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Do you believe gender and sex is binary? (Page 2)
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Dick or vagina it's that simple. Anyone supporting all these made up genders is fucking stupid
Yes. With the exception of very infrequent birth defects.
If there's an exception it's not really binary is it?
We say humans have two arms despite some people being born without them.
Do you know what binary means?
Yes. Do you understand what I typed?
You're not born with 1 or 2 arms there is no one or the other. It's not comparable.
Hell no, man penis, woman no penis
Its not that hard
Anything but fluid? that shit's clowning.
There's only one gender that is god (me)
Gender and sex is whatever you want it to be, and it doesn’t matter what others think
no cuz what ever your born with is what you should be. Its like trying to get a cat to be a dog.
That's irrelevant to the question
how is that irrelevant
It has nothing to do with gender being binary or not.
the question was is gender and sex binary and i don't believe it is.
Okay... That's doesn't add up with what you said either.
One is what you are, one is what you wanna fuck right?
Gender - male
Sex - heterosexual
No, sex has to do with your chromosomes and reproductive organs, gender is how you present yourself to the world.
Well. In my language they're the same thing
Using the modern usage. Gender is fluid and sex is binary. Nobody ever has or cares about gender its useless. Everyone only cares about binary sex.
Im a Man and your a female get over it. Is the Sky not blue?
You're a gender and I'm a sex? That's weird.
Did you mean you're a male and I'm a female? That's possibly true, though I've never had my chromosomes tested. But the same could be said of a zebra, ape, giraffe.
Yeah how else do animals populate? Because they're female and males duhhh a male can't push out a baby. Even with surgery a female can still get pregnant.
Cool? That's not really the question.
Yeah and your just a person in denile of mother nature no such thing as non binary
😂 um yes there is. There's many animals that don't adhere to a gender binary
Then how do animals populate again a male and male animals aren't making babies and neither is a female so clearly they're only 2 genders. Imagine trying to make a argument but no matter what it comes down to only a man and female can make a baby and if you can count that is two. Simple math
I think you're confused. Saying gender isn't binary doesn't mean there's less than 2. It means there's more than 2. There's still males and females, there's also an in-between. There's lionesses with male characteristics, all Clownfishes are born hermaphrodites, some birds have asexually reproduced, male seahorses get pregnant and give birth, both male and female spotted hyenas have testes and penises. Also bilateral gynandromorphism has been witnessed through various species, which is where a organism is essentially split down the middle one side male one side female. Half male butterfly half female butterfly.
Yeah those are sea horses which we are Human and man can't hold a baby again proving my point that they're only two
No it's not proving your point at all. There's at least 16 different sex chromosomes variations. Intersex people exist. Saying there's only 2 is like saying red heads don't exist.
Red heads are not a gender, and they are not even in the same alley. That's like saying Albino is a gender when it's not because a red head and an albino person still come out male or female. Your little fake twisted woke facts don't work here at all
It's a comparison. About 2% of the population has red hair. About 1.7% (probably more) are born intersex or with sex chromosome variations. So ignoring intersex peoples existence would be like ignoring red heads existence.
I don't beive anyone is born with both. Not my fault their parents were druggies and it fucked up there body making them think they had two when they only had one. Maybe the clit was deformed so they cut it down. Men aren't born with vaginas
I think you ought to read into some biology. This definitely happens and it's not just cosmetic. People have variations of sex chromosomes. People who look female on the outside can have male reproductive organs in the inside and vice versa. Its not caused by anything known..
So if you think so lets test the theory you're stating so if this born with both parts person has a period that would make them a what? Because men don't get those
Not all women get those either.
Actually the sky is not blue. It is clear and particles scatter the blue wavelength more. Just like gender, it's far more complex and when you give simplistic answers, you're often wrong.
They do actually nice try also @Jaysolo66 your just a SJW the sky is blue prove me wrong
You're so ignorant...
www.vox.com/.../why-the-sky-looks-blue-and-the-sun-looks-yellow
https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article/001218.htm
If it looks blue it is blue just like blood looks blue on the inside but the whole time its really RED. You people are just ignorant to real life & just wanna force your delusions onto everyone else.
Blood isn't blue 🤦🏻♀️
I just said it was RED are you blind on the inside it looks blue but it's NOT. Lol read
So your argument is that the blood is really red but it only looks blue... my friend, you made my argument. Open a book once in a while.
But it's not... Veins can appear blue through the skin but blood is red, it's always red inside and outside the body.
@Jaysolo66 at least you can read she can't which makes sense why she thinks they're more genders and no you are proving my argument that people like you are severely delusional on all levels
Can you not read? I said it looks blue but its NOT so keep repeating what i said until you understand.
Please don't include so many grammatical errors when claiming someone can't read. It makes you sound a bit hypocritical at best. It's hard to take you seriously.
Where does it look blue?
The veins have it looking blue but blood is always red and @Jaysolo66 if you're illiterate and can't read it out it's not my fault you can't read either
So the veins look blue... Like I said... Not the blood because you can't see the blood. Looks like you're trying to backtrack because you realized you're wrong.
What am i back tracking i clearly said from the inside it's blue. You just can't read
But you don't look at veins from the inside... You look at them from the outside... Which is why VEINS (not blood) appear blue/green/purple depending on your skin tone.
What does this have to do about what i said lol you are just all over the place
What you said is blood is blue on the inside , we both know you meant blood is physically blue inside your body and now you've probably googled it and realized you're mistaken and trying to cover up by projecting 😌 its ok to be wrong.
It's funnny you see what i saw but i never said physically yet you're just making it up and putting words in my mouth. When i never said that lol it's funny how delusional you are
I see gender as a wide spectrum with two defining ends, so... not exactly?
No binary is a number system.
I believe sex and gender are biological distinctions and yes there are only two of them.
How's there only two?
If you have XY chromosomes, you are born with a penis, your body produces more testosterone, you produce sperm, you are biologically stronger.
If you have XX chromosomes, you are born with a vagina, your body produces more estrogen, you have ovaries and eggs which allow you to incubate spawn, you have a period, develop breast that produce milk, are physically weaker.
There are people of those two groups with physical defects, some born with mangled chromosomes, and then MANY of the newer generation with mental issues.
But the defining biological division as above is how nature intended humans to mate and that division is the only one that works biologically.
So you know there's more than 2 sets of sex chromosomes... Which would mean sex isn't binary... Because you're not either or you're 1 of about 16.
“ There are people of those two groups with physical defects, some born with mangled chromosomes”
but xx and xy are the biological split that are required for mating
If there's people who are not xy or xx... That's not binary...
If you have any “data” created since 2010... it’s fabricated by the same groups who made up 72 genders.
Defects are exceptions to the rule.
Like down syndrome
An exception makes it not binary.
No just like a mutant animal doesn’t make a new species.
We are simply talking about binary. New species has nothing to do with that.
It’s called an analogy.
Being a defect does’t make a new gender.
What about the other couple dozen sex chromosomes?
Yep key word is "normally" rarediseases.info.nih.gov/.../numeric-sex-chromosome-variations
“RARE DISEASES”
The key word in your link
Mutations do NOT make a new group
They're still different sex variations that groups of people have. I haven't even mentioned the entire variations in secondary sex characteristics. If sex was binary then there wouldn't be exceptions to the rule.
secondary characteristics are “secondary”
they are minor sub differences of the main two categories. TWO categories!
Yes, two categories which have multiple subcategories that individual people can fall into. A person can look a woman on the outside but biologically they're a man (naturally not trans)
No. just like with down syndrome a person who has some deficiency in their chromosomes has mental issues
That isn't necessarily true with sex chromosomes. Most people don't even know that their chromosomes are different.
Then they aren’t significant enough to talk about.
male/female biology needed to reproduce
Never said it wasn't. Sex being non binary doesn't mean that people either end of that scale don't exist. Doesn't mean that everyone is not either or. Just means that others do exist
It's not about what you believe. It's about the underlying science.
Exactly which believes it's not binary.
Bullshit, sorry.
Genetics are ambiguous. It's not black and white.
Nope. Everyone can be tested and they will with have an XY or XX chromasome.
There's more than two variations of chromosomes...
You're right. And those people who are in-between make up less than 1% of the population. They are statistically insignificant regarding this argument. Almost all the people you see on Twitter are men pretending to be women or women pretending to be men.
1 in 100 births are intersex
Nope. Less than that, the number on which that statistic is based is rounded up.
Furthermore. Science doesn't believe anything. Science proves or disproves. People can either choose to believe it or ignore it. People can believe that the moon landings were faked it that the earth is flat or that vaccines cause autism or that gender is a philosophical subjection of the human psyche. There will always be those who have decided themselves smarter than science itself.
So explain clownfish (hermaphrodites), lions (lionesses can grow manes), spotted hyenas (both male and female have testes and penises), seahorses (males carry and birth), certain birds (they can asexually reproduce), certain monkeys (males change their appearance to look like they are female)...
I don't have to. I'm talking about human gender.
We're talking about sex and gender which are different things. Science agrees that genders and sex are fluid. Obviously as there isn't just 2.
Nope, again science isn't a person. Science can't a agree or believe. Gender = Sex, both are binary. Saying something doesn't make it true. Your head is clearly so far up your ass it's beginning to come out of your mouth. I have neither the time, nor the crayons to explain this to you.
How is sex binary if there are more than. 2 variations?
I refer you to my earlier comment.
"those people who are in-between make up less than 1% of the population. They are statistically insignificant regarding this argument."
It's not less than 1% even if it was (it's about 1 in 100 births) that's still a lot of people who don't fit into the 2 categories. I don't know why you're fighting it. It's not like I'm saying you don't fit into the categories those 2 categories still exist there's just some in the middle as well
1 in 100 is literally 1%. Still statistically insignificant. I'm not fighting anything, I'm stating facts to answer your question.
So let me ask my own question. Were you dropped very hard on your head as a baby?
1% of the population is still 78 million people.
78 million is still statistically insignificant if it's 1% of the population.
If you weren't dropped very hard on your head as a baby, maybe you should have been.
I don't even need to insult you if you think 78 million people are insignificant.
That's cause I'm right. They're not insignificant. They are valid human beings with real feelings and perspectives. They are however statistically insignificant. Numbers are numbers are ratios are ratios. Human feelings don't influence facts.
It actually is and they both mean the same in most languages too.
You can do it with as many consenting adults as you like.
#metoo
To quote "Kindergarten Cop"..."Boys have a penis and girls have a vagina." It's pretty simple.
No, by me saying this will anger people because I said a two letter word.
Gender is whatever you want it to be.
Sex is well understood. It's how babies are made
Yes a couple of my friends are non binary.
yes I recognize only two genders female and male, sexuality on other hand is much complicated than just straight, gay and bi.
yes, I do
Although the All Knowing hasn't revealed everything to me
Oh fun. There are only 2 genders ;)
Oh fun that's not what I asked
That’s where it would have gone
And that still would have been my answer
Yeah, because I have eyes.
Didn't know you could see gender and sex with the naked eye 🧐
You must not have eyes then.
You must be super human
Stop pretending to be stupid. The emperor has no clothes. You're not fooling anyone.
You're telling me you can see someone's sex chromosomes. I can't believe it. A real super human! Amazing! How'd you get this way? Was your mom abducted by aliens? Should I call area 51?
Yes I do, and anything else is a mental disease
Women and Men only.
Intersex exists.
Rare
Almost as common as red heads
Maybe. Not where I live tho.
Where you live literally had nothing to do with it
It does. Many people don’t talk about such sensitive topics openly so.
Just because people don't openly talk about it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Do you even get what I’m saying or you just want to argue? I told you they do exist rarely around us and especially where I live and in my country. Those cases are very rare here and even if there is, people don’t talk about such things at all so we wouldn’t know much about it. As for my personal opinion I said women & men only.
You adgknowledged they exist, so they don't fit in either category. So sex isn't binary.
What does Binary mean?
Binary in terms of sex and gender means that you are either one or the other, there's nothing in-between, you can't be one and then change to the other. It's like saying every man falls into the category of tall, strong, broad, bearded and every woman falls into the category of short, curvy, and soft.
Pretty much every man and woman do fall into those categories because of their hormones.
@ElizaPam they don't. There's short men, there's women who are tall, there's women who grow more facial hair than some men, women who have deeper voices, men who have higher voices. There's a lot of people who don't perfectly fit into these categories.
Bullshit testosterone has a big impact on men
@ElizaPam I didn't say it doesn't. But not every man has the same testosterone levels. As not every women has the same estrogen levels, or testosterone levels.
If I follow your definition then it is obviously not binary. If we are talking about gender as a social construct, then things are not binary either. but if we are talking about Biology I would say that it is binary
Biology is definitely not binary there's more than 2 variations and as I said not everyone has the same levels which leads to differing development
these cases are not the majority
Doesn't matter they exist and it's still millions of people.
Yes of course they exist, we live in a non-binary world with a majority of binary
Yeah I also believe in Santa Claus.
Do you believe that bears shit in the woods?
No, because of snails.
Yes , just look around. Lol
No, just look around.
99% of all humans with a penis are men and 99% of all humans with vaginas are women. That should tell you something.
What makes them that way?
99% would suggest there's something different which would make sex not binary.
How does it suggets something is different?
Binary means one or the other, yes? You are either 1 or 2. If as you say 99% of people with a penis are male and 99% of people with a vagina are female that leaves 2% unaccounted for.
The 2% which is quite generous is the exception not the rule. The same way that a "normal" human being have 10 fingers and 10 toes , but there are humans with 12 toes or 12 fingers.( they are the exception)
2% could never override the other 98% . By your logic that's like picking a covid vaccine with a 2% effective rate over one thats 98% effective
That's not the point. I'm asking if you think sex and gender are binary (which means you are either male or female, man or woman) and you're saying yes but your example is saying that you don't think that. Doesn't matter how big or small the % is that aren't either the fact that they exist makes it not binary.
Yes it's the point.
The % totally matters. A tiny % just proves an anomaly , and an anomaly is the EXCEPTION not the Rule.
Which makes it not binary. Not everyone is one or the other there's some in betweens. It's like a scale. Sure most are at either end but we can't just disregard the 2% in the middle.
We are not disregarding the 2%( which is probably much less by the way ) . Because two things can be right. Saying sex and gender is binary doesn't mean intersex people don't exist. As I've said a million times on this thread. They are the exception NOT the rule. You're basically denying biology and nature rn because our sex influence our behaviors as men or women which is hardwired in our brains.
Having an exception to a" binary" system makes it not binary. Binary is 1 or 2. Not 1, 1.5, 2. I'm saying gender and sex are on a scale. You are not xx or xy, you can be many in between. You're not man or woman, you can be in between or not identify with either, or you could switch between them. Men who are biologically xy can struggle to grow facial hair and be short (both are male secondary sex characteristics) and women who are biologically xx can grow more facial hair than men and be taller than them.
Im not saying everyone is in between majority of people are on one end of the scale but there's a group that's scattered through the middle.
For the umteenth time, YES!
nope, sexuality is fluid
Yes.
Your very existence suggests otherwise
In what way? I'm what they call a "binary trans woman" or as they used to say in the 90's a "true transsexual"
Having a binary gender especially would mean you can't change. You are one or the other.
That's not what it means. But I'm not going to explain it because you're not trans so you automatically know everything about the subject and a transgender person is always wrong and lying.
It's not about trans people necessarily. Gender is socially constructed so it's possible to change or feel like the inside doesn't match the outside which makes it not binary, meaning you aren't one or the other there's a scale.
In terms of sex the binary system is based on the simplified two chromosomes when in actuality there's about 16 variations.
I can't change
Gender is male or female it's not a social construct. It's male and female. I don't know what this other bullshit is.
I'm not saying you can change. I'm validating you. Gender is fluid and sex is not binary. These things validate you being trans.
You're saying gender is a social construct but that's weird like whether you're male or female isn't a social construct it's a fact
Male and female are sexes not genders. Any animal species can be male or female. That's really only in reference to your biology. But there's variations on those. They're not socially constructed.
Gender is. It's different for every society. Some have more than 2 genders. It factors in gender roles too. I'm planning to do a my take in relation to this some time soon.
Gender is male or female
Gender is man, woman, girl, boy
Those are males and females categorized by age
A lioness is a female lion yeah?
Bull is a male cattle
Cow is a female cattle
Woman and man are names to describe adult humans genders.
Yes and male and female are human genders. I'm a cow, a hen, a bitch.
No again the terms male and female are referencing sex. Not gender.
Male:
"of or denoting the sex that produces gametes, especially spermatozoa, with which a female may be fertilized or inseminated to produce offspring.
"male children""
Female:
"of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) which can be fertilized by male gametes.
"a herd of female deer""
My license says my sex is female and I'm from Tennessee.
I'm never calling myself male
Yeah that's just a society thing. It should really say gender.
yes, there is only two sex/genders
What defines a sex?
No.. nature could really come with surprises.
Yes..
Yep 100%
WTF is that garbage?
No nor age
Yes.
Yes, I do.
Nope
Yes 100%
no..
no..