+1 yTo me I don’t like it much but it ain’t my body and I ain’t a woman , and it ain’t my kid , nor is my damn business. It also ain’t no skin of my nose. I’m losing nothing. Accept a twinge of sadness and heartache for those babies.
I’m a libertarian I don’t care what a person does as long as they don’t do it to me , my loved ones or my countrymen. I have fought and waded in the shit , piss , and blood of the enemies of this nation , and watched my brothers backs in war for your right to do so.
I also take care that she won’t get pregnant when I’m dating a woman it’s as much my responsibility as hers.
I have never married as I didn’t want too.
However I was given two sons with two different female friends who are still my friends I love them both dearly for giving the greatest gift a man can have ( children to raise and teach to be good humans ) We had summer flings literally. They both gave me my sons and moved on with their lives and I raised my boys as I wished to do. Both are very glad they did it this way. They both have children , by other men and I’ve helped them with their boys. They both say my boys are outstanding my eldest son is 25 years old and just bought his second home. He’s smart and strong , and takes good care of his wife. He gave me a grandchild to love who had her second birthday today. I anticipate he will be a millionaire by 25 years old. Children are a blessing if you raise them right. If you don’t you end up with a dumbass you brought into the world.
I think men and women should both be careful about babies that are not wanted at the time for whatever reason. If people would grow up , and accept responsibility for their actions there wouldn’t be an issue.
I think women are held less accountable then men if at all. Men are held less accountable in the contraception thing , that’s a fallacy men need to be just as responsible about contraception if they want to have sex.
We all know that none of that pipe dream will ever happen. Many people just ain’t responsible.
So knowing that if the libs and dems and whatever else that is in favor of killing babies go for it I’m not gonna lose sleep over it , and I’m gonna try not to think about it.( I just can’t imagine What kind of mind thinks it’s ok or what kind of doctor could do it ) Who knows maybe if they don’t procreate they will die out and sanity will return to these shores.
I am going to teach mine that it is wrong , irresponsible, and just downright selfish.
I also think there are consequences related to karma who is much wiser then me. I believe We are being of light who incarnate in these physical bodies. I have studied these things most of my adult life. It makes sense to me. There is also evidence supporting these beliefs that are both new and ancient.
If any one wants information on souls and past life regression. The study of near death experiences that many health professionals know about because they have seen it let me know I’ll shoot you some literature links.10 Reply
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Anonymous(30-35)+1 yJFC, get so tired of this.
Listen, thing is BOTH sides of it act stupid af!
On one hand, the "pro choice" people are often just slutty, lazy and stupid, who if they could, would maybe even kill a baby already born just to avoid responsibility. Facts.
On the OTHER hand, the "pro life" people are MUCH lazier, also stupid. They only have one answer EVERY SINGLE TIME and NEVER address anything else that comes with it which as somebody ACTUALLY FROM TEXAS, I'll lay it down FOR REAL:
-Friends who refused to abort constantly bothering me for money because they are broke and worse off financially because of the baby
-Taxes are being raised under our noses, because more broke families means more welfare for dumbass 16 year old parents and such to sit around not working. This includes ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS taking advantage of a "pro life" state to get welfare. Js.
-Sex ed in school helped me, but did NOT prevent a shit ton of teen moms all around. Even a girl I knew who literally was in a CHILD DEVELOPMENT class where literally a project they had was CARING FOR A DOLL THAT CRIED and such ended up pregnant by end of high school. IT. DOESN'T. WORK
-No abortion means ORPHANS. Read up on it! The orphanages are often HORRIBLE and often, they come out as uneducated, cynical, and as future teen moms! THE CYCLE WILL REPEAT!
-AT HOME ABORTIONS ALSO WILL HAPPEN! YOU CAN NOT STOP IT!
So, SOLUTIONS. ACTUAL ONES. Here we go.
1. We DO need to stop being so damn slutty and use protection! No argument there. But that means REAL ACTUAL SEX ED and not just basically bullshit "dont fuck" one liner segments of science class. Trust me, that ONLY generates curiosity which ends up as sluts, DOESN"T WORK!
2. If we are to crack down on abortion, we need to also stop so many orphans into being, stemming from lack of it. Therefore, I am not against a huge fine for people who get pregnant (NOT after having a baby but the MINUTE they are preggo!) without ability to show proof to care for children properly. That means finances straight, proper age, psych, etc.
3. Better ability to sue parents for everything they have, should you have proof you end up in complete misery, especially if you are an orphan resulting of an "accident" at 16 years old. I think that's completely fair, and ensures responsibility.
Three simple steps can make abortion basically unnessacery because ALL of it will make being a preggo 16 year old very very unnattractive and ACTUALLY punishes the ones that are. Having the baby isn't a punishment. A big fine, maybe even jail actually is.
So, can we agree upon the three things? Instead of just MY SIDE IS BETTER BC I SAY SO?22 Reply- +1 y
Avoiding responsibility is a perfectly good reason to kill a fetus. Facts.
Also, no fucking shit holding a doll doesn't prevent a woman from letting a man's business in her business. That's not "sex ed."
"Jesus doesn't like it" is not fucking sex ed. - +1 y
I agree with everything you said until you went off the deep end for fining teenagers for being pregnant. That won't help anything and it's not a real solution. Maybe if you said raise the costs of child care so that only working adults would be unaffected by it, that'd make more sense. It'd also indirectly be fining teen moms while ensuring a higher quality of life for the baby as well. I disagree with you about the ridiculous fines, but still respect your opinion on the matter.
Anonymous(25-29)+1 yI think abortion is really helpful. I don’t know what kind of 2-celled idiot you’d have to be to disagree with abortion.
1. A woman who is raped and cannot / should not have to put up with the mental trauma caused my the incident. Women who are force to keep a child product of rape usually end up mistreating the child.
2. A woman who is not old enough or sane enough, who does not have resources to care for / maintain a child whatsoever.
3. A woman who is drug addicted who could potentially give birth to a mentally I’ll child or otherwise a child with defects.
4. The world is overpopulated with humans. Wether you want to agree or not. It is very obvious and we can see it in the oceans filled with plastic. Abortion can at least help somehow and not add to that.
5. Someone who is not ready to be a mother who doesn’t NOT want to be a mother. Nobody should be obligated to be a mother or parent. Abortion is not the same as killing a live, conscious, thinking being that breaths air and can think!22 Reply- +1 y
Typical liberal defense.
Women's health and every abortion was from a woman being raped. - +1 y
You just have to be the kind of person that thinks you know best for everyone, and that everyone should do what you think is right, rather than making their own decision about it. There's plenty of that sort out there.
I think abortion is okay and that every woman has a right to have one if she pleases. If she is mentally ill and prone to abusing her child, abort it or don't go out having sex at all. If she was raped and doesn't want a rapist's baby, then abort it. If she's an irresponsible teenager/adult with a shitty financial standing having unprotected retard sex, abort it.
Save the actual living, breathing child the stress of being thrown around and shifted onto different people and potentially being molested by mommy's new boyfriends. Whether people wanna realize it or not, this actually helps lessen the world of so many mentally fucked up adults. It's sad that so many people have to grow up as dysfunctional adults because of shitty mothers and fathers.72 Reply- +1 y
I agree with you. Only thing I'd add in is that a father should have a voice in the child's fate as well, since it takes two to make a baby. And if the mother doesn't want the father involved in the decision (abort or no abort), then the father is absolved of all legal responsibilities to that child, as well. That's actual equality.
Here's a secret: Whether they're left-leaning or right-leaning, most human beings are stupid and over-emotional creatures. I say that as neutral and detached of bias as possible. Accepting this fact of life makes human beings easier to deal with.
And yeah, I grew up as one of those dysfunctional adult due to a sh*tty mother who had to seek "love" and acceptance from people through superficial external sources, like height, looks, or athletic ability (which all eventually fade away after high school). - +1 y
@MCheetah It’s good to see someone that isn’t trying to use emotions to make a point. Regardless of which side I’m on, I find it respectable that you are using logic. If only people in politics could go back to doing that, instead of being emotional babies when something doesn’t go their way or someone says something that offends them. The way you said things makes you sound like a person that could debate issues without it becoming a fight.
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I've explained it in detail before, but I'm pro-choice and the reason is simple:
The world is overpopulated, we have enough living people already suffering, being a parent is hard enough even in decent circumstances, not everyone is fit or stable enough to be a parent, and it's better to spare someone a lifetime of mental abuse and suffering than to have them born into it for no valid reason. And no, I don't believe in the idiotic "baby murder" argument; an embryo doesn't even have consciousness.
And those who claim to be pro-life usually never care about that baby once it's born; they just oppose the idea of abortion for arbitrary and foolish reasons (usually, religion). Not to mention what I said before; it's HYPOCRITICAL AS F*CK!!! to engage in loose (recreational) sex and then claim to be "pro-life." Penis, sperm and vagina makes an embryo/fetus/future baby. Condoms are abortion; you're just "aborting" at an earlier stage in the cycle. But like I said, embryos are no more of "babies" than chicken eggs are buffalo wings. It's a stupid argument (UNLESS we're talking 7 or 8 month abortions; but we damn well know no one is talking about that).
Why do both the political left and the political right love having the government control people's bodies so much? ↗11 Reply- +1 y
Also stating this:
I support abortions, but I ALSO think the father should have a voice in the fate of their child, even if it's a minority voice, like 40-60 or 30-70. Women do not reproduce asexually.
If a woman is to have 100% say-so in abortion rights, then men should have 100% say-so in parental rights. A woman should never be allowed to trick a man into pregnancy (lying about being "on the pill") and then f*ck over his paycheck for 18 years, especially if the child isn't even his!
Abortions should be a RARE thing, and women should learn from the experience. If you've had two or more abortions in your lifetime, then I seriously doubt you to be a decent or respectful woman, and I probably wouldn't like you as a person. Still your right to get them, though.
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+1 yI dont support abortion. I personally would not vote for people to have the choice but i also dont care what they choose to do with their body. If its my child, they are birthing the baby and if they dont want to be a mom, i will adopt or take custody until they’re ready to become one. My kids will still complete HS and have the option to go to college regardless of if they have a child young. I will not support them having sex under 18, especially in my household. I will not encourage them nor supply them with condoms bt i will give them the talk. If its my son knocking up some girl, he will stand by her and help raise his child if ahe decides to keep it. But he will not be moving in with her while under 18 and she will not be moving in with us (unless her fam threatens to kick her out)
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+1 yIt's actually a really deep and interesting question of when does life truly begin. Heartbeat thing seems stupid, arbitrary and useless, while libshits screaming 'muh body muh choiz' is retarded since it literally isn't their body, ergo the entire conflict. I don't think that 'murdering' a clump of cells that haven't even formed a brain can qualify as being murder, but 'aborting' a baby potentially hours before birth obviously is. The age of the baby makes a difference as do the the reasons for it (for example, having to save the mother from almost certain death). Safe, legal and rare is a good thing, but people forgot that last part.
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400 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. I am resoundingly pro-choice and will stand by that.
But at the same time, I do think it is a lie to act like there isn't a moral/philosophical debate about it, and people's inability to understand the opposing position doesn't do their own argument any favors.
On a bit of a side note, while most people I know are pro choice, basically everyone I know who is pro-life is a woman. I think it is remarkably disingenous for people to act like pro-life is just a case of a bunch of men trying to control women's bodies. The fact that men are somewhat more pro-life than women are is a relatively recent phenomenon. Historically, women were usually more pro-life than men. In fact, one argument made by pro-lifers in the past was that "it's just a bunch of men trying to eschew responsibility for fatherhood. They would rather take a life than take responsibility."10 Reply
+1 yThat a number of countries have done the right thing, left it to the medical and legal professions to come up with something practical without Religion being involved.
It is then up to the state to put the law in place and enforce it.
Those for it, do some googling on Texas foster care, adoption services, child welfare services, the costs needed per year, the number of complaints, investigations. That was before the ban….
Also, as it’s Gag, those against it, what if your son or daughter at 13 decides they are LBBT?
You still going to love them 100% with zero hate towards LGBT?00 ReplyOh yeah of course I think if a woman was raped she has the right to choose to abandon the baby early before the baby's fully developed but I think that if a woman has unprotected sex or sex for that matter. Whether he's protected or she's protected and you get pregnant I think a woman should have the kid you're the fucking one that wanted to enjoy sex it's not right for a woman to kill a baby or a fetus because she wanted to go out and fuck and then she got pregnant even if she was being safe you're the one that took the fucking risk.
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Anonymous(30-35)+1 yI think there she should be rules and limits because if there are none the question of we create a "perfectionist" culture like the Nazis wanted to have.
How could we get also answer the question of living with people that are disabled in some way by aborting them.
Medicine can alrwaft see how a body might evolve and there are some genetically inherented dysfunctions that can already be seen of a fetus.
If there are no rules that alone could be a reason to abort the future child.
A fetus might not look nice, could be reason for an abortion right?
If you don't want a child as a guy don't have unprotected sex with a woman or be prepared to pay for the consequences.01 Reply- +1 y
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6K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. I think we shouldn't expect anyone to sacrafice their body to save or improve someone else's life. This goes for pregnancy, organ donation, military-like "meat shields," blood donation, etc.. It must always be voluntary or we need to stop calling ourselves civilized.
40 Reply1.1K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. To me it is what it is. Getting rid of abortion rights will cause a massive spike in illegal abortions and all the issues that come with them. You can hope, prey and make something illegal and it never completely stops it from happening. But, politics is all about getting people to come to the conclusion you want them to and fooling them into thinking they came to that conclusion themselves.
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I have to laugh at them. Where are the rights of the children? I can imagine the souls of those children saying, "stop using abortion as your form of birth control ya dumb bitches!"
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Whores, sluts, devils more like. Irresponsible morons. The ones that don;t want to work and get paid by gov't. They are having sex with 5 guys , 2 at once.
Anonymous(45 Plus)+1 yUsually I abstain from the abortion debate. As a Christian I see the sanctity of life. But I also can't stand the thought of a child coming into this world with no one to love it. Let's just say I could stomach abortion if it were used as an absolute last resort. The problem is some women are so Blaise about it that they actually use it as a form of birth control. With power comes responsibility. And unfortunately we live in a society where to many people don't live up to their responsibilities. So while you'll most likely never see me picketing an abortion clinic. I can't support abortion.
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+1 yI think abortion should be completely banned unless men get as much of a say as the women. I don’t believe that the baby growing inside of a woman is a part of said woman. If that were the case than it’s just as much part of the man as it is the women. I think the women who disagree are extremely selfish. The whole abortion issue is the main reason why I’m never having kids. Women are too fucking selfish.
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I don’t think the fact that she carries it in her body makes any difference. It’s still both of their child with dna from both of them. again, to say that just because it’s inside her means the male has nothing to do with it is extremely selfish in my opinion so I will never have anything to do with it because women are fucking selfish
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+1 yI'd say a woman needs to get it in the first few months... after that we'll err on the side that this is a living person with the right not to be killed by their own mother and if the girl waits too long to get it... if she strolls in and wants to kill it at 5 months or 6 months or something like that then she should be told no, it is against the law to kill people.
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+1 yI don't know because it's wrong that you're killing a baby but also if they didn't have enough money to take care of the baby it could have died. I think if you don't want the child then give them to a family member that can take care of them or put them up for adoption. I'm not a huge fan of adoption as someone who is adopted but if that is the only other choice besides having an abortion then don't kill the baby and give it to someone who can take care of them. That's only my opinion though, I respect everyone's opinion.
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+1 yYour killing babies. That’s all it is. We can’t demand a woman carry a baby BUT she had the sex so she commutes to the risk… men can’t decide to abort or not and if she don’t abort he’s on the line for child support for 18 years… this is stupid to me. Stop being a slut women AND men and we don’t need abortion. Use protection. Use multiple protections… and if they all fail accept accountability for once in your lives.
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Yaaaaaaah are you actually from a red state? You heard about all the orphanages filling up? Taxes going up from more on welfare? You think that appears magically? I know plenty of people who refused to abort their kids. They're on welfare. Theyb have little chance of a good future. Same with their kids. Care to put your money where your mouth is? Cause js, MY taxes are raised for that sort of thing. Js. Would rather NOT pay for people who are slutty regardless what they're told.
Also, how do you solve the issue of at home abortions that are 100% inevitable? - +1 y
3 words… let them starve. Those whom do not work do not eat. It’s proven welfare programs create dependency. Don’t do away with them just demand results or else. Not everyone deserves to live. That’s just fact but at least give everyone a chance to live.
Curious question though. Why is it we have to choose between feeding single mothers and not? Why not choose between HAVING single mothers or not? The choice your giving is kill the babies or pay more in taxes but I suggest… oh idk… stop having sex you fucking sluts! I’m not married. I have sex regularly. With the same damn chick. No kids after 11 years of successfully pulling out in time. We don’t even use contraception and I’ve still managed more then these hoes seem to be able to…
My play for resolving pregnancy in 4 easy steps…
Step 1 CONTRACEPTION! Condom male or female, pill, insert, patch, tie them, snip it, morning after pill, ABSTINENCE.
Step 2 Stop enabling stupid women to get pregnant 5 times with 5 men. I support abortion as an option not as a contraception. At some point forced sterilization should be an option… if not just don’t feed them. Welfare cutoff point!
Step 3 Woman up man up and do your fucking job. The first step didn’t work well your SOL. Step up and handle business together!
If you cut down on pregnancy you cut down on abortion. You increase the quality of life for the whole country. You stop killing babies. - +1 y
by the way step 4 is PROFIT…
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@errorgoodnameunfound also since your concerned about taxes. 36% of our taxes go to healthcare alone. The boomer generations passing right now and we’ll see a massive tax usage cut on healthcare after their gone in another 10-20 years.
Btw… diabetes is 16% of the total of all of medical taxes. And there’s a cure for diabetes type 1…
Also on taxes… you realize your cock sucker blueberrys in the whitehouse are doing stupid shit with your taxes that are gonna fall hard into all of our heads right? The biggest difference between the blue and the read is the blue hurts the system to help the people and the red hurts the people to help the system. I can fend for myself as long as we got a system so tell your buddies to stop fuckin it up. - +1 y
Congrats sir, you are one of the first rational people I have met from the pro life side. :D Most just basically say "because I said so." You actually want to solve issues beyond. Problem is, you're not 100% anti abortion. It's very hard to get a big response from them.
That being said, I do have a few critiques. Such as letting them starve. When somebody is straving/desperate, criminals are born. I don't want more criminals around and also, the baby would suffer and I think that is 100% unfair. So my main point of agreeing with you is welfare cutoff if no proof of being used right and more so, stopping people from being so irresponsible before pregnancy happens. My main solution is this.
1. We DO need to stop being so damn slutty and use protection! No argument there. But that means REAL ACTUAL SEX ED and not just basically bullshit "dont fuck" one liner segments of science class. Trust me, that ONLY generates curiosity which ends up as sluts, DOESN"T WORK!
2. If we are to crack down on abortion, we need to also stop so רבים orphans into being, stemming from lack of it. Therefore, I am not against a huge fine for people who get pregnant (NOT after having a baby but the minute they are preggo!) without ability to show proof to care for kids properly. That means finances straight, proper age, psych, etc.
3. Better ability to sue parents for all they have, should you have proof you end up in complete misery, especially if you are an orphan resulting of an "accident" at 16 years old. I think that's completely fair, and further ensures responsibility, but also gives "accidents" rights themselves and ACTUALLY being pro their life. - +1 y
You mean my buddies in Texas in the government... who... are red? Yah. Also, you addressed my tax concerns already. If we make it to where most people aren't slutty, the abortion issue doesn't happen in the first place much anyways. That solves it 65% of the way. The remaining issue is then the current people on welfare who refused to abort. What about their kids and the orphans those kids may become?
I still say people being able to sue their parents is MUCH more important than anyone ever says. Trust me, that threat alone would get people thinking twice and as I said, it'll bring justice to the kids who were not aborted but not cared for properly. - +1 y
I’m against abortion under all but 3 circumstances… forced pregnancy, risk to the woman, and malformation… although Ide rather euthanize a malformed baby over abortion though it’s not much better at least mistakes can’t be made because of a bad scan.
Criminals are born from hardship. What causes less hardship starving women with kids or losing so much god damn money every year feeding them? We could have cured cancer with all that fucking welfare or invested in a system better then our prison systems… perhaps if you don’t enable them to be leeches they might get a fucking job and work hard to raise their little mistakes.
As to the baby suffering… life is suffering so what. Your not meant to be happy all the time. Your meant to SEEK happiness that’s why we bother improving at all!
I had hardly any sex ex… I don’t have kids… the average age of first pregnancy’s in the USA is 26.3 up from 24.9… and that was 7 years ago… at some point we need to assume women know what sex does…
Course for abortion itself. By age 20, 4.6% of women will have had an abortion, and 19% will have done so by age 30. 1/3 of unintended pregnancy’s are by 20-24yr olds… if you know know penis + vagina = baby your too dumb to procreate.
I have no fucking idea what point 3 was but whatever. You can’t sue parents for doing a shitty job anymore then send parents to jail for something the kids did. It’s time to start holding accountability for stupidity… putting up warning signs on shit for stupid reasons is probably what caused this. Let Darwinism take over it works for the rest of the animal kingdom and the internets got a wealth of knowledge and people have plenty of care to give for women… wouldn’t help a single father for shit but these women get it guaranteed. - +1 y
Again, you show no care for the kids at all. How is letting them suffer pro life? Did they choose their mom? Also, why shouldn't we be able to sue our parents, as well as being able to be sued if we have kids? Won't that make people think twice about having kids? Lastly, the sex ed honestly would be more a precaution. It may or may not help, but I assume you know about sex and how it's done somehow. Porn, South Park, etc we guys end up knowing somehow. Gals don't like that shit nearly as often.
Just remember, the more you say you don't care about the kids, the more likely those kids will end up trying to scam you, rob you, kill you, drive recklessly and cause and accident with you, etc. They don't just magically disappear. They grow up. Hardened. But hardened doesn't nessacerily mean they learned from their parents. The gals I was refering to were hardened. One was a orphan and now a broke single lesbian mom. Ya know who she married before? The "hardened" type. Seems those hardened types always end up so intellectual enough to not use protection I guess? - +1 y
Idc… they won’t survive unless their strong. It’s not my job to care about them. Nobody cares about me unless I don’t pay my taxes. Exactly. They survive due to bad choices and people enabling them. Stop trying to fix a problem by treating the symptoms.
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Also fun fact. When I was looking at adoption it wasn’t possible because I’m single… I make double what I need to live a splurged life and I got family to help raise my kid but it’s not an option. Like wtf? Stop abortion. We’ll deal with all the other issues later.
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On your last point, yes you are right that a lot of women single or not get help, but guys often don't. Not true help anyways. But guys are often the ones who cuck for women. The solution in that case which is a HUGE root of the abortion shit and beyond, is not to cuck for women at all. But really, usually the only thing that can get men to not cuck is a heart to heart from other men. We have MGTOW for a reason. Why do you think my own views changed over time? MGTOW helped empower it. I don't know if you remember my opinions before, but two things changed them A LOT. Economics and MGTOW. Why do you think I mentioned taxes? Real men care about money. The cucked don't, as they'll spend any amount to impress a girl. Think about it. It got you and I to agree on some things, so yes, it worked.
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@VanillaSalt lol okay he says it in a nutshell this is the paradox/hypocrisy of the pro-life argument:
Vanillasalt: "Your (sic) killing babies. That's all it is."
Also Vanillasalt: "3 words... let them starve."
So basically, don't kill people, until they after they are born. Then, let them suffer and die of starvation. That's the only logical solution. - +1 y
@zeitgeist057 Well I THOUGHT Vanillasalt had solutions at first. Seems he's more similar to the rest of the "pro lifers" than I thought. I don't know, as he hasn't responded much recently. Cred where cred is due with him going more in depth than most, but still, he couldn't even find a way to find points of agreement.
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Didn’t realize I had to defend my position to you assholes but since we’re here let’s go for it…
@zeitgeist057 there’s a difference between killing someone and leaving them to succeed or fail on their own. People can succeed without being given the best start. Besides this what happens when you legalize murder… yep a lot of people fucking die so let’s outlaw murder. Sure some will still die but not as many as if we just gave them the green flag. Funny enough people avoid consequences fairly well even if they don’t like it… now apply this principle to welfare. If people don’t expect a way to survive off the government they will get off their lazy fat asses and work. It’s funny how easy it is to find a workaround when you don’t have a choice. Making abortions illegal may end up with back alley abortions but it also cuts the total number of abortions.
Now if you two fucks are okay with it ima go to bed. I won’t be responding for a few hours so try and not be stupid during that time. - +1 y
But again... you caused them to exist! You demand that they be born despite it being their PARENT'S fault not their own, and then when they suffer then you leave them to suffer. Why shouln't they rob you so they can survive? Dude, let's be honest... you suffered from shit in the past. That's why you don't care if others suffer. I can tell. Stop acting so tough man, I see right through you. I've seen your kind of personality over and over. You are only seeming stupid, not intimidating. Calm tf down. Hell, is that why "salt" is part of your name? "salty"? :/
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Great explanation, we can no clearly see how it's immoral to have an abortion ("killing someone") and moral to allow the baby to be born, then toss it in a nearby dumpster ("leaving them to succeed or fail on their own"). Good luck, baby! (and you're WELCOME!). That's the hypocrisy outlined by this political cartoon: www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/2mlj8w/prolife/
I did not, nor am I asking you to defend this position, since it would be idiotic to continue to do so, but you're more than welcome to keep at it, it's a free country after all. Which is also why you are free to have your opinion about abortion and practice it accordingly in your own life, yet others are also free to disagree and practice accordingly in their own lives. You don't run them, and they don't run you. - +1 y
@zeitgeist057 here’s the difference… personal responsibility. Make no mistake there’s a massive difference between killing the baby and giving it a 1% chance to survive and grow into an amazing person…
And again. It’s not about fixing the symptom but the problem. Babies dying are a symptom. The real problems is stupid people having kids their unprepared for… it’s like in them post apocalyptic movies where everyone either knows how to fight or is dead… either you’ll be smart and not hav children while single or… you’ll starve. Or throw your baby in the trash then we’ll find you and kill you as well… again for the very last time. It’s about making the consequences for having a child when you can’t afford them as unavoidable and difficult as possible so people actively avoid the possibility. - +1 y
If it slows abortion even 50% it’s completely worth the thousands that will suffer until people catch on and make better choices. Otherwise just keep it up societies going in the right direction right now isn’t it. Fucking retards.
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It's actually much more like THIS movie, where anyone intelligent doesn't have babies at all (like you and me) and the idiots who can't figure out or bother to figure out how to pull out keep having swarms of kids until the world is covered in in selfish idiots:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP2tUW0HDHA
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"It’s about making the consequences for having a child when you can’t afford them as unavoidable and difficult as possible so people actively avoid the possibility."
Dude, I don't think either of us are against that though. Seems we just disagree on how to get to it. Same goal, different strategies. I don't known why you seem to feel so threatened. Maybe this is part of why you're single, no offense? Easy to anger?
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Easy to anger? I’ve been allowing you two to have a good at me for the last 20 messages. I think my anger will placed considering the insults… but I’m done arguing with you.
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That's what I'm talking about... if I remember correctly, you started with insults first. I may have been blunt, but I saw points of agreeing, so I insults didn't seem like the greatest idea. You're making yourself look weak running away just because you disagree with people online. You're acting like a victim and still have yet to acknowledge our points of agreeing. Also, you already said you were done long ago. Make up your mind. If you wanna block, go ahead. Will still make you look offended/weak. Truth, not insult.
817 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. A woman's body is her own. She doesn't belong to anyone. What happens inside her body is her decision. It's the same with the Covid vaccine. I don't care if you don't get it, just stay the fuck away from me and my family.
If you get pregnant, and either didn't wish to be or for some reason, you can't raise a child, then get the abortion done early. No one wants a viable fetus to be aborted.11 Reply- +1 y
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Abortion is murder of the most terrible type.
For that reason, I oppose abortion unless there is a damned compelling medical reason (gross deformity, etc).
The only upside of the current situation is that it is overwhelmingly Democrats who are murdering their own babies.10 Reply1.2K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. I don't know. On one hand i can understand why women want them and if they don't get them legally. Their gonna do it anyway, I do support abortion to a extent. I support it in rape, incest and clearly if that child/mother is endanger. On the other hand I understand men's point of view as well because that child is 50% theirs as well. Which is why I want women to say their opinion on this before they get into a relationship. It solves problems even before they start
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341 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. It’s a woman’s right to decide if she wants to allow a fetus to use her body as a host. If not, she has every right to get rid of it.
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And the one who gave you this fetus should have every right to get rid of you too!
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Can you see what your saying? Parasitic! A baby is a gift from god and what can be more precious than being pregnant and having a baby?
You shouldn't have sex before marriage so you don't have an excuse to abort the baby but i know that many do not want to get married or doesn't even believe in a marriage because they are atheists but still want to have sex...
If you want to have sex before marriage or because you don't believe in marriage than use all kinds of protection so you don't become pregnant because you know the consequences of sex without protection which is an unwanted pregnancy...
Your killing a life that's what abortion is, also you know that this fetus didn't came by itself to you so you have the fulk decision to abort it or not, someone gave it to you and at least you can hear his opinion before making any decision...
Let's consider that you and someone opened a business together, can you make decisions only by yourself or you always need your business partner to accept and sign with you?
It's true that it's tour body but what's inside you ain't totally yours, if you don't to be pregnant than simply do not have sex with men or do not let him penetrate you or let him use protection and you also use protection... - +1 y
And thank you for demonstrating that you do not understand what abortion is :)
To make this simple for you, since you seem to struggle with larger concepts:
Abortion is not the termination of a fetus, it is the termination of a pregnancy. Early term abortions tend to result in a fetus dying simply because we do not have the means necessary to keep a fetus alive outside of the womb, unless you want to put every aborted fetus in a willing surrogate. Late term abortions, often known as C-Sections, result in the fetus/baby surviving, and getting adopted or fostered out.
If it bothers you that much, that you are willing to force a woman to carry a fetus, which by definition is parasitic and cannot survive without a host, then find a way to either keep them alive, or move on.
Is it right, if I am dying, for me to tie you down and take your blood to ensure I survive, regardless of what you want? No, it’s not, so why does this fetus get to force a woman to stay pregnant? Why do you have the power to force a woman to use her body to host a fetus, against her will? - +1 y
@SamA_nold all your comments shows that you didn't understand my comment or your just not smart enough to get the point..
Your feminist brain wants to just attack me because you were taught that you can do anything and say anything and no one is allowed to have a different opinion and everyone who is different is wrong and must be attacked and this shows how shallow you are and my conversation with you is just a waste of time...
Keep reading my answer many times and maybe you will get the point! MAYBE! Which i doubt 😄
You can brag as much as you want but i was clear in my answer and that's what i would do!
Whether you like it or not, i exists just like you and this means that your statement and beliefs are only yours just like mine is only mine and you ain't living in this world alone...
Have a nice day 😏 - +1 y
1) I’m not a feminist, so thank you for making an assumption, but you know what they say…
2) I support free speech for all, but I will point out when you are being ignorant and uninformed.
3) If you don’t have a good response, that’s fine, just admit it and move on, you don’t have to resort to 1st grade insults :)
4) I wasn’t bragging, I was highlighting how damaging and uniformed your view is.
5) Yes, you do exist. Good job buddy! As you said, we don’t live in this world alone, so you don’t get to force people to carry parasitic feti just because you think it’s wrong to abort :)
Have a nice day :) - +1 y
@SamA_nold your the type who likes to harrass so don't think that you can drag me to your level cause i'm smarter than that 😏
Point and say anything you want, in the end they will be only yours and won't change nothing and don't think that your words effects me at all...
I say what i want, reply of had to and respect who respects me and move on...
People like you are on my ignore list because they proved me that they should be ignored, so have fun now...
IGNORED! I hope you understand what ignore means, now you can comment and reply on yourself 😄 - +1 y
@UCrayCray miss craycray sorry i forgot to reply on you, well ofc he doesn't have the right to get rid of her just like she doesn't have the right to get red of his baby...
I was saying that if she have the right to kill than i have the right to kill too, even though i won't be killing anyone because the woman that i'll choose someday and marry will have the same views as mine...
My future wife will be aware that i'm pro life and what her pregnancy means to me, doing something bad such as killing an innocent growing baby which is a gift from god will make me a monster and she will suffer and wishes if she had kept the baby, that's all i can tell you, you imagine the rest 😌 - +1 y
@Agape93 no problrem, thanks for the wish!
You too have a good life... - +1 y
@TonyMetal___86
Why do you completely ignore the fact that the fetus sustains itself by living off the body of the women? It takes her vitamins and nutrients, and can cause permanent damage to her body as a result.
You should absolutely find a woman who shares your morals. It would be stupid to do otherwise.
But to suggest that he should somehow have a right to kill her because she terminated her pregnancy just shows how little respect you have for women and what they contribute to the reproduction of our species.
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@UCrayCray if you knew me well, you would have said the completely opposite things than the words you mentioned about me...
Who told you that i don't know that a woman's body needs vitamins and nutrions when she's pregnant, who told you that i'm not going to provide my future housewife with all the necessary nutrions and vitamins that her body needs while she's pregnant?
Of you consider that pregnancy changes the woman's body and make it look bad which might be true after many pregnancies than don't have sex and don't get pregnant, as simple as that or you can always use all sorts of protection so you don't get pregnant...
In the worst scenarios, let's consider that you got pregnant from a guy whom you ain't married to cause your single or from a boyfriend and you got pregnant and the laws allowed you to have a an abortion, don't you think that he deserves to make the decision with you since both of you have created this pregnancy or at least to listen to his opinion and take it into consideration?
Now about finding a girl like me, well we all are searching for someone like us, if your searching for a guy don't you want him to have many things in common with you cause that's how a relstionship becomes successful 😌
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@TonyMetal___86
I don’t know. The words you used are the only thing I have to go by. And your words say you have little respect for what women go though.
Who said anything about you providing vitamins for your wife? I would hope that the woman you marry would be smart enough to get her own vitamins. But that’s not the point. The toll a pregnancy can take on a women’s body goes beyond what it looks like after birth. Can’t say I’m surprised that you assume a woman’s concerns are so superficial. Birth control should always be used if tying to prevent pregnancy, but they are not 100% effective. You do know that, right?
I personally would consider the mans opinion, but then I have been in a committed relationship for close to 10 years, so I have never been into casual sex.
Given that little piece of information, I think I’ll pass on your relationship advice, thanks. - +1 y
@UCrayCray well you can think about me the way you want but this ain't going to change the facts, i know who i am and you know who you are...
I also don't expect everyone who talks to me to agree with me and that's perfectly normal because we are all born different, you can have your own beliefs and views and i can have mine...
Why would my future wife must considers getting her own vitamins, what's the problem of i buy them for her, she will be a housewife and i'll be responsible of her and buying her needs and necessaties, do you have a problem with that too? 😄 - +1 y
Also i forgot to tell you that i admire that your not into casual sex because this shows that you value yourself and a woman should only have sex after marriage and only with her husband...
Only cheap girls will make sex here and there or having one nights stands... - +1 y
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@Deserter don’t attack her opinion
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Oh my you dudes are silly , why are you arguing with these women. They are having fun with you two. The one woman uses the word parasite to trigger you. It worked. Then denies it to trigger you further. I can almost hear her giggling. These are very quick witted women , you won’t win an argument with these types. Judging by the inept and weak argument you’ve put up for all to see you wouldn’t win an argument with any woman. They are enjoying making you look stupid for their little audience. Men don’t argue with women I don’t. I tell them what I think and go. They can take it or leave it. Simple stuff fellas.
It’s their body I happen to know there’s a price these women pay that’s pretty bad already for having an abortion in the first place. Many of them regret it and the guilt eats their soul. So If they want to kill their progeny that’s their right. It’s their body after all you and I do not have dominion over another’s body. I don’t agree but I’ve fought bled and spilled blood for their right to do so. It’s their body not mine. Their fetus is not mine. This equals no skin off my ass or yours. Just a minor twinge at the thought of a babies death that hurts the heart but I must put it from my mind. It doesn’t serve me. - +1 y
@Deserter funny you whining pissant didn’t you see where I said I don’t argue with women you act like a low quality female Can’t take it when your told the truth. Start calling names and making assumptions. Hit me up in the dms I’ll give you my address and you can come see what I am. I bet you don’t walk away with your mouth intact. I don’t think those women are smarter then you I know it. They tore your weak ass and weak rhetoric up. Also I don’t agree with them. Please do continue to show how stupid you are it’s funny to me. Also we both know how you’d behave in you was in my physical presence. I suggest you go to bed get your teddy bear and poke your thumb in your mouth crybaby. I know your weak ass will respond trying to entangle me in an argument as you did these women rest assured you will just stew I won’t bother to answer you girl. Also I don’t like your screen name says a lot to me. I wouldn’t have anything to do with a deserter that’s synonymous with coward.
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I'm not the dumbass writing paragraphs and simping for women half my age on the internet. Tore me up how? They had no argument.
Lmao you're not worth the trip and money old man. I'm in my 20s and know how to box, you're a deteriorating boomer. Sit down and shut up, we both know I'd break your jaw 😂 - +1 y
@SamA_nold 🤣🤣🤣 I got a good laugh. We are all entitled to our opinions.
+1 ythey wanna take away all our freedom rights, remember the caveman days when we could do what we want, no laws, and no judgmental stupid society to tell us we can do something, now they wanna take away the simple freedom of being able to abort too... they dont want us to have any rights
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@Gal67 It was jus a point not saying caveman are better but I guess you wasn't intelligent enough to see my point. I was saying we are free animals that evolved from apes. Having all these basic natural freedoms taken away is fuckin stupid
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If a law is valid and reasonable like no murder no theft. These laws are sensible n I have no problem with. But all these unnecessary restrictions. Like for example it's illegal to not wear a seat belt. Wtf. You're only killing yourself if you don't in a car crash. It's stupid to remove these freedoms. People should have a choice if it hurts no one
+1 yAbortion should be illegal unless there was some harsh medical issue or a severe case where abortion should be done...
In a country where abortion is legal, if the woman is married she must not have the right to have an abortion unless her husband accepts that she undergoes this procedure...10 Reply335 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. It is highly necessary for bettering lives. Especially when countries still do not provide women/families access to free contraception methods.
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11.9K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. They should be unrestricted. It's a human right to control one's body and Healthcare.
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+1 yI fully support it. It isn't my body. I am not the one carrying it for nine months, I am not the one jeopardizing their health and future. It would be wrong of me to interfere with that. Coupled with the fact that I know a few people who have had them for various reasons, and seeing that doing so helped them keep their lives on track, I will always support their rights.
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+1 yI believe that’s a very complicated situation, as a man. I don’t like the thought of abortion, and would take responsibility if I got someone pregnant, but also know I’m not in a place to make the decision as I’m not the one to carry the baby
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+1 yIt is murder of a innocent baby.
1) Nothing to do with women's health
2) It is women using murder as a method of birth control
3) It is women not being responsible for their actions
if you can't afford a baby or are to stupid to care for a baby then keep your panties on and your legs closed for business.011 Reply- +1 y
Well it does have EVERYTHING to do with a woman’s health because when you carry a baby, your body does some weird ass changes! Guess you would never get the chance to know tho.
If a woman has to get an abortion cuz the baby is gonna die either way, it should happen and you shouldn’t take that away from her. It’s also not even a baby yet in the early months of pregnancy. It can’t think and it doesn’t even really have a heart yet. You obviously never developed either of those either. - +1 y
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Anonymous(30-35)+1 yI believe in choice, for both women AND men. I believe a woman should have the choice to end a pregnancy if she is not ready to be a parent. And I believe a man should be able to have the same choice to not be a parent if he disagrees with the mother's choice to not abort.
10 ReplyI believe that abortion should be allowed and legal, but up to a certain point when the nervous system develops fully, and the fetus can feel pain. Conversely, I believe in financial abortion when done by men.
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+1 yAbortion is murder you’re literally preventing someone from living Nobody has the right to murder and what really pisses me off is when people say what if a woman was raped doesn’t it make more sense to kill the rapist and not the only innocent person in the whole equation none of us asked to be here nobody deserves to die for existing
00 Reply3.7K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Absolutely not I think it’s for us to be murder and I think that first-degree murderer should be going to the prison regardless of their the doctor or the woman
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Womans Right to choose.. not a REPUBLICAN SENATOR OR FALSELY ELECTED REPRESENTATIVE.
And downrate and unfriend AND BLOCK ME21 Reply- +1 y
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+1 yDo I think abortion should be legal, YES. Do I understand why some people are against abortions, YES... why? Both sides are arguing two completely different issues which is why this topic will never go away.
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+1 yAbortion is healthcare. Everyone has a right to healthcare
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Bull crap
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@888theGreat it's a medical procedure therefore it is healthcare. Get your head out of your ass.
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get yours out of yours
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@888theGreat wow best response I've ever seen. Bravo, you really did something there.
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You are in New Zealand , no one gives a crap what you think
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@888theGreat lol I beg to differ
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this 888 guy is a huge tool. be ready for more dumb takes from him
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@Still-alive He is lol
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You will be having a Chinese baby soon anyway when China takes your country over. What is New Zealand's Navy? couple of canoes?
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@Still-alive the private profile screams troll.
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yeah im sure it does... but i think he truly believes in this shit lol.
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Still alive is blocked already , so who cares what he says
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@Still-alive it's unfortunate the shit people get brainwashed with.
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yeah he's either blocked me or i blocked him ages ago now. so i can't see them. but he seems to ALWAYS have to say something when it comes to abortion
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Interesting since he would never have to experience it
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@NYlatefun haha yeah all I see is "real by a user... blocked... etc..." and I'm happy I don't have to see whatever drivel was posted. lol
1.2K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. I understand the difficult position many women are in when they are considering an abortion. But I don't think that difficult position warrants the killing of a child. So I am against it
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12.2K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. It's much of a muchness and people make far too much out of it.
The people who need to be killed are already born.10 Reply6.5K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Outlawing abortion leads to a horror show. It’s absurd to enslave a pregnant woman in service to an unconscious bit of protoplasm.
10 Reply27.2K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Women should be able to choose but there needs to be a consensus as to how late in the term it should be allowed. Neither the Pope or Joe Biden should be making this decision.
00 ReplyI don't support abortion, you shouldn't have sex without protection if you don't want a baby, it's your fault,
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Is it a women’s fault if she gets raped?
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@SmokinAces2000 nope
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Do you believe it’s a baby at 1 month?
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@SmokinAces2000 yess
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devoygf ok
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Protection doesn’t always stop a pregnancy just my two cent
1.2K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. It’s unfair to the baby, who should have rights also.
11 Reply8.2K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. I think abortion is morally wrong but looking for solutions from the top down will only make things worse, top down always makes everything worse. This change needs to come from within our culture which is far harder.
00 Reply686 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. You want abortions? Fine. But again and I've said this for the millionth time now, men shouldn't have to pay child suppport if she chooses to keep the baby. A man should have the right to opt out of fatherhood. That's true equality right there
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+1 yIt's only "her choice" to keep it if it's also "his choice" to walk away.
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Okay what?
Triggered?
I think that it's an extremely complex issue and each and every case is different, not blanket solution plausible.
10 Reply1.7K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. I think some day abortion would be abolished. Demographic crisis is coming and legal abortion only fuels it.
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361 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. It is a woman's body, her choice. I can only imagine how difficult soul-wrenching that decision is for the woman. Last thing she needs is for someone to be cruel and judgmental to her.
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Anonymous(25-29)+1 yWe women should decide the abortion decision. I really think that about abortion. But I see this question at least a thousand times. Let this abortion issue be clarified now. God please. Amen.
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+1 yAbortion should be banned by flogging and public execution for the doctors and medical staff involved, then flogging for the woman who got the abortion.
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+1 yI think old men who pretend they are righteous, should stay out of women's vaginas.
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You should find God before it is too late
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@888theGreat God's not lost, and thank you for proving my point about old men who pretend they are righteous. Need I point out, your biggest hero, yeah - the one that you worship, does not yet understand the words "thou shalt not bear false witness". So take your hypocrisy and shove it, and keep out of a woman's vagina.
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I can only hope you stay out of vaginas , the country would not survive with your kids
+1 yI'm pro-choice because what a woman does with her body is none of my business.
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And that walnut sized thingy in your head is not a brain.
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@Daniela1982 You shouldn't have skipped your biology class.
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@postaldudePL123 You have been licking too many stamps laced with LSD ho ho ho
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The part you left out about some humans not being intelligent. Your mother seemed to think you were something as your dumb ass didn't get aborted.
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I did say something constructive. I don't believe in abortion except under certain circumstances. We just don't agree.
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Yes, wasn't paying attention to the OP's update. Sorry about that. That's what happens in heated arguments which is why I try to avoid certain subjects because I can't shut up when you get me going. :(
+1 yI think abortion should only be used on special needs kids. Other than that I don't think it's right to aborting a healthy baby.
00 Reply1.6K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. It's a medical procedure that should be available to any woman who desires the procedure.
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+1 yWhat protections would a husband have if already married to someone that promised him children yet changed her mind?
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+1 yShould be abolished and it will eventually in the U. S.
20 Reply I would never get one because of my personal feelings but don't support the right being taken away.
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That's the essential part of "choice"'. That your choice is your choice and another person's choice is their own. This is what many people can't seem to grasp.
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+1 yI think women should have a choice on if they want to carry something in their body for 9 months and then risk their life when the baby comes
00 Reply The same that I think about the "right" to murder, steal and vandalise; they're not "rights" at all.
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+1 yHow can a person have a right to kill another person?
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do u know the difference between abort and delete? delete (or kill) means to get rid of an existing thing,
abort means to cancel future plans or stop something from coming into existance, think of "abort" on computers meaning, same thing, it jus means to stop it happening... so how can u kill something that never came into existence?
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u know, if i jerk of into tissue, thats technically a very early abortion since i stop millions of sperm coming into existence, so according to you im a mass murderer cos i jerk off?
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@Djmbbasgerd My IQ is 183, and I have four masters. Since the baby is already in existence, you obviously have difficulty with your terms.
This is a human life, it was human at the instance of conception, when the Chromosomes from the mother united with the chromosomes of the father creating a new and unique human being. - +1 y
@Djmbbasgerd okay for the definition
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@fireforeffect
"My IQ is 183, and I have four masters."
Yet you can't distinguish the difference between an embryo and a living human being with consciousness? Is a chicken egg the same thing as fried chicken wings? According to you, yes.
I know, I know... I'm ruining the troll bait, here.
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@MCheetah My life does not revolve around your beliefs.
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@fireforeffect
Good. Now apply that sae belief to everyone else in the world, including pro-choice mothers. - +1 y
@MCheetah No one should have the right to kill another Human Being. How can you not understand that fact? Who has the right to kill you?
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I know you didn't directly state that "abortion is killing another human being," but I'm going to assume this is what you were implying or else your statement would be irrelevant to the topic at hand.
If it is what you believe, then I can assure you that abortion isn't "killing" another human being. It's not even a "human being" yet. How can you not understand that an embryo or a fetus isn't "a human being" anymore than a chicken egg isn't fried chicken wings? Especially for a supposed 183 IQ super-genius as yourself? Even a literally 6 year old child can understand what I just said.
Think of it this way: You can order a pizza over the phone. If you get that pizza, then decide to throw it away in the trash, that is a waste of a perfectly good pizza. But if you call the restaurant literally just two minutes after placing the order, and tell them you want to cancel the order and don't want pizza after all, is it the still the same thing as chucking a perfectly edible pizza in the trash? A pizza that they barely had time to begin putting the sauce on the dough? Is pizza sauce on dough even "a pizza" yet?
According to what I assume your argument is, these are the same exact acts. When any logical person could tell you, they are not.
And even IF we went by the "abortion is murder" logic, then we'd be killing hundreds of thousands of "human beings" everytime we jizzed. Or had sex with a condom on. Or a woman used the morning after pill. If semen leaves the penis and at least one of them doesn't turn into a birthed baby in 9 months time, then that is ALSO "killing another person" (assuming this IS your logic).
And if you do have the logic that "abortion is murder," then you'd at least stick to that same consistent principles and admit recreational sex is even more murderous. Otherwise, you have no argument; just emotional pleas. - +1 y
@MCheetah You are very ignorant of the science in this matter. Abortion is the deliberate killing of another human being. This is human life from the very moment of conception. Cell division proves that this is life. The fact that each cell contains human DNA proves that this is human life. The additional fact that this DNA is as different from the Mother as is your DNA different form your mother.
This is life. This Human Life, and no one has the right to kill another human life. - +1 y
@fireforeffect
"you have no argument; just emotional pleas." - +1 y
@MCheetah If you believe that then you are a science denier. You close your eyes to the science and pretend it does not exist. Do you believe that the earth is flat as well?
In my opinion abortion should be legal and accessible to all
00 Reply364 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. I disagree with abortion. I think it should be illegal.
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