"I’m sure a lot of people are unaccepting of my heterosexual relationship and I don’t care"
Wait, what...
People who have an issue with your relationship will be doing so because they don't like your partner for whatever reason. It won't be because they're immorally opposed to a heterosexual couple. It's simply not analogous.
Thinking two people shouldn't be together because one of them happens to be an asshole or something, isn't the same as just opposing all relationships of a particular gender pairing.
"They convince their people within the community that society as a whole needs to be accepting of their relationship or else. Like why not just accept your own relationship and live how you want?"
Because... they can't live how they want. The whole point is that people who are against homosexuality will push their oppressive positions into politics or harass/assault people.
Nope that’s not it. My relationship has a massive age gap. Many people would be unaccepting, yet I don’t care. This is where you shouldn’t assume dear
Yes they can live how they want by the way. Plenty of gay couples not involved in that community because they see the toxicity and still live their life
" Nope that’s not it. My relationship has a massive age gap. Many people would be unaccepting, yet I don’t care. This is where you shouldn’t assume dear"
Then that's something you should have stated. That's on you for failing to provide important context to your point.
In that case, the analogy works a little better. Though I do not think age-gap relationships are in danger of being outlawed or being assaulted.
I would argue that you have every right to make a case for you having the relationship you want.
That’s actually on you for assuming and not asking questions, but even then there’s plenty of heterosexual couples that get ridiculed for different reasons such as race and you mostly see biracial couples living their life not giving af what others think.
I’m making a case because that community is toxic af and they don’t see it. I’m not talking about gays, I’m talking about forming a group and pushing narratives. Nothing more than politics making two groups and pushing false narratives to make the world a living chaos
The disconnect here is you think people that don’t support the group , don’t support gays when in reality there’s tons of people that literally just don’t support the group
It's not. That was important context that without it, your post reads like you think there are... anti-heterosexual movements... It was a minor failure to communicate your position. But it's not a big deal, just acknowledge the mistake and move on.
The mixed-race couples point might actually work as a better analogy. What with mixed-race couples only being able to marry in fairly recent history.
And those people were and are equally justified in defending their right to exist.
Nope never said it that way, the point here is they’re tons of other things in this world people hate on , yet the LGBTQ community is the only one that puts into narrative that people within the group need to fight society for their relationships
The point is biracial couples literally live their fucking life dude. They don’t give af. It’s rare , and I mean rare you see a biracial couple giving a shit how others feel
OK... Great for mixed raced couples.
Okay so thank you for not giving a valid reason as to why I should think the LGBTQ isn’t toxic
And that was sarcasm^
Actually it wasn’t sarcasm. Thank you for not giving a valid reason
You haven't presented an argument or example of the LGBT community being 'toxic'.
I'm not going to counter a point you didn't make.
Uhh my whole question is literally why the LGBTQ community is toxic. Look how many people post a day in here asking if their tranny life is acceptable or if their gay relationship is acceptable
That's not toxic.
Yes it is
Define 'toxic'.
The LGBTQ community pushing people to the point where they feel they need to download an anon app and ask if their relationship is acceptable is toxic as hell
I gave you an anecdote. It’s nothing more than our two politics groups that were created to create chaos in the world. That’s literally what the LGBTQ community was formed to do
No, no. Define the word. Not an example of what you think meets the definition - Because I don't think we share the same understanding of the word, so your example makes no sense to me. I want to know what you understand the word to mean.
A toxic person is anyone whose behavior adds negativity and upset to your life. Many times, people who are toxic are dealing with their own stresses and traumas. To do this, they act in ways that don't present them in the best light and usually upset others along the way.
^ there you go sis. Go on twitter type in “LGBTQ community is toxic” watch how many people gay and bi hate the group.
OK, that's better.
Not sure I entirely agree - 'Adding upset to your life' is... somewhat subjective to the individual. I would say targeted, mean spirited comments aimed at someone is toxic. But by your definition me just... standing around in a public place minding my own business could be 'toxic' if someone who just arbitrarily doesn't like me happens to be nearby. So I reject your definition.
I could say you're being toxic right now with your definition by 'adding negativity to my life'. I don't think you are, because I don't accept your definition. But you do - So... Do you think you're being toxic right now?
Girl , just so you know I pulled that definition straight off the internet, so that is simply you not accepting the definition of toxic for what it is
Then that definition is wrong, then.
It’s wrong to you because you don’t want it to be right.
It's wrong because it's meaningless. For reasons I already covered.
Dunno where you got your definition from - I can't seem to find it.
If I search for an online definition, I get;
"extremely harsh, malicious, or harmful"
From Merriam Webster
"causing unpleasant feelings; harmful or malicious"
From Dictionary. com
"causing you a lot of harm and unhappiness over a long period of time"
and
"very unpleasant or unacceptable"
From Cambridge Dictionary.
All of which are much clearer, shorter and more agreeable than what you provided.
“Toxic people” pops right up. And my definition is way better than all the definitions you posted combined. Yours barely make any sense to what we are discussing
Also, go on twitter type in “LGBTQ is toxic” you will see how it has affected people in that group in a negative and malicious way even though that is opposite of what they claim to be.
They make little sense to what we're discussing, because you've misused the word this whole time. You've not presented any example of toxic behaviour.
You obviously don't like some people or what they've said, but they aren't toxic. That word does not mean what you think it means.
What was your source for your definition?
My whole question is regarding to the community pushing a toxic narrative.
Dude evidentially you didn’t type in “toxic person” because it literally tops right up in bold text
Pops*
And I've demonstrated now that it's not toxic.
Actually you didn’t at all. You have proved nothing. All you have said is my definition of toxic is wrong, that gays don’t have the same rights which is bs, and that “great for biracial on not making their relationships a problem”
I've handily provided examples of what the word you've been misusing actually means.
You've provided a bad definition from a source you won't just provide for some reason. (Most likely because you're caught in a lie now.) And you haven't provided examples of toxic behaviour. (Based on an accurate definition.)
You don't have to agree, but unless you can actually present a case or a better definition, then we're done here.
It’s comical because your definitions are shorter versions of mine. You just want to be right. You have put up no valid reasoning on why the community isn’t toxic. It has impacted people negativity (even though promised to make a positive impact on everyone within the community) isn’t that similar to what politicians do as well within their politics groups?
We can be done here, because you know you have no real valid argument , so you feel the need to argue over the word toxic even though we all know what it means
Negatively ***
I don't 'want to be right'. I'm just really good at it.
I didn't get a chance to make a case that the 'community isn't toxic', because you never presented a case that it was based on an agreeable definition.
We're done here. Bye.
You have no argument so you have been arguing over the definition of what toxic means. It’s not toxic science to figure out what it means dear. I have presented a case. It’s my question, and you still presented no valid argument as to why the community isn’t toxic
Rocket science* Christ we have been going back and fourth on what toxic means now I’m making typos because you have no valid argument
Society being unaccepting of lgbtq relationships is what leaves lgbtq individuals in to harms way. It’s why lgbtq people are vulnerable to hate crime attacks, discrimination, and lgbtq kids increasingly make up an alarming amount of the population of homeless youth and face bullying and violence at school. so it’s extremely asinine to claim they shouldn’t fight for their right to not only love but to exist which has been increasingly denied.
But systemic change isn’t enough, societal and social change is needed. Which is why lgbtq people won’t be silenced by ignorant views that you're spouting, you lack a fundamental understanding of lgbtq history and rhe struggles they have to go threw everyday.
I think everyone these days has their own personal reason on why and how they can be personally attacked and I think it’s extremely toxic they that the LGBTQ community basically insists they need to spend a lifetime fighting against the haters instead of just living their lives, being happy, and enjoying their relationship around people that are supportive.
What don’t people get society won’t change? If someone wants to be homophobic , they will be. Just like if a female wants to be a jealous pos bully, she will be. Just like if someone is racist, they will continue to be, just like if someone fat shames, it’s because they want to not because they don’t already know what they are doing is wrong
Also side note , gays have the same exact freedoms as everyone else these days. The fact that they feel the need to parade their personal relationships around for validation is completely awful and that is the LGBTQ fueling that toxicity
Society is constantly changing and evolving: this is the basics of the evolutionary model.
If humans never changed we would never evolve and I’m pretty sure you agree that’s bs.
“Also side note, gays have the same exact freedoms as everyone else these days.”
How would you define freedom? Is freedom the fact that Around 3 in 10 LGBTQ Americans faced difficulties last year accessing necessary medical care due to cost issues, or the fact that 22% of LGBTQ Americans have not been paid equally or promoted at the same rate as their peers?
Doesn’t really seem like freedom to me.
“The fact that they feel the need to parade their personal relationships around for validation is completely awful and that is the lgbtq fueling that toxicity.”
You have a twisted idea of freedom and an even more twisted idea of “toxicity”
The fact that nationwide, more U. S. high school students who self-identify as lesbian, gay, or bisexual (LGB) report having been bullied on school property (32%) and cyberbullied (26.6%) in the past year than their straight peers (17.1% and 14.1%, respectively) is toxic not your feelings being hurt that lgbtq people have pride parades?
Give me a break. In these comments you say you don’t want homophobic replies yet spout homophobic non sense talking points?
You’re a fake Allie, if you actually care and want to fix that I suggest you educate yourself by reading books like a queer history of the United States by Michael bronski and the tradition by Jericho brown
Uhhh girl if society evolves from people hating then explain why racism is still not extinct? Because it never will be. As long as people see a difference, people will continue to hate and that’s just how it goes. It’s unfortunate at best , but that’s the world. And health care? You know how many people struggle to get good health care? Even people considerably on poverty funds still have trouble getting access to good health care. Health care wants their money, it has nothing to do with them hating. You think pharmaceuticals give a rats ass about people? Those are the same companies that don’t want to fix cancer, made opioids a epidemic , and are currently profiting majorly off of people getting sick from Covid
Unlike you, those people have a deep insecurity about not being normal and, for them, wide acceptance would be that they are normal and not weirdos. That is why they want their legal relationships to be called marriage, because then they will be just like the rest of us (or, at least, that is what they think.)
The thing is, they are just like the rest of us so like why on earth harp on the fact that there’s people that won’t accept it? Why live life that way and more importantly why does the group influence that acceptance of others matters?
Acceptance from others*
But they aren't just like the rest of us. Pretending otherwise is just pretending.
Your hatred for them isn’t the point. This isn’t supposed to be a homophobic post, this is supposed to be for me to get a better understanding on why they don’t think their “community” isn’t toxic for pushing narratives such as the one in my question
1. "Your hatred for them isn’t the point." I don't hate homosexuals and lesbians; I attend a church which openly welcomes people of all orientations and one of my best friends at church is homosexual. Recognizing that they are different is not the equivalent of hate, although that is the MSM's narrative.
If they are idnetical to us in all ways, then why is there a LGBTQ community?
2. "This isn’t supposed to be a homophobic post. . ." And it isn't.
3. "this is supposed to be for me to get a better understanding on why they don’t think their “community” isn’t toxic for pushing narratives such as the one in my question." You need to understand that they are different than heterosexuals. Their lives are different. They have different interests. They hang out at different places. They are entertained by different things. They face different pressures than we do. How can you possibly understand why they act differently that you or I would if you think they are just like us?
Do you realize that not all gays , lesbians, etc are apart of the LGBTQ community? It’s literally a political group at best. Nothing more than politicians making democrats vs republicans and Black Lives Matter making their own group
Once again, you pretending to not be homophobic doesn’t mean you aren’t. With the statements you have made , you sound pretty homophobic and that was not the point of this post. Have a great night
Yeah, you too.
They don’t actually. Just stop harassing them and they’ll be fine.
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Why does a certain section of the hetero community feel the need to convince others and try to pass legislation limiting the rights of lgbt members? Why can't we just be afforded the same rights and then be left alone? Why do they actively campaign to make our lives harder?
You can head over to twitter , type in “lgbtq community is toxic” and come back to me when that communities claims are a bit off, especially when they try and claim they are a group that benefits all their members when that is not the case
1. Straight people don’t have their own group
2. Straight people have never made claims regarding whether they are there to negatively or positively impact society
Straight people do have their own group, it's called a majority of society.
Straights have made PLENTY of claims about us. We have the religious right claiming we are all going to hell. We have one in your thread saying we should be sent to Mars. We have others saying that I need a man to basically f*ck me straight so I stop hooking up with women. In some countries we are killed for being homosexual.
We are asking for tolerance and acceptance. There are a not so insignificant portion of the straight group looking for our incarceration or our blood to be spilled.
Please reconsider your stance when you ask why we try and push for acceptance. In some of our cases, it's very literally life or death.
So being a majority of society makes you a group? I don’t think so girl. Being a human is a life or death situation. Learn to just be happy, live life and stop focusing on people that hate on your relationship
Would love to. Mind getting them to stop sending death threats, coming to people's homes and dragging them off in the middle of the night never to be seen again, or having laws put in place making it harder for us to access health care or serve our country?
Just asking for millions of friends around the world who face dangers daily from people who hate us.
You think health care gives a rats ass about people? You have people in poverty struggling to get health care. You have pharmaceuticals not caring to fix cancer, making opioids an epidemic, profiting majorly off people dying and being majorly sick from Covid. Those people you are talking about that hate? How many straight people actually go up to gay peoples doors and commit crimes? A very needle point size majority. It’s people being bullied at best. Bullying is everywhere and will never ever go away. It’s unfortunate and it’s sad, but It truly will never go away.
Cool. Out of curiosity, do you get bullied for being straight? Can you have a doctor refuse to see or treat you just because you happen to like other women?
You know when it was legal for me to marry another woman anywhere in the US?
2015. You've had that right forever.
You know when it was no longer legal for my employer to fire me just for being gay?
2020.
It's not just bullying, it's about continuing to fight for acceptance just to get the basic things you take for granted. It's the same kind of fight women made just so you and I could vote.
Instead of telling us to basically just stop fighting and accept what we have, why not just let us do what we need to do to get on even ground?
@ez-bri-z the point being is that the LGBTQ community has created more chaos in the past couple years about absolutely nothing. On top of the fact, that they are against their own people in many situations. Have I gotten bullied? Absolutely. Not for being straight. But I have been bullied as a straight woman myself
Absolutely nothing to you because it isn't your experience. To us it means everything. Again, it isn't your struggle so it really also isn't your place to tell us how or when we should fight for our rights.
We get bullied for all kinds of things, yes, but why make it something that is justified by legal methods?
Do you not agree that the LBGTQ has negatively and positively affected people within the community even though their goal was to create positivity. Again, go on twitter you will see some bi’s and straights appalled with the LBGTQ community
Bi’s and gays , not straights my bad
Actually I am against church going exactly for that reason on top of other horrible things that church condone
Do you not think that all those groups were created to create chaos and divide? Women don’t even agree with feminism anymore, that’s how far and negative the feminist community has gotten
The problem isn't they have to accept it.
It's the people who don't accept it, bully harrass and sometimes violently attack them for just being out the closet.
The problem isn't the LGBTQ it's the violently bully group who call them mentally disturbed or get violent for just wanting to live how they want.
It causes many to fear being out, or ashamed of who they are because of the constant bullying
Do you think that will continue to happen regardless? I think the amount of people that do choose to hate on them in that way is minimum at the most, especially in this day and age. I think it’s just a thing whereas as long as people spit a difference, they will hate. It’s basically like racism. Unfortunately racism will not go away because it’s taught behavior just as much as homophobia is. And it’s not just parents teaching. It’s the fact that we have literally the biggest access to different opinions that influence us everyday thanks to social media.
Spy a difference*
Yes, racism and homophobia is the same.
And as a black woman that constantly hear the small group of racists in this country remind me over and over again.
That they think we are stupid, we are ugly, nobody wants to date us, we are cry babies.
We are all criminals.
It takes a toll on us mentally.
I am strong and try to do my best to avoid people and comments like that but it's their and hurts me sometimes.
I am mentally strong so i can rise up.
But not everyone can handle this torture.
And let's be honest that's what it is. Mental torture to force gay people to convert to being straight or at the very least hide who they are.
So i ask you, if people tried to torture people for being a certain way, do you not think there will be some groups that would be toxic?
And just like a large group do this to them, it's a small group of gay people who act like that.
But the toxic people are always the loudest. Making it seem much worst than it is.
Same goes for straight people.
So if you as a gay person is already feeling vulnerable, years of this bullying would turn you in to a toxic human being
So you confirmed that the group is indeed toxic due to traumas. This is the point being. That’s exactly my point. But that can come to the point where it creates more negative than positive. In the near future, I see the group becoming a very negative thing to society
No the group isn't.
A small portion of them, yes.
But as always people outside of the group never listen to the good people they listen to the bad.
It's a bias that causes this.
If you purposely focus on all the negative people in the group it makes it easier to not like the group.
I mean we seriously probably talking 10 to 15% of the lgbtq community that's toxic, rhe 90 ti 85 % ain't.
The purpose of the group was to create an entirely positive outcome was it not?
Again, wasn’t the point of the group to create an entirely positive outcome?
The point of the group is to create positivety
Okay so let's do this since you don't get it.
I'm not sure what your race is.
But what ever it is the small group of bad ones, are you responsible for them?
Do we say you have failed them?
No.
Just like the lgbtq has millions of members it is impossible for them to keep them 100% positive
There will always be negative people who take things to the extreme.
This goes for everything metoo people took advantage of a good cause.
Every movement has people who will use it for selfish gains.
You can't control everyone.
The government can't stop criminals from being criminals. We still got them. With all the laws in place to stop they still commit crimes
The aren’t asking that everyone approve of their relationships they are asking people not to discriminate biased off of their sexual orientation.
I think they need their own place maybe Mars.
Homophobic replies weren’t apart of this question.
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