gender is social construct. I believe there are 2 of both, however what someone chooses to 'identify' as is completely their choice and I have no issue with it. I just think let people live and be whatever or whoever, who cares as long as they aren't bothering anyone
Only millennials come up with shit like this. A lot of people that didn't get enough attention when they were kids, now want everyone to treat them special because they "identify as a rock". Uggg. Yes, boy or girl, girl or boy. Pick one. I don't care which. Those are your choices.
Two. It's like asking what kind of deep space mining astronauts are there? Well the real answer is zero. But there might be 100 if we include stuff we see in movies. Just because you put on an astronaut's outfit doesn't make you one. Likewise just because you claim to have invented a new gender doesn't make it reality.
2 genders. Why else would Covid data only have 2 genders? Why do most polls only have 2 genders? Because they’re only 2 genders. People wanting to be something , does not mean that, that is reality.
I don't want to be what I am. I am what I am. I'm not a ting. I was acting as a boy. I stopped acting when I transitioned. Now I'm just myself. I never had to try to be a girl like I had to try to be a boy
@ElizaPam you are pretending to be a woman though. You still have a penis, you don’t entirely have a woman mind. You will never experience a woman mind.
That may be true but I'm still who I am. And I won't try to change myself for society. As long as I have Jesus I have the strength to be my true self in this world. And when my soul escapes this body and returns to heaven I'll finally get to be normal like you.
@ElizaPam I never said you can’t be who you are, but that doesn’t mean you are a biological women. Who said I was normal? Being a woman doesn’t make you not different from others.
People don't always make fun of you and treat you mean. People don't call you freak and monster. You get to have a family. Guys like you. Guys want to hurt me. Your body makes its own estrogen. My body would be gross to me without my medicine. My self esteem is shit. Most of my happiness comes from daydreaming about being cis. I can only daydream about your daily reality. You're cisgender. You're normal.
@ElizaPam lmfao! I was bullied all through high school and you are trying to say people don’t make fun of me because I am simply a woman. You are out of your mind.
Can I ask are you 'Seen' as a freak, or are you being bullied by people who are making you think the word freak is a bad thing?
I too am nervous about my nose for instance, yet I do not let others make me think, I have disproportionate face, or ugly features because of how I am, or who I am! I walk around normally thinking 'OK, today I can' Try' do something and Try push the entire world out! Mental block, listen to music, calm relaxing music, or whatever you wish to, and just sit and think! 10-15 minutes max!
Without accounting for the neutrality of gender, two
There has always been 2, and there will always continue to be 2 and has always been differentiated by social and cultural roles and behavior of people and in linguistics.
In regards to human beings, I can't deny the variability of human being's ability to define their roles within the boundaries of this scale between the masculine and the feminine genders. But there is still, only 2 genders.
People should be allowed the option to identify with whatever they want. If a person wants to think they are a cheese pizza, that is their right.
The one absolute thing I will not condone or tolerate is one person or group feeling a sense of authority to dictate to another what they should or should not do
@ElizaPam I don't understand, you're saying that because you're transgendered, you don't fit between the boundaries of the masculine and feminine genders?
Being a father will definitely suck, I do not wish to go through the entire process to either decide it was not a good idea! Or I find someone who actually wants me for who I am!
@KieranBryne that still doesn’t add up to me. You being around woken doesn’t mean you think like them entirely. To each it’s own, but it truly doesn’t make any sense to me.
@kyleelyn199723 because I am a woman. I feel like a woman in every way. I wanted to be a girl in my earliest memories. Everything about being a man looks wrong and everything about being a woman feels right. I want to be a beautiful woman with a loving husband. Not a handsome man with a beautiful wife. Having breasts feels right and having a penis feels weird.
I have "Too many feminine qualities" this is what has been told to me! I was psychology attacked by females whom think they are men! And men who are just do not understand as they address me as being gay, and want me to do stuff to them and for them! I suffer with 'Disassociate Defective Disorder' from PTSD, and like to keep my life in a specific order or setting!
I apologise that you do not understand!
The only other way to explain is, if I was born a female, I would have been a whore! I am glad I am born male, yet still have the want to be a female!
I guess it is jealousy, Or I like being in control of who I am!
Thank you kayleen "You have never experienced" I left the out 'being the women' because that right there shows! People go through different things in their lives!
I am sorry you do not understand, and if anything happens to you in the future to make you feel 'Indifferent' then I apologise for that also!
@ElizaPam you keep describing male features as disgusting traits so… yeah you are not proud to be a man. Do you realize women get hair too? I grow mustache hair and always did.
@kyleelyn199723 male traits of my own body are disgusting to me because I'm woman. why do you just want to invalidate me? I'm happy and feel like myself. I'm not a man and I'm never going to be one.
@ElizaPam so you literally aren’t proud of being a man then. I am not trying to invalidate you, you just put up an argument on literally everyone’s comments that are against how you feel, so it just seems like regardless of who you are, you aren’t happy with yourself
Kyleelyn, I would like to apologise for pushing my 'Opinions' or past onto your direction, this was unjustified, and I should not have brought up the past in order to try and put a point across! I hope you can understand that my brain does not feel like it functions the same as what other people like to think it does!
I think there are two primary genders, but within those two genders there are distinctions which society mostly doesn’t care about. We like to pigeonhole people based on those two. If your gender is female then you should like this, act that way, and do these things, etc.
This is why people invent other genders, they want to be seen and respected as individuals, not as stereotypes.
0
0 Reply
Anonymous
(30-35)
+1 y
Well, according to the dictionary, sex and gender are not different things. They are synonyms. So, no, there are not more than 2 genders. However, there are many different gender identities. As many as can be imagined. Gender and gender identity are not the same thing.
had a video saying there are only 2 genders. All they did was censor it. This is all about politics and getting people away from believing in God. It’s got nothing to do with your actual health.
If your brain has been corrupted by the socialist regime, then you may think there are an infinite number of "genders". God made two sexes - male and female. Gender stuff is simply the evil one driving wedges between us.
He used the wrong word. He meant Bolsheviks. When complicated mental gymnastics is required to explain there are more than 2 genders, that there’s systematic racism, that inverting your penis makes you a woman, and all these manner of bizarre and degenerate concepts, and then act as if people who don’t believe in this horse crap have something wrong with them you’re not just a socialist. You’re a Bolshevik.
If you cannot see there are deliberate attempts to indoctrinate Americans to these concepts and cannot see there is clearly a segment of the population using the liberties we have to internally have a communist revolution in this country without firing a shot then you’re not a Bolshevik but an idiot.
This is all politically motivated and is coming from the left. Stop treating messageman like his stupid.
@Exterminatore I'm conservative, I believe in capitalism. I'm Christian, Inverting my penis doesn't make me a woman. Being a woman on the inside and looking like a woman and living like a woman makes me a woman. my body doesn't define me
I’m glad your conservative. Thank God for that. I consider you an ally and hard no ill will towards you nor hatred.
I mean this with all respect and kindness. Going forward with this conversation I have questions that I mean no offense by nor ask with malicious intent. How can you be a woman if you have XY chromosomes? I don’t think you can be a woman. I think you are a man, who does in fact look like a woman, dresses like a woman, and lives as a woman but you’re still a man. It’s more than genitals that make one a man or a woman. I think what you are is a man who lives as a woman. The problem is the differences between male and female go beyond the ability to bear children and genitals. Different: neurology, bone structure, muscle mass, hormones, chromosomes, and many many more things. You can’t change those things. I think perhaps you feel like a woman but yet are still a man.
In regards to Christianity I’m going to share a few scriptures with you and I’m curious what your reaction is to them.
““No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord.” Deuteronomy 23:1 ESV
Sex changes operations are nothing new. They’ve only improved. This is not referring to some freak accident where some man’s testicles were crushed or a war wound where a man lost his penis. This is referring to deliberately doing this to one’s self for the sake of transgenderism. Clearly this would be defined as sin.
“Let not the foreigner who has joined himself to the Lord say, “The Lord will surely separate me from his people”; and let not the eunuch say, “Behold, I am a dry tree.” For thus says the Lord: “To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths, who choose the things that please me and hold fast my covenant, I will give in my house and within my walls a monument and a name better than sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name that shall not be cut off.” Isaiah 56:3-5 ESV
Here is God pronouncing forgiveness for the transgender if they repent. Ones who refuse to repent are cut off, but ones who repent the Lord forgives.
““A woman shall not wear a man’s garment, nor shall a man put on a woman’s cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God.” Deuteronomy 22:5 ESV
“You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.” Leviticus 18:22 ESV
These are the things God commands regarding homosexuality, transvestitism, and transgenderism.
Then we find this:
“And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments. Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him,” 1 John 2:3-4 ESV
Meaning one who is born again (one must be born again to go to heaven) generally lives in obedience to the Lord. Jesus cannot be anyones savior without being their Lord.
“Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil.” 1 John 3:8 ESV
Here we see whoever practices sin is not a child of God. Meaning whoever willfully lives in disobedience knowing better and fails to repent is not of God.
“No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God.” 1 John 3:9 ESV
1John3:9 states whoever is born of God does not practice sin. Meaning does not willfully live in sin because he has been born of God and the Holy Spirit lives in him, and the Holy Spirit will bring the person under the conviction of sin and prompt repentance. Certainly one may sin for a time but the child of God hates sin and will always repent sooner or later.
Jesus said these things and they need no explanation:
““Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do what I tell you?” Luke 6:46 ESV
“So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed him, “If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”” John 8:31-32 ESV
““Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.” Matthew 7:21 ESV
So I ask you given these scriptures, how is a transgender lifestyle compatible with Christianity. Willful intentional obedience or partial obedience is still disobedience. One must repent of one’s sins.
I humbly ask you to re-examine your lifestyle in accordance with scripture and how that is possible with true saving faith.
I say to you also I’m not judging you. I have no heaven or hell to place you in. I’m not God, nor did I write the Bible, I’m simply telling you what it says. I myself am a sinner born into iniquity and saved by God’s grace. I am not casting stones at you as I need to beg God’s mercy and forgiveness daily. I’m simply asking you a theological question as respectfully I think you may be miss informed about your lifestyle and God accepting it.
that is called hermapherdits. and they are typically raped at birth. just like man are male gentail cuting. can leave a man with painful erects, chronic ptsd depression, and rectail disfuciton aas well as painful sex for woman, and finally.
There's only two genders male and female. There's no third gender whatsoever intersex is not a third gender it's called a hermaphrodite condition and that's extremely rare
17.3K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
Science has compartments to organize and study things. Society and people need not force them on ourselves or others at the expense of happiness, as long as life isn’t threatened.
See what I did? Defended trans rights, and pushed vaccines in one go. Boom.
There are only Male XX's and Female XY's. X0's XXY's sometimes turn up but they are not distinct sexes and are not "intersex" development errors. All the others are the product of mental issues: Gender dysphoria.
Genders are stupid, it's a bunch of socialisaiton garbage from feminist theorists.
There's just sex. Always has been, and until 60 years ago nobody would have tried to tell you different.
1
0 Reply
Anonymous
(25-29)
+1 y
I do believe that there are biologically two genders. But gender in society is fucked up. It's too problematic for me and I believe in science although I get death threats for expressing my own opinion.
There are biologically 2 genders? What? LOL. Gender doesn't exist in biology. Do you mean that biologically there are 2 sexes? Male and female? Sex and gender are different.
Have you actually gotten a death threats for talking about gender? I mean actual people in your life threatening to kill or beat you? I have received about a dozen real life death threats since beginning my transition into a woman at 14 over 13 years ago. People literally don't want me to exist because God made me different. Why are you acting like the victim? Im the one that doesn't belong.
@ElizaPam Says the one triggered... Yes, I know people who are trans and have asked me about my opinion and have been threatened with "You better watch your back cause someone might stab you in the back" and someone got my phone number and started saying he/she will come to my house and splatter with blood my walls with unbelievably censored words".
Well you're poking the bear. You're telling a traumatized and mentally disturbed individual things that you know will upset them. I'm not justifying it that person was probably a freak. But I don't understand why y'all fuck with our trauma to get a rise out of us then act like you're so innocent and we're fucking animals.
@ElizaPam If you do not want people to be mean towards you, then learn not to be mean towards others. Whether you're trans or not is not my business and you should do whatever makes you happy. At the same time, you need to respect that for other people. You can't play victim when someone decides to retaliate to your initial hostility.
Gender and sex aren't the same. Someone can fluctuate between both masculine and feminine and another person can not identify with either just kinda somewhere in the middle.
Mm no. Just because something is more prevalent in media doesn't mean it's not always been there. It has you just didn't notice it from under your rock.
Actually scientific books on animal species use gender names and symbols to refer to the biological sex of a given organism. And humans aren't able to change genders like some fish or frogs can.
"Gen-der n., Gram. Any of two or more categories, as feminine, masculine, or neuter, into which words are devided and which determine agreement with or selection of modifiers or grammatical forms; the quality of being of the male or female sex." - Webster's dictionary, Landoll Inc. 1997.
So yeah, gender = biological sex, and a lot of gen z are just illiterate with words, it's why urban dictionary exists.
We aren't animals. We're humans ☺️ we have great intelligence. Animals do not.
That talks about males and females yeah? Those are sex terms not gender terms.
And of course a definition from the 90s is gonna say that. Normalize discovering new things and changing definitions. Which has happened hundreds of times and you've never noticed, you only care because for some weird reason gender being socially constructed scares you.
Humans are animals, specifically homonids, which are a subset of apes.
All animals are capable of intelligence of varying degrees, some as much as we are, and gender = biological sex.
There is no such thing as "socially constructed gender" (that phrase doesn't even make any sense)
Gender is about sex organ quality. You can't just say sex organ types are suddenly "personalities" just because you are dumb enough to stereotype people.
There is no male or female way of thinking, and changing definitions to words is stupid when no new evidence gives a reason to do so (especially when the only reason people use the word gender wrong today is because they didn't read a dictionary as children).
To me it seems like you are the one scared of that fact that gendered mentalities aren't real, and that all your catagorized stereotypes about how a man or woman should think are just wrong.
a social construction relating to behaviours and attributes based on labels of masculinity and femininity;"
Except that, from a scientific evidence point of view, you cannot tie gender to behaviors, you cannot tie masculinity or femininity to behaviors, or tie male and female traits to behaviors, so this definition is based on a falsehood built on gender behavior stereotypes and non replicable "studies". It's a description that relies on the fictional idea that men and women think differently, and then it tries to say that if you think like the sex your opposite of, you are suddenly that sex, or both, because fuck just accepting stereotypes are wrong apparantly, and sorry, but thats just retarded. .
So what.. Just because a gov official is an idiot, I should be one too? Nah. Definitions should be logical. Your gender (sex) is whats between your legs, and thats it.
"gender identity is a personal, internal perception of oneself"
No, it;s determined by physical examinination, your personality has squat to do with your gender. you could be a man, woman, hermaphrodite, or neutered, and still have pretty much any personality (except maybe sex crazed ones of neutered).
"and so the gender category someone identifies with may not match the sex they were assigned at birth"
Incorrect, as I mentioned above, your sex has no bearing on your personality at all. The only way a person would think their mind is one gender and their body another, is if they wrongly assumed mentalities come packaged with genitals.
"where an individual may see themselves as a man, a woman, as having no gender, or as having a non-binary gender – where people identify as somewhere on a spectrum between man and woman"
Thats not how it works, the spectrum is genital arrangement, male, femake, various hermaphrodite types, neuter, etc.
Some people in the US also think the definition of being lewd is a sin, or that being a certain race carries an inferiority definition, and thats present in mostly any other country too. Most people are stupid.
@ChrisMaster69 Instead of posting articles about what illogical people think, maybe try having a valid argument tying sex to behavior?
Whats the point if tying sex to behavior, if you are then going to use that point to claim any sex can have either behavior? it's circular logic.. It's like saying yes because no...
Either sexual gender effects behavior, thus gender is a mentality, or people of any sexual arrangment can have any mentality, thus mentality is not a gender.
Pick one, you can't have both. but if you pick the former, there are lots of crossdressers and tomboys who would prove that wrong.
@ChrisMaster69 In my opinion, being a follower instead of logical is whats going backwards for society, your witch argument is better used against your gov argument than it is against mine.
@TheSpaceGnome you know the sex you're born as influences your behavior a lot, right? I've noticed trans men are typically more feminine than trans women for this reason.
@ChrisMaster69 the dictionary I used is from 1997, I picked that one specifically because thats when definitions still made sense in US dictionaries. if I just wanted to just follow whatever a dictionary said, instead of what was based on evidence, I'd pick a newer one.
Making your mind up 20 years ago based on fiction, ok, but thats still being a follower.
@TheSpaceGnome wow I’ve interacted with some incredibly stupid fuckwits on here, but like totally wow. You win , stunning, Hats off to you You can have you own view on this, not even going to discuss it with an idiot, as it’s pointless.
@TheSpaceGnome look mate you are either a troll of fucking stupid.
If you do not accept a government department informational document as proof, a US medical info page and you go on about only reading dictionaries from 1997, then there is zero proof that you would accept, You are a stunning arsehole, I was aware some across there were fuckwits but Jesus you are seriously deranged.
@ElizaPam Actually pam, it has no infuence on bahavior at all. men who act "feminine" generally get called girly for cultural reasons, and then to fit in, they have a sex change operation, making them transgendered.
But their behavior isn't actually tied to anything female, as they are male, and are bahaving that way, so it's still a male behavior.
Their existence is proof that gender isn't a mentality.
If I put on a skirt in the US, people would make up gender bs about me, call me girly, etc.
Now if I did that in scotland, kilts (skirts) are manly, do people would be less likeky to call it girly behavior.
It culture, not sex, that creates "gender behavior norms".
The entire thing is peer pressure and culture vs individuality, and them buying into the idea that they aren't the same mentality as the sex they are born with, because society says they should think like A if they have gential arrangement A, and if they think like B, that must mean somethings off.
It's a really destructive mentality to have to tie genders to minds tbh.
Also, since sex change operations are not able to change a functioning penis/testicles/male prostate into a functioning vagina/ovaries/womb, or vise versa, trans people are actually genderless. Because they have no functional reproductive organs, so they fall under the neuter catagory.
@ElizaPam I mean with enough makeup or surgery, I could fool someone into thinking I'm a woman too.
But no, after years of studying wildlife and the people around me, woman = female reproductive organs.
I can guess who's female, but with how good medical changes and makeup are, sometimes you would need some kind of internal scan to tell.
That doesn't matter though, because I know a lot of men and women who break personality/interest/hobby/way of thinking stereotypes. I don't need to confirm everyone's gender to see proof that mental genders are a cultural fabrication.
I'm not interested in seeing it any other way because it doesn't make sense to.
@TheSpaceGnome yeah you're not interested in understanding me you just want to shit on me and say I'm lying about how I feel. You're cis so you think everyone else is too. by the way I don't wear makeup and I've never had a surgery.
@TheSpaceGnome I live as a woman. People look at me and see a woman. I stopped male puberty by taking hormones at 15. I'm trans. You're so mean. You can disagree that I'm a woman but you can't tell me I'm not trans.
What Girls & Guys Said
Opinion
149Opinion
As far as I'm aware, yeah there are two sexes.
Gender on the other hand is completely a social construct, but the way I see it there are generally three genders which are girl, boy and non-binary. Things can go deeper than that and there are lots of labels but they generally fall under those categories, and the way I see it if it's not hurting you then there's no reason to be an ass about it.
Sincerely a genderfluid person
It's not a social construct
To some sure, I'm not about to invalidate someone who sees it that way and I know some do. It's like people who lean into gender stereotypes, that's your view and your choice, but it's not mine
I feel invalidated by saying I'm transgender because I want to be a social construct. I will die longing for a female body. That's not a social construct.
@ElizaPam By the current definition of gender, it is definitely a social construct. You are not a woman so there's no need to feel invalidated that you have to say you're a trans-woman, because that is exactly what you are.
Unless you manage to change the cells in your body to female cells, you will remain a male. There was no way to become a female in the first place so feeling invalidated is not necessary because you signed up to becoming transgender using a method that would guarantee that you'd remain a male.
Also, whether or not you die longing for a female body is a matter of your feelings; it is not relevant to the discussion of whether or not gender is a social construct.
@Shoichiro I'm a female on the inside
@ElizaPam What does that even mean? You are technically a male on the inside AND on the outside. If you are talking about some intangible inside then I don't see why you've spawned at the conclusion that the inside you are referring to even has a sex.
@Shoichiro I feel I'm like a woman on the inside. I want to be a female. I wnjoy doing things women do and looking like a woman
@ElizaPam Good for you. There's nothing stopping you from being a male and acting how you want to act. But the inescapable truth is that it is not possible to change your biological sex (at least at this point in time), and that is something you have no control over.
@Shoichiro I DONT GIVE A FUCK
@ElizaPam Whether or not you give a fuck is not relevant. My point is that you can act how you want to act regardless of your sex.
@Shoichiro I can't call myself a man and be a woman. that would be retarded. I can be a man and call myself a woman but I can't call myself a man and be a woman.
@ElizaPam You think calling yourself a man and being a woman is retarded? I disagree. That would just be lying if you were actually a woman; it's not necessarily retarded.
What I DO think is ridiculous is your logic because somehow it's ridiculous to call yourself a man as a woman but it is not ridiculous to call yourself a woman as a man. You are the same person that's been calling people transphobic but you've just uttered "transphobic" comments.
@Shoichiro I'm a woman calling myself a woman it would be retarded to call myself a man
@ElizaPam You are a man that is lying to himself and claiming that he is a woman. I don't have a problem with you wanting to do things that women tend to do, but whether or not you are a man is not up for debate; there is one unchanging, objective answer.
@Shoichiro well I'm not calling myself a man because that would be retarded. "Hey everybody I might look like a woman and have boobs from taking estrogen and I live as a woman because that's what I look like- but I'm a man." see how stupid that would be?
@ElizaPam I don't know how you can call that stupid when you are literally speading false information that you are a woman when you're not. If you say that you're a man, then at least you're telling the truth among what may seem stupid.
Dude shut tf up, I am sick of getting notifications for this especially, just say your fragile masculinity can't deal with people being trans and move on.
@not_a_twinkie Whether or not you're tired of getting notifications is not my concern.
I also don't understand how anything here is linked to one's masculinity being fragile (whatever that means because social justice warriors such as yourself love to throw around their keywords thinking they sound educated).
@Shoichiro your masculinity is fragile when you're constantly afraid of being considered feminine and hate feminine things because you're "supposed to"
@ElizaPam Again, I don't know how you spawned at this conclusion. You happen to be correct that I don't want to be perceived as feminine, but that does not mean I am even at risk of being perceived as feminine (which I am not as far as I'm concerned) so there is no reason for me to be constantly afraid of being considered feminine.
I am not the way I am because I am supposed to be, I just am the way I am (which is probably the case with MOST men, hence the formation of the idea that men are supposed to be how they commonly are). I am also grateful that I'm not anyone else.
You seem to think it's an insult to not want to be feminine.
@Shoichiro Men will be afraid to be perceived as feminine and homosexual. A man's "manhood" is something a lot of men take seriously. I'm just sick of people being mean to me because I'm trans and it's not really women that threaten me and act disgusted in my presence and all that shit. It's men who gotta prove they're masculine and heterosexual by being mean to the trans woman.
@ElizaPam That's fair enough, but I haven't been mean to you. I have only disagreed with you and if you think that is mean then that's not my problem.
Sex is biological, gender is social construct. I believe there are 2 of both, however what someone chooses to 'identify' as is completely their choice and I have no issue with it. I just think let people live and be whatever or whoever, who cares as long as they aren't bothering anyone
It's not a social construct or I wouldn't be transgender.
@ElizaPam www.ons.gov.uk/.../2019-02-21 Number 8 (Summary) Just to save you looking. Good for you though <3
Only millennials come up with shit like this. A lot of people that didn't get enough attention when they were kids, now want everyone to treat them special because they "identify as a rock". Uggg. Yes, boy or girl, girl or boy. Pick one. I don't care which. Those are your choices.
Two. It's like asking what kind of deep space mining astronauts are there? Well the real answer is zero. But there might be 100 if we include stuff we see in movies. Just because you put on an astronaut's outfit doesn't make you one. Likewise just because you claim to have invented a new gender doesn't make it reality.
2 genders. Why else would Covid data only have 2 genders? Why do most polls only have 2 genders? Because they’re only 2 genders. People wanting to be something , does not mean that, that is reality.
We meet again! I've been looking forward to this.
@YoMan1 hello. I really hope you aren’t one of these people that thinks they’re 500 genders
Well you see, I think there are 191 genders.
@YoMan1 oh boy…
I don't want to be what I am. I am what I am. I'm not a ting. I was acting as a boy. I stopped acting when I transitioned. Now I'm just myself. I never had to try to be a girl like I had to try to be a boy
@ElizaPam you are pretending to be a woman though. You still have a penis, you don’t entirely have a woman mind. You will never experience a woman mind.
That may be true but I'm still who I am. And I won't try to change myself for society. As long as I have Jesus I have the strength to be my true self in this world. And when my soul escapes this body and returns to heaven I'll finally get to be normal like you.
I'm not pretending to be a woman. I'm just being myself and calling it a woman.
@ElizaPam I never said you can’t be who you are, but that doesn’t mean you are a biological women. Who said I was normal? Being a woman doesn’t make you not different from others.
People don't always make fun of you and treat you mean. People don't call you freak and monster. You get to have a family. Guys like you. Guys want to hurt me. Your body makes its own estrogen. My body would be gross to me without my medicine. My self esteem is shit. Most of my happiness comes from daydreaming about being cis. I can only daydream about your daily reality. You're cisgender. You're normal.
If you want to call who I am a man you do that but I'm calling who I am a woman.
@ElizaPam lmfao! I was bullied all through high school and you are trying to say people don’t make fun of me because I am simply a woman. You are out of your mind.
I never said you weren't bullied. I'm seen as a freak monster everywhere I go
Can I ask are you 'Seen' as a freak, or are you being bullied by people who are making you think the word freak is a bad thing?
I too am nervous about my nose for instance, yet I do not let others make me think, I have disproportionate face, or ugly features because of how I am, or who I am! I walk around normally thinking 'OK, today I can' Try' do something and Try push the entire world out! Mental block, listen to music, calm relaxing music, or whatever you wish to, and just sit and think! 10-15 minutes max!
@ElizaPam I think you are just uncomfortable with yourself and that’s why you feel the need to constantly argue with people about yourself.
Without accounting for the neutrality of gender, two
There has always been 2, and there will always continue to be 2 and has always been differentiated by social and cultural roles and behavior of people and in linguistics.
In regards to human beings, I can't deny the variability of human being's ability to define their roles within the boundaries of this scale between the masculine and the feminine genders. But there is still, only 2 genders.
.. to add
People should be allowed the option to identify with whatever they want. If a person wants to think they are a cheese pizza, that is their right.
The one absolute thing I will not condone or tolerate is one person or group feeling a sense of authority to dictate to another what they should or should not do
I'm transgender and I dont believe being masculine or feminine makes you a different gender
@ElizaPam I don't understand, you're saying that because you're transgendered, you don't fit between the boundaries of the masculine and feminine genders?
No. I'm saying gender is male and female, feminine and masculine doesn't change your gender.
@ElizaPam ah.. I respect your perspective on this... even though I disagree.
Masculine and Feminine is gender.. Male/Female is sex.
as is with most Latin based languages... as is with people
You understand that there's no reason to identify as. inanimate objects right?
@ElizaPam I do not understand what you're trying to say.. that male, female, masculinity, femininity are inanimate objects?
2-3 (depending on how hermaphrodites are counted)
Yes, "gender" & "sex" are synonyms according to Cambridge Dictionary.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/gender
Is it bad to say, I wish I was female!
My brain does not work as a 'Male' type!
I often wander what it would be like, to see if the females I like are actually into me, or my personality is 'Different!'
I am always in two minds to have a sex change, but I actually want to have kids! Kids of my own!
Sex change costs a lot of money, and I am wanting to be happy in the body I am in!
100% Straight for the record!
Getting a sex change was so worth it. I grieve over not having children but I'd rather adopt than get a woman pregnant. Being a father would suck.
I am glad you decided to do what you want!
Being a father will definitely suck, I do not wish to go through the entire process to either decide it was not a good idea! Or I find someone who actually wants me for who I am!
Just wondering, how can you even understand how a woman thinks like, when you have never experienced being a woman?
I lived and grew up with women, and was bullied and beaten by males pretty much my entire life!
Being 'Belittled'
@KieranBryne that still doesn’t add up to me. You being around woken doesn’t mean you think like them entirely. To each it’s own, but it truly doesn’t make any sense to me.
Women**
@kyleelyn199723 because I am a woman. I feel like a woman in every way. I wanted to be a girl in my earliest memories. Everything about being a man looks wrong and everything about being a woman feels right. I want to be a beautiful woman with a loving husband. Not a handsome man with a beautiful wife. Having breasts feels right and having a penis feels weird.
@ElizaPam you can’t feel what you have never been.
I have "Too many feminine qualities" this is what has been told to me!
I was psychology attacked by females whom think they are men! And men who are just do not understand as they address me as being gay, and want me to do stuff to them and for them!
I suffer with 'Disassociate Defective Disorder' from PTSD, and like to keep my life in a specific order or setting!
I apologise that you do not understand!
The only other way to explain is, if I was born a female, I would have been a whore!
I am glad I am born male, yet still have the want to be a female!
I guess it is jealousy,
Or I like being in control of who I am!
Does this help explain?
@KieranBryne still doesn’t make sense because having feminine qualities doesn’t make one a female, but it’s your life.
Thank you kayleen "You have never experienced" I left the out 'being the women' because that right there shows! People go through different things in their lives!
I am sorry you do not understand, and if anything happens to you in the future to make you feel 'Indifferent' then I apologise for that also!
@kyleelyn199723 being feminine doesn't make me female what makes me female is my female soul
@ElizaPam you don’t even know what being an actual woman feels like.
@kyleelyn199723 you do t know how it feels to feel trapped in the opposite sex's body
@ElizaPam being unproud to be a male, doesn’t mean you know what it feels like to be a woman
@kyleelyn199723 I'm not unproud to be make what does that even mean? I simply am not a man. I hated pretending to be a boy.
@kyleelyn199723 I've lived as a woman half of my life I have an idea
@ElizaPam you keep describing male features as disgusting traits so… yeah you are not proud to be a man. Do you realize women get hair too? I grow mustache hair and always did.
@ElizaPam no you lived most of your life pretending to be a woman.
@kyleelyn199723 male traits of my own body are disgusting to me because I'm woman. why do you just want to invalidate me? I'm happy and feel like myself. I'm not a man and I'm never going to be one.
@kyleelyn199723 I'm not pretending to be a woman I'm just being myself. If I was a man I would be pretending
@ElizaPam so you literally aren’t proud of being a man then. I am not trying to invalidate you, you just put up an argument on literally everyone’s comments that are against how you feel, so it just seems like regardless of who you are, you aren’t happy with yourself
@kyleelyn199723 I'm not proud of being a man because I'm not a man lmao
Kyleelyn, I would like to apologise for pushing my 'Opinions' or past onto your direction, this was unjustified, and I should not have brought up the past in order to try and put a point across! I hope you can understand that my brain does not feel like it functions the same as what other people like to think it does!
Best wishes, I hope to sleep now!
Good night! 🤝
I would like to apologise to the owner of this thread, it has become quite a mess with comments!
@kyleelyn199723 above comments!
I think there are two primary genders, but within those two genders there are distinctions which society mostly doesn’t care about. We like to pigeonhole people based on those two. If your gender is female then you should like this, act that way, and do these things, etc.
This is why people invent other genders, they want to be seen and respected as individuals, not as stereotypes.
Well, according to the dictionary, sex and gender are not different things. They are synonyms. So, no, there are not more than 2 genders. However, there are many different gender identities. As many as can be imagined. Gender and gender identity are not the same thing.
Gender identities are fake. You're either male, female, or transitioning from one to the other
Well, I’m the 90s,
https://youtu.be/jCR6gS8QQjkhad a video saying there are only 2 genders. All they did was censor it. This is all about politics and getting people away from believing in God. It’s got nothing to do with your actual health.
I'm transgender, conservative, Christian, and I agree
If your brain has been corrupted by the socialist regime, then you may think there are an infinite number of "genders". God made two sexes - male and female. Gender stuff is simply the evil one driving wedges between us.
So you're basing your opinion on an invented story (God), and accusing people of being communists. What can I say...
lol the amount of people that throw the word socialist into unrelated conversations is hilarious.
@Curiousgirl2414 You'll learn - - - -
(Peeping out the window looking for socialists)
@curious
He used the wrong word. He meant Bolsheviks. When complicated mental gymnastics is required to explain there are more than 2 genders, that there’s systematic racism, that inverting your penis makes you a woman, and all these manner of bizarre and degenerate concepts, and then act as if people who don’t believe in this horse crap have something wrong with them you’re not just a socialist. You’re a Bolshevik.
If you cannot see there are deliberate attempts to indoctrinate Americans to these concepts and cannot see there is clearly a segment of the population using the liberties we have to internally have a communist revolution in this country without firing a shot then you’re not a Bolshevik but an idiot.
This is all politically motivated and is coming from the left. Stop treating messageman like his stupid.
God made 2 sexes and likes to sometimes put females in male bodies like he did with me
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@Exterminatore I'm conservative, I believe in capitalism. I'm Christian, Inverting my penis doesn't make me a woman. Being a woman on the inside and looking like a woman and living like a woman makes me a woman. my body doesn't define me
@eliza
I’m glad your conservative. Thank God for that. I consider you an ally and hard no ill will towards you nor hatred.
I mean this with all respect and kindness. Going forward with this conversation I have questions that I mean no offense by nor ask with malicious intent. How can you be a woman if you have XY chromosomes? I don’t think you can be a woman. I think you are a man, who does in fact look like a woman, dresses like a woman, and lives as a woman but you’re still a man. It’s more than genitals that make one a man or a woman. I think what you are is a man who lives as a woman. The problem is the differences between male and female go beyond the ability to bear children and genitals. Different: neurology, bone structure, muscle mass, hormones, chromosomes, and many many more things. You can’t change those things. I think perhaps you feel like a woman but yet are still a man.
In regards to Christianity I’m going to share a few scriptures with you and I’m curious what your reaction is to them.
““No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord.”
Deuteronomy 23:1 ESV
Sex changes operations are nothing new. They’ve only improved. This is not referring to some freak accident where some man’s testicles were crushed or a war wound where a man lost his penis. This is referring to deliberately doing this to one’s self for the sake of transgenderism. Clearly this would be defined as sin.
@eliza
“Let not the foreigner who has joined himself to the Lord say, “The Lord will surely separate me from his people”; and let not the eunuch say, “Behold, I am a dry tree.” For thus says the Lord: “To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths, who choose the things that please me and hold fast my covenant, I will give in my house and within my walls a monument and a name better than sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name that shall not be cut off.”
Isaiah 56:3-5 ESV
Here is God pronouncing forgiveness for the transgender if they repent. Ones who refuse to repent are cut off, but ones who repent the Lord forgives.
““A woman shall not wear a man’s garment, nor shall a man put on a woman’s cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God.”
Deuteronomy 22:5 ESV
“You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.”
Leviticus 18:22 ESV
These are the things God commands regarding homosexuality, transvestitism, and transgenderism.
Then we find this:
“And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments. Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him,”
1 John 2:3-4 ESV
Meaning one who is born again (one must be born again to go to heaven) generally lives in obedience to the Lord. Jesus cannot be anyones savior without being their Lord.
“Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil.”
1 John 3:8 ESV
Here we see whoever practices sin is not a child of God. Meaning whoever willfully lives in disobedience knowing better and fails to repent is not of God.
“No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God.”
1 John 3:9 ESV
@eliza
1John3:9 states whoever is born of God does not practice sin. Meaning does not willfully live in sin because he has been born of God and the Holy Spirit lives in him, and the Holy Spirit will bring the person under the conviction of sin and prompt repentance. Certainly one may sin for a time but the child of God hates sin and will always repent sooner or later.
Jesus said these things and they need no explanation:
““Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do what I tell you?”
Luke 6:46 ESV
“So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed him, “If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.””
John 8:31-32 ESV
““Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.”
Matthew 7:21 ESV
So I ask you given these scriptures, how is a transgender lifestyle compatible with Christianity. Willful intentional obedience or partial obedience is still disobedience. One must repent of one’s sins.
I humbly ask you to re-examine your lifestyle in accordance with scripture and how that is possible with true saving faith.
I say to you also I’m not judging you. I have no heaven or hell to place you in. I’m not God, nor did I write the Bible, I’m simply telling you what it says. I myself am a sinner born into iniquity and saved by God’s grace. I am not casting stones at you as I need to beg God’s mercy and forgiveness daily. I’m simply asking you a theological question as respectfully I think you may be miss informed about your lifestyle and God accepting it.
biologically there are more than just male and female, many people are born intersexed, with a mixed of male and female chromosomes
I don't know why it was downvoted, but intersex is a combination of the only 2 biological sexes, not a separate sex.
that is called hermapherdits. and they are typically raped at birth. just like man are male gentail cuting. can leave a man with painful erects, chronic ptsd depression, and rectail disfuciton aas well as painful sex for woman, and finally.
worst case scuiced.
It’s a separate sex, there are many chromosomal combinations where there is no way to divide into male and female, they are simply intersexed.
There's only two genders male and female. There's no third gender whatsoever intersex is not a third gender it's called a hermaphrodite condition and that's extremely rare
@Zealashton that’s a third sex yes, as for genders there are MANY because they are social constructs, like rqce
Science has compartments to organize and study things. Society and people need not force them on ourselves or others at the expense of happiness, as long as life isn’t threatened.
See what I did? Defended trans rights, and pushed vaccines in one go. Boom.
(Drops mic)
There are only Male XX's and Female XY's. X0's XXY's sometimes turn up but they are not distinct sexes and are not "intersex" development errors. All the others are the product of mental issues: Gender dysphoria.
Genders are stupid, it's a bunch of socialisaiton garbage from feminist theorists.
There's just sex. Always has been, and until 60 years ago nobody would have tried to tell you different.
I do believe that there are biologically two genders. But gender in society is fucked up. It's too problematic for me and I believe in science although I get death threats for expressing my own opinion.
Death threats only come from incels and redditors lol.
haha true
There are biologically 2 genders? What? LOL.
Gender doesn't exist in biology. Do you mean that biologically there are 2 sexes? Male and female?
Sex and gender are different.
@spookywashere To me sex and gender are interchangeable but can apply to the soul as well as the body
Have you actually gotten a death threats for talking about gender? I mean actual people in your life threatening to kill or beat you? I have received about a dozen real life death threats since beginning my transition into a woman at 14 over 13 years ago. People literally don't want me to exist because God made me different. Why are you acting like the victim? Im the one that doesn't belong.
@ElizaPam That goes against science but I guess ignorance is bliss.
@ElizaPam Says the one triggered...
Yes, I know people who are trans and have asked me about my opinion and have been threatened with "You better watch your back cause someone might stab you in the back" and someone got my phone number and started saying he/she will come to my house and splatter with blood my walls with unbelievably censored words".
Well you're poking the bear. You're telling a traumatized and mentally disturbed individual things that you know will upset them. I'm not justifying it that person was probably a freak. But I don't understand why y'all fuck with our trauma to get a rise out of us then act like you're so innocent and we're fucking animals.
Yup, there are only two. And you are what you are born with. Anything else is what we call having mental issues.
I was born trans. I remember being trans in my earliest memories. Why y'all so mean? I just want to be myself.
@ElizaPam If you do not want people to be mean towards you, then learn not to be mean towards others. Whether you're trans or not is not my business and you should do whatever makes you happy. At the same time, you need to respect that for other people. You can't play victim when someone decides to retaliate to your initial hostility.
By the way, this was in response to your other comment on another post.
Depends on your ideology.
If you're of the mind that gender is "in the mind" then there are hundreds.
But if you're a rational adult, then only 3: male, female and attack helicopter.
My gender is my soul. God made me a female soul in a male body.
Yeah 2. But you can be both and you can also be neither. Gender is fluid.
how can you physically be both or neither if your born with a wiener? hey that rhythmed!!
Gender and sex aren't the same. Someone can fluctuate between both masculine and feminine and another person can not identify with either just kinda somewhere in the middle.
lets go brandon
Seriously...
😂🍿
@Smashingdoozy These guys were ahead of their time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDpGsFI3WNg
Mm no. Just because something is more prevalent in media doesn't mean it's not always been there. It has you just didn't notice it from under your rock.
Yes, I do happen to live under a rock.
I'm trans and I believe gender and sex are the same but there's a difference between body gender and soul gender
What you believe doesn't matter. It's scientific fact that gender and sex are different.
Lol it doesn't seem so
@ElizaPam I agree.
Actually scientific books on animal species use gender names and symbols to refer to the biological sex of a given organism. And humans aren't able to change genders like some fish or frogs can.
issuu.com/.../spiders_and_their_kin_-_a_golden_gu
The dictionary also has this to say on gender:
"Gen-der n., Gram. Any of two or more categories, as feminine, masculine, or neuter, into which words are devided and which determine agreement with or selection of modifiers or grammatical forms; the quality of being of the male or female sex." - Webster's dictionary, Landoll Inc. 1997.
So yeah, gender = biological sex, and a lot of gen z are just illiterate with words, it's why urban dictionary exists.
@TheSpaceGnome ya but who reads the dictionary anymore? it's more fun to just make stuff up.
We aren't animals. We're humans ☺️ we have great intelligence. Animals do not.
That talks about males and females yeah? Those are sex terms not gender terms.
And of course a definition from the 90s is gonna say that. Normalize discovering new things and changing definitions. Which has happened hundreds of times and you've never noticed, you only care because for some weird reason gender being socially constructed scares you.
Humans are animals, specifically homonids, which are a subset of apes.
All animals are capable of intelligence of varying degrees, some as much as we are, and gender = biological sex.
There is no such thing as "socially constructed gender" (that phrase doesn't even make any sense)
Gender is about sex organ quality. You can't just say sex organ types are suddenly "personalities" just because you are dumb enough to stereotype people.
There is no male or female way of thinking, and changing definitions to words is stupid when no new evidence gives a reason to do so (especially when the only reason people use the word gender wrong today is because they didn't read a dictionary as children).
To me it seems like you are the one scared of that fact that gendered mentalities aren't real, and that all your catagorized stereotypes about how a man or woman should think are just wrong.
@TheSpaceGnome ha! nail head, hit, hammer
@whosnumber1 @thespacegnome
Have a read through the following.
www.ons.gov.uk/.../2019-02-21
Westernized countries are so brainwashed when it comes to gender 😂 so many different cultures have more than 2 genders.
This is a purely semantic argument lol
@ElizaPam pretty much.
@ChrisMaster69
"The UK government defines gender as:"
a social construction relating to behaviours and attributes based on labels of masculinity and femininity;"
Except that, from a scientific evidence point of view, you cannot tie gender to behaviors, you cannot tie masculinity or femininity to behaviors, or tie male and female traits to behaviors, so this definition is based on a falsehood built on gender behavior stereotypes and non replicable "studies". It's a description that relies on the fictional idea that men and women think differently, and then it tries to say that if you think like the sex your opposite of, you are suddenly that sex, or both, because fuck just accepting stereotypes are wrong apparantly, and sorry, but thats just retarded. .
So what.. Just because a gov official is an idiot, I should be one too? Nah. Definitions should be logical. Your gender (sex) is whats between your legs, and thats it.
"gender identity is a personal, internal perception of oneself"
No, it;s determined by physical examinination, your personality has squat to do with your gender. you could be a man, woman, hermaphrodite, or neutered, and still have pretty much any personality (except maybe sex crazed ones of neutered).
"and so the gender category someone identifies with may not match the sex they were assigned at birth"
Incorrect, as I mentioned above, your sex has no bearing on your personality at all. The only way a person would think their mind is one gender and their body another, is if they wrongly assumed mentalities come packaged with genitals.
"where an individual may see themselves as a man, a woman, as having no gender, or as having a non-binary gender – where people identify as somewhere on a spectrum between man and woman"
Thats not how it works, the spectrum is genital arrangement, male, femake, various hermaphrodite types, neuter, etc.
The countries who think genders are mentailies are brainwashed into agreeing with gender stereotypes.
mentalities*
Yep including the US..
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/232363
@ChrisMaster69 I'm aware, it's still incorrect.
Some people in the US also think the definition of being lewd is a sin, or that being a certain race carries an inferiority definition, and thats present in mostly any other country too. Most people are stupid.
It doesn't matter, incorrect is incorrect.
@ChrisMaster69 Instead of posting articles about what illogical people think, maybe try having a valid argument tying sex to behavior?
Whats the point if tying sex to behavior, if you are then going to use that point to claim any sex can have either behavior? it's circular logic.. It's like saying yes because no...
Either sexual gender effects behavior, thus gender is a mentality, or people of any sexual arrangment can have any mentality, thus mentality is not a gender.
Pick one, you can't have both. but if you pick the former, there are lots of crossdressers and tomboys who would prove that wrong.
@TheSpaceGnome I don’t need to, if governments and leading Medical places have done this and I agree, then why should i.
Some people, still live in the 6th century it seems.
The world has moved on since they burned witches at the stake
@ChrisMaster69 "if governments and leading Medical places have done this and I agree, then why should i."
Because think for your fucking self you dolt..
People like you who buy into whatever illogical bs you are told are why hitler gained so much power.
Seriously, wtf lol.
@ChrisMaster69 In my opinion, being a follower instead of logical is whats going backwards for society, your witch argument is better used against your gov argument than it is against mine.
@TheSpaceGnome no I looked at the facts about 20 years ago and made my decision then.
This is something most people have already been doing for a while.
Where as some people are unable to think it through and use a dictionary as that must be true as opposed to a bunch of people working it out…
Yeah some random guy on the forum knows more than a number of governments, congratulations
Peopke burned witches at the stake because they bought into an authority figure's bs, just like you are right now.
@TheSpaceGnome you know the sex you're born as influences your behavior a lot, right? I've noticed trans men are typically more feminine than trans women for this reason.
@ChrisMaster69 the dictionary I used is from 1997, I picked that one specifically because thats when definitions still made sense in US dictionaries. if I just wanted to just follow whatever a dictionary said, instead of what was based on evidence, I'd pick a newer one.
Making your mind up 20 years ago based on fiction, ok, but thats still being a follower.
@TheSpaceGnome wow
I’ve interacted with some incredibly stupid fuckwits on here, but like totally wow.
You win , stunning,
Hats off to you
You can have you own view on this, not even going to discuss it with an idiot, as it’s pointless.
@ChrisMaster69 translation, you have no valid argument.
@TheSpaceGnome if I gender didn't exist I would t be trans
@TheSpaceGnome look mate you are either a troll of fucking stupid.
If you do not accept a government department informational document as proof, a US medical info page and you go on about only reading dictionaries from 1997, then there is zero proof that you would accept,
You are a stunning arsehole, I was aware some across there were fuckwits but Jesus you are seriously deranged.
@ChrisMaster69 honestly fuck what the government says I'm proof that gender exists
@ElizaPam Actually pam, it has no infuence on bahavior at all. men who act "feminine" generally get called girly for cultural reasons, and then to fit in, they have a sex change operation, making them transgendered.
But their behavior isn't actually tied to anything female, as they are male, and are bahaving that way, so it's still a male behavior.
Their existence is proof that gender isn't a mentality.
If I put on a skirt in the US, people would make up gender bs about me, call me girly, etc.
Now if I did that in scotland, kilts (skirts) are manly, do people would be less likeky to call it girly behavior.
It culture, not sex, that creates "gender behavior norms".
The entire thing is peer pressure and culture vs individuality, and them buying into the idea that they aren't the same mentality as the sex they are born with, because society says they should think like A if they have gential arrangement A, and if they think like B, that must mean somethings off.
It's a really destructive mentality to have to tie genders to minds tbh.
@TheSpaceGnome I'm not trans because I'm "girly" it has nothing to do with clothes or anything like that.
@TheSpaceGnome you got it backwards, I wear dresses because I'm a woman not I'm a woman because I wear dresses.
Also, since sex change operations are not able to change a functioning penis/testicles/male prostate into a functioning vagina/ovaries/womb, or vise versa, trans people are actually genderless. Because they have no functional reproductive organs, so they fall under the neuter catagory.
@ElizaPam "TheSpaceGnome you got it backwards, I wear dresses because I'm a woman not I'm a woman because I wear dresses."
Actually it's neither, you just wear dresses. it has no relevance on sex/gender outside cultural norms, which vary, and that was my point.
A man who wears a dress is still a man, a woman who wears pants is still a woman.
@TheSpaceGnome I'm a woman. That's why I look good in dresses. They aren't designed for men
@ElizaPam what a person thinks looks good isn't relevant to the topic.
I think dresses look awful on anyone tbh. slightly better on women, but pants look better.
@TheSpaceGnome dresses look better on me because they disguise how narrow my pelvis is.
I'm a woman and whether or not you agree is irrelevant but you wouldn't think I'm a man if I didn't tell you I'm trans in the first place
@ElizaPam I mean with enough makeup or surgery, I could fool someone into thinking I'm a woman too.
But no, after years of studying wildlife and the people around me, woman = female reproductive organs.
I can guess who's female, but with how good medical changes and makeup are, sometimes you would need some kind of internal scan to tell.
That doesn't matter though, because I know a lot of men and women who break personality/interest/hobby/way of thinking stereotypes. I don't need to confirm everyone's gender to see proof that mental genders are a cultural fabrication.
I'm not interested in seeing it any other way because it doesn't make sense to.
@TheSpaceGnome yeah you're not interested in understanding me you just want to shit on me and say I'm lying about how I feel. You're cis so you think everyone else is too. by the way I don't wear makeup and I've never had a surgery.
@ElizaPam if you never had a surgery, you aren't trans, so there is a second lie, and if you had had surgery, you would be neuter, not female.
You think/feel/act how you want, but don't expect others to give up logic just because it upsets you.
No where in my rant did i "shit on you", I simply don't agree with how you define things, or that gender stereotypes are based on reality
@TheSpaceGnome I live as a woman. People look at me and see a woman. I stopped male puberty by taking hormones at 15. I'm trans. You're so mean. You can disagree that I'm a woman but you can't tell me I'm not trans.