How Powerful is S-400 Missile Defense System? India deploying it Against CHINA, Will it help India?

[priyakigaandme]

India Got First batch of Russian S 400 System Yesterday !!!

[BCA6010]

By itself, it's not very effective because it has to be paired with another system (ideally an AWACS) to actually be able to react fast enough to engage targets at maximum range. It's also meant to be part of a multi-piece system, usually a Pantsir in order to provide the best range of protection. The S-400 is not "new" technology as it was introduced back in 2006-2007.

In optimal conditions, they can intercept low altitude cruise missiles pretty competently and at least in theory can intercept an ICBM with at least a 5-minute warning, at least as claimed by the Russians.

The most glaring issue with attempting to intercept cruise missiles and such is that they have a limited number of tubes (4) that can only be loaded so quickly... When a country is sending a committed volley of cruise missiles at a target, they are fired in the hundreds, so it's very likely that many will make it through anyway, and it's very easy for whoever fired those missiles to figure out where the launchers are at and destroy them with a second salvo or some other form of follow-up strike.

When the US fired a swarm of cruise missiles at Syria's chemical weapons bunkers and factories in 2018, Russia had deployed at least two batteries of S-400s to the country and definitely had the aircraft to support them with tracking. If they attempted to shoot down the Tomahawks, they were completely ineffective. As far as I know, Russia did not attempt to shoot down the missiles, but there also seems to be a sudden halt in further development of the S-400 since before that date and a focus on foreign sales instead, which tends to parallel Russia deciding that a system isn't competitive enough to continue funding themselves (like they did with the T-80, T-90, and Su35), so as usual, I would take the claims of effectiveness with a grain of salt.

[priyakigaandme]

@BCA6010 Great Analysis !!!

[priyakigaandme]

@BCA6010 I Agree that there are only 4 tubes in a Launcher... But do you think If China keep hiting Missiles then India will WAIT 🙄❓ Once any Hostile missile detected then instantly India will also fire its Missile Against That Country.

[BCA6010]

Right, but again I'm just talking about the effectiveness of the system itself, not the outcome of an entire conflict.

[Arivor]

There are several reasons that the US highly discourages the use of the S-400 missile defense system and basically any other export versions of highly technical military equipment. First - The main reason Syria did not use their expensive system… is because we turned it off and made it inoperable. That is what we call cyber warfare.

It is like this… basically every military piece of equipment that requires some form of OS and can be exported has a backdoor that is put in… mainly so that it cannot be used against you.

The only problem is when it is found and thus can be exploited by your adversary. The US, Russia, and China have been embedding code into chips that are mandatory in their use to build iPhones, Routers, Switches, Computers, and the list goes on and on. Since we know that code is in there somewhere… it is just a matter of time before it is found. It is convenient to actually have access to some insider information.

Just a suggestion here… India should stick with its "Made in India Policy." Just saying, ya know?

by the way, the other main reason that we use the THAD for missile defense, is because it is a kinetic weapon that has no warhead. This does require a direct hit… but prevents nuclear warheads from detonating and causing an EMP and the resulting nuclear fallout to deal with.

It is more expensive, and most don't like that it cannot be detonated with the use of a proximity device. You’re basically boiled down to a risk vs benefits type decision, and that is based on just what you intend to use it on. With India, I do believe that they want to retain the goodwill of Russia, USA, and others… thus spreading out the wealth is an intelligent move. I just hope they take the time to go through the software and re-code where needed.

[priyakigaandme]

@Arivor Good Point !

[Jaumet]

Yes, the S-400 is a very powerful missile defense system and should be able to mitigate any aircraft that China could use against India. There is only one glaring problem and that is that China has had the exact same S-400 system already deployed in that area. They also have had time to study it and what its capabilities and vulnerabilities are.

In other words India is only now using technology that China has become more intimately learned to use. I just can't see how this is a good thing for India. The Chinese are known for their ability to steal technology and use it to try and match what the ones they stole it from and if possible improve on.

Given the extra time that the Chinese had that system to tear apart and put back together over and over again. If there is any kind of vulnerability in that system... they will take advantage of it.

Honestly, I can't really understand why with India's ability create the BrahMos II Hypersonic missile... that they could not create a Missile Defense System that is uniquely their own? Rather than having to procure the system that China already has and perhaps even Pakistan can aquire.

I pray that nothing will happen and spiral out of complete control with India and China. I used to be scared the India and Pakistan could easily become engaged in a Nuclear exchange. But this is causing me a great concern here!

[priyakigaandme]

@jaumet Yes China already has S400 but China is not MTCR member So its Missile is just 300 KM Range, India - Russia working in ADVANCE STAGE to develop Brahmos-2 which will have speed of Mach 6++ ... THEN CHINA WILL THINK 100 TIMES before engaging India in a WAR !

Yes, India is developing its own AAMD & BMD Missile defense system but it will take 4-5 More Years in development SO for AS IF NOW, We need S400, S500 And American THAD , India already have Israeli Baraq-8 Missile defense System !

*** PAKISTAN------------------ Has become BANKRUPT, Its PM Mr. Khan keep begging Money from many Countries to Run the Country !!!

[Anonymous]

India is apprehensive about China, and the USA is also concerned about China’s further military buildup near the demarcation line across its Himalayan border with India. In particular, after Beijing deployed long-range strategic bombers to the area last month in another apparent warning to New Delhi. So, yes, the S-400 missile defense system will help mitigate the threat of those long-range strategic bombers. The USA and Germany are also providing military equipment, sharing satellite imagery and positioning Naval forces to provide a bit more deterrence in defense of India.

The USA is very aware of India’s importance and influence in the World, and we really want you as our friend. I actually have more friends from India that live here… that I have worked with, went to school with, in the Navy with, were my professors and are my medical doctors that I see and trust with my health. Let’s just say that the one country that spends more money on their military, than the rest of the world combined… will gladly have your back.

[priyakigaandme]

Yes Exactly...

[ODC2112]

India has deployed the S-400E. China currently implements the export version of the S-400, S-400E. S-400 is nothing more than an S-300-PMU-3.

The only country that has deployed the Russian version of the S-400 is Syria and has used it in the recent conflict with Russian operators from a Russian base in Hmeimim. As things stand at present, it is a Russian anti-missile system that is strong on paper, then in reality it leaves something to be desired. It was felt during the war in Syria. Syrian anti-aircraft has launched about 700 missiles against Israeli aviation forces, has shot down only an F16.

If you line up against an American or European opponent, the S-400 has been proven to be elusive. What they highlight is that the S400 system is a convenient system costs about 1/3 of the systems of the NATO countries that are the MIM 104 Patriot and the MBDA Aster; this is the basis of their success.

[priyakigaandme]

@odc2112 Indian Already have MBDA Missiles, Rafale jet, Don't forget India is ONLY Country who have Russian, American and European defence equipments !

[ODC2112]

Yes but are not the same, they use Matra MICA that are a french air to air missile that now is produced by MDBA. Aster missile system is a French-Italian system derived by the fusion of French Crotale, Italian Selenia Aspide, it is nowadays the most advanced SAM missile system that combine, medium range 1500km and hypersonic velocity of 4.5 mach, is is made to shoot down MIRV Msissilistic attack.

[Louis-1]

interesting question, the system is I believe good, Russia is at the top of missile technology to this day

i reckon that it wil work well against most aircraft and large drones but may struggle against stealth planes which wil only be picked up by the radar when they have allready gotten close enough to strike, however overlapping sam sites would likely help to mitigate that problem a bit

all in all the system should be good

[priyakigaandme]

@Louis-1 I hope for the same Result

[jshm2]

In India's case? They are stupid, and India should have spent that money on improving toilets and infrastructure instead.

Only something like 40% of India's population have access to plumbing and toilets

https://thewire.in/health/732-million-india-tops-list-number-people-without-access-toilets-report

No Idea what India is spending that money on protecting. It has nothing but failures in every department since Partition.

Also, It's Pakistan - not China - that India is deploying the S400 for. As Pakistan has superior air capability to India.

[priyakigaandme]

@jshm2 In long and Short : #1 India is Next Super Power #2 Pakistan has become bankrupt #3. Muslims are born to get killed like a Terrorist

[priyakigaandme]

@jshm2 And UK has shrunk smaller than Nepal and it will become like Srilanka very soon

[priyakigaandme]

@jshm2 I feel Pity for People of UK... May be by 2030 UK Can buy Bankrupt Pakistan and Can do some Agriculture work there... how long Mr. Imran Khan keep begging Money from UAE & Saudi Arabia... Finally Pakistan has to shatter in Parts like India had ripped Pakistan Apart in war of 1971

[FreyaRed]

It's effective against high flying older aircraft with high radar cross-section. Everything that is super fast or flies low or has radar echo of a table tennis ball is practically not visible for this AA system.

[priyakigaandme]

It Can detect, Track and shoot down even small drones let Alone ballistic or Cruise Missiles... USA wanted to sell its THAD System to India but Still India preferred S400 !

[ohshee]

Well we are in war with China are we were and it was a missile to missile cyber War. Show me that their missiles were pretty bad but the United States just totally ate them up and of course the whole world watched and I think India did the right move it will slow down and it will protect to a point that just kind of tells you where we are all headed

[andreasderjuengere]

A defense against missiles is useless, when your territory is invaded by cheap industrial products.
The good news: next to nothing that comes from China lasts long enough, or works reliably the way it's meant to.
As an outsider, I wonder about the relevance: in case that India gets 'missiled' to pieces... we'll just find a different place to get our curry from.

[PositiveNote]

Really it usually doesn't matter who's got the biggest bomb. It only matters as to who shoots it first.

[priyakigaandme]

@PositiveNote That's why SECOND STRIKE CAPABILTY Matters

[PositiveNote]

I certainly matters.

[lightbulb27]

I hope we don't find out... but I suspect at some point we will.

The risks of someone making a mistake are substantial.

[priyakigaandme]

@lightbulb27 I hope we NEVER get to use Those kind of WEAPONS ! but future is ALWAYS indefinite

[KrisPW]

Don't think these things will touch the hypersonic stuff China says it has...

[priyakigaandme]

@KrisPW Chinese test Failed, In Fact Only Russia & India are Ahead in Progress of Hypersonic Missile, Not even US

[KrisPW]

I hadn't heard that. As long as that holds true, it makes me feel a little better about things. Just hope everybody keeps cool heads and don't use them as first strike weapons when they eventually get them working.

[priyakigaandme]

@KrisPW Very True...🙏

[CaptainSmartass]

In the words of Abraham Lincoln, "don't believe everything you read on the internet".

[priyakigaandme]

@CaptainSmartass Abraham lincon could not believe EVEN on his death and his soul still wanders in White house... So don't BELIEVE IN WHAT ABHRHAM LINCON USED TO BELIEVE IN

[Staximus]

US and Russia always have the best stuff, stuff we don't even know about

[Luopio27]

A war with those two countries is like Alien vs Predator movie poster slogan: "whoever wins, we loose"


Both of them have enough Nukes to destroy the entire planet.

[priyakigaandme]

@Luopio27 Indeed !!!

[XXblack88]

I never studied missiles. It obviously will do some damage whether it helps India or not I don't know.

[priyakigaandme]

True one...

[England4eva]

This world and the latest talks of war in the news is scaring me. Nothing will help any of us when all the dirt has been turned to dust. Absolutely petrifying.

[ggggg77g77g]

Decent, but it is REEEEALLLY hard to predict when it comes to Russian weapons. We would only know after seeing this in combat conditions.

[priyakigaandme]

@ggggg77g77g Yes, You Said Vert RIGHT... Though Russian Missiles are at least More Reliable than Chinese Missiles !

[ggggg77g77g]

I've never seen chinese missiles in action. Russian equipment might either be unbelievably strong -such as soviet subs during cold war- or on the other hand total crap like infamous mig-23 jet fighter.

[boobliker]

well it's able to intercept cruise missiles at a range of about 40 - 50 km so if you got them in the right place more than ok

[priyakigaandme]

I hope it THAT TIME will Not come :)

[priyakigaandme]

Its Not Good to use those weapons but You NEVER know !

[boobliker]

they used them is in Israel a few years back you may have see them on tv news. the us /uk ones cost about 3 million $ each or 1.7 M £ not cheap so the truck in your photo about 12 - 15 million $ that's a lot of CV19 jab's

[priyakigaandme]

@boobliker If Human were not Greedy, Proudly and Insensitive THEN there would have been NO problem is ENITRE WORLD

[CaptainSmartass]

@boobliker I can find a better place to put £1.7M.

[boobliker]

@CaptainSmartass yes I can also think a lot better places that Indira could spend the amount of money

[priyakigaandme]

[CaptainSmartass]

Looks nice, but you never know what the Chinese are planning. You can't beat an autistic kid with a laptop, though...

Simples...

[priyakigaandme]

Chinese are DECEPTIVE 👹👿

[Honestguyopen]

I don't really know anything about it. But the best thing gorgeous everyone would be to live honestly and without mass destruction warheads

[priyakigaandme]

I Agree with you 👍👍

[Soteris]

Probably not. India is a huge country and China is just a metaphorical stones throw away. It is ideal for attackers and hard to defend.

[ellEyeInnKay]

Mostly depends. This is more fact tho, why not ask google?

[priyakigaandme]

Google lacks Human Intelligence, asking to a bot and discussing with Humans are two different Things?

[ellEyeInnKay]

Yes but google has the knowledge of the entire internet instantly...
Ugh hold on.

[priyakigaandme]

@elleyeinnkay My Son, Google is a American company and Its CEO is an Indian for Years So we know GOOGLE more than you 100 %

#2 Russian and Chinese Secrets & data are not on Google

[ellEyeInnKay]

Okay. Deploy in china to assist india, depends on what kind of missles are used, where exactly in china the sys is located, and where the attack is coming from.
Say low eastern china, maybe along G109, so india is in range of protection easier.
Missle type of 9M96e2 (120km range)
... wait india defending from china? Oh good. China is too far away for any helpful effect.
Also india is far too large (650mi from a rough centre, being 1k km.)
Would require, probably about 5 or 6 SAM setups for it to be able to defend successfully

[OddBeMe]

Oh, so powerful it makes every Chinese man hard and every Chinese woman ovulate.

[priyakigaandme]

@OddBeMe Brahmos Missile Makes Chinese Men even more hard

https://youtu.be/lkQD-X64uYk

[OddBeMe]

Uh, I’m cumming. Oh wait I’m not 5. Geopolitics and sanctions have more effect.

[priyakigaandme]

@OddBeMe You can cum but don't POOP here 😂🤣🤣