I have no issue with the LGB part of that. I have friends and acquaintances who are gay and don't judge them as different. People can sleep with who they want. I don't understand the attraction of sleeping with someone of the same sex, but they can do what they want and I won't judge one way or the other.
It's the transgender part of this that I have an issue with. You say in your question that it is 2018 so we should "get used to it." That right there is a huge part of my issue with trannys. If they want to mutilate their genitals, play dress up as the opposite sex and claim they are something they aren't, they are free to do so. However, when they start shoving these beliefs down normal people's throats and start trying to make changes to how society functions to better accommodate them, we then have issues. Transgenders make up less than 1% of the U. S. population, yet they think society as a whole should change how they do things. No more him or her, you need to ask what someone's pronouns are and if you don't you need to go to jail. We also need to let biological men into women's restrooms and vice versa, even though the majority of trannys never go through with the surgery and still have their correct biological genitalia. Also if we straight males don't want to date a biological man who now claims to be a woman, we are transphobic (that goes vice versa as well). Why should straight males be forced to be attracted to another biological male (who in all likelihood still has a dick, or if he doesn't has a fake vagina), just because they wear a dress? The fact that they, as less than 1% of the population, think they can change how the rest of us do things and think they can change biology is completely ridiculous. Transgenderism is a mental illness, what they really need is to be put through treatment to help them cure the illness, they don't need people tolerating and encouraging it which will only make it worse. So that is the issue i have with the transgender community. We shouldn't be "getting used to them," they can do what they want but they need to " get used to" people addressing them by their actual male or female pronoun, using the bathroom they are supposed to based on their sex, and normal people not wanting to date them. Also they should "get used to" science and biology because you can't change it.
@JenSCDC Whats your source? Have you ever heard of gender dysphoria? It's classified as a mental illness in the DSM 5.
it being 2018 has no weight as an argument. i don't get why people try and conflate the year with progress.
i have no issue with the lgbt community. i have no issue with gay marriage, couldnt care less who you find attractive or choose to date. you do you, i'll do me.
i do have an issue with how identity politics is becoming hilariously overcomplicated as sensitive people try and find a new name for what is basically the same trait as other people have. hundreds of genders, people having kneejerk reactions to people finding people of certain descriptors attractive, or calling someone trans.
I think it's because of how we act sometimes more than our lifestyles. We demand tolerance, but we don't tolerate those with different views than our own. Yes I disagree with them, and yes I wish we could all be happy with who we are, but you can't expect everyone to like you. We have it better than we've ever had it. We're not beat in the street anymore for who we are. Yes we suffer some discrimination, but if the main extent of it is that we can't get a cake made, but we can get married to who we love, and reap all the benifits of it, I'll take my pound of flesh and live and let live.
Because it’s new and different and people are telling them it’s bad for no reason.
And maybe because there used to be so many laws against those things? So people have that mental carryover from those times?
I think it's because a good handful try to force/shove it in their face. Like, if you don't romantically like gays/lesbians, you're homophobic. If you don't romantically like transsexuals, you're transphobic.
You can like or hate something without romantic attraction to that thing...
@ryanlightning: Yeah, I know. I was saying some of them will call you a homophobe and/or transphobic just because.
Ummm that’s not true lol you can NOT having attraction towards the same gender and most people wouldn't call you a homohobes... people who do are just stupid
@rachel_1212: I know. I was saying some of the people who are gay, lesbian, and trans call people that just because. Stupidity can be one of the reasons and because they got their feelings hurt.
Well tbh im a lesbian, but i wouldn’t date a trans woman if she still has male genital. I really don’t want to offend anybody but that’s just a fact tbh
Right on. It's all preference. And I think that's what some people don't understand.
Quite honestly it's beyond me how people still lack basic tolerance and understanding - it's not like we're trying to force people to turn gay or change their gender, we just want a little bit of respect 🙄
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Im against the community but not what it stands for. In that I'm completely for the rights of gays, lesbians, trans people, etc BUT I've found that the community has become toxic and is falling down the same poisonous rabbit hole of feminism whereby everyone who isn't part of that group is now an enemy. All this nonsense with people losing their jobs over misuse of pronouns or people being labelled transphobic for not wanting to date a trans person, basically creating issues where none need exist is why im against the community. I wish everyone who is part of it all the luck in the world and i would fight for their rights... but the community as a whole is no longer something I can support
I also said im completely for the primary objectives of the movement. Im not against what they strive for but im not going to blindly support a movement that is going in a direction I don't agree with.
That's also not what I said. I wouldn't stop supporting a movement because one person said something negative towards me. Why would I judge an entire group of people on the actions of one person? You're just highlighting how immature you are since you literally have nothing to argue against my point but you just feel the need to comment to try and display some moral superiority that doesn't exist.
What I quite clearly said was that the direction the movement has been headed in is what Im against and the examples I gave are instances of this.
Like I said, if you don't have something constructive to say (which evidently seems to be the case) then don't comment at all. Its quite sad really that even though nothing in my comment is in any way negative towards anyone you think that makes me an awful person. Having an opinion different to yours is literally the only thing that makes me an awful person
Not remotely what I said. It seems the only method you have to debate is twist words. First of all, you don't have to be part of a movement to support it. If thats the case, what does it matter if I do or don't support it? (Can you see why what you're saying doesn't make much sense?)
Also not an example of me being a horrible person but by all means continue...
Twisting words again... wow! Your immaturity is glaringly obvious!
I never once said I knew what was best for their movement. I don't and would never claim to. Its also not about them "being mean" as you seem to put it.
This is what you did last time. Its super immature. Maybe instead of putting words in my mouth, why don't you address what I actually said?
Here's an example. I don't support the feminist movement either. Yet im for equality, I support most of the individual movements that exist within feminism. Does that make me a horrible person? Because its exactly the same case with the LGBT community. Im not trying to limit the rights of anyone (quite the opposite actually) but for some reason that makes me a horrible person. Yet so far you haven't given me a reason why, instead you've just used fake quotes in a childish manner and then implied I said thing which I didn't.
Its not about knowing better and perhaps if you were a little more mature, you would realise that. People always have different opinions. I don't think I know better than every single person I have a different opinion from.
Im not sure why that's hard to grasp but im glad we at least agreed on something!
@Astoriana you should kill yourself n**
Christians are mostly offended because it goes against the Bible.
Well the biggest thing is there's this big thing of oh it doesn't affect you just let me be happy. But first of most of all Transgenders and "genderfluid demiboykins and such" will force their identities down your throat regardless of scientific fact of difference sex in their brains. Also I don't really have anything directly against gay people. But I'm not completely supportive of it because I can't imagine gay people getting a fullness of joy that a straight person could have in a straight relationship. They can't have natural kids and they lack the natural dichotomy. Men and women really complete each other and I can't see the same for same gendered relationships.
Sorry got a little side tracked. But the reason people hate the LGBTQ community is because they're vile in the pride parades where they do disgusting sexual things in public and even involve children. Also people see it as unnatural and they don't want to have to see such things. I'm not for what they believe in but they think it's also sin (at least the religious types) and they don't want to have sin being rampant through their surroundings. Some have just been taught to hate. Some fear it because they can see that part in themselves. Some people are mostly against the marriage because marriage has always been meant as a sacred act between a man and a woman. Many see it as an attack on the family as natural families cannot be made from gay relationships. Children of gay parents have trouble understanding the opposite gender and feel like they have no choice in the matter of being straight or gay, they don't have a role model for both genders. They don't understand both genders well enough to empathize well. It has actually been showing that problems insue there, often problems similar psychologically to single parents households.
I don't expect you to come to believe the same things I believe, but I want to you to understand this perspective. That's what you asked for isn't it?
This kind of stuff is my reason for disagreement. I don't hate people based on their sexual orientation, but this kind of stuff is just something that i call mental illness
1. That attitude is one of the main reasons. So what if it's 2018? It doesn't make a difference! Besides, why should I be forced into accepting something?
2. When accidentally misgendering someone can get you fired from your job, and fined for hate speech, something is really fucking wrong. That isn't tolerant at all. It is scientifically proven that there are two genders for most living organisms. Male and Female. You are what you're born as, and that is something that you can't change no matter what you want.
3. Why should I support something I can't relate to?
Firstly it's 2018 so get used to the LGBT community.
Lol that's not a valid reason nor excuse, that's like saying it's 1000 AD so you had better get used to being raped and sold into slavery.
Why should I or anyone else for that matter accept or be forced to accept a transgender for example?
Medical professionals say that if I cut off my own hand or leg that I'm mentally unstable and should be locked up and given psychiatric help.
Yet if a person cuts off their own dick or breasts and has their own vagina sewed up and a fake dick attached and unnatural hormones that there body doesn't produced in high levels forced into their bodies that they are perfectly sane, stable and healthy individuals in society.
Why should I be forced to accept someone that mutilates themselves and suffers from an actual mental disorder, recognized by medical professionals and backed by science. Showing that this person is not stable or mentally right.
Because some people just chose to hate what they can’t understand.
Cos the lgbt community started representing imaginary genders instead of just simply asking for some rights for homosexuals. Plus their way of asking for rights and "raising awareness" is stupid.
well for starters isn't it lgbtq now and there adding a A also, well for secondly all our lives r about to effect urs and how u c things a certain way and ur emotions towards the matter, thirdly idc who dates who but to answer ur question in 10 years kids that r straight will probably be picked on and it will be weird to be straight like the whole thing is gonna do a 180 which is bad that we can't just have neutralism
Where I live, people don't. At least not as a general. Sure, there are individuals, but we're people. There's always going to be some people who are against anything they aren't.
I think most people don't really care , whats others do with their life, however it's the LGBT community seems to be the ones complaining. If you refuse to date a bisexual or a Transgender. Then they label you homophobic and transphobic. So maybe the LGBT needs to look at themselves and decide it they want to be treated as everyone else, or if they constantly want to complain for everything.
Are they or do they not really care. Some lgbt folks get made when there is no drama that they invent persecutions. If they want drama they should visit the middle East where gays are thrown off tall buildings
Some people will use any excuse to be evil and hate others.
I don't support lgbt and im against it , but i wouldn't bully someone who is lgbt or be mean to them idc tbh but i still find lgbt very wrong
So you say you don't support it but then say you don't care... Why is it wrong?
Because i believe its against the human nature and a mental illness and this is coming from a bi person but i would never act on my bisexuality as i see it as very wrong and i don't care if a person is in lgbt or not i would still be nice to them thats what i meant but i wouldn't support them
So you wouldn't support someone who's exactly the same as you? You do realise homosexuality is seen in nature right?
Yep i wouldn't support them and they aren't exactly like me they act on it while me on the other hand i don't , also some animals eat their kids should i use that as an excuse to eat my kids in the future? and humans and animals share illnesses doesn't mean the illness is good
Ok then, why don't you go to a psychiatrist and get some medicine to cure your mental bisexuality illness?
Also why do they need my support? Im sure friends don't support you on every decision you make in life , only thing that matters is if you're getting bullied not if you're not supported because people won't always have the same opinions you have
Im not bothered by it so i don't need a therapist i can control myself i would only seek help if i couldn't
This has actually been hilarious, thank you so much for the laughs. This one has definitely been a first for me
You welcome hun i hope you're always laughing and never sad 😊
I don't hate them, I just don't understand it that's all. But I don't find them less good people or anything.
Because men are afraid of being treated the same way that they treat women.
What does that mean?
@Coconut_Man like warm holes to be fucked, and not actual people. Like a collection of parts they find attractive, and not a mind to be respected.
Umm okay then.
I think some people are put off by the demands for special legal protection and such.
But it's not even that, how does 2 guysholding hands in public have anything to do with legal protection and a guy and girl holding hands doesn't? The reason they have legal protection is because people would harm them if they didn't
Its discrimination, it's like going up to someone and shouting jew before punching them.
are they?
for all the bellend nutjobs choosing to judge there are twice as many who care little for what folks do in a sexual sense
Trans are disgusting and should be forced by law to represent themself as such at first time they meet someone.
It affects our lives because they boast about it so much, sorta like vegans and feminists
I'm not against them I just don't share the same point of view
Most of us sincerely don't care.
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