400 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Oh wow. I expected this to go one way and went a different way.
While men's beauty standards to bother me a bit, I don't find it super threatening in the same way. But after years of a "mandatory bikini shot" of girls in movies that I grew up with, it's kinda nice to see "mandatory shirtless shot" in newer movies. Namely Marvel movies. Because having grown up with sexy women shots, it always made me feel like I was the "undesirable gender". Girl undresses in a sitcom, and saxophone music kicks in. Guy undresses in sitcom, and everyone covers their eyes a two of them vomit. That sort of thing really kills your self-esteem and makes it feel like taking care of yourself isn't worth it. You'll be undesirable either way.
But yeah, I totally get and regularly notice what you are saying. And to add to it, the ideal male figure is WAYY harder to achieve than the ideal male figure. Much of the ideal female figure involves staying some version of thin. Rather that be skinny or curvy. But the male body type presented as beautiful is one you can generally only maintain temporarily, and have to very aggressively maintain.
If I recall, requiring actresses to have diet restrictions is now illegal. I mean, for the better. But like, it's still very much legal and very much the norm to require aggressively strict diet and fitness regimens for male actors. During shoots for Marvel films, basically any actor (probably named Chris) is required to eat only white rice and steamed chicken breast, and generally has to work out for an hour or two each day to eliminate whatever remaining fat they have. That "ripped" look on someone muscular generally is a symptom of malnutrition and sometimes dehydration, which they have to sustain long enough for a photo shoot or a movie. The body tries to gain fat when it gains muscle. Basically when your body gains muscle, it wants to look less like Thor and more like The Mountain. So for instance with Mr Universe pageants, they'll often start getting more of that Mountain look, and then leading into the pageant itself, they cut way back and then dehydrate themselves before the actual contest. Then they'll let it go a bit.
I mean this isn't the case for everyone. Like I'm pretty sure Jason Mamoa looks like that a lot of the time without starving himself. But for guys where that isn't already a hobby, it basically has to take over their life for as long as they want to maintain it.
Honestly, I think more important than simply having people of different shapes in film, they would need to have people of different shapes... and then portray them as desirable. They do have a history of doing this more with guys (usually "it's their personality"), while it's pretty uncommon to show a guy crushing on a thicker girl. But they do portray girls with relatively more attainable body types, whereas girls aren't as often shown gushing over a guy's looks unless he's in the absolute top echelon of chiseled.
Not sure why, but this kinda reminded me of The Hunger Games. Like, Katniss was a relatively normal looking girl. I mean super pretty, but normal. While the guys did look a little pretty-boy-ish, like Peeta didn't seem super ripped. He seemed more attainable, and yet still looked really good.
Of course, I have a soft spot for movies where the girl saves the guy, and her simply still liking him, and it not taking anything away. More often than not, it's a punchline. Or the girl is trying to save another girl and talking about how pathetic men are in the process.10 Reply
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Cry me a f*cking river. Women are scientifically proven to be ten times more shallow than men ever are. Or will you also stand up for all the guys under six feet or guys with small dicks who women sh*t on constantly every day and mislabel as "incels," as well? Cause, you know, f*ck male suicide rates skyrocketing while obese and extremely ugly women can make six figures on OnlyFans or selling their farts. You're proving the stereotype that "women only care about themselves" correct.


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"Selling their farts"
Now I want to gag at those women.
+1 ywe get hated or even shamed on for rejecting short men but it is ok to bodyshame non curvy or non shaven women etc. It is ok if you prefere shaven women for example but stop hating on non shaven women. Using words like gross, unhygienic etc is inappropriate etc. and nobody call non shaven men like this which us hypocritical I can understand that you are not attracted to such women but i also dont call men manlets just because i am not attracted to short men. I would be stoned for saying that i am disgusted of short men for example but it is ok to dehumanize or calling women disgusting etc just because they dont fit in your preferences. I also dont understand the whiny bitter boys. Yes it is not ok to blame men for this but there are 100000000000 incel questions on gag that blame every shit on women. Where the fuck are you when there are so many disgusting antiwoman questions? You get butthurt when a female ask a question like this but suddenly you stfu when there are thousand of retarded incel questions. I swear gag is the home of bittter whiny hypocritical little boys who are mostly in their 30s
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Can you delete my opinion. I was unnecassarily agressive in my post and generalize which was wrong
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You can anonymise it if you wish.
IDC if you call short men manlets or whatever else if you pay similar respects to disrespect. - +1 y
You are proving men's stereotypes about women to be correct.
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And you are proving women's stereotypes about boys like you to be correct. 😊 but thank you for your rant❤❤
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@Nomoturtle... similar respects to disrespect? What do you mean lol
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@hi_it_is_me123 You're pointing out a double standard. This is one way to resolve it.
Respect disrespect: You respect the fact that others will insult you too, with no consequent stoning either way, much unlike the current discourse as you're pointing out in this area, and as others will point out in other areas.
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can you be more clear? Where is this douple standard? Anyway i wrote this post while being angry and emotionally. Dont take it too personal and serious
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What i am saying is that everyone is entitled to its physical preference. If you prefere women like victorian secret model, you should not bodyshame women who ain't like victorian secret model or if women prefere tall or muscular men, women should not bodyshame short/non muscular men.
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So prefere what you want, i dont care as long as you are not bodyshaming anyone. I am very opend minded when it comes to physical preferences
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I dont understand the point of forcing anyone to date me even though he is not attracted to me due to me height, weight, etc
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@hi_it_is_me123 You were pointing out this double standard:
"I would be stoned for saying that i am disgusted of short men for example but it is ok to dehumanize or calling women disgusting etc just because they dont fit in your preferences"
"i dont care as long as you are not bodyshaming anyone."
And that's the other way to resolve the double standard; preventing all offense, shaming, etc, which I'm not especially fond of. Offense is taken, not given. If two people talk to each other about common preferences and you find that offensive, then under this resolution you would seek to have them silenced.
Alternatively if someone calls "shame" on you and you take no heed of it, it doesn't affect you. Furthermore, you can remember what people say and get a general profile of what people actually think, and act (or don't) accordingly.
Let people be honest. Even if that means insulting people. If you'd rather not insult people, then fair enough to you. I generally wouldn't either. But I don't think you should be figuratively stoned for saying short men disgust you any more than the men you're complaining about presumably saying that unshaven women disgust them. - +1 y
You can tell your preferences without being an asshole. Is that so difficult to understand? How is that douple standard? I dont have to tolerate asshole behaviour. Would you be also ok if a girl calls you a disgusting manlet instead of rejecting you in a nice way? Would you be nice to her and even be thankful for doing "freedom of expression". You dont have to use insults such as manlet, disgusting, etc when expressing your preferences. I dont silence anyone and i just think it is unnecassary and inappropriate If you behave like an asho**, then you have to endure the consequences. There is reason why people like women who call short men manlets get hated. You are the one who expect us to respect disrespect. As i said i dont want to silence anyone but i would not be quiet if someone insults me just because i am not his dream girl due to my looks.
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I think you misunderstand me. I dont want to silence anyone just because the person use insults etc.
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"How is that douple standard?"
I don't know why I have to explain you to you. This is you pointing out a double standard: "I would be stoned for saying that i am disgusted of short men for example but it is ok to dehumanize or calling women disgusting etc just because they dont fit in your preferences"
The double standard is that men complaining about unshaven women are not being stoned, even though it offends you, while if you were to say that you're disgusted by manlets, you would be stoned. This is the double standard I'm referring to, the one you are calling out as unfair, the one you're complaining about.
"i dont want to silence anyone but" + "I think you misunderstand me. I dont want to silence anyone"
I'm not saying you're saying that, or even that you would want that. I'm saying that's the logical conclusion to the resolution of preventing insults and harm.
"You can tell your preferences without being an asshole"
Indeed you can try, but offensive is nonetheless subjective, taken rather than given, and people will call you an arsehole even if you think you aren't, sometimes even for preferences (and even though you clearly outline this as permissible, I'm sure we can both think of examples that you'd find unconscionable).
"Would you be also ok if a girl calls you a disgusting manlet instead of rejecting you in a nice way?"
I may be hurt, I may dislike the manner in which it was done and have personally have done it differently, and yet I wouldn't take away her ability to insult me if she wanted to. For one, I would know she wanted to hurt me, and two, I would know the real reason why I was dumped, as opposed to a lie, for example the well worn "it's not you, it's me". That's more useful for me, and the girl is also free to speak her mind. - +1 y
You can't chsnge your age, looks etc. Weight, bodyhair ain't point of the post. So if you can change it, it is ok to bodyshame? Are you ok with virgin shaming men, since you can change your bodycount?
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Looooool the question is about ANTIMAN toxic beauty standards and NOT men's toxic standards. The people who misunderstand the question attacked the asker, women or again feminism which is not new since every little snowflake like to blame every shit on feminism. After the update little snowflakes again blame women and feminists. Lool. Ok my reply to question is now that just dont be a unattractive fat little snowflake:) and i can give you a cookie so you stop crying. Like the answere? No. Then read the comments of men who respond like this when they misunderstood the question. I love the hypocrisy of little dicks on gag.
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You made it a point, smart one. I'm telling you why your analogy is stupid. You can reject people for whatever you want but don't act like it's the same when one is a choice and the other isn't.
Wtf is your dumbass even on about? Men's toxic beauty standards my ass, men are much more lenient than women are when it comes to looks or otherwise. You just don't like being called on your crap so you throw a temper tantrum.
Yeah, I'm the hypocrite. You whine about body shaming and then attack people for little dicks or whatever the fuck, you're a retard 😂 - +1 y
Lool the little dick retarded piece of shit is so triggered by post to the point you insult the whole time, you retarded dumbass. My anology ain't stupid as your rant, fucktard. I just point a hypocrisy foolish idiot cunt. I dont care what you prefere stupid fuck. I also said that you can't change your age, looks etc and there is no choice fucktard. Go fucking learn to read. Nowhere i act like it is the same when one is choice and one is not, retarded cunt. The age is not for example and many men do care about age, piece of shit. You are just pissed that that many women ain't manlets like you, used up old cunt. Wtf is your dumbass on about, little dick? You are saying that i am throwing a temper tantrum when you are using insults, slurs, swear words out of nowherr and attack me. Now i will use your ridiculous insults and some of your rant against you, little piece if shit. And i dont cry about bodyshaming and i am just meaning if we are going to bodyshame, then make it fair, fucktard and so dont cry. Omg how stupid and foolish can you also be, bastard? Using insults like little dicks amd bodyshaming someone is not the same cunt. Are you shaming mental ill people by using words like retard cunt? Wtf is wrong with you. You can't even make a difference between insulting and bodyshaming
Whatever i blocked you. I am not going to read your bullshit and go cry somewherelse incel - +1 y
It is extremely funny when little boys like you use arguments that there is no choice in order to not be seen as shallow. I dont care whether you prefere victorian secret model or not. I respect people's phsyical preferences and i just dont understand why you would call a man manlet instead of rejecting him in a nice way for example or calling women old damaged for not being young pretty girl for example. In my experience women get hated for having physical preferences such as prefering tall men and it does not mattrr whether you can't change it or not. It is part of the sexuality. Are you homophobic when you are not attracted to men since they also can't change it? And again before you accuse me of bodyshaming. There is a fucking difference between using politically incorrect words like manlet, f*g, inc**, f*t, ret*** etc to insult people and really bodyshaming people etc because this is the point of insults and you are NOT automatically bodyshaming, virgin shaming, shaming mental ill people when you use these insults. Do i really need to explain this? I also insulted you because you use insults out of nowhere against me and i had to lower myself to your level in order to speak the way you understand
Anonymous(25-29)+1 yWe can never change this ignorance of today's men, but most of the women are really happy with this, the sad truth. How can we prevent women from being seen as sex dolls with the influence of the media and social media? The answer to this is still not found.
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Do you not know that you woman do the exact same thing?
Since when did woman settle for average 5/10 Joe?
You only date 10/10 chads... But we're the one who gets the criticism and not your gender?
News flash, both genders want someone hot... So stop thinking you're perfect little angels who never do anything wrong... You're doing wrong right now with this post by being fucking hypocrites, and you can't even see you're being hypocrites cos y'all got your heads so far up your own asses.. oh so perfect aren't you oh wow. Whatever
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The words "this needs to be stopped" reveal that OP is probably a university student who is being indoctrinated into Feminism and other forms of Communism.
My beauty ideal is Barbie.
Why?
Because I am a white man who understands history and biology, especially racial genetics.
I find other races to be physically repulsive and the idea of sex with any of them is a form bestiality to be me.
The ideal white female form can be seen in classical Greek and Roman statues. Their bodies are well conformed and fit and their facial structures are classically white.
For the benefit of younger generations, from whom much knowledge of history and science has been withheld, the ancient Greeks and Romans were racially very different to the current inhabitants of those pieces of real estate.
In more modern context, the 20-year-old versions of actresses Kim Bassinger, Dianne Kruger, or Britt Ekland show my physical ideal.
As for a male beauty standard, I think that it would be difficult to improve on actor Robert Shaw, as he appeared in From Russia With Love and The Battle of the Bulge, or actor Dolph Lundgren as he appeared in Rocky IV.
Any white woman who does not admit to an itch in the ovaries when she looks at those two men in their prime is a liar.
What we each perceive to be beauty is actually an assessment (usually subconscious) of someone's genetic fitness as a mate.
Part of that assessment is defining racial characteristics, such as bone length and shape, muscle shape, facial structure (especially the nose), eye colour and hair colour.00 Reply
Anonymous(18-24)+1 yThe comments section below is honestly disappointing to read. There are many sexist comments coming mostly from men who think women only date men who are "10/10" and super muscular etc.
The same could be said about men who only date girls that are "10/10". This isn't a "women's thing", its a society thing.
Society tells women that men who are tall and muscular with sharp jawlines are attractive. Society tells men that women who are petite, slim-thick with a small waist and a big butt and big boobs are attractive. And if you don't apply to these standards, you're not seen as "attractive" by society.
Any person who has a few working brain cells will tell you that all that is complete bullshit that society feeds us. You don't have to be a super ripped man to be seen as attractive, and you don't need to fit into the "small waist/big boobs/big butt" fiasco to be seen as an attractive woman.
But of course, not many people would be down to date a girl or guy who is obese, because that's unhealthy. I'm not talking about people who have a little weight on them or are a little chubby, I'm talking about people who are so obese they literally can't live life normally. That's unhealthy and not attractive.
Both women and men have a crazy weight on their shoulders from society telling them they need to look perfect and achieve those unattainable beauty standards in order to be happy. That's absolutely false.
As long as you're healthy, taking care of yourself and loving yourself, you'll attract the right people who will appreciate you for who you are and those who don't give a damn about stupid beauty standards.10 Reply1.7K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Competition exists. no matter what games you try to play to level the playing field. I bet if men accepted the idea that any fat, fugly, lazy woman is "hot", you women would then find something else to whine about & demand that men need to accept. Next thing it would be that men must accept a woman having 5 boyfriends and not complain about it or else it's "controlling". Yadda, yadda. It never ends, which is why a lot of us men got of the "try to please women" train and went in the opposite direction. We raised our standards. Tough luck for self-centered lazy women.
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+1 yI've never felt threatened by men's "beauty" standards. I've always considered them fitness standards. A level of physical preparation every man worth his salt to aspire to and maintain. Fitness goes beyond attracting women. Being fit makes you live longer. It makes it harder to prey upon you, because you bite back. It makes you more capable in every way. It separates capable men from incapable ones. You'll survive longer if you are fit. And it is a never ending process, because the body won't maintain fitness on its own. You have to constantly be working out. That's just reality. We all wish we could get fit and then stay that way without effort, but nature deemed that not to be so.
10 Reply 1.6K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. People should go after others on a similar level as themselves. If they have high standards, they also need to fit the high standards of others. If somebody wants someone that is fit, they should be fit themselves. (Fit means in shape/athletic. Skinny does not equal fit.)
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+1 yI don't know where you girls are getting this "beauty standard" bullshit from.. sounds like your pulling it out if your ass or making assumptions about men because you spend your whole life online on twitter and stuff... No guys in the real life have unreasonable high standards... Do you really think guys only go out with girls who are 10/10 and above?
Actually guys are pretty humble and will usually take average girls 5/10 and above. I know I do, infact I'd date a 4/10 cos I'd be lucky to get anyone... It's you girls who have the high standards.. y'all only go out with 10/10 muscular chads with big muscles and perfect personality... Maybe we should complain about girls high standards...15 Reply- +1 y
Imagine if us men called it woman's toxic beauty standards.. men don't do that cos were not jerks like you're gender.. but imagine if we did.. how would you like it.. maybe we should
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BY the way it's our own fucking human rights to pick whatever girl we want or set our own standards.. how the fuck you gonna choose what standards men should have?
We don't determine what standards you girls should have... I could I would lower the bar to 4/10 and above... F off - +1 y
Sorry this post jus really pisses me off
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Who do u consider a 9 or a 10?
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+1 yWell, I am a guy who is rated pretty low in terms of GaG beauty standards.
I have never had a problem.
Why do so many GaG males lack confidence?00 Reply
+1 yYeah, that's because men aren't whiny losers who would rather be victims than put effort into bettering themselves.
Working out 6 days a week is not "toxic", it makes me feel good about myself, both psychologically and physically.
To me seeing fit men isn't a source of insecurity or envy, it's a source of motivation.
Women just ought to grow up and stop being career victims.00 Reply12.2K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Don't be such a small minded jerk and gatekeep. That dimwit on Youtube is just courting controversy for the payout, not because he has any understanding of the game.
Advertising and production do not drive culture - it's the other way round. People have those standards, and companies modify to produce for it.00 Reply
+1 yMen don't talk about it as often as women, so it's ignored. On top of that, when we do, we're considered weak, cry babies, and we need to "get over it."
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+1 yI love when people say its unrealistic. I've personally dated models and porn stars. Ofc photos and video can have editing and pro makeup and such but they are real women. I dont think its a big deal. Ofc men and women should aspire to maintain a healthy attractive body. All these fatasses complaining about airbrushing... yeah thats your issue. Smdh
10 Reply My only beauty standard is that I find her attractive. I don't eant to say I have lower standards. That would be insulting to the women I find attractive, but I don't buy into the fake beauty standards that I believe are created by porn and the fashion industry, not men. A lot of men just fall for it.
10 Reply2.4K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. I live in Southern California and the women here are extremely superficial. If you're not 6 feet tall and don't look like a gym rat narcissist, you're a low value man. They are even worse to each other.
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Anonymous(45 Plus)+1 yNo one cares about any male issue, we are entirely disposable and its made very clear to us from the beginning.
This is why so many men kill themselves.20 ReplyDo you honestly believe that most men actually give a crap about living up to some silly beauty standard? Most of us have more important things to worry about.
20 ReplyDoubt men care about male "beauty standards" and how you are invisible if you are the "666" pack. I see average/below average men with mediocre jobs with beautiful women all the time, the opposite is rare to find.
00 ReplyYou're not going to stop people from having their own opinions. People aren't toxic because you didn't get your way when you stomped your feet princess... Get over it.
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Anonymous(18-24)+1 yAdvertising has a lot to do with this, are you willing to battle them?
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Asker+1 yYes. I did so by ignoring those marketing ads. Even dying your hair, makeup and nail polish all contained toxic chemicals which can have serious consequences when used in the long run. I did a lot of research and I’m glad I quit using makeup, hair dyes and nail polish. I only just workout for health, using skincare, be neat and tidy and clean too.
Opinion Owner+1 yNice, I admire you for that.
Asker+1 yI only care about staying as young as possible in a realistic way like 10 to 20 years younger since I knew that being 20 years old forever is not attainable. Being neat clean and tidy, staying healthy are a must to lead a happy lifestyle.
Opinion Owner+1 yThat's awesome.
Asker+1 yAre you affected by men’s beauty standards? Do they make you feel insecure?
Opinion Owner+1 yI don't think so.
Asker+1 yThat’s good stay positive 😊👍
+1 yWhat is your personal definition of "toxic beauty standards"?
Not trying to pick a fight, just have an honest conversation/education.00 Reply1.2K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Honestly this isn't wide spread beauty standards, just the general population. I do like women who are thin but not to the point it becomes unhealthy or needs surgery or something in order to get that type of body. I want natural ya know
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They're jus making Assumptions about men. But what we really need to do is complain about woman's high standards. They only date mister perfect 10/10 but we never complain about that. How dare they determine what our standards should be. It's our own human rights to pick our own standards
wtf people are so sexist
literally stereotyping all men bc some random dudes are stupid
beauty is subjective and in the eye of the beholder whether the beholder is the you or someone else11 ReplyEveryone can have his/her preference or standards. It is ok. Just deal with it. Forcing someone to love/like you is just bad.
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Anonymous(36-45)+1 yNo one cares because dudes need to just fucking get over it and get on with their lives. Incidentally, that advice is pretty good for the ladies too, but for whatever reason it seems to be "problematic" to deliver it to them.
00 ReplyConclusion: people watch too much brainwashing media.
Mens toxic beauty standard is the desire of homosexuals that run our media to turn guys into lady boys.00 Reply- 2K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
+1 yThe hardest one was height. I felt inadequate due to my height (5'7), and it took years of surgery, PT, and tens of thousands of dollars to get to a height I felt was sufficient (about 6'1).
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+1 yBecause society is ass backwards. You can thank the church of feminism here.
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+1 yoh god, you’re all in on this SJW bullshit, aren’t you.
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Anonymous(30-35)+1 yMen’s toxic beauty standards? Gotta love how you women blame everything on men when this is something you do to yourselves.
20 Reply18.6K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. True. I’ve been on photo shoots that airbrush skin and photoshop out cellulite even on models. We need to stop holding this up as standards.
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Anonymous(45 Plus)+1 yWomen 7 million views.
Men 1 million views.
Translation: women are far more shallow.
But we already knew this.10 Reply
+1 yLol you over general pig. Man can same the same about people like you.
00 Reply1.6K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. I think that I look great... I'm alone in that thought... lol
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+1 yNot my fault you're unattractive.
Food for thought, as long as you're at least average you're dateable long as you're not a whore or an idiot.00 Reply
Anonymous(36-45)+1 yall us men care about is boobs and butt beauty standards is a myth
00 ReplyYou like fatman and little boy?
10 Reply751 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Rules for girls:
1. Don't be fat11 Reply4K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. "The squeaky wheel get's the grease."
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+1 yBoo hoo 😿. Want a cookie 🍪?
20 Reply 561 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. I don't know maybe just get more attractive?
00 Replyf*ck off! go wash the dishes!
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